 So I'll call the public work to me if you don't. And roll call, we'll go with roll call first. Sure. Yes, so under person, Oren. Here. Becker, is he online? He isn't. He, no, he didn't join. Okay, all right. Salazar, here. Avanya. Present. Very good, so we are all here, side of our region. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. First item is the approval of the minutes from August 24th. Motion to approve, second. Very good, so the motion has been seconded. Any discussion? All right, all those in favor say aye. Aye. The chair votes aye. The minutes are approved. The first item on the agenda of today is 3.1. Resolution number 532122, July 7, 2021, document 5.5, which localize in the appropriate state of officials to execute the release agreement between the city of Sheboygan, the Albert H. May Environmental Park Association of Sheboygan County and the Sheboygan County YMCA. Madam Chair, this is, as in front of you, item 4 consideration this evening is the agreement as presented to the committee. And I know that Assistant City Attorney Chuck Thomas Cameron is here, as well as Chuck Adams in the attorney's office have been instrumental in reviewing this. And I believe the members of Elwood May and the YMCA here this evening, as well as members of the public. So I would, with your permission, I would turn it over to Assistant City Attorney. Please, Brad. In the interim between when this was referred to committee or when it was submitted to council, and now there were a handful of sort of minor tweaks to the agreement, all of which have been worked through with all of the relevant parties. I would describe the sort of broadest substance of the agreement as being unchanged. It's still the idea of renting the space and providing for that. Really, the bulk of it deals with changing some dates in a way that hopefully makes a little bit more sense for how, at some point, when termination of this agreement occurs, how that works, how the notice works, having a term that runs sort of through the summer rather than ending with school so that any summer programs would fit under one term. A handful of other sort of technical items. We have the correct legal name of the Sheboygan County YMCA, which is important to, I think everyone involved, but I think we've maybe had it not entirely correct in the past, so we got that cleaned up. And I would say that's sort of the substance of these revisions. So when it comes to that point, we would recommend that the motion be to approve the resolution with the amended contract. Good, it's not an amendment to the resolution, just a slightly tweaked approval motion. And I'm certainly happy to speak to any questions you may have on the document. Yes, Savad? Thank you. Rent 0.10, can you just run me through no greater than the larger of a 5% increase or CPI? So if you get CPI that jumps to like 23% or something crazy like that, that would be the maximum raise there thing, not 5%. So no greater than the larger of 5% or CPI. So that would be, yes, if CPI goes up 23%, 22% could be imposed, which doesn't mean that it would be. And then conversely, if CPI ends up being 1%, we could still go up 5%. Yes, okay, cool. Thank you. Yes, I have a question for you. I'll make a motion to approve as amended. Second. Very good. So the motion has been seconded. Any other discussion on this? No, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Chair says aye. What's aye? The motion has been approved. Item 3.2, resolution number 54, 21, 22, July 7, 21, have a good evening, 21, document 5.6, a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into a contract with the larger LFC for the purchase of a prefabricated bridge to be installed in Evergreen Park. Who takes that? And Chair, I'm going to defer this to the city engineer, Ryan Sasma. And if we'll point you to the map on the screen, we're going to pull up Evergreen Park and give you at least an idea of where this is being located. Shiboy and Corey, East of this on the north side of Shiboy again, Evergreen Park, Area 5 has its own separate entrance that comes off of Highway 42 or Cali-Emet Drive and out there. And currently there's a pedestrian bridge in this location that is old not very structurally sound. And this will be removed and the new bridge will be located in this orientation how I have the cursor on the screen. And as we mentioned, it's a prefabricated bridge. And again, I'm going to let Ryan lead the discussion in terms of the particulars on this bridge. Yeah, as David mentioned, that's an existing wooden bridge that's been there forever. This project has been on a radar for a long time and we were finally able to chase down some grant money from the paper's part of this. And getting a nice metal bridge in there has just been enhanced everything. It's going to allow EPW vehicles that kind of go back and forth when it comes to cleaning the parks after an event at Area 5. It'll help a lot of us making spirits bright for their operation. Yeah, so like I said, we just had this on a radar for a long time. That wooden bridge is just, yeah, it's