 Our next star. Come on. This is Jürgen Bay. The reason I would like to talk about the working landscape of our stress. I have two situations. One is as a studio where the working landscape is one of the main topics and it has to deal with that. I find it strange that if we talk about work We always talk about economics and we talk about economics. We talk about how can you work as fast that you have your weekend off, long holidays, stop your work at 65 and that's just because the language is into economics and not into work. With anyone you talk about work they get immediately interesting and they talk freely about it. And that's also why I wrote the Lounge at the New Landscape Works and the language of things and the values changes and nothingness gets more important. Language directs which means if nothingness is really important. What we say now that we call it sort of hard times because there is less and therefore you would say more nothingness. It's quite strange that we find that very hard because if you look at the sky then the beauty of the sky is that there is so much emptiness and then we never discuss how can we make it more full. It's the enjoyment of nothingness that is really important and my other head is being part of the Sandberg Institute in Education which is a very nice place because it's the only place where economics is not discussed. It's about what you're headed for, what your vision is and you try to put as much energy in that. And it's also the place where you can only share. Like no one keeps knowledge in its pocket because if you want to teach and if you want to get the projects further everything goes on the table. There is no competition in a sense that you don't let others look in your cards. You're very open with it and it's the best place to be because it's the most of time that is spent there. That's like you can work with at least of weeks of 18, 80 hours and then we have in our Institute 90 students. You can count how much time gets spent on knowledge and sharing it. And when I got educated then learning from Las Vegas was a big thing which was like making from a desert where there is nothing into an economical area and just after that learning from Dubai is a bit the same and now I am again as a third time in Sand but then in an Institute that is a master course about art and design which is a very privileged place because I'm very happy that I'm not only into design which is so-called the creative industry, the new next promise. And the way it's been discussed already kills a lot of open thinking and the beauty of art is that it is like a very open language that everyone that says something about it feels that he is right because it's an open language, that's in literature. Everyone who reads a book thinks that he reads what he sees and never feels like discussed by anyone else whether he is right or wrong. And for me this project from Francis at least is one of the highest pieces that I know because I find it really incredible like moving mountains is something that's been discussed so much that no one really literally goes to a place and really founds hundreds of people to actually shift the mountain without any complaints, without any payment it's been done and it became like a big social issue all the people that gathered and discussed they will be the ones that will tell like in 200 years within the generation like that they were there when the mountain was moved by all the people you can imagine what kind of stories will come out of it. And I think still that this is this kind of nothingness where you have to think like maybe if you just change it into nothingness and make it very expensive then we cannot talk about the crisis anymore because like entrepreneurship is like the easiest way to start you just step yourself in a corner and say here is nothingness and you can sell it and it's and it is also because it is a precious thing nothingness just nothing nothingness it's like it should be like extremely expensive so in that sense what we need is indeed another kind of thinking another kind of language because it's really like how to talk about it and how to think about it this is from Joep van Lissau who printed his own money his own economics and building his own economics which is the question how to deal with it and where but it will open a lot because I do think that it's just a mediator the money was only there to make it more easy to discuss things if there was never meant to be the matter and it became the matter and it's the same with language this is from Hans van Halen the first written character that has doubt in itself so for the first time you can send people an email and they don't get angry immediately because there is air in between what you say it's a debate like you act and say things but the words are like to be doubted which is very nice because then you can be very clear and that's always like this giving which will probably that if you start writing with these letters how a city should be then this might be the city that you want because that's the nice thing if you change your language then it will actually also change what comes out of it because that's our negotiation is all done by language and and the not nice thing from now which I think it had his reasons but now it's all done by solicitors now it's like written down in a way that anything that might happen tomorrow that you don't want has to be written down in a contract which opens or closes down any next future because for the future you do not know what you need in your pockets big chance that the things you think is not very necessary now are probably the biggest thing you need in the next generation or the next next term so be aware with what you throw away it's better to shift it and make sure that it's still somewhere that others can act with because cars that do not drive fast like why would they still look as if they could because the biggest frustration in a car is not because it doesn't bring you from one place to another which we know now by the tom tom if you watch if you have like small queuing your time of arrival doesn't change that much the frustration is that you are breaking all the time that you have this car that says i can 200 and you can only go 50 so you are never to be able to have your feet at rest it's always like going up instead of going down and I think that's the biggest frustration also the biggest frustration is probably that you think that all the things you did wrong during the day and lost your time with in this 10 minute drive you're going to make it well you step in your car you think this is the moment that I will win back my hours of frustrations and waiting and that's what not