 You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications button so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live. It was rough enough living there in Tiger's Bay at that time. I was a riot at the bottom of my street We're a kid, Glenn Branagh, blew himself up with a pipe bomb trying to throw a pipe bomb, short fuse, blew the back of his head off I got involved in a few rats, not because I was a bi-person, just because it was exciting and it was happening at the bottom of my street How has the relationship with the McGuigan's now? I wouldn't fucking piss on them if they were on fire, I genuinely mean it, hate them The vaccines are fucking such a dirty business mate and people talk to me about what I want to do after and maybe managing feathers or coaching I know now for a fact I'll never manage or coach a feather just because there's too much bullshit and politics involved Moving on And today's guest we've got Carol Frampton How about it, brother? I didn't even react that much Punching again? Yeah, yeah How's things? In Manchester, in the middle of a training camp, just getting ready for the next fight Really, that's it, all's good though Two weight world champion, just announced a fight They had to be Ireland's first time possible ever Three weight world champion, how does that make you feel? It's huge, isn't it? It's a massive opportunity for me There's no one on the island of Ireland has ever done it Become a three weight world champion So me, Steve Collins and Katie Taylor are the three fighters that have done that So far one Taylor's in two divisions But the stand alone is the only three weight, would be huge And there's only been three Brits in front of me that has done it One of them, you're a countryman, Ricky Burns And the admin named that list as well, it's humongous And probably you're close to the Hall of Fame there, you know what I mean? With doing that, so that's the plan That's next level stuff I know, I never imagined it I've kind of, I just never imagined that I could do as much So I've kind of overachieved in a sense, you know what I mean? I wanted to be a world champion, that was it I've done it in two divisions and I unified and everything else that's went with it Fair play, especially coming from Northern Ireland as well I always go back to the start with my guests Where you grew up and how it all began Yeah, I grew up on a place called Tigers Bay Which is very, very close to the city centre in Belfast A full on loyalist neighbourhood I lived in a street called Upper Canning Street Which was, so Tigers Bay is here The next housing estate is the New Lodge Which is full on Republican And I lived in Upper Canning Street Which was the closest street in Tigers Bay to the New Lodge So I lived on an interface Like I used to just see all the mad shit going on when I was a kid But I started unboxing when I was seven The local club was a two minute walk from the front door So I wasn't from a big boxing family or anything like that I was just curious, I wanted to try it out And see what it was like And literally, you hear the story Like people fall in love with things And I fell in love with boxing like pretty early on Yeah, it was tough Was it in the Troubles back then in the 80s? Oh yeah, so I grew up I'm coming 34 So the Good Friday Agreement was 1998 So I was 97 I was 11 when the Good Friday Agreement was signed So I was at the back end The Troubles I grew up But I've seen a bit of it And I've seen things that I shouldn't have seen And even after the Troubles It didn't stop the ratting and the fighting in the streets That's still continued for a few years Still happens actually to this day But not as bad as it once was But yeah, it was rough enough Living there in Tiger's Bay at that time I was a rat at the bottom of my street Were a kid, Glenn Brunner Blew himself up with a pipe bomb Trying to throw a pipe bomb, short fuse Blew the back of his head off I didn't see that happening I saw, I did see What I remember about that Is seeing a crow to people around him And seeing his feet sticking out the bottom of this crow My brother's seen it happening My brother was down at the rat Probably ratting I remember seeing my brother's face And he was just standing still white Couldn't believe what he saw My dad had to pull a guy out of a rat Before a former kind of commander UDA commander in that area Got shot in the head with a rubber bullet Plastic bullet of the cops I don't know if you've ever seen these plastic bullets It sounds like a wee dopey thing But they look like fucking candles Or big thick things And they're not allowed to shoot Apparently they're not meant to shoot you Above the waist But hit him in the head My dad had to kind of pull him to safety And knows we were the first days And waited until the ambulance came And he's seen all that shit like that Do you think then going to the box And find a young garage kind of kept you away from The troubles Manote Absolutely And it was like It was fucking exciting Like it was really exciting When you're a kid Then you grow up in that environment You see You just see these rats There was always more ratting In the marching season So the summer months So as a kid You're drawn to that Like a fucking A fly to shake Or whoever you want to describe You're just drawn to that And you want to be involved And see it And it's just exciting So I was Because of boxing My old trainer, Billy McKee I respect him more than any other man in the world I was always worried He would have went fucking nuts If he knew I was being involved in rats Or doing things that I shouldn't have been doing And I was always worried about How he would react if he found out I was doing things that I shouldn't have been doing So because of that That's why I just didn't really get involved So you were scared to upset your coach? Scared to upset him Because I respected him so much Even more so than my parents Like my mum and dad Wouldn't have liked me to get involved And they would have wanted me to stay away From all that stuff But I was Just more frightened of him finding out I just have the utmost respect for the man How was your schooling? I was alright I wasn't daft I think I could have done better in school If I actually applied myself And put my mind to it Like so many people But I didn't really care about schooling Never revised for anything ever in my life Just to show up And came away with a few GCSEs And that's about it really I actually got a fucking I got an honorary doctorate from Queens University And I've got literally about three GCSEs So a lot of them A lot of them misses about that Because she's very smart She got a 2-1 in criminal Criminal justice Very very clever Just a couple of marks off of first And I've done fuck all And have an honorary doctorate Walking about with your What the fuck was it you got? The wee folder and the hat And the big robe Actually wore the robe To a fought in Vegas Two fights ago And I walked out in the robe Got it loaded up I asked Queens University could have the robe And they gave me it And I got it loaded up And we were sponsoring stuff on it And wore it out the ring In my fight against a kid Called Taylor McCreary in Vegas When was your first ever fight? When I was seven Straight away Yeah so I was good Like I was dead game And I was dead competitive Always wanted to win Whatever I'd done Football, boxing, fucking rugby Believe it or not In school I played as well And always wanted to win At anything I tried But I was seven I fought in a place A hotel on Port Stewart Which is up on the North Coast Near Port Rush And lovely scenery And I don't remember too much About the fight And up until you're eleven years old All the fights are called No decision fights So they don't want kids to cry Because they lost the fight Even if you get battered It's still called a draw at the end But you kind of know when you win And I won that fight And I just had the buzz for it It's like I used to fight in social clubs And stuff a lot And my uncles You still go to watch me And you'd always get a few quids So you'd walk around And you'd win a fight And your uncles would be firing your fibers And you'd come away with maybe thirty quids And as a seven year old You'd feel like a fucking millionaire Was your dad a boxer? Because I seen one of your documentaries