not good. It's time, it's been time for a while. So we're going to put just a small pedestrian bridge. It'll handle like the size of a half ton pickup truck or a ton of pickup truck to go back and forth with. But it'll just make a lot more sense to have that and really be for everybody. Can I ask why we're not putting it where the other bridge was, like why we're moving it over to a different angle? It'll just work all strategically better. We're going to extend the parking lot and stuff like that. Okay. Actually, we're going to have like an AD ramp also. Going to it. Actually, this will allow equipment. Right now, this is so close to the edge of the road here that making that turn is nearly impossible. It's okay for a pedestrian. But now if we have a small pickup truck or a ski trail rumor, that will be traveling across the bridge. This gives more lead-up to exit into the bridge itself. Okay. Won't this also help us deal with that issue between making spirits right and the people that ski? Correct. So we will have less conflict in our community if we put the bridge there. Okay. But David's right. This way, when a vehicle pulls up to it, it'll be straight on. So we're trying to make a crazy turn into it. And like you said, we will have a path leading up. So let's just get the bridge in place and our DPW crews are able to pave the path and extend the parking lot. So it's really going to be a nice addition to evergreen. Thanks, sir. Picture of it. No, I don't. It's a middle bridge similar to the stuff you might see on Taylor Drive or on Highway 23. Thank you. I'm sorry, yeah. No, not at all. And we were awarded already the grant for that, right? Yes. And just that I see a discrepancy, it's going to be 176,000 or 151,000 times? 151,000. Okay. So what it says that 176,000 was allocated to replacement of the bridge. Well, there's going to be some other costs. Right, there's some other costs. Like the path and that I was talking about stuff like that. Yeah. There's some engineering that's going to this bridge also for the designer. For the designer. Madam chair. Are the person aboard? Thank you. When I read this over, where's it real clear? I presume wheeler lumber is going to do the installation too. Oh, what we'll do is we'll get the, no, no, we'll, we'll, we'll bid out the construction portion of it. We'll be coming back with another contract. All right. Yeah. It wasn't clear on the document that I read yesterday that who was going to do the installation. No, don't write it. It'll just be better. The guy bids out of, you know, the bridge is here. You can go pick it up. They don't have the contractor to worry about any ordering or any of that stuff we, it's here, it's own. So that's, that's the cleanest way to do it. This is similar to what it will be. Oh yeah. Those are very nice. So it's, it comes pre-fab made, comes shipped to us. And then we just have to do the prep work and it gets set in place with a crate. It's going to be 12 feet wide. It's going to have like a little fishing nook out. You know, like a little balcony that people can go to. That was, that was part of the ranch. You had to have it in there. So. Just to follow up on it, Madam Chair. That's, that's nothing that we would consider doing in a householdry. Oh, no. What kind of a company would bid on that? I heard that Joseph Schmidt puts them in, but there's companies out there. Yeah, I heard Joseph Schmidt puts, puts self them in. Yeah. Companies like that. Okay. And since I have been asked about this bridge already a few months ago, I think it's an old, old project, right? It's an idea that came a long, long time ago. Because I was asked about this. And do we have any unrelated to this? I mean, to our actual today. Do we have an idea when we would then work on the actual installation? This winter. Okay. Yeah, this winter. All right, very good. Thank you. All right. Do we have a motion? Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Very good. So motion has been seconded. Any other discussion on this? No, okay. So all those in favor say aye. Aye. The chair goes aye. The motion passes. So item number 3.3. Resolution number 555-21-22, July 7th, 2021. Document 5.7. A resolution authorizing the purchasing agent to issue a purchase order to industrial marketing and constructing for the purchase over the Placement Street's reader for the Public Works Department. We'll take this one. Yeah. And Chair, this is as the item for consideration this evening, this is actually for a 2022 year replacement, but we need to place the order now and due to the lack of availability of equipment and production. So we're placing the order now, but we don't pay anything until next year this has been approved within the 2022 budget for capital improvements. And it's coming out of the Motor Vehicle Fund. And in other words, it's not being borrowed funds or any of that, this is cashed within that fund that is earmarked for this, but it's necessary though for us to place the order. That's why it's up for consideration now, given the fact of the supply chain and the issues of trying to