 Hey, Elizabeth. Hey, Thomas. Hi, Erica. Can you guys hear me? Hey, thanks for coming. Yeah, I'm just giving people a couple more minutes, maybe two minutes. Of course. Okay, I was trying to reach you because there was a grant proposal available and I was hoping that you would help us out. We needed to find somebody with an EIN to reply to the letter of intent. And the only person willing was in India. I didn't have EINs in India, so I wish you couldn't do it. Yeah, I'm just expanding around, which is I think in October. I didn't, how did you try to reach me? I didn't get it. Oh, I just looked your name through the hyperledger meeting. I couldn't find your email address. Really? Okay. I had your hyperledger members. I went through that whole list. Yeah, I know that I had signed up on our HCCIG directory and my email, my email might be old in there because it's when I used to work for IBM. So I know I'm in there, but I don't think I even know how to add myself to the directory. So I'll have to, I'll have to do that. I'm sorry about that. It's okay. It was only about $250,000. It was for mentorships for the project I'm working on. Okay. And then what, you needed someone with what type of experience? Oh, well, so right now we've moved it into a hackathon. I moved it into a hackathon. I found one partner from Duke University. And now we need somebody in AI and in blockchain to do the backend because we were, I did the HTML. She's going to do the JavaScript. Yeah, I don't know that I could have helped you with that. Okay. Yeah, I don't really, I have a little bit of experience working with Watson, but it was mostly in the capacity of the database that I write for in healthcare because I'm a pharmacist, but I didn't do a lot of work with that. And I haven't had any other real experience with it. And I've done some blockchain projects, but I didn't work on anything technical or, yeah. So I'm not, I'm not sure I could have helped you anyways, but thank you for thinking of me. Okay. Okay, so I guess we'll go ahead and get started. I claimed the host I haven't hosted this meeting in a long time. And I haven't really been in the space. Much at all. So I'm taking over for Ray, Ray for this meeting. He is on, he's doing some traveling and he's going on his honeymoon. So, very exciting. Yeah, I hope he has a great, great time. And I think I think he's going to be on his honeymoon when I host the next meeting on the 24th or whatever day that is so hope he has a great time and he did send me a couple agenda items and then I gathered other ones and, but if anyone has anything to share, I'll just bring up the agenda here. Okay, can everyone see the agenda for today on the screen. Yes. Okay. So yeah, welcome to the Hyperlegion Healthcare special interest group meeting I'm Erica, I'm hosting for Ray. I'm a pharmacist and I've done some work in the blockchain and healthcare space in the past and I have been co-chair of this group for several years back when Mike McCoy was the chair. I was the co-chair. But as I said, I haven't really been in the space so I'll go through this as fast as I can. Meetings are recorded and we have a YouTube channel playlist so we really appreciate if people would subscribe and if you ever miss the meeting you can watch on that channel. So if there's anybody new to the group, if you please introduce yourself. I, and Suya, I'm not sure I haven't seen, I haven't been to every meeting so I'm not sure if you're new. So if you want to say a few words about yourself, that'd be great. Hi Elizabeth, how are you? Good morning for you people, right? Yeah, it is 7.30 p.m. for me. I'm from Bangalore, India. So I'm a Suya Therese in the center. This is my full name. And I have my startup name, the New World Elevation's Private Limiter. It is, we are working on, I work with blockchain. That is the goal. I work with both sides and for hyperledger scalability, that's a research oriented also we are going on and applications, especially the clean and green tech we are into healthcare is also one of our for the mind. So like I have been in touch with Elisabeth, probably like this particular meeting I am attending the second time I suppose. So that's the Monday's meeting I used to attend. Well, welcome. Thank you so much for sharing. And, yeah, what is, what does your company do using the blockchain? We develop applications like for in the energy side, in the healthcare side, like we need the transparency and like many, the immutability is the beauty of blockchain. And when we work on the medical data, like, see, it will be useful for many parties. That's interesting. Yeah, and this is, we are still, it's just a budding startup. So we are at the starting stage. So not all the projects are implemented. In the initial phase, most of the projects, the one that is being implemented is currently the energy side. So like energy sector that full application, we are developing currently, but the healthcare owners in line. Okay, wonderful, wonderful. That's very exciting. I wish the best of luck to you. Thank you. And thank you for attending. Let's see. So, yeah, so consider posting your contact information in our HC CIG member directory. That's where people can go and kind of network and figure out who else they'd like to contact and network through through that site. And then real quick, we have the I'm just going to bring these up. This is a Linux antitrust policy. And so that's