I don't know if he was in the gym Or you trained at that gym My dad helps out in my old amateur club No, midland But he wasn't a boxer My dad done a stint in the army When he was a young man And then I was away before I was born But he wasn't a boxer He just got involved Because of me really And that was it But Magranda was a big Wasn't a boxer either But a massive boxing fan He used to tell me stories about There used to be professional fights In the Ulster Hall in Belfast On a Wednesday, on a Saturday night So pro fights twice a week And he says he used to go to everyone in I remember he telling me a story It's the first time I've ever seen a black man Was at a pro boxing show And you wouldn't see many black men in Belfast In the MDS And he's seen his first black man As an opponent coming in as a fighter So... He's mad Yeah, yeah, man though The ages between 14, 15 and 16 Must have been a tough time Especially if you're trying not to go down To become a pro But you've still got all the troubles Kind of was stopping at that age How hard was it to not go down the bad route And try and stay in the good path I'd say it was probably... I don't know Because of boxing I was always fearful Like I said before Of Billy McKeefe and everything I'd done But I still... I got involved in a few rats Not because I was a bad person Just because it was exciting And it was happening at the bottom of my street So I probably done a few things that I shouldn't have done It wasn't a bad kid or anything like that But boxing definitely kept me away from that I owe boxing a lot Like, you know, I'm happy now I've got a fucking nice big house I've got a lovely family A comfortable life And that's all... That's all down to me being a boxer really To boxing saved your life No, I'm not gonna say that I don't think it's one of them ones Where I saved my life or anything I always... I had a good family A man that are good people With good morals Like they would have always Try to steer me and push me away From all that stuff You'd have done something positive anyway I think so probably I thought about... When I hit about 17 I was genuinely thinking about joining the army I was very close to doing that But I just stuck a boxing out And that's it really A lot of things have kind of fell into place for me And I think you need a wee bit of luck along the way Of course, but hard work as well Your luck will eventually pop up Absolutely I'm not gonna deny it Like it's been hard getting here And I've put in a lot of effort But a lot of things have just seemed to have happened And fell in at the right time for me When did you turn pro? Turn pro when I was In 2009 In 22 22 I was So that was... Do you remember your first pro fight? Yeah It was in The Olympia in Liverpool On a matrim show Eddie Hearn Actually, it wasn't an Eddie Hearn show Fuck me, this is how long I've been boxing for Barry Hearn, his dad was the promoter of the show So I was first fight On In a four rounder Some Hungarian who was shit No one there Fucking maybe Mamada, a few of my mates In the Liverpool Olympia Which is a fucking shithole I remember thinking I've never had pro gloves on my hands before Going into this fight And pro gloves are so different than the amateur gloves The amateur gloves are well potted and soft And I remember putting the pro gloves on And just going holy fuck These are mental Like if you get hit in the head This is going to hurt And I get hit in the arm And maybe a couple of glancing shots in the head And it just kind of Open drives a bit Like this pro game is pretty deep Is that a different level from amateur to pro? Just different sport, isn't it? It's a fucking... It's a hard man sport Like pro boxing Compared to amateur boxing As a lawyer, you only fought for Northern Ireland But never fought for Britain No, I didn't I fought for Ireland Like the rugby is It's an all-island sport So I boxed for Ireland I probably could have Tried the fight for Britain, GB, but Did they make a difference anyway? So this is the story Like I think Being an all-island sport Whether you're a Protestant Or a Catholic Loyalist or a Republican If you're from Northern Ireland Or the north of Ireland As some people call it If you're from that part You're already going down the south You're already a couple of points behind Everybody from Northern Ireland Will talk to you about Getting their eye wiped Going down south And fighting in the all-island championship That's just the way it is Patti Barnes will tell you Mick Conlon will tell you So me being from Northern Ireland I'm being a pro It was always hard for me To win fights down there But it's just the way it was It was an all-island... People like Gaines-Jay Scored Cards They say they're not But I'd say they probably were But I probably Never even thought about Trying to represent Great Britain So It would have been the exact same scenario Me being... They'd have just seen me As the fucking Northern Irish guy Who he think he is Coming over here To try to win our championships That's what would have happened I'd said it'd probably been Actually worse Me trying to do that Than represent Great Britain At any major tournaments What about Olympics and stuff? I never went to the Olympics I was... There was talk of me boxing In the qualifiers For Beijing in 2008 It's one of the reasons Why I turned pro as well So The Irish champion at the time Was a guy called David Oliver Joyce And Me and him were kind of On the high performance team But he was the number one I was the number two But I was starting to Outperform him In the lead-up to the Olympic qualifiers And getting better results In all the multi-nation events So They suggested a box-off Me and him the box-off To see who goes to the qualifiers His coach Was the fucking President Of the Irish Boxing Association So the box-off never Never happened David Me and David are mates now by the way But David went to four qualifiers Never qualified for Beijing And I was kind of like So After that I boxed him In the All-Irelands And dropped him Fucking give him a stand Counting stuff in the last round As well But dropped him around before Like beat him up convincingly And it was always like me Sticking my finger up To the IAPI The Irish Boxing Association Just saying like Fuck you You should have given me a chance To the Olympics I'm not going to wait around here For London I'm just going to go pro And that's That's what I've done How hard is it when you turn pro How is it difficult Because I've had a few boxes on Some of them have worked second jobs Some of them have Try to keep their head above water I've thought about quitting So much Because there's no funds There's no backing It's a hard game Yeah, it really is And I I own my family A lot My mum and dad Like Help fund me You're not earning much At the very start My wife Literally lived off her student loan As well At the very start So I owe her A hell of a lot too But Yeah, it's hard People think Professional boxers Like Like a professional footballer They're earning They're earning though Professional Any decade Could be a professional boxer If you can hold your hands up Like Doesn't mean you're good Honestly Doesn't mean you're good But Being a good professional boxer Is a bit different Than just being a professional boxer And it takes a while Before you start earning You're very dedicated to your craft Though your work ethic I've seen your training videos And you seem to go and camp A bit longer Than other people Why is that? I do I've always done it So I was with the McGuigan's Before And that was something A day always You know, for 12 round fights 12 week camps Is something a day Thought Was good Barry McGuigan always trained long And he always had big camps And he was always like Trained like notoriously hard He's well known For his work ethic Back when he was fighting So it was something I always done Even with them I continue to do it Now when I'm with Jamie Muir Even though Jamie's telling me I don't need I don't need 12 weeks 8 weeks is Enough As long as you're Taken over at home But because I've always done it I always do 12 weeks It's worked for you though It's worked for me And I just keep doing it I think the Intensities changed With the McGuigan's Previously It was fucking every session Like Like balls to the wall Like Always