 So we're going to get started. Can folks online hear me okay? Somebody would. Heather, can you hear me? Yep. Yep, I can hear you fine. Yeah. It's just, it's just a volume. I might even be just, I'm going to just go ahead and first through them. Let's get started. So thanks everyone for being here. I'm going to go through some slides and then we can kind of talk about what we've gone through, but just sort of a higher review. What's in the capital plan. What we're planning for future state. And so without further ado, we'll get started. That was John. Oh, okay. Great. It was me. I got it. I didn't get it off. I think it's working. Yes, that's great. Let's see if I can get to the next slide here. Okay. So this is an overview of our plan. If folks can see this, I'm actually going to. Well, this is up just dim the lights here. It'll be useful. So as you can see in FY 24, we're level fun with FY 23 for investments in capital. And that's, you know, namely due to some pressure on the budget, we're not able to get up to the 2.4 in 24 that we were aiming for. However, we were able to hold the line. And so what you can see here is what we've gotten debt service. So we've had some debt come online from work that we put on the table last year. Then we've got our annual capital, which is projects. So that's about 640,000 dollars. And then the equipment is 363,500. We can give you and we'll in a future slide the breakdown of what each of these annual capital and equipment items are. And then as you move on through future years, we've built out the capital plan to get up to the 2.4, which was a previous target study state. And then from there we're looking to grow the plan by inflation. You'll notice that it's 4% here on the chart towards the bottom of the chart. And what that is is it's blended looking back at 2019 when we were last at steady state and then bonding it with the future years come up with an average inflation rate. Because we do think that it's likely that CPI will start to come down, which we're already starting to see. So we've grown each year by 4%. So our goal is to get up to 2.4 in 2025 and then move on accordingly throughout future years. Another thing to note is in 25, there is additional debt service for a fire ladder truck. That's 1.2 million dollars. So it's a pretty big investment and that would be over 20 years. The age of the ladder truck is at the point now where they likely would get some grant funding for it. So we've been waiting for that to turn over. So then this next slide is representative of really where we've come from in 23. We had some really huge investments in capital last year. So you can see at the top there about 30 million dollars, which is really unparalleled. And so just the breakdown for those items. We've got some large projects that we went out to bond with. The biggest item there is phase two of the wastewater treatment facility. But then we had another large project plan for East state street. Both of those projects haven't started yet. So those will come online pretty soon in 24 and 25. And then we've also got some major investments that we're still working on getting underway, such as the. Main and very street intersection and the street lighting. And then in addition to this, we also have some ARPA funding that's identified here where we restored delayed projects. And then we've got the CIP projects from last year equipment from last year and then the reserve that we used. We ended up with a little bit of money left on the bottom line just based on some of the projects that didn't go forward. And so we opted to use that. So there is still money out there within capital that will be infused in the community that we haven't seen yet. And so part of our recommendation in this, this construct is that we kind of need to hold the line, do what we said we were going to do and then take it from there. Because the investments that we've made in 23 are huge. And we want to kind of see those come to pass. And, you know, even if we were to take on more. Money for capital. You know, it comes down to really being able to focus on the projects that we have on the table. We also want to be able to leverage federal funding, which we are working on doing as well. So then this just breaks down where that 435, the reserve is set to go. Some of this has already been purchased and accounted for. We are still seeing delays in equipment. So some of these items have been put out to bid and selected, but not delivered yet. And then also this is an investment in the payment condition that we are working on. So we are making some improvements there. And then the dam study, which we have not yet commissioned. And then just looking at the community based projects, which are now on tap. And you'll see tonight. And part of the budget presentation is sort of a breakdown of the ARPA dollars where we're at year to date on spend and what's been allocated. But just going down through this list. This is the second. And then we've got some investments in infrastructure, EV charging station. And then we've also invested in barrier recovery residents for moms and kids, which we've already put out the door. Once we get these funds in. So now we're