 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 12 minutes, we have our intro where me, Adam and Justin, have some fun conversation. We riff. Adam talks about his new, organized- I have it for you right now, too. The superwife came through and she sent it over to me, so I'm going to read it off right now. All right. So this is an organized brownie recipe. Do it. Yeah, this is it. So it's two scoops of the organized vanilla protein, two tablespoons of unsweetened cocoa, one half cup melted peanut butter, three bananas, the browner the better, optional, we did this, crushed walnuts at the bottom of the pan. So optional also, quarter cup walnuts added to the mix. So we put a little bit of walnuts in the mix. We made a little bread at the bottom, and then we used one of those. What do you call those little tinfoil pie-looking dishes? I think that's it. Pie plate. Pie plate. Pie plate. Just like a tinfoil one, right? Whatever you call those. And then you bake it? Yep. And then you bake it. Excellent. Got you guys. Organify is one of our sponsors. If you go to organifyshop.com, enter the code Mind Pump, you'll get 20% off pretty much anything. We also talk about how Adam got Katrina to cook the way that he likes. Oh, fuck. He revealed that. Ninja. Hopefully she still does. Katrina, I know you're listening to the episode. I'm going to just fuck myself. Yeah, wait till I hear this one. Me, Justin, and Doug like you the way you are. You're a great cook. We also talk about our Pajaro Dunes retreat, where we actually went off and created new content for, written content for online, so we can get more people introduced to Mind Pump. I also mentioned Thrive Market in this episode. I know the holidays are coming up. With Thrive Market, when you enroll and get yourself a membership, they will give a free membership to a family in need. Now that membership normally costs something like, I don't know, like 30 or $40 a year. Well check this out. If you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash Mind Pump, you'll get one month free membership plus free shipping on $49 or more, plus $20 off the first three orders of $49 or more. So you get hooked up fat. And you're helping people out. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, what are our thoughts about sleeping on the floor versus sleeping in a bed? Isn't this analogous to wearing shoes versus barefoot walking? This dude just got kicked out of his house. I was just going to say that. Sounds like a terrible idea. I'm just going to say that. You're right. Tell me I'm going to be okay, Mind Pump. The next question was, how to treat this as a workout? What is our response to the health at every size movement? Is this a good movement? Is it a bad movement? Or is it like Adam says, yes and no? The next question was, somebody's asking us if they should remain a personal trainer or if they should move up the ladder and manage a big box gym. And finally, how is it possible to be vegan and have a bigger ass than Justin? That's actually impossible. Although we do talk about, we talk about glute building strategies in this episode. And I do mention the build your butt bundle. So what the bundle is, is it takes two of our most popular programs, Maps Anabolic, Maps Aesthetic and it includes a modification for people who have trouble feeling their glutes when they do those great glute exercises like squats and lunges and deadlifts. It's a pretty revolutionary program. We put it all together and then we discounted it at something like 25% off. If you want to build your glutes and you want to build your whole body but your glutes in particular, the build your butt bundle is phenomenal. It is for you. It's all planned out. Exercise demos, workout blueprints, everything you need to build your butt. You can find it at MindPumpMedia.com. All right, it's t-shirt time. Give them to them, Doug. All right, we got 17 reviews this last week, so we've given out five shirts. That's not too bad. Not too bad. I like that. Not too bad at all. Let's hear them. All right, we got Jay Willis, 29.79, Bam, 0.3, 0.8, 7, Beeberry, 93, Kranguy, 32. Like that guy. Rachel Ann, 85. All of you are winners. Send the name. I just read to iTunes at MindPumpMedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. That's right. We got you fitted. We're going to rush to get over there. She told they weren't ready and there were some things I need to change with the recipe. So she did. Fucking bomb. What did you do? What did you mix? How's it work? What's going on? I don't know. Bro, I don't fucking do that. The recipe is on Organifi. What is it called? It's the brownie. It's the brownie. It has, okay, bananas. It has the protein powder from Organifi. It's got walnuts. It's got cocoa powder and something else. Avocado. No. He's all in brownie mix. No. Brownie mix. From Betty Crocker. No, it's all. You take that and you sprinkle it on pizza. It's all gluten-free and all. It's all super. Wow. It's bomb. Yeah. She tweaked some things. So what I'll do for our listeners that are listening right now in case Doug can't find the recipe because I don't know for sure if Katrina totally tweaked it herself or not, but this has been one of my favorite recipes. It's really light. I'm so upset. I haven't tried anything. And even though it's a brownie, it has a banana walnut-y taste with just a hint of that, the chocolate cocoa. Oh, dude. And it's just, man, this is probably one of my favorite treats that we've made so far. You got to bring that to the holiday parties, dude. No, we will. Are we going to have a holiday party, by the way? Are we doing anything? A mind pump on this? Well, we got staff now. Holiday party. We didn't have staff last year. I didn't even think about it. As long as there's egg nog, I'm there. We should talk about doing something for everybody. Gotta get some nog. What do you guys want to do for everybody? I'll think about taking them to Arby's. Arby's. Is there one that still exists? That's taken with Chili's. If we are good leaders, we should think of individual things for each one of them. See, now that you said that, it's on air, now we have to do it. I don't think so. That's not true. We can just give her a bonus, dude. Everybody be fucking just happy. Yeah, man. That's what I want. That's what I want. How about if we give ourselves a Christmas bonus, because I need to stop with the fucking Jetta. The light came on. Santa gave me a secret bonus. Something light came on in my car today. What? Oh, no. I don't know what