secure this. So we have it for next spring when we sweep the streets in spring after the winter season. Good, thank you. Any questions on this? Other person for us? Thank you, Madam Chair. David, do we have one street sweeper? Is this gonna be that? We have three, we have three. And we have one TINCO that we purchased and we got received delivery this year. This is a replacement of another older street sweeper next year, similar to the one that we received this year. All right. And that's with the, it's not the old style sweeper. This is a regenerative ear. It's almost like it's like a vacuum type. It's not just brooms and... Yep. Okay. We do have a fourth one that is the broom that we use to bake out, which is for big sticks. But it's so old and we just keep that for the yard and such. Yeah, okay. Yeah, the three are the regenerative ear. Okay. Motion to approve. Just a second. Good. So, any other discussion on this? Just one comment. For $300,000, how much more would it be to get it self-driving? It seems like it's coming. It's coming? 2024? Maybe a little longer now. Okay. It's coming here. All the same flavor? Aye. Share with us with the motion passes. Item 3.4, number 562122, July 7, 2021, document 9.2, a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to accept the necessary permanent and temporary easements for the city to construct a sidewalk on the north side of Union Avenue. Six, six, six. Sure, I got it. The city is globally reconstructing Union Avenue from George Avenue to South 26th Street. And it's the only section of Union Avenue that's never really been reconstructed in the last 50, 60 years. So we're reconstructing the road. And the big driver of this was the development. We wanted to make sure Union Avenue is up to city standards. And we have sidewalk and Union Avenue all the way from Lake Michigan, all the way to Taylor Drive, except for this one section. Part of was the road never got upgraded before the sidewalk never got put in. So that's how we need these permanent easements. One of them is from the school district, and the other one is from one of the several property owners there. And those school districts is pretty excited about the sidewalks. They like having the ability of children to walk to school. And it looks like only two, so you need the only two easements, right? Yeah, these are permanent easements. So these are easements that'll be there forever. I'll be coming back with a couple, there'll be some other easements, just temporary grading easements. But the sidewalk, you might have to grade back in a yard, we need like five or six of those. But for the time being, we need these permanent ones are the most critical ones. So one point of clarification, the way we wrote this resolution, we've authorized the mayor and city clerk to enter into those temporary limited easements for grading or construction purposes or things like that. And part of the thought in doing it that way was sometimes in the course of construction, the easement you need ends up being a little bigger than you thought. And we wanna make sure that things can move forward so we can get things built in a way that makes sense. And they are temporary and limited. 100% Zavani? Thank you. While back up the road on Evans, they redid some of the corners. And one of my neighbors over there had all sorts of weeds sprout up when they replanted the grass. She had a heck of a time getting somebody to go back out there and actually put down grass seed instead of weed seed, call it. Is there a plan to actually put grass down where you're gonna be grading and everything in this new place in a way that's not gonna cause this homeowner to be upset? Yeah, we'll plant grass seed in the way out. Just by being late in the season, we'll have to come back in the spring to touch it up again, which is the way it is. That grass between the cherries, between the curb and the sidewalk, that's tough because it comes up when it's never really as nice as your lawn is because you've got salt on it from the dirt. But yeah, we will touch up anything that doesn't come up this year. That's pretty difficult. Thank you very much. Do you need the water? Right. The homeowner. The homeowner's ownership. Right, nothing else. She watered it every day and it got to be this huge forest of blood. So I'm like, just bad seed. So if you weed and feed that really heavy, you'll kill the weeds and the grass will come up, but yeah, you have to take a little home ownership if it helps. There for somebody. Thank you, ma'am, I'm sure. I'm just trying to visualize this now where the blood plasma part of places, is there already sidewalk there? I get them last year through your oral process. Okay, so then it'll be continuous and all the way after cross-tailor drive and then you'll be at the hospital. Pretty much from the entrance of horseman schools. Okay, and it'll still have a bike path, right? There's a bike path in here, right? A union of, no, there will not be a bike trail marked on there. Okay. No, but it'll be a sidewalk or something they'll be able to use. Yeah, okay. So