moving on into what we've got. So we've got a lot of funding that we've received this past year in September. So we, and this is the plan for it. So we've got community outreach housing services for vulnerable populations, maybe a public restroom. Get to be determined. And then we'll move on to what we've got on the table. And I apologize. It's a little bit small. That's the way the tables. I need to make them bigger. So next time for sure. So just looking at this list, you can kind of see. What was requested for projects and what we actually have in the plan. This number that we have in the plan right now, the $640,000 or so for projects is way skinnier than the 1.8 million that was requested. But we are still in a constrained environment. We don't necessarily have. More federal funding yet. To use and. We're also just trying to stay within alignment with what we do have resources for. So just going down the line. To be at steady state. Paving. And I should also mention that as part of the packet that was sent out, there are detailed plans that public works put together. So if you have any questions related to those plans. We've got the folks here to answer those questions specifically, but for the purposes of this list, looking at the 875 there, that would be for steady state. And what is in the budget right now is. 185. And that would be really to protect what we have. Doing fog sealing and the like. There's a pretty sizable investment and brought road in the bridge. So there's $200,000 here. We did get some grant money. $175,000. And then we get sort of the total project costs there of. 507 and Zach, is that the total costs so far? Is there any. No, it's additional 200. We did something like 675. We just found 700,000. So it's 332 out of our plus the. The grant that we received with 175. It's brought us up to a total of 507. And then with inflation and all the prices that have increased, we've got a new estimate and brought us up to 670. So we round that up to, you know, an additional $20 to $30,000. To cover any other. So we had more of a $700,000. Which is why. We have the 200,000. Just to make sure that that taught them. Thanks. Did you just like explain the. What's the rationale there? Yeah, so the rationale, like when we go down to the very bottom of. We have this much money and this much money to work with. We took the things that we were kind of already on the hook for. And unfortunately back. The other. Right. So. We knew we had to completely grow up this year. So that was one of the first ones that was selected. So we put that. We put that money first and then the next one that we had was the 80,000 that you'll see in the sidewalks, which the state dating contract was coming to for the two. They're cleaning up the wind side. And over the capital via. And as part of that, we'll be on the hook for $80,000 worth of. This opinion talk to the city. So that's the next one that was selected. And then there's the transportation stuff. But we're working on a couple of design. So unfortunately, I mean, we would love to be at that 875 member, but the reality is when. We kind of went with what we're already on hook for, what we're obligated. And then. So. So that's an important consideration. So the East state street. Probably won't get paid next year, but they'll see that will be yet. And that will ultimately result in that being paid from. And the other thing that people will see. Is even the states doing it is the memorial drive route to from, you know, the whole life from deer cream to the race out. So that's going to be a huge. Having improvement center of town. Along with the state street and then some of the smaller streets. And we still have some projects. We didn't get to. Right. So like our whole main corridor is going to be jam packed as it is with the bathing project, the sewer project, like the new states for the construction project. So there was any year to be like, okay, then. It's. Because we're going to be paid at five miles of the class one roadway. So what we can see is there's something to see a lot of road work being done. And then the other road work. It's like, how do you manage traffic? How do you navigate the city? When you have so much. Right. It's. It's to be. Much. And, you know, if we had been able to, I mean, some of this has to do with what we've talked about at the beginning, the main part of this is. This is based on the funding. We're saying, yeah, but if you are ready to do that, I think we're going to be able to do that. So that's the main part of this is. This is based on the funding. We're saying, yeah, but if you want to recommend that this amount goes up. Obviously then that affects the overall bunch. So that this is kind of the preview of that. I mean, I think any new money that we had from any source, we're going to be if it was appropriate, especially the annual money, it's not really bonding for bathing doesn't make a lot of sense. But. Yeah, that's fine. And is there. Are there. It's like two. Yeah. I mean, it feels like. Based on everything you're describing, we're going to be pretty. It's going to be a lot of work. Yeah. It's going to be. I mean. Yeah. Right. It's, you know, I mean, it's usually done