going to happen and it's exactly again why it goes wrong so why do we think that when you go from a to b that's like an in between time no it's the time and it's part of your being that's the beauty of all the equipment that we get there is no time in between you are and you can do everywhere anything and especially with our google again a calendar you can change everything like if you want to go to the gym why should it be in the city you're always in why shouldn't it be halfway or in the beginning of your trip so to change your day it's possible because but everything is everywhere like how much things we have is that like whatever you want you want a library it's always there like the littler one but also the one that goes on the on the internet so we also have to think about what kind of cars do we actually need do we want like a car that goes fast or do we want a social car because we also know there is this amazing thing with the car it's totally from glass and you can be like very nasty to your neighbors but also to yourself you can pick your noses because it's somehow this bubble gives us the privacy that is unseen and it stops us from meeting and discussing with people and the beauty of this car done by an artist that it works on wood and it's very simple and very easy and it makes that wherever he goes he meets people so it's the first social car that's the nice thing that now that the world is so open you can question what do you really actually want do you want a social car then there's a possibility because if I take my car and change that in a social car it's like very difficult because the thing shouts for driving and and and driving fast or is it that we only want to hear like literally when we're going somewhere or is it possible to have like angels in your car if you drive drive over a road that goes through the former sea so the artist has the possibility to use like the equipment you already have but he can rephrase what we actually want and change it and it's the same if you look at this construction work that this is made out of wood with all the ornaments you can imagine if you would build a house with this as a cement one that that cannot be an ordinary house anymore but also the materials they will start discussing so we were meant to be in the in the bricks but now that we have like our cement machine that's so beautiful we will step out of the way and we want our own lives we want to act completely different as Theo Jansen does with his machines that are actually animals just made out of the tubes of plastic like very ordinary material just made for in the walls not to be seen just to be handy and that's it and he can actually give them brains and muscles and everything just by acting and spending his whole life on these kind of animals so these things are actually to protect us from the sea because while they're walking on the wind they throw some sand up gets blowing towards the dunes and they grow so these are our new gods they are taking care of us and they're taking care of that the sea level will not while it will rise but it will not rise over it but then if it becomes machine you can also think that machines will get hungry and start eating and then from there therefore is there like the shit machine which you can imagine that we all could have thought about the idea let's make a machine that can make shit which probably a lot of people do anyhow makes it so actually to change it into even a proper thing and then you can imagine you can say well okay it's a nice deal but the amazing thing by doing this actually activating it he got like a whole team of the best scientists to help him because they also thought like whoa if we make a machine that can make shit we get knowledge how it gets done and so they cooperated because they felt like whoa it's not just like a nice idea that's it there are possibilities there of knowledge so you can see that in this working society to debate is a lot easier and the question is what do we want like is it the drawing like the abstract world or is it like the actual reality which I also never knew that in any attic there is a heart that you can take out and make which I think is amazing because I always saw that an attic was just there to have all my rubbish and like to forget and not clean it up again so for me the question is do we go with all this knowledge to a hyper realism or do we go into an abstract world and what do we get out of it and what do we wish for and maybe it is time to have a manifesto again to say okay this is where we stand for this is where we're heading for and then to have the right direction machine which is the most clever machine of course that's what we needed just one machine which has been done by a student that said like I'm going to make the right direction machine and the nice thing of that is if you just start running behind it with thousands of people it will be right because thousands of people can never be wrong so in that sense it's like the ultimate way because what we do now is waiting waiting waiting making new plans is it a good plan is it a bad plan what can happen will it be the right thing it will be the right thing as soon as you go and activate it with all the people and that means that we have to think about like what is a craft what is a talent because we always think that there is only like certain amount of talents and the rest has to be done and when it has to be done it cannot grow because then no one wants to be it as long as possible and the one who is it will never grow because you always feel guilty about not having succeeded in what you do first it will be your mother you will talk to and to and then you get children then again to your children you feel a bit uncomfortable and it's like the most stupid thing because I do think everything is a skill and everything has a talent because cleaning is like the most important part because it's the only place that takes care of things and it's the first person that sees if anything goes wrong if he or she really does it well and the beauty of this project from Martin Basis that he made it into a clock but also that it becomes like a talent and when it becomes a talent then you want to get like better and better skills and better and better instruments to do it not the instruments that we say that it all gets automatically done because automatically done is like pushing with fingers and pointing out and and I do think that my finger is already like when I started already like 10 times as long because this seems to be the only thing that works well and and and probably my mouth but then that's then probably like what I do best but you feel also that it's so important to have other