fucked What is a normal session Like for you in camp? It depends It depends what stage Of the camp you're at Like as the fight gets a bit Closer The intensity increases But today Like I'm getting I'm sparring tomorrow So I had a really easy day today Just getting in preparation For the sparring But when I was with the McGuigan's I don't ever remember having the easy day So it was balls deep today Sparring tomorrow And then your second session Tomorrow after the spar Would be another killer Is you got older Do you train harder Or do you Because you are getting older Or do you take the foot off The gas a bit and rest more No, I train smarter And I don't I train I listen to my body more now And you You look at guys Like Bernard Hopkins Prem example Done very little sparring As he got older Like he won a fucking world title When he was 40 odd And he's 40 Fuck 50 He won a world title Yeah But he reduced the rounds of sparring Because he knows how to fight It's just It's just war on her and her body Joe Calzaghe Didn't spar very much either These are great I heard that because his hands are something His hands were fucked Yeah But he knows how to fight Yeah So he doesn't need to spar He just I'd imagine maybe That I didn't spar that much Because he doesn't get hot heat No, I don't think I think he I think he done more than them But I don't think He probably reduced it He used to do mad stuff Like He was super fit Like he used to do like Not half rounds Like one 30 minute Fucking spar But He had this persona As if he was a party boy And he used to go to the parties In the clubs But he didn't drink Didn't touch drugs Trained like fuck Like he'd come back From a fucking nightclub And go for a run I think that's all Mind fucking everybody Because I think two days before I fight Used to hold a budger in stuff And pretending it was eating that Or eating that But There was some method behind it Even when he was doing his training For like sky sports Used to fuck about on the pads Yeah But I imagine once the cameras were off It was It was ruthless He gets A bit of grief about People think that he's daft But He's got to be one of the Smarter Boxers in the world Like he's fucking stinkin' rich He's played the game He's played everybody Every opponent he's ever had He's just messed with Why do you think he is? He's though Because of the money Stuff, isn't it? Yeah, yeah And he shows the money about No, he's calmed down He's tamed it a bit And he's old age But He is the fighter of Of my generation Like Floyd Mayweather One of the best of all time Who did What about Steve Collins and stuff? Another Ivy's great Two-way World Champion How does the support you get When you start one in World title fights How does everybody come together? Steve's always been someone Who's supported me And I've seen him In a few events And he's always wishing me well And he's a nice guy His His brother, Roddy Collins Actually played For the football team I support So Crusaders, Sammy Perotame You've probably never heard him Never They're like the top earners 500 quid a week But it's It's fucking still real football They're like the tackle And they are actually still But Roddy Collins came And this was during the Troubles So he came from Dublin And played for Crusaders Like a prod team And they're just They're good people They've always backed me Was that a Catholic going to play For a prod team? I was a Catholic going to play for a prod team They did not get slaughtered No, from opposing fans He might have got a bit of grief But he was well respected And still is In Crusaders Yeah When you won the European title fight How was that feeling? That was big for me Because it was a It was a hard, hard fight A big Kago Martinez I think it was my Talking about this recently It was my 16th fight Because you were 16 and 0 At that point there Yeah But I was I was meant to fight I was meant to fight Kiko Originally for the European title In my 11th fight But he had to pull out He had family issues And I think his dad Had his leg amputated Which obviously Your fucking man's not right So he pulled out And he was right to do that But Me fighting Kiko I had My 11th fight I may have been a wee bit too green That's where I'm talking About these things That kind of fall into place Like him pulling out It might have been a touch Lucky for me You know what I mean Yeah Because it would have been A fucking hard and difficult fight For me and only my 11th fight Because I fought him Five fights later I'm the 16th And it was hard And I was a more experienced guy Had a few longer fights And more rounds under my belt So Like I was Remember everybody saying He'd slow down after four rounds Like just be ready For an onslaught For four rounds And he'd slow down I remember coming out for the 8th Going Where the fuck's he slowing down He hadn't slowed down yet Like I was pissing blood After the fight And knocked him out in the name for round And I just I was laying on the ropes When he was down I was just wishing like Fuck, don't get up Don't get up And he wasn't able to get up Yeah How many times Do you piss blood After a fight? Is that frequently? I hear bosses speak About that all the time No, that's the only time That's happened to me But you hear about it All the time When people are taking beatings And stuff I took a fucking Worst beating in the one-hundred Fight But I wasn't pissing blood After that one That's crazy, innit When did you get to Santa Cruz 3? Was that in your 21st, 22nd fight? 22nd 23rd I was 22 in Ogun In that fight Because you're two world Title fights that you've won As you beat undefeated fighters I think you've beat Four or five undefeated fighters Yeah, I've beat a few And I've done it the hard way And that's why This third world I haven't beat anyone For vacant titles I've always beat champions Keep them Martinez I'll weed out a few defeats He was a champion On a run When I beat him Then I fought Quig The unified division He was undefeated at the time A champion Beat him Santa Cruz Undefeated on a champion Beat him And Jameil Horan To do it For a third-weight world title He's not undefeated But he's a fucking champion And a good fighter Because I seen He's a Because I seen I don't know what fight it was I don't know if you were in Vegas And he was standing next to you Hearing What was it? 5'10", 5'11"? 5'10", with Jame compared to me Like But again then You look at Canelo and Smith That doesn't fucking mean anything It doesn't It's something that excites me Like I fought Bigger Guys bigger than me My whole career So It doesn't bother me at all And you know I think I can use that To my advantage Like It's not easy For me to get down 4 And I am 5'5", He's got to be killing himself To make 9'4", He says he's not But I just think he's fresh So you'd be faster then You must be faster Well, he's got All I think all he's got on me Reach Is reach And his physicality And his size He's just a big specimen I feel like my feeder better A punch faster A punch harder My distance control is better I feel like I'm the better fighter But his size Is going to be the big obstacle You've got something then To truly go for it You've won a world title Two world titles This is This puts you The whole time great Especially if you won Three In three different divisions I've got the bit between My teeth I've never been up for a fight As much as this in my life Because I talk about legacy And stuff all the time And this is This is the one That cements the legacy Three weight world champion This, you know people I don't want to be a flash in the pan And I want people to be talking About me in the pubs In 30 years time still And the boys say And I was at frontman's fight When he fucking beat Santa Cruz Or Jamel Hurray Or Quigg I don't know That's me being A wee bit fucking vain Or what You've got to be man To be the elite To be the one free Weight world titles You've got to be the even one One Never mind two or three Is a totally different ballgame So no doubt you have all the backing Because you're loved in Belfast You're loved all over Ireland Because the success you've brought I'm well supported And that's something that One of the biggest things That brings me most pride Like the fan base And there hasn't been There really hasn't been a fighter Since McGwigan That had the fan base From back