by a contractor, but it still requires the supervision and all that kind of thing. You know, I mean, we do always wish we could do more. I think. It's, it's, you know, our rationale for this is. You know, we haven't, we did a huge amount of paving this year. And we will be seen to. You know, the state street be under, you know, state street. Those will be getting paved afterward. So people will see work and they will see progress. They'll do more. We'll talk about this a little bit more tonight, but. You know, if we were to go ahead with. If we did, if you choose to go ahead with the sales tax proposition. And if it passes and the state signs it. We would probably get about a half a year's revenue and current. It's in this next fiscal year. That's what we want that last time, which, you know, we can't budget for any of it. Because we don't know we're going to get it. But if it did, then that would be a pretty sizable windfall that we can also then put towards additional paving project and also put some just to our replenish our fund balance. So that, you know, we have some places potentially we could go to, but. With the, with where we're at now. That's. You know, that bridge project is a bust. And yet it only serves two or three houses, right? But. You can't get fire truck across and get a lot. You know, there. We have to do it, but it's. So. As I mentioned, the transportation pieces here related to. The infrastructure, the dog or scoping city for 12,000 and then the 41,000 for the very street recreation path. And then the sidewalks on route two. And then you can see we get on to, you know, areas within the budget that. You know, typically have been in the capital plan, but aren't in this version. Because we cut them to be able to get to target. So we've got, you know, we usually invested in downtown. And we've also got, you know, some sort of. Benches or some sort of project related to your live. Project management is usually a thing within. CIP, that then we would, you know, pull in house. Cemetery. There's some slope drainage work that needs to be done. That would just need to be either done or observed. Some other way, or, you know, within housework. IT infrastructure, you know, down slightly from. so about $50,000, but those are security enhancements and also some of our software packages that we run. And then for buildings and rounds, there is $100,000 in here for ADA and mostly that's here for the elevator replacement in City Hall. So that's the second installment of that. And so hopefully that'll help be able to get that work done in 24. We've got so many that was set aside in 23. And then the $40,000 on the bottom line here is for level two or three chargers for power upgrades for NAN-0, probably in or around the downtown area, I wanna say corridor and area at the same time. So that's what is on the list for this $640,000 or so. So the next slide is gonna be equipment. And so if there are any other questions at this point, I'll keep going. So then this is what we have on tap for our equipment purchases. The total amount slide into here is 363.5. For fire, we've got some air bottles that we'll be replacing. Last year, we had restored some of this with ARPA funding, but in order to meet the baseline, we need to have it in parks, annual funding. You can see that usually for equipment, purchases and investments, it's at $25,000, so it's knocked down to 15. They usually have an annual tree equipment budget of 10,000 and that's just zeroed out here, but still needed. And then moving on down the line, public works, you can see on the sheet, the items that they have identified for replacement and actually wanted to go there, we can go through the list of equipment. And then the last thing on this list is the $52,000 or so for, for police for their fleet. And this is sort of down from what they really would need for a hybrid option, which would be about 75. And then further down on this list, there are some investments in recreation at the pool, repaving and resurfacing the pool and the tennis courts, it's just not in here. And then also potentially putting disc golf up at the country club road site, which would be a nice amenity to have for sure. So those are items that were put forward that we didn't put in this version. Then another need that will come up even in future years. And maybe something that we consider longer term is a bucket truck for parks and for public works. And with all the tree work that's needed, something that we've had in the past that we no longer have access to because it's not no longer able to be fixed. So I'll give it a minute here and hopefully that comes back, maybe. There we go. And while that's happening, the items that were in the public works plan, there's a couple of trucks and a wing truck that were noted as part of that 2765 or 24. And so this is a summary of things, high level items that are not funded in this plan in 24. So one of the items that came forward and has come forward for the last couple of years is the gas pumps at public works. They're in pretty rough shape and need to be replaced. Cummings Street is bumped into 2025, but it was not in 24 like it had originally been. The snow blower, it's been