it was. It was red. Oh, he's just talking. It was a red light. I was just talking to Katrina about trading the Denali. I looked at it. I looked it up and it's like, if you see this red light pop up, you need to bring your car in immediately. It's going to explode. So you know what I did? I turned the car off, turned it back on. The light was gone. It disappeared. I fixed it. You did it. I fixed the light. But I think it's... You know how you listen to your body's signals? You know I talk about intuitive eating all the time. You got to listen to your body's signals. And if you don't listen, the signals get louder until it yells at you. My car is not yet, not yet. Little by little, I'm getting the... You know, you got to do something about this, buddy. Hey, man. So if you're hurting me. If you're listening right now, maps programs on sale for my Jedda. I got to get a new car. Anyway, there's the recipe right there. No, Doug pulled it up, but I don't think that's there. I'm texting Katrina as we speak right now. Well, I'm going to read this one. The ingredients are... What is that? A third, three-fourths of a cup smooth almond butter. This is the almond butter. This is the almond butter that goes up to your girlfriend and says nice things. Oh, yeah. Then one cup of unsweetened applesauce, half a cup of pure maple syrup, one tablespoon of pure vanilla extract, half a cup of vegan chocolate chunks or dark chocolate bar of 60 to 7% cacao, half a cup of organified vanilla complete protein, half a cup of unsweetened cocoa powder, two tablespoons of coconut flour, one teaspoon of baking soda, half a teaspoon of fine sea salt, and a quarter cup dark chocolate chunks that you sprinkle on the top. That sounds delicious. I could have all that. I think we might have tried this one. I think it's the one... What's vegan chocolate? It looks like chocolate, but tastes like soy. It's chocolate that talks to you about the environment and how it's better than the other chocolate. It tells you what an asshole you are. All the time. Okay. All the time. I was just wondering. That's how you absolutely know. That looks pretty good, though. Yeah. That one is not the one we do because the one we do actually has a banana, has banana and walnuts in it, which again, I'm trying to get the queen here to respond to me and find out if it was something that she took that recipe and then she tweaked it for her own or she actually found because normally what we do is we... I want to know what the macros are, too. This is what... Let me tell you something, too. By the way, if you're not... You guys are not taking advantage of this. One of my favorite things about organified is that they do provide a ton of really cool recipes and we're constantly using... I'm going to share with you guys the ones I really like. We try some stuff and we're kind of... Actually, this is a good time, too, because the holidays are coming up. Yes, yes. It's a great... It's a good time to trick your family in eating healthy. Yeah. We have my Thanksgiving coming up next weekend with my family and here's my mom, Tex Katrina, like to... Katrina says, hey, Tammy, is there any side dishes that I could bring? And she goes, yeah, could you bring the marshmallow jello salad? Oh, my God. Katrina is like... That's not just my family? No. She goes, what the fuck is this? Yeah. We're not bringing it. Why do they call it salad? It's not a salad. It's not a salad. There's nothing salad about it. You use green jello. Marshmallows? That's why it's a salad. It's fucking... You know what I mean? It's awful, too. It is so awful. It's nothing... It is literally... It's awful. Have you ever had a marshmallow tree? Oh, my God. It's like, hey, try my new broccoli steak. So many nutrients. Am I supposed to make this for your family? No, we are not making that. We were making our own. So we started playing around. So we're going to bring the... Holy casserole. These brownies. These brownies are awesome. So those that are listening, if you try the recipe that Sal said before the day is up, I will get it from Katrina. And then probably by the time this airs, I will have already... In the show notes. In the... No. What? On the show notes? Why not? Well, because I don't know when this is... When is this going, Doug? This one goes when? It doesn't matter next week. Okay. Okay. Well, maybe I can get it in there by that time. Oh, it's my responsibility. Well, if you're going to... If you're ever going to happen then... Well, if you're going to put something like that out there and make the whole me account and remember, I'm already the guy who's making the goddamn recipes and fucking trying them out and talking about them. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. You're not. Your girlfriend is. That's the same thing. We're one. Tex Katrina to remind. Our relationship. Tex Katrina to put it in the show notes. We are one flesh. Yeah, we are one. You're winning points left to right. Wow. Part of when you find your partner forever, you're allowed to make claims that it's really your partner. Yeah. This is part of the perks. That's awesome. It is part of the perks, right? You don't do... Justin, you don't do this? I mean, I sometimes... When your wife does really good stuff, you don't take the credit for it? Let's take it. Yeah. Well, dude. It's just so like opposite of me, so I usually can't. Nobody will believe me. Well, dude, you guys have seen how good I am on the silks when I used to travel to Cirque du Soleil. Yeah. My flexibility is incredible. You are. Well, you know what? You know what? I'm graceful. You know, I was told me out on this the other day because we're all somewhere in... But what are you telling people you're organized? No, no, no, no. We are organized. That I am not. That I am not. And I don't even try and claim that. But I've been on my own as a kid. I was out by 17, right? So I had to figure out from 17 all the way till I have the superwoman now in my 30s, I had to do all my stuff myself as far as cooking and preparing. And I actually can cook pretty well. But I don't like it. I can cook I don't enjoy it so when we first started dating and Katrina's gonna put me on blast for this one But she's not a good cook. She wasn't oh, no She was not but Katrina I've had food that you've prepared. I think it's really oh, no Bro now trying to cover now. She's one of the best cooks I've ever oh, so she was bad Yeah, so so what I would do right so I would make dinner, but then I was sure like oh This is I really