 Good morning, I'm Jay Fidel here in Hawai'ine. This is Sink Tech, Hawaii. We're talking about community matters, and we're talking about the larger community, the community, not Hawaii particularly, but nationally and internationally with Cynthia Farahat. Cynthia joins us from, I guess, Washington. She's associated with the Middle East Forum, and she's a fellow there, and it's really a delight to meet her. She has really been around, and I would like to, Cynthia, welcome to the show, Cynthia. Can you tell us a little about yourself? Thank you very much for having me, Jay. I'm very excited to be with you today. Well, I'm an Egyptian immigrant to the United States. I came here in 2011 after the so-called Arab Spring, and it almost killed me. It was a very tough experience, because in Egypt, after 9-11, a couple of years later, I co-founded the first classic liberal political party that was advocating for equal rights for everybody and separation of mosque and state, so you can imagine I wasn't very popular. And that, of course, just escalated to a lot of very, very bad things. It's under Mubarak's regime. A lot of people call it a moderate secular regime. It was not. People would say that, and I'd be in awe, because his regime terrorized me for a decade. I was under constant surveillance. My apartment was bugged, my house was, my phones were bugged, my computer. I was living a very, very tough life. Everything I did was under scrutiny. I felt like I was a robot when I under Mubarak's regime. All this because I advocated for secularism and not decapitating your neighbor if you don't like what he says. These were controversial views under Mubarak. People would lose their jobs if they joined our party. Life was tough. And of course, when the so-called Arab Spring, which was actually a coup d'etat, took place in February, it was more, things got so much worse very fast, because I knew even before Mubarak left that the Muslim Brotherhood was going to take over the country. The Muslim Brotherhood in the military called me and said, this time we're coming and you are going to call it a revolution and you're going to like it. I told him, okay, what is the model? What is the model you're aspiring to? Guess which country they said they were after. You're not going to believe it. Sudan. Amr al-Bashir's mass murdering regime that killed and displaced millions of people and split the Sudan into two countries and committed genocidal atrocities. He became the first sitting president to be indicted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity. He is an operative in the Muslim Brotherhood. He's a leader in the Muslim Brotherhood and that was the model. Well, the Muslim Brotherhood, as you told me, was established in 1928 in Egypt and it had spawned a number of Jihad terrorist organizations that we are familiar with. As a matter of fact, I recall that Bin Laden came out of the Muslim Brotherhood and other organizations, which we generally consider terrorist organizations, came out of Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood. There's no innocence there. As a matter of fact, and this is why I'm interested in talking to you. As a matter of fact, they're in this country and they have specific agendas which they have been successful at in this country to advance the interest of terrorist groups. I put to you a question that was put to you in a video you made only two days ago entitled The Muslim Brotherhood's Successful Infiltration of America with Cynthia Farahad and this was on YouTube. Anybody wants to search for that, they'll find what you had to say that day. But I put to you this question, why has not the United States designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization? That's an excellent question, but unfortunately I've been trying to know the answer to this question for years now and I'm getting very dissatisfying answers. People tell me things like, because we do not want to offend the Turkish government, because Erdogan is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. We do not want to offend the Moroccans because they have a strong Muslim Brotherhood presence in the parliament. It's all very weak arguments to justify why they still have not designated this terrorist group that founded Al-Qaeda and ISIS and Al-Jama'a Islamic group and has been attacking America consistently since 1993, bombing the World Trade Center. This is the group that founded all these terrorist organizations. This is the incubator of terrorism. Hassan al-Banna said, we are war and he is right, they are war. They have vowed to destroy the West from within. This is something very interesting. In 2004, there was a police officer in Maryland who saw a woman taking pictures of the infrastructure of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and he stopped her to question her. It turns out she was married to a man called Ismail Abrasi. He was detained on an outstanding material witness warrant in Chicago for the Holy Land Foundation trial, which was the biggest terrorism financing trial. Washington DC's FBI field office decided to investigate and they searched his house in Dail, Virginia and they found an incredible amount of documents. Among the most important documents that were released was called the explanatory memorandum. It dates to 1991 and it was written by the Muslim Brotherhood's board of directors like Shura Council, which is the advisory council. This document in excruciating detail went into their plans for the United States. The major operation is called the Amaliyah jihadiya hadariyah, which is civilization jihad operation. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's in their documents. That's what they called it, civilization jihad operation. And the way they explained it is that they infiltrate all aspects of American society to destroy their miserable house from within. That's a quote, destroy their miserable house from within. Are they anti-Israeli? I guess they are. Oh yes, of course they are. And are they associated with BDS? Oh yes, of course. BDS is on every college campus and very active in this country. Are they coordinating with the Muslim Brotherhood? Oh, of course. The Muslim Brotherhood is the entity that started it. They have a lot of front organizations in the United States because it's a clandestine group. The Brotherhood is when they were founding it, they said that they are founding the new assassins. Do you know the word assassin? From Al-Hashashun, from the assassins. A cult, a Shia murderous cult that existed in the late 11th century and 12th century. And it was so brutal that the word assassin comes from this group. That's what the Brotherhood, Ali Al-Ashmawi, the guy was a co-founder of the Brotherhood, said that they studied the assassins and modeled themselves after them. We are dealing with the modern assassins. Did you have to leave Egypt? Oh yes, of course I had to leave Egypt in the most atrocious and painful of ways because what happened after the so-called Arab Spring is the Muslim Brotherhood took over. They were affiliated with the Supreme Council of Armed Forces that was governing the country at the time. They were planning on murdering me. I was supposed to get killed on October 9, 2011. And it was supposed to happen in a protest that I organized with other people, of course, for freedom of religion. In front of Egypt, state television and radio building. Because it was constantly spewing hatred and division and calls for genocide. So that would have been in this country? That was in Egypt. When I was in Egypt in October 2011, I got sick and I didn't go to the protest. But the friend I was going with got shot execution style and killed at the protest. And after that, someone called me and said we missed you today, but it's over. We're getting you. So two weeks later, I got on a plane, came to America. I didn't even know where I was going to spend the night. I literally fled for my life with a suitcase and just showed up in America. And I've never visited even. So it was quite daunting to just have to leave that way. But you learned English in school in Egypt, I suppose. You were in law school in Egypt. Although your real talent is in art, I always appreciate artists. And not everybody has the talent in art. But you went to law school in Egypt. I studied, I ended up studying journalism, but I still studied Islamic jurisprudence on my own time. Because I studied, I decided to study everything, the worst terrorist that I've ever seen studied to get in their heads. So I studied everything, the blind shape Omar Abdel Rahman studied everything. And it took 12 years. And I completed it to be able to predict the behavior. So what you've dedicated your life to dealing with this issue. I mean, indeed, if you say that the Muslim Brotherhood is here in the United States, and you're here in the United States, and you're a fellow with the Middle East Forum, you carry a certain amount of risk in making public statements, well, in beyond making public statements and being here. Why do you do this, Cynthia? Because I'd rather live free or die. I lost Egypt used to be a beautiful country. It was among the freest and most civilized countries on earth, and it was destroyed in the most vile way, because the Muslim Brotherhood took control of the culture and society. And then when 9 11 happened and I saw the build the ideas that destroyed my country flying into your buildings, I made the decision right there that I had no role in destroying my own country, but I wasn't going to allow it to happen to America. Because it's all we have. If we lose America, where are we going to go? We don't have anywhere else to go. That's it. That's the last thought. Well, let's talk about two principle issues I would like to cover with you. One is, you know, exactly what is the mother, the Muslim Brotherhood doing here in Hawaii, to the extent we know, to the extent you know. And the second question, which I'll ask you later, is what can we do about it? So let's go to the first question first. What are they doing? Let's drill down on their activities here. We pretty much know their motivations, but their methodology is would like to know that. That's a fantastic question. So the main, what they discuss in the explanatory memorandum is infiltrating every aspect of the American life. So you're talking about media, you're talking about political lobbying, you talk about law enforcement, Hollywood, academia, they're in all that. They have agents in all these areas. And unfortunately, they've had a lot of successes on every single front. If we take, for example, academia, there is a program in Georgetown University established by professor, they're called John Esposito. And he is the embodiment of the subversion of American minds on behalf of Islamism. He's an Islamist apologist. I don't know if he's a card-carrying member in the Muslim Brotherhood or not, but he certainly never wastes a chance to defend them. In 2013, for example, Esposito went to Qatar to help found a Muslim Brotherhood think tank called the Think Tank Research Center for Islamic Legislation and Ethics, C-I-L-E. And he was involved there. And I guess who was with him in this founding event, the friend of Osama bin Laden, Hassan Al-Turabi was there. Al-Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood theologian and a convicted terrorist, another convicted, designated terrorist, Al-Raisouni. He was Hassan Al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood's grandson, Tariq Ramadan was there. It was a hub for terrorists and very bad people. And he was there. And that's the guy who teaches your children political philosophy and Middle East studies at Georgetown University. When you say infiltration through the media, through college