deferred from 24 to 25 dump truck deferred to 25. So as you can see, there's been some shifts to spread things out over the plan. But I should have noted at the beginning with that first sheet is last year, we didn't build out a trend or a plan beyond 23. Because that was the end of the plan and we decided not to do that because I just have volatile things for. And so we've done that now. So you're seeing some of that spread happen, but then we also, you know, there's a real need for equipment and capital projects. So you're also kind of seeing that here. So the next thing like you drive is deferred, but a year has not been identified. Gaylord also same thing. And then the fire ladder truck we mentioned, we actually did put it into 25 to be borrowed for. And so that would be $85,000 or so over 20 years. The life of that truck would support that kind of financing term. And then, you know, considering future net zero funding. So with the sustainability coordinator position we are looking at more and more projects that we can do to achieve the net zero goals. And so this year is also kind of like a level set and planning evaluation year to kind of see how we can get the most out of our money, which then follows up with a capital needs assessment. We have a lot of infrastructure that we need to invest in, you know, with our buildings. And so it's just coming with a plan to get that done. And then one thing that's not in here, which is, you know, part of, you know, our green economy is trail building for parks and that we did have some investments last year. And it's something that, you know, if we're investing in outdoor recreation we do need a mirror rear. So these are the items that, you know, are not in right now and are needed. You know, and again, sort of the bucket truck also is not listed here. But that's another thing that's, you know, a high priority. So that's the end of the prepared slides. But that's where we are with this particular plan. And so we can take this whichever way you'd like to maybe look at the slides before. Let's talk about any of the items that were in or out. If you, what you think about the funding level going back to this, the first slide and thinking about how much we're investing categorically whether it's in projects or equipment. And then ultimately, you know, finalizing your recommendation to go forward. And so I'm gonna actually go back to the first slide just to kind of show the plan. So people can see it. And so just taking a look at this, you know and thinking about if this level fund over 23 is something based on the current workload investments that we've made in the past that would be supported by this committee or not. And as you can see, there's two key factors here. One is just the huge increase in debt service based on and so that, you know, when you keep the same total dollars that's almost a one-for-one debt service going up and annual capital going down. And then the fact that we had really planned to be at the 2.4 or something between 2.15 and 2.4 this year. Yeah, given the overall budget, we weren't able to do that. So that's what happens. We set the financial target and then fit the projects and funding to it. The other piece that we didn't mention and I'll be mentioning it in the budget thing but it really does affect here. And that is Confluence Park. And I mentioned that because in this past year, you know, we had $600,000 in a bond to put our share in the estimate that project is now up to almost three months. We told you 2 million in a couple weeks about the $3 million. So I think there's a sort of a fair question on the tables whether we're gonna, we should go forward with that project. And so where it's at now is final plans are getting finalized and final estimate at some point that will come to the council to show you the plan and to give you the final estimate you'll give it a go and it'll go whatever. But we need to put on the ballot this year, authorization to change some of the wording from that one item last year anyway because of the pellet burner at BBW Grudge. We wanna make it broader to allow for other renewable energy type use and because it was so specific last year. So we could also address the that $600,000. So one option is to kind of have some broader language and then we'll be able to figure out, you know, that could be a significant, for example, net zero investment could use that. If that's what we chose to do, could probably do everything we needed to do with the garage to get that all done. So not decisions you have to make now other than as we go through this process in January, the ballot item to change that. Ballot item to change last year's ballot item wording. But then you don't have to actually make a decision till you're presented with that number which is something we consider that as another potential or we just don't let the, you know, the other thing is, you know, if you didn't do the project, we can just say we're not gonna issue $600,000 worth of that and that also works. So yeah, or we can go ahead with our share of the project and let people fundraise. There's a lot of options to, you know, presuming we wouldn't do it, but it certainly is a different