like this dish and kind of show her like that right so and it and now she looks back And she's just like you know I got totally bamboozled here because yeah when we first started dating you that move you you were making all these dinners Meanwhile, what you were really doing was teaching me how to yeah Teaching me how to cook the shit that you want me to cook for you because now you don't cook You know what I did the first time I made food because I'm not I don't I mean I don't mind cooking I just don't I don't know I don't know much about it and the way I eat is very simple anyway I eat very plain and simple so when I first started dating Jessica I told us hey, I'll make you some lamb some ground lamb and some vegetables. She's like oh that sounds awesome So I had this it was called a rocket grill. It's kind of like a George Foreman except its vertical dude Foreman like saved my life. Yeah, that was all I could so so what I do is I buy and grow I buy ground lamb and I smash it and I grill it and that's it you get this big patty of Front of you with some vegetables on the side. She's like What else like this is it? That's so the bodybuilder single guy take care of yourself like oh, man I don't know how many time with Justin too on that dude All I would do is barbecue and in college for myself like I literally would Rotate the meats. Oh, and the veggies if I even did that barbecue in the summer form and grow in the winter That was exactly all years years of eating like that and just meet me just as original as you were right there Some meat a little seasoning some steamed vegetables to it. What is it that Montreal seasoning? Yes, so many times. So yeah clutch the thought of it for us I cooked your guys the steaks with that Montreal this last weekend You did and you did a good job and you put like a butter you should put some butter on that was a little added bonus You know what let's talk about that for a second. What a great time Up at the horror. Oh, yeah, what a great time. We went up there and we got we got real focused and do a lot Of work. Well, I just love that we can go somewhere else like that. That's like a great scenery, but we're productive You know, we're all like in the same place like hustling doing our thing It's so have you guys never been to Pajaro dunes before no no live the clothes It's like this secret area which now it's not because I'm talking about but it was like the secret area near Watsonville You never expect it to be there because you're driving through like fields of like artichokes and stuff all the agriculture But it's beaches are gorgeous or some beautiful houses out there And I have a client Who was a great friend of mine and she had a like a townhouse that she owned there and she used to let me use it all the time So I go there and I'd go there with you know team members from my own my wellness facility I went there a bunch of times I went there at the time with my wife and kids and it's just a special place I did lots of meditating on the beach. I've seen Dolphins out there in the ocean a couple times a seal Actually me and Adam went for a walk on the beach early in the morning when everyone's sleeping because we wanted to connect and As we're walking on the beach barefoot. You guys are so cute. We saw Two strange things one. We saw a washed up seal carcass, right? Which is not super strange. Yeah, and then that's great white and then like a deer. Yeah a deer No, it was just washed up and antlers and everything on the beach on the beach, dude It must have drowned and got like washed up from where Yeah, it was weird really weird. It was really weird. There's like some shark out there kind of you're a land shark Yeah, but anyway had a great time with no no that was that you know, we should do and the house we stayed in What was that man? Cool, right? It was cool, but it was on it was on stilts. It was it was on stilts So every time Justin especially when Justin walk cuz he's heavy shake the whole house Yeah, I got a I got a lead foot Taylor was super good, but Taylor was super excited about the house, dude We should tell our audience though because I know that a lot of people are like all the forum is like talking right now Like oh shit. What are they creating now? Are they doing well to be completely honest to transparent? We are creating sales funnels to close people that aren't listening to the podcast already So it's really not for you guys. That's super transpired Wow It's what it is. It's exactly well. Okay, hold on first of all sugar. Go ahead sugar. It's not about sugar Waters, it's not any it's not about sugar coating. The reality is if you want to be effective at selling whatever you have Rule number one have something good because otherwise won't last very long number two You better provide some value and you better do a good job communicating what you want to communicate Those are the two rules big rules and sales. So a lot of what we were doing up there was providing or creating Written really good written content a lot because we don't have a ton of written content online So if someone wants, you know, it's people who never listen to mine pumps solidifying our message in a way that people will be able to Understand who we are what we're about like relatively quickly exactly So if you're you know if you're online and you're looking for fitness information never heard of mine pump So you have nothing you don't know anything about our podcast or about our YouTube channel and you're looking up What's the best body part split to build muscle one of our articles might pop up We talk about the benefits of increased training frequency or if you're you know a woman and you're looking up And you're like why can't I get my stomach to flatten after having children? We may have an article coming up that talks about training the transverse abdominis and techniques and so it's good It's good value. It's good content. Right, right. So there you go. Yeah, not a new program That's what everyone thought was yeah, well, we have a new program though. Yeah Still For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organified fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout First up the health engineer. What are your thoughts about sleeping on the floor versus sleeping in a bed? Isn't it analogous to wearing a shoe versus barefoot walking? Isn't that a great point the guy makes? It's a very good point. Yeah, it's a very very good and I've heard this before I don't know what her name was was on Joe Rogan, but