skills and enjoy it but also like when it would be a skill then it would also mean the enjoyment of it which would also mean that you would make the best material of it and this is a broom that we found in India which made of peacock feathers which is in our way of thinking not so clever because you think it's just for cleaning let's use rubbish material but if you use beautiful material then you can expect that it also gets nice to be done but also that the work gets easier because you can imagine that dust also have their wishes and they want to be treated well and if they get treated well they will act well and you can imagine that when you have peacock feathers and they say they'll only be there on Thursday but then they will only be there on Thursday then US dust will only be there because there's no sense in being there on Wednesday on Sunday or whatever day that's the day you're there and then you all want to be in front of it because you want to see it you want to be touched by it so cleaning becomes like extremely easy because they're all willing to go with you and I do really believe in these things so we made like pieces out of porcelain which is like very delicate and you can only use it when you do it very delicate and you can really imagine it when you would work with these things that you would become like a violin player which is also like fighting with gravity it's like being able to make the most beautiful tunes because they're so small they're small and they're never there exactly where you know so you have to feel it and you have to touch it and you can imagine if the same would become with dust that when you're cleaner would be in your place at work or at home you would be sure there because it's a beautiful way of moving it has like its qualities and then you're there and the person that actually works with it can also grow because it becomes part of a professional place where you work and where you grow which I think is the most important part of working is that it's the place where you develop yourself and when you develop you're there it can really like actually change the situation because the second project we did with this dust thinking is changing a vacuum cleaner in collecting dust making things and the whole idea with this is that if this would become like the new bags for shopping then every Sunday when we all go into the city to buy our things and go with plastic or paper bags back home to unpack it and bring it back into a cabinet and have the minute of enjoyment of the newness this would mean that we would all go on Sunday with our vacuum cleaners into the city all clean up the whole city and bring all the stuff back home and enjoy using it and you can imagine when you go Monday back into the city for your work that it's like splendid it's beautiful it's clean it it smells well and you have the enjoyment of and the shopping and the working so there are possibilities and for me it's still so strange why we still have so much energy and and pointing towards leisure like where we live although we all know we are hardly there because if we're home we're thinking where do we go on a holiday where do I go out which movie am I going to see so the home is still where we put all our energy in but it's not the place that we are the most that we use the most and and also the home is being made it's a whole production place so at the end the home is just a factory it's a factory where a lot of people came to work and that's also where I think it's so strange that so much emphasize of design is always on the leisure side on this luxury thing and the most luxurious part is still at work because if you would be like a pilot then you have a boss that will buy the buy the most expensive airplane that he can afford and you are allowed to use it so it's even it even goes with property the all the way around it's about having nothing but being able to use the best equipment ever so the beauty of this environment of work for me is really incredible because I've never made anything that comes close to this situation like the Fiat factory where they have a test track on the roof the containers that build their own cars that are so specific and so beautiful this as a way of listening to the orbit so huge ears which is then the development of like for the close and small things these other machines just to be able to see this so then you think like why are we still like working on chairs and tables and cabinets if there's like a huge field that still is to be discovered and to change into a working field because I do think that the work field and the space should be able to compete with the forest that in the morning you think so I go left to the forest or would I go right to the work and then not to think because I have to work but just because of the enjoyment of the place and the beauty of it and you see like how it already addresses to our landscape how our landscape is completely changing and not getting worse it's only getting more beautiful and even this I do think that it's just a matter of time that the the production gets cleaner and cleaner but also we know that all the materials get so expensive that no one will just bring the materials outside you will all get it and all and and uh oh I don't know the English word for it but like as a farmer collecting it and reusing it harvesting it which we already do in the in the glass houses as a as a complete closed function and even if you think about like how the computers are built and the chips are made there's no dust allowed and this is then the landscape that it makes which is like amazing in the way it addresses and also like how it will change our uniforms and therefore our behavior and then this is a project that's been done by Mo he was an artist or he was a student at the Royal College and he made a suit that on the left he's wearing the suit on the right is how he sees himself so on the back there is a camera and he really acts like in a computer game so he works in reality and sees reality through a glass and you already can imagine what happens if you add filters to it and and and think about like how you can fill reality with what is unreal or what is unreal like everything you see is real because you act towards it so the possibilities of now when we started with a computer but now the computer is already getting out of it and becoming part of the reality and it's the same that if you are an activist and against something then normally it gets a bit messy and beautiful because you want to be seen and you want to be clear that you don't like the situation but what happens if you are against something and you'd wear this suit like really nicely dressed and only addressing