financial, the scope of that project is a lot different than when we first thought it was gonna be half a million dollars and a million dollars. Something like that. So to put the language online, it's not being set until after the project or whatever, we modify. Correct. Yeah, we would amend last year's bond language we certainly, we have to specifically do it with regard to the DPW heat, but you know, we might want to just think about a way to amend all of it. So you could still go ahead and do it if you want, but just give us a quick summary. Once the voters pass that, then we have the authority to issue those bonds for the now eligible projects. That's something to think about as we go forward. Possibly your market would be able to see more opportunities. You could. Yeah, I mean, there's any, right. It's, you know, I think it's, right. How do you, and are they something right? Is that something like, yeah. I think the main thing is to make sure that if it's, if we were to reuse that $600,000, is it something that makes sense from a policy perspective to issue as a bond versus shorter term, by paving definitely not, right? So we're going to build a public bathroom and we're going to do something like that. Then yeah, and we will make sense to finance. Or we do the equipment barn and all those things at DPW. So I think there's a lot of, we have no shortage of projects that we can provide. No. No, perfect. I mean, I think my overall reaction is like, we're going to build a budget way to go forward. A lot of, even though it's like any state with all the work that we're doing, it's just like, good. I guess like one question is, how, like with the federal funding, how clear is it at this point, which budget, it's still on? Clear at all. So, I mean, I guess I'm just trying to think of like there's the wish list, like which of those might be eligible in the next few years? Like for that, I'll put that in terms of like, into the wish list that we're supposed to look forward and like it's probably not going to get there. Here, things are likely eligible, but it might be an opportunity like that. I think the only real clarity we've heard is that there's probably more in water and sewer than anything else, which is good. We've got a lot of work to do, but other than that, it's still kind of straight. What is that? I was just going to say, like there, I don't know the time, but I'll put them all on. There's a grant, maybe $5,000, and like there's some, like a plan that's sort of criteria thing. So I think like, I don't know if it's going to be here, but even though that low for the tier, I think that could make sense to get it though. Sort of date. Our task tonight is to pick them up with a break and we'll see for $15,000 money, all right? So, well, so there's sort of two questions. One is, you know, this is the amount of money that's currently in the budget presentation of the big picture. So if this committee says we want to make a pitch for more money to the full council or last month, then you could do that. And then, of course, it would be the discussion of how do we just raise taxes? Do we cut some of the money? So that's sort of number one is, what do we want to do with the total? And then number two is, okay, whatever that total is, what's in that, are you satisfied with the logic of what's in there? We have more questions if you'd like to see more options. Move stuff from the not funded list to the funded list. So if I were not a member of city council, I would be advocating for this to be more money and to make greater investments in the public works. But as someone who has to decide on the budget at full, I don't feel like I can make a very well-informed recommendation about this particular piece right now without seeing the whole thing and sort of figuring out how it all goes together. So I don't think that as a committee member, I'm going to advocate for any change to this because there's a lot of thought in here. It looks like a good plan, but when it comes time for us to make the budget at full, this seems to me like an area where we might not want to go up and down, but we might want to do that. And then maybe there are other things that we can do to help with that, but I don't know what's going to go right now. What part? I don't think you'd have disagreement from anybody in this room that there ought to be more money in this account, no, no question. Like I said, we started the whole budget process at the 2.4, and at one point we kind of had half the difference. And it was like, well, let's try to at least keep what we have left here as we go down. So yeah, it's, I think you're right, it comes to choices and what's in it, unless you want to go up. And which is always a choice too. There's also team balance and personnel. What's the main thing about? Yeah, I mean, painting projects, there's not as high a level after staff as there are people at work because there's so much more impact on the duration of the budget. So it's longer, you know, so I think we could probably take on a creative work. I don't know what we could take on more, build projects to stay straight, stay straight. Could the city take on, the residents take on more, take on what's