she goes to that extreme because she's like a biomechanic Specialist in her whole house is like no furniture It's like all like a hardwood and like the poor kids that have to grow up like this Well, think about it It's okay So if you wear comfortable shoes like cushy squishy shoes all the time to run and work out in If you just all of a sudden go barefoot all the time You're gonna hurt yourself because you've got you're used to The support or the crutch of the shoes your feet are atrophied your ankles are weak Your your body is basically acclimated to this device that called a shoe So when you go barefoot all of a sudden you're gonna cause problems This is true with the bed too. Like if you're like, oh wow, I should sleep on the hard floor because I heard it's good for me I promise if you do that right off the bed and jack everything up You're gonna get terrible sleep Which then is worse for your health than the potential benefits of sleeping on a hard floor. Well, I mean there's a little There's some differences here too. So let me if you're laying flat on your back sleeping on the bed Gravity is pushing down which most people are gonna have all this anterior issue, right? Because we're doing everything on the front like so quad hip flexor everything's all dominant in the front And if you lay flat on your back gravity is pushing down this way Not so detrimental now laying sideways or a post potentially on your stomach And then you have this arch in your low back gravity is pushing down on you that way Maybe a little bit more so sleeping on your back on a comfortable bed Is not the same as somebody walking around with cushion shoes and that's again The way I want to think about it is because it's a good point, but it is it is a good point If you have all these I like where he's going here if you have No buy-in Yeah, if you have all these Exactly if you have all these deviations in your posture and his issues. Is it the hard floor? That's the problem No, right. It's your body has a problem. And again if we go back to evolution Humans did not evolve sleeping on beds. We evolved sleeping on Probably leaves or hay or the floor. I mean the ground that's just grass and stuff like that So there may be some benefits for now. I've experienced this For a short period of time when I first when you're in prison. No, yes, exactly. I wasn't much sleeping Tell you it wasn't the bed that was hurting you Clenched It was Tyrone that's when I open the other one close shut No, I Know you may not when I first got when I first got divorced when I left You know when you first of all divorce is very expensive, you know, my my kids I wanted them to stay in there in the home that they grew up in so I took nothing and I was I had this mentality of like super minimalist. So I ordered on Amazon this like Japanese Matt it's like a it's like it's cushion, but it's not it's like a flat pillow, but it's big and that's what I slept on For I don't know like five months. I slept on that thing for five months and I swore to God I felt good. There were no problem. They slept perfectly fine now granted I don't know typically have issues sleeping and I don't have problems in bed anyway But I felt really good sleeping on on the floor and it wasn't a problem I did it recently when my girlfriend's family came to visit and we gave them our bed like good hosts are supposed Hey, not a bad idea for a single guy who's not banging out But if you're gonna be having sex, I just can't imagine bringing over somebody for your great point, right? I was waiting for that, right? I'm thinking myself. I will think about this like you're having sex, dude My knees hurt. Yes There's a lot of places you could have sex dude I've learned how to use springs for a reason. Oh, man Are you kidding me? They store the energy and help you it's the motion What is so if you're if you're this guy who sleeps on the floor or your your Japanese bed You're talking about you mean to tell me that I got it You have your date or your girl over you're like, hey, honey, like I want to have sex Well, we could go to the couch if we have sex. Let's go stand Sex standing up is not bad Tension you're like That's weird you're not selling me on this idea. No, but it's interesting I'm gonna look up the science on this because I feel like I feel like if you're healthy and fit I feel like every once in a while sleeping in different under different circumstances and conditions Maybe good for the body like changing up a lot of things. Of course, you know, and here's a deal. Here's a deal. I Have so I have family that served in the military And they'll tell me that they learn to sleep pretty much anywhere and now they have no issue sleeping Because of that and so I'm wondering you yeah, because yeah because in the military you don't get the most comfortable I know I get it But I'm like trying to figure out what's the learning curve or what's the process because you just do it like If you had to sleep on the floor and you you would eventually learn how to sleep well on the floor That might be a good skill now when you go to a hotel you sleep on your friend's couch or whatever It's not an issue because I know a lot of people. Why don't we give these guys in prisons even a bed? Yeah, huh? They should just get concrete slabs. Maybe that's why I mean right there. I could I could probably save Go full inhumane We're over here trying to make the argument it's better for you I mean if it's better for you with the fucking we do and give it inmates fucking cushiony beds, dude It's not I don't think they're getting No, I think I'm sure there's at least at least a million dollars in you know these beds all over That's not the way you save money with prisons Taking away their bed. Well. Yeah, then we let out all the people that are in there first having a pound of marijuana Those two no, I think I think it's interesting. It may help look I know people I know a lot of people where if they're at a hotel or if they're camping or if they're anywhere other than They're fucking room in bed. They can't sleep. That's not good. That's not a good That's not a good thing because then when you travel and stuff you don't enjoy you can't enjoy it So it might be a good idea. I'm gonna do some research on this because I bet you there's some There's some truth compelling arguments. You don't even have to do research on it And you can make you can make the argument that there is definitely some truth to that and I think a lot of it What has to do with the gravity and