home that I have Like I brought When I fought Keiko From a first world title They built the fucking stadium For me Like a purpose built stadium temporary stadium In Belfast A filled Windsor Park For a fight as well I brought 5,000 people To Vegas in January So just after Christmas When people are skinned Like Ricky Hutton Was an extreme He brought 25,000 To Vegas when he fought Mayweather But I brought 5,000 I don't think The only two fighters At this point in time Who could bring from the UK Bring 5,000 fans to Vegas Is AJ and Fury And I have done that Like so that's something I'm very, very proud of You should be But the ID's support Any ID's personality That's quite high up In any sport They back you to the whole I know The ID's you always have And you always will When you see Conor McGregor And shit fighting as well The people that they take With them is unbelievable Why is that? Is it just because it's fighting? No, I'm just very passionate It's a bit like I think we're very similar To the Scottish Like we're similar personalities I think I think they're just passionate And they get behind you As long as you're not a dickhead And Well And I was going to say Arrogant or above yourself I'm saying Fucking McGregor is But he's just He's a Like he's a superstar But For the most people Being from Belfast They'll support you If you're doing well I'm winning And even if you're not winning But you're doing well As long as you don't Get above your station Like we don't like We don't like Fucking show-offs In Belfast But maybe that's How you fucking He wouldn't Take it Every from Belfast No, I'm like He's the best in the world When you got your world title Shot then How was that feeling Against Santa Cruz? That was Unreal That was I just beat Quig To unify The super Band-Aid division So I went into the fight Did you beat Quig first For the world title? Yeah, I beat Quig Or was he first? I thought Santa Cruz was first No, Quig was before Santa Cruz Because you said that Was it Manchester? Manchester I watched the face-off It was The build-up Of Quig fight He's genuinely looked As if he's done it fucking Like each other There was a wee bit of Needle But again When you fight someone You get a gain of respect For them after it But Because both of you Were undefeated Undefeated, yeah I'd always fancied The Quig fight He was British champion When I was coming up And I always wanted to Fight him for the British title But he never would And I fought a guy called Alejandro Gonzalez in Texas Who I was meant to blow away Everyone Everyone thought it was going to be easy But this kid Dropped me twice In the first round And that's the only reason Why Quig wanted to fight me Like he never wanted Anything to do with me And then he seen this kid Put me down He thought I'd fucking destroy Frampton now So that was kind of a blessing Like again Falling into place Blessing this guys for me Same reason Why Santa Cruz Wanted to fight me Because he never showed Any interest before And Because of the fight Me getting dropped He wanted to fight me So I beat Quig And Santa Cruz I think off the back Of me getting dropped Because you and the Quig fight Was like five years Making It should have happened A long time before But I'm kind of glad It took so long Because it was for world titles Because you came out To trash flying First six rounds Seven rounds It was an easy fight It was the strangest Techniques in the world From them And like I was I was there At the weight Like eight stone ten I was making then I was fucked Doing the weight And He I don't know I'd won The first six rounds By doing fuck all Like I was It was easy Like I remember Going back to the corner And sitting down And speaking to Shea McGuigan And he said Look You're fucking winning the rounds You don't have to like Overdo it Just conserve your energy If this is easy Just let it be easy Strange tactics from them And so he didn't start The second half of the fight And then It was already too far gone But that was That was one of my easiest fights I've ever had, I think But again, it was a split decision How are you feeling When he got one of his scorecards? So that was I remember You must have been ashamed yourself Because it was in his back garden What the fuck I know What's going on here I couldn't believe it One of them give it to him 115, 113 So two rounds There's no way to score I fight this guy quick No doubt in my fucking mind Like I don't Understand how that's happened And people talk about backhanders In this game and all I don't know But it was a strange one And then the other two Saw it correctly And gave it to me Is that a lot of that happened though Scorecards getting fixed for Fights I don't know if they're Like fixed You know, we You go back to like The 50s and the 60s And fights were fixed Like the mob in America Were involved in fights And match fixing And telling people to take a day The famous one Ali and Sonny Liston That was meant to be Mob involvement But There's just I don't know if it's still going on But yeah Look at Tyson Fury And Wilder I think Tyson Fury Fucked him up Of course he did And then how that became a draw There's too much money involved You think There's so much money involved There's no And whether that's There's dodgy stuff Going on behind the background I don't know Or a lot of time We can just be Incompering Fucking judging How do you think the rule Should change You should have more judges Or do you think There should be different But I think When someone gives a scorecard That's so So wrong I think then You should either be Giving a warning If you do it again You're never allowed to Be involved in boxing Never mind a big fight Just fucking boxing Like get rid of them Because it could ruin Someone's career Right down at the bottom Because as well Would it not be good To get like The scorecards Each round So if you know If you're a winning Or you're ahead So you know You can put more in Because boxers have Used to do it in the amateurs Give you the scorecards In between the rounds And you kind of do And then the stop Doing that as well Because Olympics used to get Points while hitting Yeah You've got it off idea And that's changed again That's kind of more Towards a professional But that's I don't know There's There's arguments For all different reasons To change things And change the scoring But it's something That needs to be looked at Because I think That scoring It's been Got pretty bad And Britain is Turning to be Fucking Britain's Some of the scorecards And Britain is bad Last year was terrible Used to be Germany Like a fighter Would never go to Germany Because you know You're going to get robbed But if I was a foreign fighter I'd be thinking I don't want to go to Fucking the UK There's no chance of me winning So how is the relationship With Quigg after that fight You seem to have got on No too bad He's alright Quigg's a strange one Because I don't mind him He's a bit dim He's fucking He's a bit daft But it's like Anytime I see him Would always say hello But I was in Boston My mate was fighting Tommy Coyle in Boston And I was overwatching him I walked into the hotel And Quigg was already there Because he was Was he on the bill Or was he overwatching Anyway he was there And he's Every time I see him For the first time He kind of growls at you a bit Like and snarls And looks at you And tries to stir you out Until you say Well Scott how you doing And then he'd shake your hand But it's like Awkward It's just fucking weird There's no need for it Everyone else is nice You know we had a fight It was a few years ago And I like just forget about it Still holding a grudge I don't know it's weird Strange So after the Santa Cruz fight You won the world title Yeah Seconds weight Yeah World title How was that feeling That was massive That was a lot of pressure on you No there wasn't Because He was a big favourite Getting into the fight So there wasn't loads of pressure If I'm being honest I'd just unified the division before Going to New York I think there were 35 American journalists asked Who's going to win the fight And 34 picked Santa Cruz So they all thought he's going to win the fight Did you heal this Before the fight I kind of knew about that How does that That's alright There's just no pressure I think it's better to be In that situation As the