that. And then you can read through that at your leisure and then the antitrust site, which is basically saying anything that you say in this meeting. There's industry competitors and we can talk to all our activities in accordance with apical antitrust and competition laws. So anything that you say, you know, could be, could be shared. Alright, so does anyone have any announcements they'd like to share with the HC CIG community. Okay, and then we have a hyper ledger member job board. And then we, if you want to make an announcement there or on our discord channel or via our email listserv. And I think the email listserv is a great way to make any announcements or get yourself out there too because it goes out to all the members. The next is the groups to join. So Ray had put together a bunch of telegram groups and discord groups and slack groups that people might be interested in joining health unchanged as a podcast that Ray does. Blockchain for science and women and web three these are all great groups on telegram that that you can join. I know discord, I know discord can get a little bit crazy. I know that I'm, I have like 12 different channels that I'm on so I can't keep up with all of it and one day I hope there's a better way for everyone to communicate but we have a hyper ledger distributed health is a great one. I've kind of been a part of that one since they started. And there's a lot of people in Nashville, Nashville area on that site and hashed health as part of that so there's there's not there hasn't been a lot of updates lately but it's a good place to go. I don't want to put yourself out there. If you have a startup or you want to get more information. Molecule, vital, side out is one that I'm a part of it's, it's using, they fund psychedelic research in healthcare. It's an interesting one and they're pretty active, and then decide world. And then as far as slack, if you have slack research hub is a good one to join. It's a good one to upcoming events. I want I was hoping Wendy Charles would be here today but she's not. There's a great webinar. I'll just go to this link it's actually today. It's at 11 o'clock Mountain Standard Time and it's ethical implications of blockchain tap with Wendy Charles. Oh, this is just the registration, but yeah, so Wendy's an expert and like regulatory stuff and she's super super knowledgeable she actually teaches a course in Denver on blockchain for the university. And this would be a great webinar to attend if you have time to go today. They're going to explore the ethical implications of using blockchain technology and how blockchain can be used for social good. She's a great speaker. So, if you ever, or if you do have time to go today I would highly recommend it and it's free. Okay, and then I put this one up here there's a big conference going on in Denver psychedelic science. This is one of the biggest conferences in the world and all of the pioneers of using psychedelics for therapy and psychedelic assisted therapy will be here for a week. Doesn't really have much to do with what three but you know in connection with side out and things like that there probably will be some, some of that going on. A lot of it is just about how to how the current state of research is going. There are some helpful ideas on how to do psychedelic assisted therapy which is now legal in Colorado with silo seven so should be a really interesting conference. I don't think they're doing an online version, but I live in Denver so I'm excited to be a part of it. And then sin bio beta. I don't know what this is so I'm going to go to it. I think Ray had posted this synthetic biology industry conference, Oakland. Oh, you know, I think Ray went to this. And this actually already happened so I forgot to take that off so hope that was good. But that's in the past. And then of course the conv2x global blockchain and health care health care conference in New Orleans. This is a really big conference for blockchain and health care I've actually been to it. There's a lot of good speakers. And it's, it's part of the blockchain and healthcare today puts it on and they're, they're also a good resource if you're looking for articles for the current literature, current research and blockchain and healthcare it's a great, a great resource and this conference is is a great conference. I went to it in Boston like three or four years ago. And it's really all the big stakeholders and blockchain and healthcare there and it's a great place to network. So, yeah, and I, they also have an online version of this conference so you can always sign up for that if you can't make it in person. But yeah, this is probably the biggest one around for blockchain and healthcare and that's coming up and New Orleans in September. So, I'd recommend that one as well. Okay, so we have kind of a short list of discussion topics for today. Ray had sent some of these over. And also, I added a few and some of them have nothing to do with healthcare, some of them do. So there's a mix. And the first one is this one, and we can, I've, I've only kind of skimmed over these, but this is premon this is a fertility app fine $200,000 for leaking customer health data. This is definitely a concerning thing and a hot topic, especially with reproductive rights, this information getting leaked out. And really what I thought it was interesting here because they had, they had agreed to only, they shared