 First question is from Nate Fagan. How effective is power building power building? I haven't you know It's popular now, right? It's not something that was around like just yeah This is like a fairly new turn. No, so okay the first time Give us the the history of it. Yeah, so the first time I heard of the term power building I heard do you guys remember skip liqour think is his name skip liqour? He was a natural we'll do quotations bodybuilder in the 90s kind of jacked no Kevin Lavroni Sometimes would talk about power building and there were other bodybuilders that weren't necessarily high-ranking bodybuilders But they were popular in flex magazine and muscle and fitness that would talk about Power building. There's one guy in particular. I can't remember his name. It'll come to me But he would do these insane looking lifts where he got like seven plates on a bench press And then there's like two spotters on each side and he never really competed But he called the way trained power building the way it tends to be used today is I like to bodybuild But I like to use bad form and heavy weight Thanks for clarifying that that's the way it tends to be used And that's also the way that it was kind of used in the 90s It was like heavy bodybuilding and looser form now the question is that reminds me Who's the who's the bodybuilder that trains that way Texas guy white branch warm. Yes, yes, yes, exactly Okay, now Michael Hearn talks about power building all the time Michael Hearn has good form Yeah, he trains with good form. He's probably one of the most genetically gifted people on the planet The dude was a powerlifting champion when he was in you know 18 or whatever And when he lifts he's just strong as shit. He'll do incline presses full-range emotion four plates I think he's in his late 40s now if I'm not mistaken. Yeah So if you combine powerlifting and bodybuilding what you and you do it the right way where you're gonna get is an incredible physique You're gonna be very strong. You're gonna build great muscle. I think they both are extremely complimentary Now if you power build like I talked about earlier With just loose form and bodybuilding exercises where you're swinging things and you care more about the weight Then then your technique in form. You're just probably gonna hurt. I think you just we just gave two great examples, right? So branch Warren versus Michael Hearn and I think branches had all kinds of injuries and issues Like he's always battling all kinds of stuff and he's the kind of like, you know Push through it type of guy who cares and then doesn't isn't really particular about his form And then you have somebody like Michael Hearn who's into his late 40s still lifting still strong as an ox and looks amazing So perfect example of what what you get if you if you take it to the extreme, right? If you take it as a way to just get away with sloppy form versus no There's some value in training this way, but it doesn't mean that technique goes out the window So what is the actual programming of a power build look like? I mean, obviously they're incorporating power lifts within that So it's like basically just compound lifts, but also like the accessory work. Is that am I off? It's so it's usually I'm looking to go heavy. I I'm doing curls I'm gonna swing a little bit more curl the hundreds instead of the 60s more English involved. Yes Or you know, there's also cases where people started out as power lifters and then moved into bodybuilding Ronnie Coleman is an example this right? I so I don't find it that much different than that way we write programs, right? So when I think of like bodybuilding like the typical protocol as far as programming used to be like this 8 to 12 rep range You know or even like you may be going down to 6 to 8 reps, right? But I and I see having a power building routine with singles doubles and triples or having like a 5 by 5s And which is more of your power lifting type of protocol, but I mean if you look the way we write programs We've that's incorporated and almost every single program in different phases But I'm wondering if they're combining that like they're merging them together So you do like ones, but then you also do fit sets of 15 like within that same set Well, I mean maybe I mean I'm sure there's somebody who's wrote programs with that But I mean I think we would sit here and argue that it would be way more valuable Come on, run it like a mezzo cycle where you have you know, a you're focused on power lifting for a month or so And then you move into a more bodybuilding hypertrophy type training and then you move into a more Strength or endurance type of training. So, you know, that's what's so funny is a lot of this to me is is is marketing You know, it's just it's just a new a new term or a new way to look at it But the truth is I think both that both bodybuilding type, you know training protocol power lifting type training protocol Belongs in most everybody's routine. It's just you know, we tend to think of extremes of it all the time And it's like no, I think everybody even some some lady who comes to me that wants to lose You know 50 pounds and she's 45 plus years old She should go through a you know bodybuilding and a power lifting type of routine Where which is we're talking about tempos and rest and sets and exercises that fall into that category that person still greatly bit appropriate technique and you know, like weight that's like appropriate for them all that stuff They're gonna get great benefit. They are they you know, the training for hypertrophy connecting the muscles getting the pump versus training for strength training the movement rather than feel You know focusing on the big core three lifts Step it in they compliment each other quite a bit and it's if you're if you really want to develop a great physique And you do it smart and you train smart You want to do both you want to train in one phase and then move into another phase You're gonna get tremendous results now as you get older The risk with lifting heavy might increase a little bit in which case you'll probably do more bodybuilding than power type lifting But for the most part they're both extremely beneficial And look, you know back in the day even now before the 90s when I was when I'm talking about what the power of the builders All bodybuilders trained For strength. That was a thing like in fact it was almost embarrassing Especially in the 40s 50s 60s the 30s those days of bodybuilding it was embarrassing to lift weights just for looks nobody admitted that it was silly It was like, oh, no, I'm actually really strong and then all the cut and it became okay to say I just lift for for looks but you know Arnold used to do power lifting cycles all the time him him and Franco Colombo