underdog Why do you think you're so much An underdog Especially get in 22 and 0 Because of the Well Santa Cruz was one of the Biggest names in boxing At that stage Probably top 10 Pound for pound in the world Two fights before That had just been dropped By that Alejandro Gonzalez kid That's the reasons really I was in America as well I was the foreign fighter Yeah that's probably why So it kind of was a weight Off my shoulders Always fighting at home Always been the favourite You just There's more pressure In them situations I think How was it in the rematch Your first defeat It was bad It was hard to take Santa Cruz was good that Yeah he was very good He out thought me And it's Something that still annoys me Because We never changed tactics In the fight And even the instructions They got in the corner I don't think were great And I'm not I hold responsibility And say that I was the fighter I lost the fight And I did But You know We just need to Work together better As a team The instructions weren't great I think Shane McGuigan Actually maybe says That he wasn't on it As he had been previously And we thought that Leo was just going to Like he applies a lot of pressure Through a lot of punches So we thought that He's just going to do More of the same this time But he's kept things longer And he was much better And he fought me in the second But it's not a good fight But he He won it Can you get our fight Too confident Yeah absolutely I went into the fight Against George Warrington With No one It's going to be A hard fight Like I knew he was fit And he was tough And I knew like It's going to be a long, long fight Like a 12 round hard fight I'm going to be tired after this But I never expected him To be able to hurt me Like nothing in his record Suggested he's a puncher He hurt me more than I've ever been hurting a fight before He came out the traps flying He rocked you the first round I've had Josh on To be fair I love Josh to bits Man he seems to be Tough as nails Man in His back story as well From working Still working even when He turned pro To kick on And I think he's One of the most underrated I don't know why he's not As big as what he is Massively underrated Massively underrated And he's one of the most Exciting stares In Britain But me and him Have a great respect For each other He's fighting this Kanzu I think Jenny's fellow Who throws as many punches As him I can't wait to see That fight I think it's going to be A cracker But I fancy I just It's something that annoys me That I went into a fight Thinking He can't hurt me He hurt me inside A fucking minute Yeah, he came out flying Flying, yeah Yeah Like he hurt me a number of times And that fight is just So why is he not getting He's loved and leads And I think His career will grow as well I think his majority's fights He's been underrated Do you ever feel When you were fighting Santa Cruz And you had the 33 to 35 For the reporters saying Do you think that's where The mentality of How fucking show those people who Maybe it is But I don't know Like Josh beat Lee Selby Brilliant win He beat me Brilliant win He's now Getting ready to unify The title And I hope he goes on And does it Maybe that's when People will give him a respect He deserves Because he does deserve it He's done it Like he's done it I'd say when he turned pro I don't know what He really wanted to do When he started pro Did he ever believe He was going to be a world champion I'm not sure Because he wasn't from A great amateur background Or anything He'd done it Like he won earlier titles English titles Like he went right up Through the fucking ranks And he's beat me Lee Selby Few other top names And he's about to Unify the vision Do you ever get a rematch With Josh? I'd love it At some point And I like being involved Like I always wanted to be Involved in a fight Like the Warrington fight Like a fucking war Like Morales Barrera But at a leg day of one Of it as well Like you know what I mean But it's Something You get a fucking real feeling I don't know You just feel You feel like a hard fucker Even The fact that he didn't drop me Like he was close to drop me A few times And the fact that I was able to stay up I get a bit of Your character I get a bit of satisfaction Out of that I always say it with Boxers out of that Fucked How is it for Your wife to watch out After the Warrington fight She's promised That she'll never go back To watch me fight again Did they get scared? I watched her Sitting ringside And the first time I watched the Warrington fight back I watched I guess she was Sitting in the front row I watched her more Than I watched the fight She was fucking You know her head Turning in her Covering her eyes And she just said I can't I can't put myself Throughout again And I completely understand that Even if she did Want to go She's a type of person Like she's very stubborn If she did want to go To any fights Because she's already said She's not going I know she'll not go If she ever told you Right enough's enough She'd love to Meet a retire After a big Kiko Martinez For the fucking world title In 2000 Was that 14? Just looking after you basically Yeah yeah And she's a good girl Like she really I should listen to her A bit more Not about retirement But in other things In other things She's always got My best interest at heart Like I see Fucking people I think everyone's my best mate If someone shows me A bit of interest I think this guy's alright But There are a lot of people Who are looking They're running for different The gender Everybody's looking Something And when the shit Does hit the fan It's always your mess He's your family That said it to you So Like my man Dad Would never get involved In anything My dad's my best mate But he just Stares out at all that stuff But Christine Is one of the most honest People I know Should always keep me right But she Or somewhere like I trust everybody She doesn't fucking Trust anybody So I think if somewhere In the middle That was a team work then So It must be difficult Because if you've put 20 years Over 20 years into your craft And you start Hitting world title fights Obviously the money Comes in more So you want to secure Not just your own future But your kids Their kids It's difficult Because Now you know That every big fight You're getting There's going to be A big pus for you And look You want to Obviously Boxing Boxing People talk about The belts And everything else Legacy is very, very important To me But obviously Having a secure life For my kids And hopefully Earning enough money That my kids are comfortable When I'm gone And dead and buried And potentially Even our kids Have a few Quit out the back of it You know what I mean If they invest money Correctly And do the right thing So I'm I came from A family who had nothing And I'm in a different position now Where I have some money And hopefully We'll be able to use it Where easily And my kids Will benefit from that too They must be proud of you Your dad must be buzzing My dad's like Others are so much He does never, never He's like Always good Old school tough man I imagine the same As fucking Glasgow parents Like they don't Like I've never I don't think I've ever Hugged my dad Ever I don't remember I'm sure he did Hug me when I was a baby But I don't remember Ever hugging me I actually remember When I went to fight Kiko For my first word title I was just about to get The ring And she fucking walked out In front of me And with her arms weighed About to give me a hug And I'm like Why the You've never hugged me I don't ever remember You hugged me Why the fuck You're doing it now On TV I'm about to go The biggest fight in my life I remember thinking See if I lose this fight She's getting blamed Hi But it worked out It worked out in the end Where does this nickname The Jack will come from? My mate called me Carlos was my nickname What I call Carl So Carlos Oh fuck Roberto Carlos Was fucking In his pump at the time I'm not comparing myself To Roberto Carlos You play left back But it was alright I used to play defender Centre midfielder Left or right back And it was I was alright at the football And I used to get stuck in But I wasn't like Roberto Carlos It was alright like But So I could call Carlos Anywhere And then Carlos the Jackal Is a fucking Infamous Colombian terrorist I think My mate called