de identified data, non identified data, but, but they ended up sharing data that was identifiable, such as Wi Fi network names and hardware IDs and they shared it with two China based data analytics companies. So, basically people could find out who was using a fertility app, which is not good, obviously. So, yeah, this is, they're being fined, and I had never heard of this PMOM app before, but I thought this was an interesting thing to share because there is so much debate around. Yes, we have very strict rules with the HIPAA on what constitutes de identified data for personal health information, protected health information. So this, I thought this was interesting. Does anyone have any comments on this or want to discuss anything with regard to this. Okay, we'll move on to the next next one. I just did this one I thought it was, I thought it was an interesting reference. So the World Economic Forum just posted a whole big thing on regulation. And they, they talk about using a global approach, and I'm not going to download the PDF it's pretty long, but it talks a lot about the challenges of creating like a complete global regulatory structure, and not just focused on each country. I skimmed through it and it's a great read if you're interested in regulation and their take on a global approach to that. Does it say whether it applies to asset back tokens or Fiat fix it again treasury. I believe it does. I do believe they go through that I only skimmed over it. But yeah, you can take a look and see. They do talk about they do talk about that they talk about what tokens are considered securities and asset back tokens and things like that in here. But yeah, I haven't had a chance to, to read it completely over yet but as you can see it's defined. How do they define crypto does it include dollar bills and I don't know I haven't read the whole thing over. Okay, so. What do you think is this is a regulatory body that with authority that you would respect. Yeah, I do. I'm the world, the World Economic Forum for sure they they're definitely looked at as a source of unbiased good information and they put they've set a lot of guidelines before that I that have been referenced by a lot of people a lot of people in the community and I think that they are a good a good reference. Yeah. So that's kind of why I put this out there because I thought it was a pretty big deal. Did you find out who actually did the analysis and came up with recommendations was it scientists or economists. Let's see it's got the women in here. So she's a data policy data policy for blockchain Center for fourth industrial revolution in India World Economic Forum she wrote this. I don't know exactly what her background is but it seems like she's more like a blockchain specialist and I don't know if there was other people within the group that contributed to this. World Economic Forum, it has the word economic right in the middle right I know I don't trust it. What about science forum if they came up with when I'd be more interested. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. It's an economic tool but it's a scientific tools. Maybe it is a bit I can you know for my two cents here so you know regarding the regulation of crypto assets and generally regulation about blockchain more broadly. You know there is actually quite somebody's working on it. You know so we do have in time for ledger we recently got joined by European Blockchain Association and we have a not above which is the International Association for trusted blockchain applications. We have European blockchain service infrastructures these are the two bodies, the two main bodies through which European Commission interacts with blockchain community. And obviously we do have a lot of this regulation but you know by its nature the blockchain is global one right global technology and the interoperability between this, you know between different pockets of this ecosystem is very important. And I think one of the biggest part about the regulation is that, you know, if you have, you know, obviously you have local regulations right but how do they interact with each other so right now we do have a lot of people working on that. But it would be difficult to say it's you know that we have right now one globally accepted framework for regulating crypto assets right but a lot of work is being done it's obviously very important because you know without it how can we move forward right and trust the data the assets and, you know, get it get more adoption globally. And just to top on it. So thank you for sharing this Eric, it's good to know that there's a new regulation I wasn't aware of that or a proposal, at least. Yeah, yeah I'd seen just in reading through it it seems like it goes through a lot of basic stuff. But I haven't. Sorry, I keep losing my screen. This problem that just brings them up. Yeah, it seems like it's sort of an overview. But I do know that people look at their, their stuff and it's definitely, you know, considered a good source but I don't really know if they're tackling. They have any new ideas, like you said. Okay, but that's out there if you want to take a look. I haven't had a chance to really look at it. The next thing. Put a few words, like in India chapter, we had women in blockchain that is this last Saturday and the previous Saturday, like we conducted one event so this Saturday mainly we focused on this