 I'm not a Jordan fan at all. Wow, why not? I'm not. I was always a Shaq and Kobe fan. Never a Jordan fan. Wow, yeah. Yeah, well, I was a Jordan fan. Ain't gonna lie to y'all. I was a Jordan fan too. I'm not gonna play with y'all. I was a Jordan fan too, but you man, LeBron. We on Boss Talk 101. Man. Ooh, we going back to Akron, Ohio, Spring Hill, West Side, Akron, Ohio Spring Hill Projects, right by LeBron J, same street. Really? Yep, East Avenue, same street. That's dope. That's dope, dope. Did you know the family? I mean, I ain't gonna say that. We weren't like best friends, but you know, I definitely saw him, you know, I went to, I went to, I've been to his house before, not house, but when he stayed in the project. Okay. Yeah, I've been over there before. Always just, was just a different dude, you know. You already knew. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like, oh my God, like you knew. This dude is the only 18-year-old in the world you can give $200 million to it, it ain't gonna change him. Wow. And that's rare. Yeah, he did at elementary school, that impressed me, you know, like when you start dealing with the kids and trying to find ways to, you know, do something that's that impactful, when you start dealing with trying to make sure that you place yourself in the midst of it, that's where it's at, you know what I'm saying? Everybody don't do that. Most people trying to find out something to try to push themselves up high, not to try to, you know. Jordan, Jordan. You knew I was good at it. Jordan. I am not a Jordan fan at all. Wow, why not? I am not. I was always a Shaq and Kobe fan, never a Jordan fan. Wow, yeah. Yeah, well, I was a Jordan fan, I ain't gonna lie to y'all. I was a Jordan fan too. I'm not gonna play with y'all. No, I was a Jordan fan too, but you man LeBron, you know. I like to honor dogs. I remember, okay, I went to a game with his mom and my boy Dre back in the day, shot a Dre gut and glow, went to the game with them. He was, I think he was a senior. And it was like, you know, everybody was there. They had the reps sitting with her, Nike, Jordan, and all them. How old was he then? He was 17. Okay, cool. High school senior. And I'm like, man, this dude watching him. I'm like, oh my God, let's do this. You know, after the game, we went back to a spot, me, Dre, and glow. LeBron went to eat with the reps, you know. So he came to the house, this is why I will fight somebody in the bar above LeBron Jack. He came to the house, he came in here like a stout. Now, mind you, they poor. Yeah, yeah. He, you know, all these magazines, they live in Spring Hood projects, you know. He come home and he has a styrofoam that has shrimp and stuff, you know, all the stuff he got from the fixings from the restaurant. He sat it down in front of his mom, he opened it up, it was full. It hadn't been touched. He went into the cabinet, he put out some oatmeal, instant oatmeal, put some water in it, heat it up. He ate that. And I was like, he didn't, he ain't gonna, she said he always do that. When he gets, when they really give him something, he just bring it to me, he just eat what we got. That boy don't stay humble, man. So from that point, so that's why I get, I get personal. I don't Facebook. You should. I'll be like, y'all, hey, meet me at, meet me at my house. Nobody's meeting you, Mike. Mike, nobody's meeting you, bro. I didn't know you were this big, man. No, I ain't nobody meeting you, man. You don't have to worry about that. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a teddy bear, man. So have you always been this big growing up? I was always taller. And I was big. I was fighting boys way older than me growing up. My mom is funny. She apologized to me. She was like, baby, I'm so sorry. You know, she was having me fighting these boys that she had no idea it was like six and seven years older than me cause I was the same size as them. But it helped me cause you know, he was my age. She had you fighting them. Oh, my mom was a gangster. Mom ain't playing no game. He tried to miss you. That sound like that movie I saw where the mama took him back out there and be like, no, you gon' fight. Come on, we gon' fight. That's her. No, she locked the door. Go out there and handle it. She ain't trying to hear it. Ain't not. And if you ever lost a fight, what would she do? Oh, I lost. Cause I was losing all of them cause they was, they was so stronger than me. We just was the same size. It was older, you know, but she would sit there. She told me, she said, she said, baby, cause I was like, man, mom was cold. But she said, you know, I used to watch you get out there and just get your butt wet. But she said, I would just turn my face and cry and leave you out there. Cause I knew, you know, you were a black man. So you had to, You had to deal with it. You had to endure. So where was daddy during all this time? He was in my life, but he was, he had moved to Ohio. They had got their divorce separated. He moved to Ohio. So she knew because she was a single mother. And how old were you when they got divorced? I was 10. 10? How did it affect you when he left? Uh, I think it affects, I think, I think divorce, but now that I look back on it as an adult, I think it does affect how we view relationships, how we deal in relationships. But he was there. You know, I can't sit here and say, my father was definitely there. You know, he, he just had to go out there and get us, you know, get us up together and get a job and everything. Cause he was, we was doing, we was doing bad, man. You know, it was, it was rough. So. But it made you into the person that you are today. Exactly. Yeah. So you wouldn't trade it for nothing. I wouldn't trade it for nothing. I ain't, listen, my mom, my mom was a gangstand. And, but she taught me, you know, it was a balance. I think she was rare because, you know, she would teach love and integrity and, and, but she just was like, you ain't even to be no punk. So, you know. You had brothers and sisters? A little sister. A little sister. So you're the only boy. I'm the only boy, me. And so it was me, two boy cousins and like 20 girls. So he was always fighting. Like, well, when I would go to Ohio, my uncle Joe, shout out to Uncle Joe, he probably gonna laugh when he see this, but he would have a list. Cause I, cause now I live in Buffalo. So when I would go to Ohio, he peeped me up from the, from the Greyhound bus station and say, all right, this boy did this to your cousin. He had a list and I had to go fight these boys. It's a wonder you didn't end up being a boxer or something. How far? I did mixed martial arts. You did? How old were you when you got into that? That was 2003. I was a Scambri County DT champion at Scambri County. So you didn't lose any more fights after that? Oh, I lost. When you win, you lose. See people don't know about the mixed martial arts fighting, you know, you win, but you still lose. How? You get beat up. Yeah, cause of the injuries. Yeah, when you block a punch, see people, when you watching on TV, if somebody block a punch or a kick, you're like, oh, he blocked it. But this still hurts. Yeah, it hurts you. It hurts you. You know. Let's go in a tub of ice after you get done. Man, listen. Man, so you, when you was young like that, and coming up, you said the projects. And so how are the projects up there? Was it like every other project when you hear Cali-O, or when you hear about the projects here in Dallas, you know, whether it be over there at Bond Town, 007 in the South, or when you hear about stuff like when you go to Atlanta? Yeah, like in Vegas, when we lived, we lived in Doolittle when I lived in Vegas. So how is it like far as the projects where you were from? In New York, it was, you know, the buildings were high. So it was more condensed. I think that's what the violence was so different because it was like, you really couldn't get away from people. You know, it's like, y'all seen the building, y'all live on top of each other. So you got these small stairwells and elevators and, you know. Pretty bad. Pretty bad. The building I live in now, we got a concierge. And no fight going on in there, but you know, ain't no security is just, you know, you had to deal with your problems. I think it made, like I said, made me who I am today because you had to, it wasn't on running from it. You had to deal with it. You got a bully, you know. You gonna see him every day in the elevators. You gonna have to throw some salt in his eye and get him out of the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to work. Yeah, fight dirty.