campuses, through courses like that and seminars, programs, what have you. It sounds to me like what the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to do in the United States is to make people think that it is an all right organization, that it is doing the right thing. Beyond that, is the Muslim Brotherhood also fomenting violence? Is it fomenting jihad? Is it fomenting activism in the sense of trying to get people to do destructive acts in the United States? Yes, of course. Absolutely they are. There is, and I'll give you another example that's very, very, so it's one of the most disturbing things that I've ever uncovered. Since 2015, the Muslim Brotherhood Front Organization, the Council on Islamic Relations, CARE, and the U.S. Council for Muslim Organizations, U.S. CMO, organized an event which they call Muslim Advocacy Day on the Hill. And they have hundreds of participants that go and push for Islamist causes. And one of the, the number two guy in U.S. CMO used to be Osama bin Laden's Webmaster. Oh, really? Yup, and he takes selfies with senators and politicians. What kind of message is this sending to the world? To Muslim Americans. He's making friends. So can you believe that? That Osama bin Laden's Webmaster. Don't they know? Don't they know? Yes, I got this information from the U.S. government, by the way. They are the ones who said that Mazen Muhtar, the number was operating a mirror site for azam.com, which was the official Al-Qaeda website. In the United States, he was affiliated, his website, with the terrorist who killed, who perpetrated the Bislan massacre, where 400 children were killed. Do you remember the Bislan massacre school in Russia for 100 children were slaughtered? He was affiliated with this animal. And this guy's lobbying your officials. But does it stop there? Of course not. It just gets worse if you can believe it. Among the delegates that roam the halls of the people's house, that roam the halls of the hallways of the people's house is another guy who is for years in communication with a key terrorist, a key ISIS terrorist in Egypt who tried to blow up the police academy in Cairo. And this guy who was lobbying on the hill, the terrorist used to call him my mentor, my teacher. So the teacher of the ISIS terrorists is lobbying Congress. He's called Al-Yahi Al-Muntasr. And you could read this with screenshots, with pictures, evidence with pictures. It's not a conspiracy theory if they're saying it themselves. You could read it on the website of the Middle East forum. If you type Cynthia Farahad. What is the website of the Middle East forum? It's MEforum.org, something like that? Yes, .yes, MEforum.org. Or you can also see it on CynthiaFarahad.com, my website, justmyname.com. And you could read the full report. There's terrifying stuff in there. And these are the people that are roaming Congress. Muslim contact me and say, we are scared to death from these guys. We can't speak out. They beat them up in mosques if they speak out against these guys. So now they're terrorizing Muslim Americans. They're hijacking representation of Muslim Americans. They are pushing for destruction and war across the world. The death of people like me. That's what they're pushing for policies that would 100% result. You mentioned that they're terrorizing the Muslim community in the United States. Well, we know it's pretty big community and not every Muslim is a terrorist, obviously. But we do have too, on this lobbying issue, we do have at least two, maybe more Muslim members of Congress right now. As of the 2018 election. And I wonder if there's any connection there. Is the effort of the Muslim Brotherhood directed at them? Are they sympathetic with the Muslim Brotherhood? What do you know about that? Yes. I know that Elan Omar is received funding from Muslim Brotherhood Front organizations. And she's constantly in contact with them. She's even doing webinars with them right now with the corona thing going on. She's constantly doing webinars with the organization with Osama bin Laden's Webmaster. So yes, of course, they're supported by the Brotherhood because the Muslim Brotherhood, by the way, are incredibly selective and cautious about who they choose to back up. They do not randomly back up politicians. They do much better research than their opponents. The people who they deal with, the people who they select, can we say that those people know the story? The story you've been telling about what the Muslim Brotherhood really stands for, what it really does. Do they know? Do these Congress women in the Congress, do they know, do you think? 100% they know because this is how this works. First of all, these women, they understand Arabic. And anyone who speaks Arabic, that's not a secret anymore. It's done. It's over. This is not every, if you ask a 10 year old in Egypt, what is the Muslim Brotherhood, they will tell you. Everybody knows what they are. Okay, so infiltrated the schools, infiltrated the Congress. Where does it all go? If the United States does not designate them as an organization of concern, a terrorist organization, and they continue the efforts described in those documents that were found in the Chesapeake Bay case, where does it take us? Where does it take them in this country? If you just unfold that without any constraint, what effect does it have on our democracy? So absolute destruction, that's what they're after. I know, I've interviewed the most important defector, whoever defected from the Muslim Brotherhood, it's called Tarwat al-Kherbawi. He's an astonishing character. And this man told me, I told him, what is the end game? He was their attorney, by the way, for like 20 years. So he knows where the bodies are buried, he knows all the secrets. And I told him, what is the end game? He said, the United Islamic States of America, that's the end game. That's what we call it among ourselves. That's