and your posture and your imbalances then than anything else because if you if you're in this big cushiony bed and you've got really bad posture and then you sleep on your side or your stomach You're not helping you're not helping that whatsoever now if you sleep on the floor literally I don't know anybody that could do that without sleeping on your back. You would have to sleep on your back Which I'm not sleeping on your side, right? You're not you're not sleeping on your side You're probably not sleeping on your face face down. I'm a side sleeper It's not sound right. So you're sleeping on your back and when you're laying on your back It's the opposing gravity is probably the opposite of or is probably what most people need Okay, because if you think about laying on your back most people have a upper and lower cross syndrome Which is everything is rolled forward. So if you're laying flat on your back gravity is pushing down Which is helping that that condition versus making it worse if somebody's in a bed. That's all cushiony and soft It's not really doing that, right? You're just absorbing it into the cushion and you're gonna keep the poor poor poshers Actually, yeah, I can make the argument. I sleep on a bed of nails like a man Next up healthy happy and free How do you respond to the health at every size movement? I think if we had to give away a gift For somebody who got has given the best questions for the last year. Well, that's why you keep seeing them Healthy happy and free you win a lot. You want to free a are a frequent flyer Would you like would you like to give her some miles ever a t-shirt? And we don't even know we don't even we don't even personally know this person But when you at when you ask good fucking questions, we can't we can't avoid you get a re-response We try and avoid people we see the names of a lot to give give a nice rotation for everybody But sometimes some of you guys are just quality Dm one of us will get will send you a free t-shirt actually speaking of gifts because we're getting near the holiday season and You talked about I don't know which episode you talked about but you talked about how you do your Where you adopt a family and you give them a gift and stuff like that Yes So something that we don't talk a lot about and I want to bring this up before answer this question With Thrive Market one of our sponsors one of the things that they do that I really really really Like is when you get a membership with them, you know, you get their their good prices You get their good products. They're fast shipping lots of but they will donate a free membership to a family in need Dude, how cool would it be if we did like a how could we do that right if everybody was like We made a push on Thrive Market right now to try and get a family Dude, you know it used to be I mean these days if you're looking if you're if you have issues with money if you're you know If if you're a single parent household or whatever your nutrition tends to be much much much worse Part of it is just accessibility and part of its convenience and part of its cost It's actually can be more expensive to eat healthy So what I like about this particular our sponsor Thrive Market is you get a membership They'll donate a membership to a person in need the CEO who we did an episode with what's his name Gunnar Good thing his name was Gunnar. He grew up very poor and this is why he implemented this. So it's phenomenal It's a great time of year to do this. So check it out Okay, that itself is a reason to try Thrive Market So if you haven't tried Thrive Market like for whatever reason that's keeping you from doing that considering that you can shop whole or Whole organic foods at your door within two days for the price that you would pay at a safe way for regular food That's not organic. Just doing it for the simple fact that you're helping out a family need I think it's a cool thing to do. That's the time of year at this time of the year So that's time a great point, dude. So the question was how do we respond to? The health at every size move. So here's the thing I want you to do if you're listening to the show right now I want you to kind of slow down for a second close your eyes and imagine Uh yourself at a very healthy state and what I mean by healthy is your balance. Do you have a healthy mental state? Healthy physical state. Yes, you know, you just everything all factors combined all factors combined all are very healthy and optimal Now what does the physical? Representation right of that look like now I can tell you right now the physical representation of that being in health does not look like Obesity it does not look like you're super heavy. It does not look like inflammation It does not look like gut health issues. It does not look like depression. It doesn't look like any of that stuff So the health at every size movement. I think is rooted in Very very good intentions, but I think people from a psych from the psychological aspect of it alone Yes, because I think people are taking it to mean. Oh You know, I know I'm 80 pounds overweight I don't care because I'm still healthy. That's not entirely true now Can you be oh 80 pounds overweight and then compound that with a super negative self image where you confuse your body image with yourself? Absolutely, and that's not gonna help you. It's not gonna help you at all So I can help you even if you lose weight even if you're at the right weight Even if physically you look healthy, but you have this terrible self image. That's also not healthy So health at every size really is rooted in the love yourself don't hate don't hate yourself Which I believe you can love you and you can you can love yourself at any size Yeah, right and you can love yourself at any size, but still accept that I'm not the healthiest version of myself That's right. And that's what it that's really and that's why that's that's body image You want to be objective, too? Well, this is why I don't like this movement because it has it's rooted with the right idea Right that like you said having the helping people disconnect the self from body image But what happens with it? It ends up turning into this thing of justifying or making an excuse to not take care of yourself Because I can love myself even though I'm 100 I will give you a great example of this. Okay Because obesity is much more common nowadays. It's becoming Cool to say negative things about people who are skinny in particular with women There isn't there's whole songs