to the people that are open to see it was this is like the green screen so it means that through your telephone you can see what this activist is saying and then you could say yeah but then no one will listen but it's not the case it is like if you have a debate you're interesting if you're getting better in something you're interested in who is opposing your ideas but you do it at a moment that you're also ready for it which means that you don't get the frustration you don't get the ugly words you are actually starting to discuss and make things better and that's also where I believe that a big change is going to happen since the computer went from a big room into like small laptop being able to act everywhere it will happen the same with the production methods and we already see it the machines are getting extremely small which means it can go back into the city production is not anymore like somewhere outside of the city will get like inside and we'll also start the guilds again as they used to be but in guilds we always think that it's about the master and the the apprentice but that's only one part of it the main thing of guilds was the social behavior of it it was a part of a society that took care of the city that took care of the people took care of living and that was the main thing of a guild because we always think it's about this learning method but it's not it's about like how you build a community and build things so there's new girls we need new situations and you already see the first machines are really small so this is like the shoemaker we all know from the end of the 80s in the city we got all these small shoemakers where they could brush it but it could also make what was not done so actually you talked again to the one that's actually making and not some kind of a help desk that after the third question will always so you can find it on the internet so there is no answers there there's only like collecting services and saying we do our best and that's it but if you actually start being able to talk with the ones that make it then production will become like small scale but also one to one M in the city which will change our cities completely now if we want to live somewhere we always discuss like do we get like a park close do I get a school close do I get a nice road with a lot of green of that but what happens if working becomes part of the city again which means that 24 hours it's being used so it can be much denser but it can also get a total different quality and the beauty of this is it's it's a pensionated robot because the robot is not fast and good enough for mass production but for small production from one designer it's the best machine because imagine that like I still know when I bought my first Makita of my first money while there was probably the same age as he bought his first robot and then a robot like that that I think already is amazing and it's not about the size but it's also the possibilities of it and it's the same with this which is a project that makes 3d printing with clay but the other side what is really beautiful of it now I see a mishalf of it but on the right side to really mold the space is done by a laser so it means that when you touch with your hand then you can make the shape which also means again like with dancing that your behavior and like how you act with your hands will get as precise as a dancer does it's the same what I said with the cleaner like when you have like very delicate material there is no gravity to fight against anymore you have to be wearing yourself and dancing very nice and then you also know if that's the way people make things then they will also walk completely different through the streets because they have been learning from dancing which means that their behavior will be completely different so so the outcome of these things is not just the thing it's the whole landscape that will change from it it's the same if we start using edible things to also grow materials we want to use and it's not about reusing so much it's more about like small scale farming that's possible again because now a small scale farm has not to compete with all the milk that comes from a huge company he can compete by saying okay I'll take a designer and we'll use my harvest for products which I can sell a lot more expensive and therefore I can have like small scale so so it also brings like a complete different of behavior and possibilities of society or these which is all printed by roots and all the colors are made of materials that we normally eat or that we now have this discussion that we have overweight because we ate too much sugar then we can say sugar is bad and then we say all to all this farmers like okay you're not allowed to make it anymore because it's bad for our children we shouldn't do it but that's stupid because it has developed like an amazing production amazing possibilities why shouldn't we use it why shouldn't we like be able to make sugar things that are actually products again and in this time it's a jewelry but you can imagine that that's everything that you can make out of it so then you use like a production method that has been developed itself so much into reusing it so it's not bad that we had all the sweets so that we could develop this production method no it's very good but you have to reuse it now in a different system and or if you think like much more small scale here it's like a chicken that you bring and that at the end from the chicken skin you also make your jacket which is of course like a method that takes a lot of time and it's only meant for a lot of for a little amount of people but again it's like a trading situation and it's a situation where you can grow in a very small scale so small scale big scale is a thing that can be used and even the cabinet maker that makes cabinets out of old paper which is like what used to be like sharpening the knives which is like really old school almost but imagine that this can compete with the Ikea's when you go into an area that has just been there where the people start living then you need a lot of furniture and then this person could live in that place and as long as he has customers he can make it from all the papers that they read and then move to another place where he's needed again instead of having like all these Ikea's where we all go by our car to get our stuff then build it ourselves because it's cheaper but the annoyance of this building yourself is not that nice because it's all do it yourself it means that you're making a cabinet instead of something else that you do a lot better with a lot more enjoyment and it's the same if we think about like how factories actually looked because