me Carlos the Jackal And then he used to just He was the only one in the School of Gag Whole Margueritaamson Used to call me Jackal No one else did And then when I had to Think of a Nickname Boxing Nickname McGuigan actually asked me What nickname do you want And I suggested Jackal And he thought it was good I was out just stuck How has the relationship With the McGuigan's now? Oh, it's dead Does it fuck now? No, there's no relationship I'm just out of a court case With him Which was settled It was just so upset Also no one can say They won or anything But what I can say Is I'm very fucking happy With a settlement I can say that So But There's no relationship I fucking despise them All of them hate them And Just a word It's sad that It is sad That always happens With boxers and trainers And when it comes to money And fucking this People just Why is that? I like to think of myself As a nice guy And I trust everybody And Like I love these guys Like I had Shane and Jake McGuigan As Groomsmen At my wedding I was a Groomsman At Shane's wedding So like brothers basically Yeah, yeah Pretty much But I have a deep hatred for them now And all of them And I wouldn't fucking piss on them If they're on fire I genuinely mean it Hate them How about that then To start a new camp With different trainers Um Does that give you a new lease of life though? Or is it hard To get different tactics? I think it did But I think So When I left the McGuigan's And I had no one for Maybe two months And I was thinking About what trainer Was going to use My dad actually suggested Jimmy Moore Like I hadn't even thought about Jimmy Moore Because at the time He was only training Tommy Coyle Who was his one fighter Um I had thought of I had Adam Booth was in my head As one of them Is that a great trainer? A great trainer Um Who has Pete Taylor Who's Katie Taylor's dad Yeah And Ishmael Salas Who trained David Heian stuff for a while They were the three guys That was in my head My dad suggested Jimmy Moore And I went, that's a fucking good show I was in I was in Vegas for Mayweather McGregor And I phoned Jimmy And said Look, you'd be interested in training me And I went there Thinking I'll do a week with him I'll do a week with Booth Do a week with Taylor And a week with Salas And see who fits best I can try you But I just trained with Jimmy And I just said I'm happy here I like what they're talking about I like the direction They want me to go Like the things they're saying And they're fucking good people And I'm genuinely delighted That I'm going to move Because they're I never enjoyed boxing When I was with McGregor There's interviews And he's talking about retiring Like, I can't wait till I'm 30 Because I'm going to fucking retire I hate this game Was it the training that was hard? Just training too hard Like for the quick fight I'd done 220 rounds of sparring I used to spar welter weights And light middle weights Have these gym wars And just be fucked all the time But then would you have won those titles If you didn't do that? Well, I know But I think when When you're younger You can get away with that But as you get older You can't do that anymore Like Barry McGregor retired When he was 28 or 29 And he talks about Like he's spoken to me about How hard he trained And he puts it down To being burnt out at a young age Like 29s at a young age To retire as a fighter That's your claim I believe Yeah, so he knows Because he thinks he burnt himself out But the training for me Was similar to what he was doing So it was a bit contradictory A wee bit But What they were Barry's a very knowledgeable boxing person Like he knows fucking boxing And said out Shane is a very good trainer as well I believe And I've openly said that But You know, I'll always be honest And I'll say that They're very good boxing people But I just don't let go Just other politics say this But like we are doing now You've got another world title fight Coming up How was it fighting your hometown Windsor Park? Unreal I've always wanted to do that That's something Well not always But when I started to get When did you start thinking Right, I can sell this out Yeah, so When I started to do The Odyssey And I was selling out The Odyssey Which is 9000 But I was selling it out In fucking a week and a half I fought Keiko Outdoor In a purpose-built stadium 16000 that held Sold that out quickly So I started to think I started to think around that time I started to do the Odyssey quickly I started to think I could do Windsor here I think I could against the right opponent So I'm a big Northern Ireland football fan So I was thinking Everybody that supports Northern Ireland The football team will want to go to my fight Just because it's Windsor Park Plus I've got a fan base on myself That don't support Northern Ireland They'll want to go So we'll sell it out definitely It was a long time coming And after I left McGuigan I spoke to a few different promoters Eddie Hearn and Warren Were the two that was kind of Thinking about who do I go with here I ended up going with Frank Warren And the question I asked both of them Is can you deliver me a fight at Windsor Park Both of them said yes But it was war on a choose So just the goods How about they two hit each other as well don't they I don't think like Because I've had the big Tony Bill And he hits Frank He hits Frank So you're not even just Politics with your trainers You've got politics with your promoters And managers Is it that difficult Instead of just You just want to fight basically Boxing is a fucking Such a dirty business man And people talk to me about What do I want to do after And maybe managing feathers or coaching I know now for a fact I'll never manage a coach a feather Because there's too much bullshit And politics involved I like to do a wee bit of punditry I'm starting to do a wee bit more With Sky and BT You've got your own podcast Which we'll plug You're also on the break now Because you're training It's on a break It's coming back Well we don't know that We don't have a new name for this one It used to be TKO So we don't have a new name for a new one Inside fighting Actually we do have a name Fuck me I don't even know Inside fighting is what they call it So me and Chris Lloyd I've got a wee fucking YouTube channel What's the name of it? What's the name of it? YouTube channel I think just Karl Frampton I don't know Karl Frampton What was the description anyway For people to tune in I've got two and a half thousand subscribers But I feel like a content Deserves more subscriptions It takes time It doesn't even mean See do you know what Subscribers mean fuck all It's all the content And just what's the contents there And you know the names And all the people to get in To then just build it It takes time We're going forward to the podcast Because the last one TKO with me and Chris Done with some great names on it Who'd you have on? We had fucking Kurt Angle Yeah that's right The Rassler was a brilliant one That was my favourite one Our first ever one we'd done Was Chris Eubank Sr. And How's Chris? I think he's alright But I didn't I spoke to him for an hour And didn't know what the fuck He was talking about And I sat there thinking Like is every show gonna be like this I can't do this And We had Jamie Cargher David Hay Yes We've had some big names And I think It's gonna be a wee bit different This next one Obviously it's a boxing podcast But we're gonna get all our guys in With different ideas Of who we wanna get in And maybe get you on as well Oh come on man not a problem Yeah I think Chris Who I do it with is He's a nice guy He's a nice guy Very very knowledgeable Especially about boxing He does all the research For me it's the easiest job in the world Because I'm just saying I just fucking butt in Every now and again So I don't even have to do any research Chris does all Is that what you want to do A little presenting stuff Like Sky Sports after this I like the punditry For you know Work with BT And Sky A bit And I keep getting offered More fights now Than I used to I think they know You know I'm at the end of my career You maybe start to do A bit more of this I've done stuff for Radio 5 Live And stuff Yeah I've got a fight here This weekend actually Fucking my mate Is fighting The big Thor You know how the Game of Thrones The Jad Stevie Ward