talking about, you know, men don't want no skinny girl Or you know the guys like, you know women with you know with meat on them Whatever there's a lot of women and they're out there that are naturally skinny that you're you're gonna potentially cause bad bad Body image and self image with them as well. So that's the negative side of this You know I'm saying that there's a negative side to this health at every size movement I don't think it's the movement itself I think it's the people in it who pervert the movement and who are because they feel bad about themselves in order to make themselves feel Better they're gonna make you feel bad because you're skinny or make you feel bad because you don't have a big butt or whatever The reality is when you're truly healthy on all aspects the physical representation of that looks very fit It does now you not extreme. It doesn't look extreme. So you're not gonna look like a body builder I'm just gonna say it's no different than where I was at when I was competing when I get on stage I would be a fool if I said I'm the healthiest I've ever been in my life, right? That wasn't a physical representation of health, right? It wasn't it's not it's not the healthiest I've ever it's extreme And that's the thing like you're not gonna look like a body builder. You're not gonna be a shredded athlete You're not gonna be extreme, but you are gonna be fit You are gonna be relatively lean. So for women, this means you'll probably be in the high teens to low 20s in terms of Body fat probably everybody's a little different For men, you're gonna be anywhere between eight to maybe 13% body fat Although of course, there are some individual variances. You're gonna have a good amount of strength You're not gonna be like super powerlifter of the year But you're gonna be strong enough to perform squats and deadlifts and maybe do some pull-ups And you're gonna be able to get up and move and run and play with your kids You're gonna feel fantastic and you're gonna look really good You're gonna look probably the best that you've ever looked because a lot of people don't ever really get to this part to the stage, you know Yeah, and it's yeah, I mean it's interesting cuz it starts out on the right foot, right? Cuz this this has to be a bit of backlash from all the magazine covers and all that's exactly what it all the vanity That's just completely highlighted that is the extreme and that's what people identify as health and I think that's the unfortunate part is a Lot of times people feel just like that's not that that's unattainable Therefore, I have to just love myself where I am and and then it gets stuck in that one Operating mode leave it to us in our society to go from one side to the other side. We were just 20 years ago We were idolizing, you know these models that were unhealthy rail thin to the point where they were just starving doing drugs starving themselves Throwing up to look this way and we idolized them for many years on coverage magazines Now we're going the complete opposite direction where we're saying oh bigger is better and this is healthier and this is and then you have the other Extreme now where it's like oh love yourself even though you're a hundred pounds away, which is true You should love yourself, but to fool yourself and to think that you're healthy is wrong It's not true. Just as no different than it was for the skinny bitch who's doing cocaine and throwing up Saying that she's healthy, you know, no it are the way we look on on the outside is not a necessarily Mean that you're you're not healthy and necessarily doesn't mean you are either so both are true So it's like this movement. We just went from one extreme the other I hopefully we'll find somewhere in the middle in the next like 10 to 15 years Yeah, I think you know body acceptance and you know health at every size. I mean really it just means this like Don't hate yourself. Even if even if you physically does like step one Yeah, don't hate yourself just because okay fine. You're 100 pounds away 50 pounds of a weight You're out of shape. Whatever that doesn't mean hate, you know hate yourself doesn't mean you're a bad person It doesn't even mean you're your fat. You're not that your body may have body fat on it, but that's not who you are So recognize that and that's really the first step to becoming healthy anyway because once you Understand that then you can make the choices and decisions that are geared around true You know health at every size true body acceptance true love for yourself And then you'll find that your physical representation will manifest You know that'll reflect that I'll never forget there was this this female client that we had one of the gyms that I managed years ago and she was 65 years old And I only know her age because I asked her at one point because she'd come in we talked and whatever she had long You know gray hair it was gorgeous gorgeous hair. She didn't dye her hair. She never wore any makeup She wasn't extreme in one way or the other, but she was You know relatively toned had great movement She would sometimes come in and do yoga sometimes she'd lift weights always had this great attitude and all the guys in the gym And you know mind you we're all in our 20s at this point all of us would comment on like how sexy This woman was like wow this woman is really attractive and she's you know a lot older than we are and One day I approached her because we were hanging out and talking I told her that I said man I said I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm said all the guys in here I was comment over how attractive you are and I said and you know she kind of blush and she's like thanks I said no, it's it's a true compliment because You're you're you're beautiful in the real sense you emanate this kind of you know this true health and beauty I said if you don't mind me asking how old are you and I fully expected her to say she was something like 48 or 50 65 years old blew me though completely blew me away So I started asking her about nutrition start and I was expecting her to be like oh I you know six, you know chicken breast a day and I this that no no she's like I listen I just listen to my body sometimes I train hard sometimes I train easy depending on how I feel She's like I just really learned she goes years ago I had a horrible body image and years ago I just started really caring for myself and she's like the irony is as I look better than I ever have She's like, but I don't even notice now because