in my budget. It's going to be a lot in their face. If we were going to do that, we'd be stricter than what we selected. We're not going to pick something in the downtown border where all that traffic is going to be put. We'd be going out into the powder neighborhood and doing some of the methods that would not really interfere or impact the bigger projects that are built. You have some in public here, did you? So right now, like the big ones and a lot of these are in the list already. There's obviously a lot of people who are like all the various areas of the powder compound. There, the next kind of big list that I have wanted to include for this year was doing some work to do that on the government. And what the matter is, it's not really, it wouldn't be what we would first say. It may, it could be a little bit more out of the way, but I would just, you know, I looked at the list that we prepared for the next five years, coming straight from one event was actually probably the most obvious. It was the furthest out to that end of the road. It's been deferred a couple of times now. So that would be like the easiest way to put back into the end, and just for you, what we had over the next five years and to make the difference in the sense when staffing capability is trafficked in fact, that would be the other part of it. Well, I think it'd be helpful if you had some knowledge really to talk about when we do give them to the full window and we say, oh, what, what payee will come next? And how much that, how much would be helped, you know? They might, sometimes you'd have a couple and then we compare what costs were each district and how that's set out. We have prepared over the next four to five years, well, the street that we're selecting, right? So we'd be generally choosing streets that were on that. Everyone's over here in 24, 25, 25. 26, 27, 28. Well, you're out of mind. She here. But it is more economical streets. Yes. We're, we start going one on one end of that one. Pay a high charge, but I'm going to move on. That's not the best case scenario. And you're back. So the choice of streets really depends on the amount. I don't want to say please, I can't. Well, it'd be sometimes a move. So for example, this is an FY26 list, depending on the funding, you can see those streets listen. Yeah. And there is an FY26 list. So that is all sort of, I think you've got all of those. And the other piece I just want to point out is, yes, this is we were following your potential by coming to the stuff that Zach just talked about. Is that this is the general fund only. So this is the street sidewalks and the equipment here. It's also the water and sewer budget. And Kurt's going to talk about that with tonight, because we've got a lot of questions recently about the underground infrastructure. And so there was additional funding for that, as well as funding that we're doing. So this is only the surface work. Fogging crack. That's to maintain and protect. That's really important place. But that's in that also is, I mean, that's what was done. If I'm not correct, it's correct if I'm wrong. I think that's what was done on College Street and Bear Street here. Yes. And there's a whole bunch of streets that we've repaved since I've been here that need that exact treatment, right? But that requires the Westwoods. I think it's important that people, that appears as though that's a new day street. You know, it's the effect that makes it seem like it's been done. So that's why it's so important. So much less expensive than actually. Yeah, that's right. Yes, and then the long-term, it will be very much financial benefit to the city because we get a lot more weight. One other thing when I actually, pulling up these lists helps to, you know, retrace the things that we go to. One of the things that we talk about internally was if we were moving forward with, if we had additional funding, we may want to talk to the contract because that's going to be two and pair up with the Blackwell at one street, maybe one of the greener streets, that are adapted, right? Because you might be able to leverage the contract and try the state fund at a price. Now, we won't know the bid results and we don't know whether that's even on the table until next Friday that was bidding results and then if we were given the direct amount of funding, then we could kind of chase down that avenue whether it was viable. But that was one thing that we talked about internally that would be nice to get through to that little opportunities that really have a lot of attention. We can, we do have for each of the capital plan years, we do have detailed cheats that Delacorks has put together and we also have sort of the first iteration and then sort of the things that have been struck from that and then, you know, what's actually in there. And so we can go through those if we're interested, or, you know, if at this point you're sort of okay with the current construct, you wanna see the full budget and then maybe circle back, we may, you know, do that. Also, so I don't, you don't know what the preference is, but it seems like there were kind of a couple ways we could take this, but it seems like there might be a