regulations. There was a panel discussion, even I was part of that. Paving way for regulatory compliance is in about 3.0. So the 3.0 if you take it it is basis blockchain rate. So like, revolving around blockchain. So it was very good. And that had many countries, actually they are working on the regulations, right. More than 10, 15 countries, it is exactly in place, not a cross border one, but inside the country, like for organization from taxation to like, that is inside the jurisdiction it is happening, but we want it around the world. Around the globe, like, like, Hyperledger can work along with many people and create some common framework. So we need some open source people to chip in, right. Otherwise, like, it will be killed. I like regulations are much needed, but even regulations are in place, like the 3.0 can also be like the reality. Yeah, thank you for sharing. That's so exciting. I'm glad that you're doing a women in blockchain and I agree that, you know, the regulations are kind of siloed right now. So it would be nice to have more of a global approach for sure. Thank you so much for sharing. So the next, the next one is not really related to healthcare either but I thought this was interesting. It was kind of all over the news. It was about how a group of leading technology experts have worn that artificial intelligence should be considered a societal risk and prioritized in the same class as pandemics and nuclear wars. So, yeah, this was, I heard about this on NPR. Yeah, that's, it's interesting that they're coming, you know, some of the big people coming out that's created a lot of these things like chat, chat, gpt, Google deep mind have come out and said these things and it is concerning and I think that it's good that they're coming out and making these statements and treating it like, you know, as something, you know, that could have potential implications. There's a $100,000 prize for people. I think they have 20 of them for anyone who comes up with the guardrails and safeguards necessary for AI to function. They really want to get it out and that's a prize that I think it's worth noting that I don't know any human factors engineers who are actually writing up the guardrails and safeguards for AI. It's just sort of one of those things that just getting out there as soon as getting it out there before it's finished product. But I do because I'm a human factors engineer, I'd love to have been the one to work on that before it got out there over. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's amazing. And I, yeah, it's crazy that there haven't been guardrails set up and I'm glad that they have these these prizes out there because it's it needs to be figured out for sure. But it's a great assistive device for people with low IQ just think you could actually it's a real field. It really even to feel even with playing field for people with low IQ. They all they have to do is ask they have all this intelligence now that they didn't have before. It's, it's wonderful and I, I've never used it but I do know that I don't see it as a threat, because I see all of these failure modes as being something that doesn't affect me it affects maybe people who are younger or more courseable or it seems to be that. Yeah, I see the failure effects. I see the failure modes and I would know how to prevent it from bothering me. Everybody has that education and I wish they did. A lot of people don't. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting and for my work I synthesize literature and analyze literature for in healthcare publications for drugs to assign ratings profitable uses. They're saying a lot of the work that I do could be taken over a little bit by by chat GPT. So, it's interesting how many, how many different things it'll replace to. I'd say the main problem that it would have that might affect me is that it could whip up a mob against any one person. Yeah, by manipulating people. I hadn't thought about that Elizabeth that's a great point. So yeah, even more need for some guardrails. That was actually an interesting one. They just reminded me now that Elizabeth mentioned it. I was reading that recently you know when you get this capture and then if you want to go to a website that and then you have to choose I don't know what traffic lights or like, you know be a proof that you're not a robot right. And I think that they did sort of a challenge for the AI if they can get around it. But you know what it did instead of trying to sort of break break through it it actually just hired a person on Upwork or something like that pay them sort of like promised them to pay if they will solve that for them. So basically it manipulated that human to do it for it. And that's how it got into the into the website. Wow, that's clever, clever, clever. Yeah, it's very clever. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, I never been scary. It's very, very, very, very. I know all of the coercion checklist that's helped me. Yeah, maybe I'd be able to now start selling it because people would be concerned about being coerced before they never were they always thought it's fun to be coerced by human beings it's it's you trust is manipulated through touch and when somebody holds somebody's hand that increases their trust in them and they're trusting somebody who they really can't trust. And it gets people to give money over and to give their life over and have their babies, all kinds of things and nobody's ever thought about it until now. But I mean, how much more has AI done that a human being hasn't done to manipulate people really no more it's no more dangerous than like a clever manipulator. You can have control over it or it can go rogue. But I think you should I think you should come up with something because I think it would be useful and you could sell it. Okay, any more comments on this. Okay. Okay, so this also has nothing to do with healthcare but big news and crypto with the sec filing the complaint against finance. And also there I guess today there was a class action suit to against finance today for for profiting off of stolen crypto funds. So yeah, this was a big deal. I think it was on the fifth. I'm sure everyone's heard about that else because the market kind of crashed after this and then now it's back up again. But yeah, I thought it was funny. They talked about charging charges accusing the company of Mr. Sal of unlawfully soliciting investors and customers misrepresenting the degree of trading on the platform and misleading the public about oversight. All kinds of things and then they they talked about how he bought like a huge yacht with the money and they're seeking to ban finance in the US and send Bitcoin down more than 5% which isn't that crazy but Yeah, I thought this was just big news. So I wanted to share it. I mean, yeah, I subsequently purchased an 11 million dollar yacht. Any comments on this. So the next two are about health care. Ray had submitted this one. It's a really cool summary of six mental health organizations in tech and the web three different things people are doing. The first one is mental health awareness month. I believe last month. So there's six in here. The first one is mental health collective, which is a nonprofit that provides free and accessible mental health support, peer to peer support via Twitter spaces. So it's just a community line for safe space within the web three. And all you have to do is sign up on their website and you get access to their discord. And you can support by donating. So yeah, I think it's interesting. I'm not sure how they, how they establish privacy with that but yeah, you know, that's the main thing right. I, I just, it just occurred to me this morning during this meeting that there was a murder and a man was found dead and somebody's private backyard and turns out that he was the, the person who was murdered and put out there this app for sobriety is called sober link that was the name of the app. And it was for all the people in. And with the sobriety community to communicate with each other and mentor each other and help each other to you know like hey, get on the app I'm having trouble somebody's offering me a drink now that kind of thing would you please help me be strong enough to tell me to get, get away from me. That kind of thing but then he was found dead I was like what just occurred to me today what maybe it's because when he started using the app and so people started being able to reach each other on web to they felt that their, their anonymity was a risk. And I'm wondering if these people might have the same problem with web three that he had with web. Yeah, that's an interesting point. I, it makes me wary of these, these helpful, you know, helpful sites or what three things that you can go to it just makes me wary. It's a good. That's, I think that that could be a valid reason why that happened for sure. Okay, the next one is peace inside live. This is just, this is having to do with the metaverse curate inner joy and peace within your place. This is something about maintaining a positive mindset as you're going through life and it looks like it's tied to the metaverse and here's the website. So I don't know exactly what this one's about, but it's called peace inside live. Healing hippies NFTs. This is a collection of 8,888 unique NFTs with the power to heal holders of this project get get access to live coaches and specialists to enhance their mind body and soul. You get an aura that unlocks exclusive portion portions in the app and access to the hippie verse. So yeah, here's another one that's kind of funny, kind of interesting. So that's healing hippies. And then the fourth one is held mind. They're founded. Okay, so they're actually found by a licensed psychotherapist with a decade of experience. So that seems seems a little seems good in that way. So they have a basic understanding of Web three. They partner with 45 brands to support their community health efforts. So this one looks interesting. I might have to check it out. And then cool cookies. This is what's up with the 8,888. Does anyone know I've been out of the space for so long and like this has got to be something because it's, I thought it was usually 10,000 that they do but now it's 8888. I think I think it's a human doctors thing because I've actually done this before. I do it with ones. So each of my NFTs is worth 11,000 or 1111 1111, you know, or $1 and 11 cents or 11 dollars. Because it's easier to type it out. Okay, okay. This is to spread awareness about mental health and you get access to an exclusive discord. And they got a donation of $10,000. Wow. Okay. This was in memory of the funder's brother who took his life. So yeah, it looks like there's some history behind this one. Interesting name cool cookies. And then the last one is log out center