Is fighting him This is like a fucking Three threes YouTube fucking fight But they're mega These YouTubers Not getting slaughtered But they're making millions I take my hat off to them But some of them can Some of them can scrap Some of them can fight But definitely I think that a bit cheesy I think it can ruin Boxing is an art It's a craft But again If it's thrown in By their audiences Because of the way The thing's going How are you finding it as well With no fans That's grim It's I was I thought I was looking off the fight In August So a lot of people Haven't thought While Covid has been happening So Boxing Show has been cancelled everywhere So I was looking off the fight And got a payday I fought a kid from Aberdeen Actually Darn Trainer And I was just That was a good fight It wasn't a bad fight Darn's like a couple of levels Below me No, no I'm getting a few Few defeats Who was the boy you fought Not so long ago Was undefeated The young boy Oh, black guy in America That's Taylor McZaren In Vegas He was good He wasn't bad I fucking broke both hands Well actually my left hand Was broken into that fight And then I broke my right hand About the seventh round So two broken hands In that fight Do you feel that I couldn't throw my left hand I hardly done anything My left hand Do you know If somebody's broke their hand Would you know You might have a feeling Like you might know If he stops throwing it as much Like I done well They went that fight so clearly With two broken hands But I fought this darn Trainer Fella in your call No crowd It's hard to get her a second gear I was just like a spar It was shit Yeah That must be difficult It's a weird time But hopefully fans in that Hopefully fans in soon I think a lot of it Was to do with a level Of opposition too Not to discredit him But my next fight Will probably be with no fans But it's for a world title Against a great fighter So I think I'll be a bit more Switched on How are you feeling now You're looking sharp You're looking sharp I'm about I got wed the other day I was ten stone two The fights at nine four So I'm under a stone over Which is Sounds a fair bit But it's not really For a boxer So I'm where I need to be I'm fit My lungs are good I'm sharp enough Inspiring So I'm just starting to ramp Of things up How long has that been Feet getting planned for Because you've been speaking About this for two or three years I've been talking about this Since Probably 2018 No, about 19 So summer Well, they started They initially talked about it After the Warrington defeat So early 2019 Then the plan was Like go to Superfaderweight Jamel Hurring is the one We want to target And that's It's been talked about But The fight Like has actually been Really talked about For about a year Where we probably Because of COVID We would have already thought If this hadn't happened But it is what it is Do you ever doubt yourself When you got your second defeat Did you think This is it I need to take it off Or just what Keep going After Warrington In my head I was retired For about Two or three weeks I was a retired fighter I hadn't made an announcement But I was like I don't want to do this anymore And then I started And I thought about it rationally Sat down with my wife And sat down with team And Just said Like That wasn't me I've had a great career It would be shit to go out On an end And like that Like getting beat up By Josh Warrington And I knew I knew it was better Than that performance And I knew there were still More to come So I spoke to everybody And said I believe I can still Win a world title And that's what I intend to do And I've gotten close enough Like I've got myself in the position again I'm one foot away From Being able to call myself a world champion So is that what happens though If you get a loss Do you just Like stay in the house And kind of Gather your thoughts And think What am I going to do now I don't know I was half depressed After that loss It was hard to take And You know Christine helped me a lot And I wasn't depressed Like I'm not going to say I was Depressed a bit extreme But I was very down But You just had to think about it And I thought about it And it just Came up with a plan on my team We'll go to superfader weight Go division up And fucking Try to become a world champion again And it's close to happening How hard to equip a division I don't think it's I don't know I was always so When I was My first division was Super Phantom weight Eight stone ten Killed me To do that weight So the next division Is nine stones It was only four pounds So It wasn't hard for me But nine stone Now I've kind of grown out of Fader weight as well And now I'm a superfader weight Nine stone four So I don't think it's It's not that hard for me What's your ultimate feat What's a feat in your mind That you would love Windsor Park Well there's talk of If I beat Well not if I beat I'm going to beat this Fuck Archimel Haran But Shakur Stephenson Who's one of the Like fucking hottest prospects In boxing They're talking about him Like Being just like You know Similar like Mayweather was Back then Like he's a very very good Fader Young gun If I beat Jamel Haran Him at Windsor That would be a fucking good one Would you like to see Newt at Windsor That's That's probably the plan Windsor Park because I think that This feat with Jamel Probably not going to be a crowd It's going to be in London I think I'd like to finish With a feat at home In Belfast And do it Do it at Windsor Park Go downweight again No stay the same way No stay the same Stay the same And the fight Probably my next fight If I beat Jamel Haran He's got the belt And the champion But the next fight The monetary is Shakur Stephenson So that's a huge fight A huge fight And you're training Spot on just now No I'm feeling good I'm I'm where I need to be I know kind of in my head I do these runs at home In Belfast Called the Key of Hills Was a big hill And depend on how well I can do it I can I can know When I'm ready to fight And I've been smashing The Key of Hills So I'm close I'm close to being fight ready Yeah Still a wee bit off How difficult is it To be away from your family That's the hardest bit mate I'm away now How many kids you got now Two wee boy and wee girl So I know I watched a live video I don't know if it was last week On an old one When you're doing a live There's some news report And your wee man came out And he did his ass weight My wee boy's a funny bastard He's a character now Like But He's He's fucking He's hard work And but I've left her I feel like I've Deserted them Like I've left her at home Alone Home schooling two kids And I'm cooking I'm over here training It's hard It's the hardest bit But If you have When you've got belts And stuff in a house Man it must make Your kids Jank the wee man Would you ever Put a minute box in Do you know what I wouldn't try To keep them away But Shark Fucking infested game It is Full of rats as well I've met some good people And the people I'm with Now at the minute Are great people But there's some There's some sharks in this game So I'm not going to be Forcing them into it I'm sure he's going to ask a question At some point And want to have a go So I'll bring them down to the club And let them have a go My wee girl actually I think She's very, very sporty She'll get the age Where she'll want to Probably tackle it too And have a go at boxing The women's games rising though It's massive And a lot of it down to Katie Taylor And she's a huge name And such a lovely girl And wee the girl in our gym Called Shantel Cameron Who's just won a world title And I know a big Savannah Savannah Marshall She's amazing as well man She's a great girl And she can fight like fuck She's the only one I think she'd be Clarissa Shields That's right And they're all fucked up She's going to fight I think she's She just beat the Scottish girl there I think she's trying to Get the one in America So Clarissa Shields She beat her before She beat her in the amateurs That's right So the women's Women's games It's fine And I know my wee girl Will want to have a go at it But fuck me I couldn't stand this here With a black eye Or busting my breath Yeah You're sitting there raging So Through all that mate You've had a Phenomenal career Phenomenal Especially from Being in Northern Ireland And through all the