 The Southern and Middle Belt Leaders Forum has described the governor of Delta State, Senator Dr Ifanyo Kowa, as a traitor for accepting his nomination as vice-presidential candidate to Artiqua Pubaca in the forthcoming 2023 general elections. The group said that Kowa was among the governors who agreed that power should be rotated to the southern part of the country, based on the principle of fairness, justice and equity, that accepting to be the running mate of the Northern candidate was unfortunate. Ifanyo Kowa in a joint statement said, Kowa was jeopardising the political future of the people from the southern parts of the country. We are joining us to discuss this. Odozi Mawdozi is a former president of Ohanezindibu F-City Chapter and Aladotum Hassan is the global president of the Yoruba Council worldwide. Thank you so much, Mr Hassan, for joining us. Well, the pleasure to join the program. Great. Aladotum. Great. Let's start by this position from Ifanyo Fere, of course, Mawdozi is going to speak on Ohanezindibu's position. Why is Okoa being seen as a traitor, even though it's been clearly stated that he was part of those who asked for power to be rotated to the south? We also see that most of these southern candidates did not necessarily make the cut, except for the candidate of the All-Progressive Congress and, of course, Governor Pitabi of the Labour Party. Well, I'm also forced at religious past that the elders of the Bala and the Mithismeg by Ifanyo Fere and Aladotum Hassan, who in their wisdom feel the need to see the south in terms of due recognition when it comes to the political rotation of the president. But be that as it may, the Ifanyo Fere and Aladotum is not a caveat against the fundamental rights of other political interests, considering the, the, the, the, the, the politics and all the processes that led to the emergence of presidential candidates and vice presidential candidates of the PDP and that of all other political parties in the same way. To Rose from the Yoruba Council worldwide, we don't feel slighted by the fact that who are, is elected by the party. And I don't see him as a traitor. My own capacity I don't see him as a traitor. He has only played during, into the, through the rules and the interests of the party. There are a lot of south-eastern candidates as the vice of the electorate. But it delegates elected those that if you, there are the ISB there when it comes to the money or when it comes to the political interest or the political permutation. So for any reason whatsoever, if you are not a party, an active player in that political party, you can, you don't have the right of challenging them except to go and pick up the card of their party. Then you can now begin to express your right. So be that as it may, even at that end, if the demand for vice presidents from the PDP should not even be something that to be negotiated upon, if PDP were to have been given, because initially they had wanted to stone the party's interest to the region. Later they opened it, later they stormed it to the north part. And it is also going to upset the, the, the, the balance structure of the ongoing government which is probably not a region. We cannot solve the region for ATS, and another ATS again, but another man, it's not possible. So PDP would have played a trick or game rather than writing it on a koa. A koa has nothing in this interest. Just as the PDP did the same thing, it would have fallen on the, on the Senate president who had allowed the, the National German National issues in that, in question. But be that as we believe, let's not overheat the policy. The koas are the fundamental rights. They let him play by the rules. It's partly from the ego. It's partly from the doubt. And just like we had Jonathan. I want to come in, I want to come in quickly. I want to come in quickly. Okay. You made very interesting point about the fact that a koa is just being a party man. Just for, just as you made reference to the elders of the authentic group, I'm guessing that also you have members of authentic or people from the Southwest and the South South and the Southeast in the PDP, as you also have them in the APC and every other political party. And I'm just curious, if they had pulled their weight, if they had done the groundwork, would, would a certain candidate not have emerged or again, like we always say politics is a game of numbers. So why be grudge and a koa when within the party, those who are from the zone did not necessarily do their homework. I'm just asking. No, no, no, let us take it from this party. The best bet of the Eastern candidate or Eastern after us would have been Peter will be of the, from the PDP if he had not become to the liberal party. The, the orange, the campaign of Peter will be of spectrum of the execution of the elder or some other interest within the, the enclave of the PDP. Yes, we have the files, I am filed. We have another accurate, accurate that contested that are from the Eastern zone. For being that at his meals, the elders of our secondary have the opportunity to look at another candidate from another political party from the Eastern zone. It is their will, it is their interest. We are not competing that with them. We are not running conflict with the elder as a group within the Southwest region. From our own region and our own organization, we believe that power should be retained in Southwest. We have a diverse opinion and that does not make us a threat to the elders. We are only believing the whole from the party, from the ruling party that's more structural, political advantage for us to lean on where it is very possible to achieve power with little or less effort than going to a total political party whose region is not produced in the incumbent president. We cannot support on that basis. We also have the whole reason. We do not make us a threat or so. Just as you have rightly said, the core interest is the interest of the PDP. It is not the interest of PDP on how they can change in the South East, South South and South West, North Central and North West. So it's a political space that is open for all. Nigeria's have opportunity to vote freely. But for us from Europe and land, we cannot have our own zone and throw in a way just like the Eastern people are protecting their own zone. It is not about ethnicity, it is about competency and competitive advantage. From the South West, we have a candidate that will hold the entire nation from a strategy but not personally. We have the way with Alex Lewis. We have the way the structure. We have done it before and we believe giving him the opportunity, seeing his own long life and vision as well. Let him also have the opportunity to vote. Within four years, if you perform excellently well, who will tell his face and if he does not vote, who will protest the streets. But can Nigeria afford another, you know, full start or rather another, you know, let's try our luck to see if this person does right and hoping that the person does right. Can we afford that for another four years, looking at where we are as a country in every wise. Again, I want to take you back to what you said, that if Peter Albi was still in the PDP, he would have been a better candidate. But if Peter