what we called it for the past 60 years. And what does that look like? What is the United... It looks like the other oppressive regimes around the world. That's the end game. And it happens stealthily. And there are several types of ways. They don't only do it through infiltration and convincing people. There's a lot of money involved. I was offered millions of dollars to tweak what I'm saying, tweak it. Interesting. Yes, millions of dollars and I have proof. I have proof that I was offered this amount of money, an obscene amount of money every year. But you did not take that, you did not tweak it. What was the ramification of that, that you rejected those proposals? What happened? Nothing happened. I just told them in a very inappropriate language what they can do with this money. And I just left it to that. And now they... And it happened several times. So when you hear someone saying that the Muslim Brotherhood is not a terrorist organization, they've either received money or they're super ignorant about the topic. But there isn't anywhere... There's nothing else in between. And I think you mentioned at some point, maybe before the show, that they are responsible or rather they are parent organization too, or related to Hamas and Hezbollah, am I right? Hamas, yes. Hamas is actually the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's their chapter. Not Hezbollah. No, Hezbollah is Shi'it. So it's a different sect. Oh, this is Sunni, that's right. So what we have here in the Muslim Brotherhood is a Sunni organization. Yes, but they also work with Iran. They also work with the Mullahs there because they have a very interesting relationship. Very, very interesting relationship. I'm writing about this extensively in my book. It's going to come out sometime hopefully this year. How can we follow you, Cynthia? I mean, how can we follow your books, your writings? Middle East Farm is one place. Any other places we can look at? Yes, you can find my work on my website, CynthiaFarahad.com. Okay. And you can follow me on my page, on Facebook also. Okay, you're easier to find actually. Yes, absolutely. I googled you and I got a whole bunch of stuff. All consistent with this discussion. So let me ask you one last question. We only have a minute left and I really want to ask this one. So right now, you know, we have a lot of degradation in the relationship between this administration, the Trump administration and the intelligence community in this country. It seems very dicey increasingly so as we go forward. And I would assume the intelligence community in this country knows what's going on, whether the country has in fact designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization or not. They know. They must know. So the question is, what are they doing? What can they do? And if all things be right, what can the country do? What can we do in order to deal with the threat that you described from the quote, infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood into our media and our institutions? There are fantastic and mostly patriotic people working in intelligence communities. That's been my experience. Unfortunately, that's a political decision designating the Brotherhood as a terrorist group. That's a political decision. The Pentagon has a say in that as well, unfortunately, and they're not on board. So that's why I decided to take my fight in a book to the American people because you are guys, you're the ones who can change things, not the intelligence community. They're going to be pressured to do it. But the way to do it is talk to your congressional offices. Tell them there's a bill, there's a supported to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist group. Support that. You owe it to us as taxpayers and to vote as voters to do something. That bill is sitting in Congress right now. It is. Has that been sitting there for a while or is it recently? Oh yeah, it's been sitting there for quite some time. So what political forces are holding it up? People are busy with other things. They're not interested. This is something else that people need to know. They think that we are beyond the 9-11 world and we are beyond Islamic terrorism. We are in the pre-9-11 era, not the post-9-11 era. And that's what people need to understand. One more thing comes to mind Cynthia. We're in the middle of a crisis right now over coronavirus. And it affects everything, everything in our world. It certainly affects the government. They're involved up to their eyeballs. It affects all my community. It certainly affects the media. It affects every country. I'm not sure what countries are dealing with it right now. I'm sure you're dealing with it personally. And the people in Middle East Forum aren't dealing with it. But the question is, does the coronavirus affect the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood? Has it slowed them down? Has it accelerated them? Did they see this as an opportunity? Yes. That's a great question because there's something called now Corona Jihad. Corona Jihad. Oh yes, yes, yes. There's a terrorist in New York called Begat Sabir. He's not in prison, but hopefully soon he will be. He's a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. And they said that the Brotherhood issued a fatwa that if anyone has the snivels, they should go and hug the infidels, especially the infidels. Really? Yeah, because in case you have coronavirus, that's why it's called Corona Jihad. And they said specifically for Egyptian government officials and policemen and military personnel, just hug them. That's what I call opportunism. Well, thank you, Cynthia. It's been wonderful to talk to you. Farahana with the Middle East Forum and the fellow there. And I hope we can circle back and talk with you again as all of these things unfold. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Thank you for having me.