troubles At the time to try And keep the head What's the plans after boxing Have you fought out that far I don't know Hopefully I'd love to walk in The fucking punditry gig With BT Or Sky Or someone We'll get this podcast going Me and Chris I don't know I don't want to do too much I'm away all the time I like to sit in my arse And relax for a while anyway So How hard is it For a boxer To think that I need to pull the curtain shut Is that very difficult I think it's hard for a lot But I don't Like I'd like to say that I'm not daft And I know When is the right time to get out And I know that It's not right now But it's not too far away So Is that hard Because you see a lot of boxer Coming back in their 40s Some in their 50s I watched the Mike Tyson fight I thought he was actually brilliant Yeah he looked good I thought he looked great But That's Something I hope I don't know how to do Do you battle with that though Because you're a fighter And it's in your blood I don't know I don't think Like I don't like training I train because I fucking have to Because it's my job So I think I'd like to sit On my arse And chill out for a while I think I could I think I could If I have something to do See if the podcast Like once a week or something Being away Yeah just keep busy That would be enough for me But These fights All the old timers coming back And I know they're not Like They're fights But they're not real professional fights But They're making fortunes For a platinum Like Roy Jones and Tyson Made a fortune About Tyson And Van Der Holyfield now And I don't know what I would ever do Maybe Till he won't fight What we'd come back for Barring Wigan fight I'm making one We're making a few quits as well That would be mega Would you love to So that's basically Just put the beds before them Then And then That's just done I Yeah I'm sure I'll see them At things Because we're In this boxing game But I just I don't Is there any boxers out there Who you've came across And you've absolutely hated them After the fight still There was a kid called And he's probably the only one Chris Chris Avalos An American I fought And he was a loud mouth And he was a He was a fucking prick His I had to press conference His family were Horrible people too Just arseholes His mother I think it was Picked a bit of chewing gum Out of her mouth And just Fucking threw it at me From the stage Just There were dickheads And I remember thinking I'm in the fifth round Like he had to get the oxygen mask on And he was fucked And Like brought out Wasn't even in the ring When I was getting my hand raised Like he was already fucking Stretchered out And I remember going into that fight Thinking I'm gonna knock this fucker out And I'm not gonna shake his hand After the fight He can fuck off You know everyone There's all animosity And then everyone hugs And stuff There's always a bit of respect But It didn't Turns out it didn't have to do it Because he was Stretchered out What was it like fighting in Vegas Vegas is magic I love it It's one of my favorite players in the world Like You know, fucked in the MGM Never ever imagined That was gonna happen Thought You know, your name up on lights Would fucking say They have a copper field On the MGM From the ground It's magic Like I remember actually Floyd Mayweather Was at the fight So he was at the fight Watching me and Santa Cruz And he done an interview And So I think I think the MGM It's not the biggest stadium in the world I think it holds about 12,000 And it was probably 10 There at my fight So plenty Plenty of support obviously And plenty of people watching But I done an interview with Mayweather At ringside And says You know, this is amazing You know, we haven't seen A British fighter Bring as many fans over To Vegas since You fought Ricky Hutton And all he said was Yeah, but there was no empty seats When I fought Ricky Hutton He just walked away The cheeky bastard Yeah You got to give him credit He fought Mayweather Hutton sold that out himself He wasn't fucking Mayweather Sold that out He fought in Manchester There was Will Hutton Did they not He fought He fought He done 55,000 But he was Hutton was an enigma Like he's fucking Why is that Some fans grasp To certain people Because there's one of the lads Kingdom Entity One of the lads Keeps that fucking Trains hard Exciting fighter But has the same mindset As he did When he was on the house And the steak growing up And that's why And that's why they love him Because you look at Joshua He's kind of the poster boy The body And kind of he's never in trouble Then you've got Tyson Fury Who's had depression Been bang on the Charlie And fucked it And then come back fighting But yet He's more relatable Yeah, he is It's not mean Because everybody's kind of struggling Hutton was There's no one I don't think there's anyone Ever going to get to the level of Going to have the fan base That Ricky Hutton had It was insane what he done Yeah Absolutely insane That was phenomenal man Do you think he Could have went further though If he didn't Because his weight used to Got him down that Is that bad for a boxer Yeah, absolutely He's a dude You know, I would go Half a stone No, but two stone Over fighting with Which is enough Hutton used to do four Yeah So Four fucking stone I don't know Carrie Kay Who does my cuts He's my cut man He was Ricky's nutritionist And he says It was just a battle To lose weight Not getting ready You weren't getting ready For a fight You were getting ready To make weight So He says it was a battle And obviously It's a fight You can only do that For so long Like four stone Every single camp You lose It's got to be bad What about this guy You're fighting And would you think His fight will be I don't know I think Will be a similar way I don't think he's going to be Much bigger than me I'll be going in the ring So Fights at nine stone four Both way at nine four I'll be going in the ring At ten stone He'll be going in Maybe ten two Or something like that Push up production for that A win I'll always predict a win But I feel like I could Get rid of this guy I'm just Up this one Really up for it I fucking do my best Whatever it takes To have my hand raised Like that's what I'm going to do And no matter the outcome Once you win after it This is the kind of icing on the cake So after it comes after this It's a bonus Yeah Could you go up another level Nah Too much I'm looking at my realest I'm fucking They're too big up there Lightweights Fucking Tefimo Lopez That Lopez is a different animal Who was the boy You got the body shot Dunham last week Two weeks ago Luke Campbell Dropped by Garcia Garcia and our Big lump They're too big He's boys I'm too young as well probably Me and Horan I'm 34 next birthday I think he's He's about the fucking Same age as my dad I think he's fucking Both of us are middle aged So through all that amazing career brother What's your plans for the future? After all I know you want to do The kind of Entertainment Kind of things you have Any more kids Are you kind of settled? I don't know I'd love an orchid But I don't know Do you feel as if you miss A big part of the life I miss so much Of my kids' lives Growing up I think My Mrs always says Like If I had her retired When it says it was going to Retire at 30 We'd have maybe had four kids But It's too hard Leaving her and me Going to the camps all the time And leaving her with Three or four kids So I'd like an orchid I'd like I'll try and twist her arm Like but I don't know I don't know Listen brother I'll come along today Telling your story I'm buzzing for your next fight Mate you will win And once you're back on again With that title We'll take it from there But I'm happy to come on Your podcast For anybody watching I'll leave all the links in the description For any young boxer Maybe young kid Coming It's Try to be a boxer What advice would you give for them? Always remember That it's a hard sport It's tough And they get to the top You have to make Like anything You want to succeed in You have to make sacrifices But It's a fucking hard sport And if you want to Make a career out of it Understand now That You're going to make sacrifices And you're going to be Fucked a lot of the time Because it's a hard game But It's all been worth it for me Yeah Carol Listen all the best Your next fight brother Take care