you can ride your bike on the sidewalk. Well. To get to the tailor bike path. Technically, you're not supposed to, I don't think so. But it's the options there. But no, I don't believe you need to have a new bike trail. Okay, I thought it was. Yeah, okay. All right, any more questions? All right, so, we voted on that already, right? So then. No, no, no, no, no, no. Emotion, very good. Do we have a motion for that? Thank you. Thank you, have a motion and a second. Second, so the motion and second, second date. So then we can vote, also all those in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye, the chair votes high as well. So the motion passes. I'm sorry for that. 3.5, there is just a little change on that. Since there was no document of the resolution attached, I propose to hold on this item. And perhaps there will be an exception to the rule will be proposed to the common council next meeting. Do we need a motion for that? You would want a motion to hold. A motion to hold. Second. Very good. All those in favor. Aye. The chair votes high. So that motion passes on number four. So the number 4.1, general ordinance number 20, 21, 22, over 16, 20, 21, document 7.3. And ordinance creating the north parking zone on the north side of 9th Street, north of Central Avenue. Who takes that? I can take that. The reason I'm passing all the picture here is because the construction of the city, all the parking lot and all the different types of parking on the street is so new. It's not any Google Earth or anything like that. That's why I wouldn't have the picture of it. So it might help what the DPW is trying to accomplish. You can see that this is the west side of city hall on north 9th Street. And you can see there's one green space area there where we have a sign up right now. It says no parking police orders. And there's several reasons why we want to eliminate that one spot. It's really only enough room for one spot because there's two driveways at a crosswalk on both sides of that green space. One reason is I've had calls from people trying to exit the parking lot on the north side of city hall, which is the main entrance. When they want to exit, the cars will kind of, the parks will close to the exit of the driveway. If people have issues with sight distance trying to pull out, that's what I had several of those phone calls. And the other phone call, the other, actually the most practical one is there's a dumpster location. You see those where the silver doors are on the right hand side of the picture. And what's really convenient when you pick up garbage there is that we need a spot to pull up that garbage truck and then get the dumpsters out from there. If there's a car park there, it just doesn't, it doesn't work very well. And also, we do have the city hall sign there. So when you see that city hall sign, it really tells the individuals, this is the entrance of city hall. I think for so many years, people are used to coming off the center avenue. So that's why I just wanted to eliminate that one parking spot. There's two parking spots on the right hand side of the hydrogen, do you see where that is? There's two meter spots over there. That we talked about. One space in there. One space in there. So we sort of, this was proposed to us in the last meeting. And we understood sort of what they're being proposed. We still feel strongly that, well, we suggested to go back and look at trying to put in one spot, at least, you know, not eliminate. We had initially talked about two cars there. And then there was discussion about the dumpster or not the dumpster, the hauling product is parking there. I guess to me, it doesn't really matter who parks there or what's parked there. Is that if we put a spot that limits it for say 30 minutes or two hours or whatever, then they can move on. Did that get discussed with you? Or are we just saying what you're sharing with us is just like, this is what you want to put forward? Yeah, it's what I want to put forward is to eliminate, number one, eliminate any kind of site distance issues. But for someone leaving city hall, number two, when you're picking up garbage, those are fake trucks. Last thing you want to be doing is if you get any chance of start banging in the cars. So it's just nice to have it nice and clean. Plus, if you technically try to put two spots in there and you got to stay. We're okay with just one. A one spot. Technically, I don't think you would get two spots in there because you got to stay five feet away from each driveway. Plus, there is a crosswalk on the south side of the green space area. And so this is not enough room for two spots. Right, but even one spot. I mean, there's not enough room for one spot, not room for two spots. So you can't eliminate it. It's just not enough room for two spots. Except if it's my car. Yeah. That's a zero. I'll draw the 500. Two questions. So, may I? Please. Talk about the pickup of the garbage, which happened how many times we get pickup at City Hall? Well, I'd say once a week. Once a week, yeah. But at the same time, the businesses