it's not a big deal It totally stuck with me back then and it's later on that that kind of surface that memory when I had my own You know journey with the with with nutrition So hope that hope some people take away some stuff from that next question is from Tony Lowe. Yo, yo, yo Oh, that's our boy. He was at our seminar. Yeah. Yeah, Tony. What's that town? He's asking should he stay a trainer or manage a big box gym. Oh, wow. That's a good question It depends man Decisions if you love training clients and that's your passion Then you're gonna have to stay a trainer and if you want to make more money You're gonna probably have to go private because the big boxes aren't gonna pay much. Do you like? leading people More than you like training people which for me. Yeah, I actually enjoyed it a little bit more than training people I like to lead people a little more then I'd say go manage a big box gym You could do pretty well and you learn a lot about business if you work for the right organization Opportunities there. I mean just even if you don't like leadership or you don't consider yourself like a great leader What an experience that would be To grow absolutely. So I mean it for me I would look at it like that and then if you haven't done it before like you can always Come back to personal training, but yeah, it's totally different. It's a night and day difference I don't anything it's a close call for me I would for sure manage a big box gym, but that was all but the thing with me was I remember really early I was I got over I didn't like training clients as much as the average trainer that like training clients did I I gravitated towards teaching others and I love to teach trainers how to be better trainers and So if you if you really really love training clients and you have a true passion for it Rarely did I ever meet those trainers who ended up going on to be managers and really loving that normally the guys and girls that Wanted to manage big big box gyms or become leaders They kind of they recognize that early on and they saw that like that's what I right away Like I knew like oh, I I would be as a trainer I'd be training but then after work hours I'd be sitting around with the other trainers teaching them what I was doing and I found myself doing that not getting paid And so to me that was the sign that okay I really like doing this part where I'm mentoring these other trainers even more than I actually like doing the work, right? Yeah, so I think that is something you have to dig in deep. I feel like I feel like this is a Conundrum that good trainers at you know these big box gyms because there's a lot of trainers at these big box gyms And let's be honest the most of them They're not gonna be making you know fitness their career a lot of them are doing it because they're going to school at the same time Or because they like working out some of them are Focused and dedicated and love it and then want to build a career in fitness And at some point if you're good and you're succeeding and you're one of the top trainers in your gym You're facing this problem like okay now what because I'm not gonna make enough money Training clients at a 24 fitness or a crunch fitness or an LA fitness So what do I do now and and your options are usually? management and move up the ladder or You got to go train private where you can charge more and start making more money Which is kind of what I did but before that you know I'd flirt around with management and leadership and I just found it to be a great training grounds for learning how to Really refine what you teach like not just to your clients, but now to other educated Peers and and that's a whole another skill set that you're gonna carry with you going forward So it's a no-brainer like I definitely think that if you've never done that before You're gonna learn so much more about your current craft and you're gonna improve on it tremendously so now that being said there is so the last three months of So I for I did a year a little about a year in a few months I was a trainer and then I was promoted and Then most of my career I led trainers right so as I was a manager running a big box gym like that with Typically 15 to 25 trainers underneath me and I did that for like 10 years now the final three months before I left the company I Stepped down to be a trainer and the reason why I did that was because that was like really easy for me compared to Managing a big box. There's so many other things that are that are different from being just a trainer between right running a box I mean you're running P&L's you're paying attention to what everybody else is doing There's a lot more responsibilities going that which I loved and I like doing that But when I knew my mind was somewhere else like I had my my own personal goals And I was building other businesses that it being just a trainer was really easy because I could be I could put half my Effort into being a trainer and I still felt that I could do it better than most everybody around me which let which gate which Relieved me of some of my time and allowed me to spend more time in other businesses to to grow that where my head Kind of headspace was so I know Tony and I know that we talked when you were here and if you have aspirations of doing other Things that are not related to being a trainer or a big-box gym Being a trainer is nice because you can still make a good income and you could still focus on the other things You're doing you step into a big-box gym. Good luck trying to do that's going to consume you Yeah, if you're gonna be successful at it, right? There's a lot of this and running a big gym Is requires a lot of time a lot of effort and a lot of skill. It's not it's not easy in fact Some of the best general managers I've ever known Throughout my career in the big-box gyms They've left fitness and are extremely successful in other areas of business And it's all from the skills that they learn running these big-box gyms So like Adam said if you're gonna do that that's pretty much what you're gonna do We can't do any much anything else. Why are you doing it? Next question is from 500 days of fuck you Another top question. It's been a while since we've seen this one So how is it possible to be vegan and have a bigger ass than just oh, that's not my god That's not possible that that ass is fully built on on on meat, dude We don't even call so we don't even call Justin's ass and ass we call it cakes Yeah, because they're there's layers. There's