this is it's an energy maker and a house so it's like it is never meant to be like a nice living place it's a factory it's a factory of energy as this is a factory of collecting a farm was only there for the animals and for all the harvest and yes you had to live next to it and that's how this has developed so to think about these factories that are ugly and just make like straight walls is super thinking even this is like a factory that transports where people live and imagine this one this person has always a different view and and you could imagine that you would add your house to it because it would mean that probably you know that at seven o'clock in the morning it will be at Leiden in Holland and at nine o'clock it will be in Amsterdam which means that your house will not have a fixed address it will have an address where you are when you need to be there while transportation hold is so easy so it doesn't really matter where you have to go at least as you know where you're going and the beauty of this is that your view will be always different but also like the annoyance of a house bought in a place that seemed not as nice as you thought when you bought it this will never happen here because it moves all the time so there's totally different qualities and these are the qualities that when you follow them they will change your methods your behavior and also the possibilities of building so this is this what I said is annoyance of a car that wants to go 200 but only goes 25 this car will only go 10 kilometers an hour which is actually just a desk chair that has the possibility of moving itself and you can imagine that when you need when you have an appointment you can put it on and then it slowly will move to a place and you can keep on working while you are driving to your place so it's again it's like this in between space does not exist anymore because if you go slower it's a lot easier to adjust and you go as fast at the end because if three o'clock is three o'clock and if you leave at two or you leave at two uh 45 that doesn't really matter in this case so to think about like how your landscape and your behavior will change this like sketches that we make like how we think like okay if streets are not streets anymore but all squares if there's only slow traffic then it would mean that roads can be more much more graphically they are just zones that are used for certain times in certain places so then this could be a way of like changing the behavior but also changing the environment and for us because we are like we're still product designers so for me it's not as much that we want to build this but it's trying to understand like how to deal if you don't own space how do you deal with privacy how do you deal with concentration and how do you deal with the openness these questions are raised and through this we develop these kind of thinking and products and it's the same with this it's like it's instead of making a room you just have like space that you are invisible and the beauty is you yourself are invisible because you see no one else but the others who really want you they can still see you so there is like this privacy and it's the same what happens with the telephone if you work and walk and talk with your mobile phone you have the idea that you're not in the space and you see that you sit in trains you hear like the most private conversation just because you are not there anymore and and that is enough to have your privacy probably do I need to speed up so so this is the way that you can develop your things and ownership can be like completely different and the beauty again here is this is all made for our working society it's the place where you are to work trying to develop like a new landscape and a new kind of thinking and we're now in a project in in Utrecht which is the Rodsort which is which happened to be also like a Biennale and this area is really in the center and it's an industrial area it's one of the last industrial areas and they are thinking about making it slowly into a living area and then they have to make it like nicer and then you need people to enter it I don't know like I can't like I can't find the the words for it but that that you have more activities and and we are trying to find out like what are still the qualities within this area that are for production and if the production method is going to change and becoming more a small scale can we then still use this area this way and one of the first things what we did is bring the friday as a day of meeting and because there are four curators and they all have designers to work with and every friday they work there and the beauty of that is it means that we all know that this friday is getting slower and slower into this leisure day for fridays then you can do all these things you didn't you were not able to in the weekend just for you this time and I think the beauty of this is that friday becomes like a sort of an entrepreneurship you are not with your boss you're in your own place and you meet all these people they're all at work they're all thinking in the evening we have lectures so at the evening you also get all this knowledge from others but it's all meant to be like a study day rather than a leisure day and it really works extremely well in that sense and I do think that that would be such a good idea to have the friday as a new function that it's like this is the day that you're activate things all the things you have been thinking and trying during the week on fridays you can actually do them and you have this space where people will meet in a different way and we changed it like we made it into like four main things so there is like the area there's the help desk to raise all the questions from the area and the possibility there's the working landscape process you see that's something Sophie does where it's about like the knowledge and the skills that are already there and how can you change them by crossing them with other words so it's by crossing words activities and skills and see if you can develop new ones of it as someone was doing like the back landscape is working landscape eating which is about the production of food and possibilities like developing tools that that can happen and then that's like going deep into it which is more theoretical and this is one of the one of the projects that they show but also makes our identity it's just from Jurgen Urs Lehmie it's a digital spray can so it's like the activist that sprays on walls but then done through a computer which is like it's like it's like it's all the opposite of what it should be but it does it and it has like the character of the of the activist but now and there was also last