on Pennsylvania Avenue between 8th Street and 9th Street, they've got that little alleyway. And I see cars parked on both sides of that alleyway. And we don't get a lot of car hits there. That I'm aware of. What business are you talking about? The one that's like, we sell on eBay in the yarn shop. Slides. What else is there? Mona Lisa. That little alleyway in some block away. And we still have cars parked on either side where you get trash pickup. I just don't know if we've hit the mark here. This really isn't putting the hurt on a neighborhood if we eliminate this one parked inside. It's not like in a neighborhood where you got a bunch of upper lower flats with parking as a premium. You're really not, I don't see what they live in. I don't expect the hurt of having a vehicle parked. There's no hurt in having a vehicle parked either. But it's just gonna make things cleaner for people. But exit is city hall. You said you have the sign there. It really tells you the entrance to it. So that was the thinking behind it. Okay. So you get a car parked there. You're not gonna see the city hall entrance. The sign to me is that there's a lot of other places that I pointed out the last meeting that have some parking in front of a sign. So for me, it doesn't feel like that's a big issue. That person bought it. Thank you, Madam Chair. I like the new sign. What I brought this up a few months ago is why don't we have a small sign on Center Avenue? I mean, I think everybody in Sheboygan knows the city hall but a lot of people come down East Street and take a left. There's nothing there identifying it as city hall. I mean, maybe it doesn't have to be as elaborate as long as we have by the parking lot over here, but something there that says, Sheboygan city hall and maybe say parking with an arrow around the corner, whatever. But at least identifying it as city hall, maybe that's something somebody from the department could maybe discuss with Chad and see if we just maybe want to add something. I just think of it and make it similar to the one we have over here. I think it would look nice and it would give further direction for people. Yeah, I think it's a nice idea. It's a good idea, but it's unrelated to this subject, right? I mean, what is the relationship between this and not? There's no. Well, I saw the sign on the picture, so I thought it would work. Yeah. Okay, good. But obviously if the committee wants to keep a spot there, we can keep a spot there. It's not necessarily up to the committee. I'm just giving you a reason why PPW is requesting us to clean, keep it open. But if we wanted to leave only one spot, I mean, a parking spot, then we should change our resolution, right? I'd have to draft a whole new resolution because we're going to do that. We should get, I would think we'd want to get a meter in there and that would be the most practical thing to do. Yeah, this is actually my next question. How do you actually determine, I mean, how do you explain that visually? There is only one spot. You would market with paint. But again, I said the three reasons are the sight distance people exiting the park. I assume, I mean, I'm not up at City Hall that much myself, but I assume they're parking lots. He's pretty heavily on the thing behind the north side of City Hall. Would that stall be then right outside the west window of the clerk's office? Is that where that one stall would be? Well, Jim, it would be where that cross-buck sign is in the picture. The what sign? Oh, the two of us. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. It would be north of the clerk's window. Yeah. North of the clerk's window, but it would be before the dumpster holder. No, it would be north of the dumpster holder. I don't know. I'd have a problem there with blocking that sign and blocking people wanting to get hitting on a parking lot. And then what's kind of kicked this off was the phone calls I had for sight distance issues. From city employees or people living in City Hall? Just so people would call me up. I think there's two people trying to park there. Yeah. I think if you eliminated that one, do you think that by having only one spot, it wouldn't be there? No. So you still wouldn't be as clean and open as it is now. But I said, the DPW's recommendation is just, just don't have any parking. It'd be different if parking was such a premium. I've never heard of City Hall parking lot being full. So it's not like in some of these residential neighbors, we have upper and lower flats. We have high spot columns in a lot of your neighborhoods like that. That's not the issue here. But then it's up to the community what they want to do. So if we were looking to have a resolution that just had the one spot there, best course of action would be two. So there's a couple of places you can go with this. One of them would be to forward the ordinance back to council. Normally things go back to council with a recommendation to approve. You can forward things back either with a neutral recommendation or with a recommendation to vote down. Both of which are