Albi stayed within the People's Democratic Party as against those who run, as against the person who emerges as a flag wearer, would he have even stood a chance in the first instance? And looking at where he is now, doesn't he stand the best of chance? Yes, I'm with you. Did you hear my question? Yeah, you know, for me, I do believe that we cannot be, because when PDP appear, if you are not a card carry member of that political party. I am not a card carry member of APB. We only believe that of the Internet. I have always been a member of the PDP and I am for Senate under PDP. We have a choice beyond the political party I belong. It is not a matter of political party, it's a matter of interest. You can vote for out of assembly that you have interest in. I don't vote for the government. Engineers are now wilder now. We're not just going to be voting blanketly. But it's better we vote for the opposite end and the capacity to staff. So, for us, it's a matter of not over-eating the policy and not having too much ethnic coloration. Okay. And I don't want people to misquote us that for us to put in a strategy but not for us to be predicated on ethnic coloration. No. But at the same time. But you just sounded that way. That's a need for balancing. You just sounded that way more like, well, we in the Southwest would vote for this person and give this person a chance. And those in the South are doing the same for their brother, which makes this election, you know, have a lot of question marks. But just hold that thought. We'll take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll conclude on this conversation. Stay with us. It's still plus politics and we are speaking on the issue of the deputizing of the former vice president of Nigeria who is now the candidate for the People's Democratic Party's presidential ticket. And of course, O'Hanei Zendibu and Fenniferri have referred to Governor Okowa as a traitor for accepting to play a second fiddle while we're being joined right now by Odozi Hsu, is the former president of O'Hanei Zendibu FCT chapter and we still have been talking with O'Lado Tunghassen who is of the Yoruba Council worldwide. Odozi, it's interesting that a certain group of the Igbo extraction had at some point reached out to Governor O'Hanei Okowa, appreciating him for being the running mate of former vice president Atikua Bubaka for the PDP ticket and then here we are calling him a traitor and I'm wondering why is Governor Okowa referred to as a traitor in this regard? Odozi, can you hear me? I'm hearing you from the other OK go ahead First of all, let me say something The group that congratulated Governor Okowa were not the mainstream O'Hanei Zendibu group however, there is a Laguna and the Laguna is this there was a wrong congratulatory meeting by the National Public for this secretary of the and that was followed immediately by the outright reprimand of the Southern and Middle-Bird leaders which Edwin Clark and Paayo Adebanjo are leading. And this is a result of the second meeting that was followed in 2017 aimed at making sure that in 2020, 2023 an evil man comes out as the president of Nigeria. If you remember, in 2019 he failed Southern and Middle-Bird leaders' forum only on second meeting gave their support to Al-Haji at Tuku-Azubaka and that support, they made it clear that in 2023 the next president of Nigeria will be from the south and that was an original agreement that the evil extraction, the evil of the south will produce the president of Nigeria from 2023. Surprisingly, we should recall also that Dr. Korwa as the governor of Delta State convened and hosted the meetings of the Southern governors right there in this capital, as well as where they came out with a communique that demanded that the presidency of Nigeria must come from the south and the south in 2023. How come that suddenly Dr. Korwa is celebrating his being chosen as a vice to Al-Haji at Tuku-Azubaka for the presidency of the pre-election? Mr. Waduzia, I want to ask a question. You and I watched the whole country watched while the presidential primaries of the People's Democratic Party took place where were the people of the Southern and the Middle Belt during that primaries? We saw those candidates from that region fall out on that primary and then of course the emerging candidates which was the vice president was the man with the highest votes. Where were the votes of these people who were pushing for a Southern candidate? Let me tell you something. Both of the south cannot produce the president if the votes cannot be without the votes of the other side. Now the Southern and Middle Belt leaders are not politicians. They are male bearers and opinion-moulders. The political actors in the game were the governors. Can you ask Mr. Korwa where the votes of the leadership went? He failed to produce the Southern solidarity. If we had used the votes which he converged for vice-presidential, to converge for the president of the idea coming from the south, we would not be where we are today. Rather, he chose to play second to no. That would be an issue supporting a peaceful background with the aim that at the end of the day he would be chosen as the vice-president. I would not call him a traitor. Because he made his choice. But that choice is for the choice of his people. That choice is selfish. And it also makes us... Because we are laughable, with the excellent people after I find your Korwa coming up after he's been selected as the vice-president candidate to now save his people and nobody can count him out. Act by government. I am from Delta, I am from Anilma, I am from Delta City. Precisely, I am from Ambo. For the past eight years, has he paid the one million Naira and every state governor of the seven of Mahanese state paid into the capacity of Mahanese? So this is an Anilma issue as opposed to him standing by the wishes of the south, the east or the south west? No, no, no. I am referring to what... He said he's Anilma and nobody can deny him from that. Well, as he's been saying, if your family member has you been doing your duty and obligations to that family and his society, so let us not come to that and not tell us about that issue. Because if you read, can you read the matters after that is done? Back to the matter of the... In one sentence, because we're out of time. Okay? Maybe tomorrow we'll discuss it. But the truth is that Bukowa has not done well. Okay. By refusing to support his work or himself, to present himself for the position. Okay. And as he fell back to take a crumb of vice president, the southern part of Nigeria is very low. All right. And I am happy that for the first time the middle bells and the manority of the north are joining the southern part of Nigeria to say a big no. Okay. Well, I want to say thank you gentlemen because we are out of time. What does he does? He is the former president of Wuhan is indeed will FCC chapter and a lot of Hassan is the global president Europe Council worldwide. Thank you so much gentlemen for speaking with us. But time is up. Thank you. Well, that says on the show tonight. It's been plus politics tomorrow. We'll return at 7 p.m. to talk for development on the biggest political issues across the country. I'm Mary Anna Concey tomorrow.