layers. It's like you can celebrate birthdays. There's a lot of calories in there And it's soft and firm at the same time. So so here's the thing It's funny this question is funny But also it's kind of interesting because people ask can you build muscle as a vegan? Absolutely. You absolutely can if you have a Well-planned diet, you know Bill Pearl Had this conversation with Arnold Schwarzenegger years ago because Arnold was under the impression that you couldn't and gotten this huge debate And Bill Pearl is a freaking beast and he did it on a vegan diet. You just have to be More structured and more it takes more planning than omnivore diet because there are nutrients You're gonna have to seek out That tend to be easier to find with me and there are certain things that you can't find in just the vegan diet like creatine Although your body can synthesize creatine. It's typically not enough. So if you're a vegan You're gonna benefit much more from supplementing with creatine than even the average It's kind of like learning how to ride a bike blind like you can do it, you know But it's a lot easier if you can see right? I mean maybe yeah, it's kind of like that. It's kind of like that It's it's possible both ways. It's just it's a little bit more challenging for somebody that is a vegan to do that But yeah, I know absolutely Honestly where I see the biggest disconnect with people trying to build an ass is less about the the nutrients It's not their neurological. Yes. It's for sure. In fact, I'm I'm gonna shoot a video Today, which hopefully will release or be ready around this time this comes out So pay attention to mine pump TV that that talks just about this and I'm gonna share a YouTube About you know, what what I came across in my career most almost everybody who was trying to build a butt What was going wrong and and the answer is nothing to do with vegan or protein or that has everything to do with Justin just alluded to which was the the neurological disconnect and becoming very quad Interior dominant and they just do not how to connect to their post so in other words This is these are people and there's a lot of them when they do the best quote-unquote butt-building exercises squats Lunges, you know, they're doing their their Bulgarian split squats, you know all these movements deadlifts that are really good for the glutes They're so dominant with the other muscles like their quadriceps That the glutes aren't really getting everything they can get out of the exercise so the result is you know, there's people who are doing lots of squats lots of lunges lots of all these exercises and Their quads are growing They're getting results everywhere else and yet their butt Simply won't respond and this is all has everything to do with what's called a recruitment pattern It has to do with how the muscles fire and so when you are squatting you have your quads your hamstrings And glutes, which are the main the the main movers You can definitely get in a position where the glutes aren't doing nearly as much work as they could be doing and how you prime your body before your workouts Makes a massive difference. Yeah, also how you connect to your glutes And it's much more complicated than just do these movements to get your glutes to fire It's also learning how to connect your glutes. It's it's that intention with the movements We actually talk about this in our our butt builder Bundle right and it's also just the biomechanics. It's it's taking That time to really focus on increasing depth in your squat Let's say so that's something where we can now get into a position where we're Allowing the glutes to you know stretch to their full capacity and now contract at their full capacity listen almost almost everybody especially if you're above 25 and older almost everybody is suffering from some sort of a lower Cross syndrome and or upper cross syndrome normally both and and it's very similar to the the upper cross with the issues that people have With a bench press that it just people have a hard time connecting that that you would have the same problem with the butt, right? So I know most people listening this have heard of or dealt with themselves The first time you get under to do like a barbell press and you feel it all in your shoulders and your arms And you don't really feel much in your chest That is the same problem that a person who is squatting who doesn't feel it in their butt is having only it's down below lower cross syndrome Is there there everything is so anterior driven? They go to do a squat which should be posterior driven But guess what your anterior so the front of your body can take over and it does because it's more dominant You've trained it that way same thing someone goes into a bench press We're so rounded forward that our shoulders and our arms take over the movement that we can't get ourselves in this retracted position To actually activate the bigger stronger muscle that should be moving you literally can do the same exercise One way and do it another way and almost be I can I mean people can watch unless you train like you Yeah, unless you have a trained eye like I can watch someone do an exercise one way or another way With subtle changes and I can tell what's firing more But to the average person you can watch a squat from someone Doing it one way and doing it another way and the changes are so subtle that it looks the same But doing it one way we get way more glue activation doing it the other way. They're getting more quad activation So if you're in this if you're one of these people where you're not feeling Like you're getting the results and your glutes like you want to you're not developing the round full glutes from doing those great exercises Then we do have some videos on connecting to your glutes on our channel YouTube channel mine pump TV Those are free, but we also have a build your butt bundle which includes You know a program specifically designed for your body to train, but also There's a modification in there that teaches you movements to prime and train your body so that your glutes do fire better When you do these exercises, so I believe the build your butt bundle combines what maps anabolic and maps aesthetic, right? Yes, so it combines the two puts them the mod on their discounts everything and The results are pretty phenomenal. Also go to the YouTube channel mine pump TV. There's the free videos there subscribe to that channel There's 365 videos a year. 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