options. One of the things that we talked about at the last meeting was trying to amend the ordinance at the committee level and then move it forward from there. That would also be an option. There's sort of various levels of ways to do that. The document itself, it would be a motion to hold with sort of instructions from the committee to draft something. The other way that that could be done is you send everything to council and it's a motion to... At council it becomes a motion to instruct staff to draft a document that puts a metered spot there, essentially. Didn't we do that in the minutes of the last meeting? Yeah, I think it was in a motion to hold this. It was in a motion to hold change it to be one spot. And then they would go back, propose something back to one spot. We got the exact same proposal without the one spot. So I'm trying to... The city engineer was not here at the last meeting and he was the principal author of this and he felt that if he wanted to give an opportunity to explain it to the committee before that change was implemented, we have time, we can bring it back to the next meeting. It's been no parking for the last four months now. So another two weeks, he can redo the ordinance and we can bring it back to the committee for consideration in those directions. Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. I've got a real problem with the parking spot there, particularly if it's a large SUV, an F-150 or bigger truck, I'm not an expert on trucks, but if that thing is parked there, number one you're not going to see the sign and you're not going to see the driveway. If somebody is coming out, coming out, their vision is going to be black on 9th Street. I've got a problem with it for one parking stall because it's not an urgent need for a parking spot there, in my opinion. Yes, I actually have this... I feel the same. I feel that since there is no issue with parking in that area, especially for the city's employee, I feel comfortable with it and I agree that it's cleaner. So I feel comfortable without a parking spot, saving a parking spot on that. I'm going to make a motion to approve it as presented by the city engineer with no parking spots. That's how it reads. All right. Do we have any second? Does the chair have the option of seconding the motion? I believe you do. All right. So I step on that motion. Any further discussion? I'd like to make one additional comment here. Whether there is a need for parking or not shouldn't be how we designate whether the parking is allowed. We should by default let people do what they'd like as long as it's within a responsible manner. So to just say you can't park there because you don't need to park there is a terrible precedent to set. Especially also over a sign, you know, or a space. Like we have tight areas other places. It doesn't feel that way. Yes. I appreciate that insight. What I'm feeling is, I mean, my opinion, this is that I agree that due to the average size of American vehicles, that is in fact would be one and a half spot. I agree that especially with SUVs. So I don't think in this case and due to the fact that there are the five feet of requirements from the driveways and the idea that from the right side. So we have a few arguments in favor of that and not. So I just proposed to go to this. So you have a second motion. Then we all those in favor say aye. Aye. Chair votes aye. Any opposing? Aye. Aye. So we have to oppose to favoring. So the motion does not pass because it's a 2-2. This doesn't happen very often at the committee level. Frequently when we get into the 2-2 situation where things ultimately end up landing is a recommendation to approve the council with a neutral recommendation. You're not bound by that. We can go round and round and vote 2-2 on things. But frequently that is the mechanism to say there is disagreement. The committee, it is very clearly split and it's going back to council, but not going back to council with a recommendation. Yes. So we do have, we need a motion for that. So you would need a motion for that and you need a vote for that if that was the desire for where the committee wanted to go. All right. I think that is a very reasonable round to take. Do we have a motion on that? No. Very good. So we have a motion, seconded motion. Any other discussion on that? All right. So all those in favor say aye. Aye. Chair votes aye. The motion passes. So the exact motion that has been passed is that to hold, to actually to send it to the, to the common council as a neutral recommend, with no recommendation. That's it. Correct. And then the council will vote as they vote on, on everything. Correct. Even, even things with a positive recommendation. So we passed that to the common council. Very good. So the motion passes. Good. And with that, we have exhausted all the items on our agenda. The next meeting is September 28, 2021. Do we have a motion to adjust? So moved. Again. Very good. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Chair votes aye. Motion passes. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you.