for digital well being to create a balance use of the space. Oh, this is to teach people how to responsibly trade cryptocurrency, get access to online classes and more so not really having to do with healthcare. But I know there's a lot of a lot of tools out there like that that are trying to help people learn crypto. So this is another one. Digital well being. All right, any comments on these. All right, thanks for sharing cannot check it out. Yeah, yeah, check it out. I didn't I didn't have a ton of time to go through and really look at what was going on in the space of anyone has anything they want to share with the news of blockchain and healthcare this week please please jump in at any time. Okay, the last one is Magic raises $52 million in funding led by PayPal Ventures. This is a wallet as a service provider. And they they raised a bunch of money. It's it's currently used in brands and retail music fashion and gaming, including Mattel Macy's Exola and immutable. I think that their main goal is to increase adoption, providing authentic digital ownership opportunities, and they plan to expand functionality and use cases and even integration within the European Union and Asia Pacific region. So I thought this was this doesn't have to do with healthcare ray actually share this one I think that this is really, you know, this is really for real it's going to it's definitely going to drive adoption if it's got ties to these brands. So yeah, I think it was a lot of money. And it's PayPal. So it's a big deal. Any comments on this. So you'd be able to create your own wallet. Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah, and it looks like you'd be able to, you know, interact with some of these participating and use your crypto for some of these participating companies. Yeah, create wallets using existing existing email social or SMS so they're making it easy to create a wallet, which is, I don't know kind of scares me to but yeah. So all in one package for user onboarding which includes authentication fiat on rams nft minting and nft checkout any more comments on this one. And then the last thing which I haven't looked at it all. This might have been in last week's meeting to it's from nature, very technical. It's a consultive transaction based blockchain cybersecurity model for healthcare systems. And I tried to read this and I was like, Oh my gosh, this is very technical, but if you're interested, it's just about cybersecurity. There's a different technique called consultive transaction key generation and management to enable secure data sharing in healthcare systems, generating a unique key pair based on random values with multiplicative operations and timestamps. And it's then stored in discrete blocks of hash values using blockchain methodology. So if you're interested in that and know a lot about cybersecurity. There's an educational article for you. Any comments on this reach. Well, I don't have anything else does anybody have anything they want to share or discuss today. Yes, I'm pretty good at chat. Oh, let me check the chat. Okay, so first thing you shared NIH toughens enforcement of delayed clinical trials reporting agency says has bought more than 200. Do you want to talk about this one. Do you want to bring it up. Sure. So, as we know we're what we're doing blockchain is going to solve problems for clinical trials and one of them is the latency of publishing the information right now. The longer the clinical trials and private investigator waits the more they can capitalize on their investments so they get the investor to invest money then they charge $3,000 for each procedure in the clinical trial. And then, you know, 10 years later they're still charging the $3,000 per procedure even though they have the results of their initial clinical trials, they could publish and then that publish results could go to the scientists and doctors who create the standard of care, and then that particular clinical trial procedure could become standard of care become covered by insurance and become free for most people but meanwhile they're still charging $3,000 per procedure, and giving that money over to their investors. So, they decided to crack down the authorities decided to crack down on this kind of scam, and they're, they pulled 200, they didn't really pull their, their, their life moves to provide any future clinical trials I don't know why because it's a violation of the regulations, and it is, it is punishable by some kind of a censor, or some, there got to be consequences to running this kind of scam I mean I've seen them. But with blockchain, what happens is that the patient provides the data patient owns the data when the patient puts the data on blockchain and makes it available that patient can now sell a cell that her her before and after data to anyone she pleases she doesn't have to wait for the price for the principal investigator to decide that the investors have had enough profit and now they're going to publish their results. Right. It looks like in here it says that there's a one year deadline but the median for tardiness was 400 days. And that only 37% met it. So yeah, I don't know how they're getting away with it. That's, yeah. Yeah, well, I, I've read what I've read is that the United States government is so corrupt you're either a crook a coward or whistleblower about your job. This you know that's the cliche, but it might have