preference for one. And again, for the newer folks on this project, like you said, typically this group has looked at what's in the number and the council itself has sort of just debated them on how much we should be investing, not that we're gonna spend tons of time going to the agreement. We usually spend two meetings on it, so we'll be doing real short. I may be the only one, but when these come by list and the leads has more of a word document and spreadsheets, I don't know if it's Harrison, but is it possible to turn this information into a spreadsheet? You know what, I mean, it certainly can. I mean, I think probably what might be nice is to have everything listed and then have sort of just the years. So then you can see just the, you know, sort of even with an X mark, like what are the things in the column for 24? And we could definitely do that. I mean, I think we wanted to also make sure that this was digestible just so you could take it out of the glance. And so that was our intent for just this sort of initial briefing to see, you know, what your thoughts were, but we can certainly do that. I was just thinking in a spreadsheet, it seems to me in the past sometimes, but then you moved it from 23 to 24, or 23 to 25, whatever it moves, it goes like this. It starts to be, it's big, ever-generating Excel sheets, right? And so this was actually an effort to make it more digestible this year. You know, I'd actually prefer to put it back in Excel sheets with the exception of when you start planning the shuffle game and trying to, you know, match a budget and figure out all these projects. You have so many variables that you're trying to do at the same time. And like, I'm also generally when I do these first iterations of plans, I'm going back and checking if we need, if we do this much level of paving, are we meeting up baseline targets? So I'm using the Excel sheets to sum up at the bottom the amount of paving or your check of balance. So this was actually something that we talked about this year that we're like, I think it'll be more digestible to put it this way, but we could easily take this information now that it's out, and put it in Excel sheet, it's already there. Anyone else prefer Excel? Yeah, we like Excel, we like YouTube. No, you don't. I like Excel, but not for this. For my work, yes, but when I'm just looking, I just want the data. Just want the fact that that's it, that's it. Oh, and you both, we've already done this, so we can put them two columns each. I tend to look at more sheets and columns too, but I do. So when we get into the strategic planning, we just talked about like the paving and this, like does this plan set us backwards from that, so we're then going to be having to catch up next year, and it's probably going to be another template. Yeah, so one thing, when we get the report, we're talking about annual funding, we're not getting the valuation of class, right? So when you, if you were to then incorporate the classrooms back into the WICS, yeah, our BCI would still probably go, but if you look at it based on the report that I gave you last year, this lower level funding, we're probably going to drop a point for two over the next year. This year, we did invested 1.05 million extra, paid to preserve 4.4 miles of payment. It's the best year that I've, the most I've ever done in terms of payment with this year. So we did take a good jump up this year. So yeah, I mean, we would probably have a slight decrease in that next year for reality. When you look at just the class teaching degrees, but as a city as a whole, I would probably have to increase to this next project. I think sometimes it's good to be kind of leading for the new members, particularly when you talk about, more about the case being in the levels of the technique, how you're going to accept it, and you're pretty clearly helpful based on information and what else. That's good. Well, I suspect, you know, we have these tuning members. So, we're going to have to do some. Maybe more. Maybe three. Yeah, I was worried about that. So, you know, we were already thinking, you know, that we do need to do some, you know, some of that work in the spring, work on the vision kind of work. I mean, folks, just keep on. I still want to get caught up. So, that's on our minds for sure. So, we can maybe leave it here for tonight to just kind of think about the planning that we've done so far and think about sort of these funding levels. And then from there, maybe, you know, consider, you know, this plan once we move forward with the budget and you see what all is in there. And then, you know, we can either, you know, add or, well, add. Add, what's the correct answer for this? Right. So, right, just so everybody's aware that what we've got booked here is in the budget in this first initial FY24 construct at level fund from 23. So, with that, you know, maybe do you, do you members feel like they would like to have a meeting next week or kind of take it as part of the budget itself? I don't see where we are at the end of tonight. Yeah, okay. That sounds good. All right. Well, thank you very much for hearing this presentation. And thanks to everyone else for putting this together.