something actually has. It's been reported that there are very I'd be the FDA that whole, what the health that whole movie is about that so yeah, I mean that it's quite possible that there are enough crooks and cowards in NIH that it's actually wasn't the NIH. Yeah, it says NIH has recently wasn't working at the NIH that was recently you got a whistleblower. Yeah, I know. I mean, I used to work in the pharmaceutical industry so I know all about the levels of corruption going on. There's just sickening. But yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, a woman testified that she left the air was the Air Force because of the corruption. So I mean, but that's just, you know, you have to go to the judges findings before you can really say whether. And everybody's corruptible. It's just a matter of, do you have healthy influence in your life and it's not healthy influence something that you choose over corrupt influence. Yeah, wow. And even down here it says that informed because this talks about how they're not even getting informed consent. So yeah, it looks like there's a lot of issues going on. I wasn't aware. I don't directly work with clinical trials, but yeah, it's crazy. And I think, yeah, if the patients own their own, you know, data around clinical trials that could help a lot. But like you said, thanks, Elizabeth. And with blocking you wouldn't have to go through their files to find out if they had informed consent, it would all be readily available. Right, right. Yes. It would all be together and available and visible to everyone that needed to see it. Well, thanks for sharing Elizabeth. Let me see what else we got in here. I think you had one more thing. Okay. Okay, I'll just pull this up. Elizabeth, do you want to talk about this one to you. Sure, it's just a new token standard. Come out by the theorems come out with these token bound accounts create a smart contract wallet that can do things like hold other wallets in it. Create multiple on chain identities, NFTs, use them interact with smart contracts and dApps without relying on a wallet it's that it's sort of it's a token bound account with wallets in it if you like, allowing your various wallets perform transactions with each other. It kind of makes a soulbound token obsolete, I think, what do you think. Yeah, this is interesting. I hadn't I didn't know about the 6551. Yeah, definitely takes. Yeah, seems like it's taking the capabilities of NFTs to another level. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I agree. Token bound accounts creates. I'm just reading it over. Yeah, that's very cool. Wow. I'm going to pose everything into a single ERC 6551. I'll have to look and see how this like look more into technically how this works because I hadn't looked into it yet. Thank you so much for sharing this. This is very cool. And then there's one more article. They found out. Yeah, putting the chat they found out. Somebody did a sort of meta analysis of open source coding in was in healthcare or all of science and they found that they just said the statistics. Most people chose to use GitHub most people chose the MIT license. I don't see that is there a link to it. I don't see it in the chat. Actually, I'm not finished reading it so I don't have the link to it yet. Sorry. Okay, no worries. Yeah, you can talk about it. That's, that's great. I mean that's still open in one of my. It's just, I found it interesting that that people chose the MIT license even though the way hyper ledger does even though that means that somebody else could capitalize on your open source code. And I kind of wanted to start a conversation about that. Any other comments on this, I don't know much about about this. Oh, so I haven't been. But there is one of these using GitHub with the MIT license now. Why I choose the CC by NC saw it like 4.0 licenses. It's for non commercial use only so you and you have to attribute everything that I do. You know, you see, you know, you're running your code and it's slowed down because some of the coders want funding. Well, why did they make their code. MIT, or why didn't they make it CC by saucy you have to give attribution to them whenever you use it. I wonder why, why did hyper ledger choose MIT license where anybody could. Is it isn't the MIT license where anybody can use the code without giving attribution to the coder and or commercial purposes. Yeah, I don't know that doesn't seem that does seem odd that they would choose that. I've had my first minute that kids ago I thought I was on the Apache license but I've been looking at the licenses now. So I'm just starting to notice the licenses and look at them noticing MIT. And then I look at all the list you know of all of the corporations that use hyper ledgers code. Although what collido is one of them. They do provide a free account for limited purposes. So that you know it is kind of free it's it's great you know way okay I I I provided collido with the code for free and now they're providing me with a limited account for free. No problem. And they say though but if you want more features you have to pay and wait a minute I wrote the code why should I have to pay for it so that's why I wanted to start. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know. Does not seem like I don't know why they went that way with it. But Elizabeth in hyper ledger is using the page to license. Okay. We have seen on some of the GitHub repository MIT license. Okay, okay I'll have to look into it but as far as I'm aware it was the Apache tool and you know is it was a part of the, you know, open source philosophy in general. But let me have a look at it just to make sure. And is that the one that collido is using for example, and, and is, and what is the Apache to license to have with respect to attribution and commercial use that I don't know. Yeah, I haven't looked at the Apache license in years. It's probably updated. Okay. And that was the first license I ever looked at. So, you know wikipedia uses CC by saw right so you can use it for anything you want, as long as you give attribution. Right. So, yeah, that's right. I'm not an attorney but I'm, I'd like to know a little bit more about it. You know, you see all of consensus accent or you see all the companies using hyper ledger code. And, and as far as you know they're all under the Apache license. So, what does that mean for the coders that they still have to beg for money through slowing down your, your coding experience and telling you that this code needs funding. It's anyone else ever you're coding and all of a sudden this code needs funding and it slows you down and you're like, You know, I was like, why didn't they just demand funding in the first place. So like, you know, hold foods employees. You know, they should just demand more money. You know your bosses making billions of dollars. Why does she demand more money than you won't have to wait, left compete against the homeless people for the free food. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting isn't it. They'll just do what they're told. But Eric, you're actually making the fact that you are kind of personal. I shouldn't bring it up but I mean there's got to be a way to ask hyper ledger for funding if you're doing coding right. Yeah, I don't I don't know I've never done coding for hyper ledger but um, and I don't know. Yeah, no, I've taken some courses but I've never actually know. But I mean, if you even if you do the documentation for hyper ledger, there's got to be a way to demand the funding and it seems to me so we demand the funding we apply for the mentorships we apply for stipends and when we don't get them we still keep coming we still keep contributing and Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah. Yeah, I know it's such a purely volunteer situation. Yeah. It's hard to keep. Good. Oh, it's hard to keep those types of things up, you know, when you're not getting compensated. You wonder about the quality of the work and I go to a lot of meetings where people are just basically spouting their own opinions without anything backing it up. There's no quality control. Right. Yeah, it's a hard, it's hard. Yeah, I'm not sure what it looks like to get funding and what I do think there should be options for that. I was when I thought you were one of the people who paid I went through the list of employees. No, I don't know I this is purely volunteer I I haven't really been able to contribute much, because I've been so busy with work and I'm working on some other projects. So yeah, I just, it's hard for me to contribute, you know, to this to this but I'm glad that I could be here today and host for Ray. I think it makes shoes to fill because Ray is, you know, really in the space and he's a great, a great host so yeah, I'm just trying to keep things up all his way. Maybe we could have more meetings we had one meeting on just developing a letter of intent, and it was, it was better attended than any of the other meetings. It's interesting. People seem like people really want to get funding for hyper ledger because they believe in anything that's fun. It's a fun way to interact. It's like, it's like a colabathon and never ending colabathon, you know, and, and yet how many people are really is there a funding. Is there a funding sig special interest group, where they actually just work on getting funding all the time. That would be, that'd be good wouldn't it. I think so there's a there's a lot of fun. There's a lot of money out there, especially right now, people focusing on fintech health tech, climate tech all of all of it. And the blockchain technology is, is rising. It's about 5% of total assets of the alumni ventures association. So it's really rising. Yeah, I've noticed a lot of like activity and grants and stuff in the dows that I'm into. So maybe one of these days will happen. Or maybe we could turn the, the pay your subgroup that hyper ledger healthcare specialist group pay your subgroup into a fundraising, and where we actually work on that. I'd like to do that. Yeah, I know Thomas was asking like, I don't even think those subgroups are active and they're still meetings but I don't think anyone hosts them. So, I go to all of them. You do. Okay. And then he goes through every other one he goes to all of the patient subgroup meetings. Does he. Oh, I remember when he was host. Yeah. So they are, they are active, but they're not very active. It's lucky, lucky we get four people shops. Okay. That'll change in the future. Thank you very much for hosting. Oh, yeah, thank you guys for coming. And I'm glad we had at least one other person here earlier that contributed and introduced themselves. So that was great. Any final comments before we close the meeting. All right, well, everyone have a great day and we'll see you in two weeks. Thank you, thank you. Bye bye.