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We had met at the Lions restaurant and it was really interesting because how well adjusted she was because she did that and then she said well I don't want to do TV anymore. I'm just gonna move on to another career path and I've noticed especially with child actors that do kind of like I got other stuff outside of just being on TV that they seem to they seem to mature pretty well like what's a Miriam Balanica writer. She did was that what's that her name the girlfriend on big bang big bang theory that used to be that was blossom blossom. She has a PhD like and so does Winnie from from 100 years. Yeah it's funny how they some of them just disappear from the limelight and then you find out later that they went on to like rad stuff that had nothing to do with Hollywood. Well yeah Rupert what's his name Ron Weasley. Oh Rupert Grint yeah he's got his own thing he just does his own things he doesn't really want to do movies. Well he tried a few and it really worked out I'm all for this. I'm not sure that's why though well and maybe it is I'm just saying like the few things that I've read about him he's like yeah just not my thing. Yeah you know whereas like Emma Hermione she had a couple of things that didn't work out but she just kept kept at it. Yeah that's true I think you know I don't know I think it's just hard for kids who are being pushed around by adults to do what they should do. Like who knows maybe the maybe the Hames the Corey Hames and the Corey Feldman's of the world have less tragic stories to tell if they didn't have so many adults trying to cram Hollywood down their throats and gave them other options or something. I don't know but for that we must do our tech news show now. Yes that's a great note to end on before we do the show here we go. Daily Tech News show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech News show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday August 17th 2016 oh me I'm just Tom Merritt but he's Scott Johnson the man behind the instance the morning stream boop and more. Yes much more so we so I'm thrilled to be here I just wanted to say this I'm glad the show is on Wednesdays because I got this like weird summer cold flu thing on Monday. And if it would have been that day you would have had them like like the most drunk on cold medicine version of Scott you've ever had now I feel like we missed out on something. Oh you didn't trust me I think I was revealing things about myself that day that nobody wanted to hear so now I really think we missed out on something. Oh I hate to get in the chills in the 90 degree weather that's bad it's real bad but listen I made it through I'm OK now and listen technology waits for no man. Absolutely I'm so glad that you're healthy and back with us we are going to talk about headphone jacks and the removal there off on phones. Apple CEO Tim Cook is on his second trip to China in four months he's promising to set up a research center there within the next year. Cisco is rumored to be preparing to lay off 14000 people up to 20% of its workforce as it shifts from hardware to software focus and while ways 5.2 inch honor 8 phone is available for pre-order in the US for 400 bucks you can even get a 50 buck discount here are some more top stories. This is the big one Intel announced a partnership with arm. Let's let a few of you who hadn't possibly run across this already take a seat and wipe your brow now. They're going to let third parties use Intel's 10 nanometer FinFET foundries say that five times fast to produce chips based on arms artisan design. Now the customized designs that Qualcomm makes where they kind of tweak the design those won't be of interest Intel isn't going to let their competitors come in and do that. But if you want to take an off the shelf arm design and run it on the foundry you can in a technical session at the forum the Intel developers forum Intel said LG will use Intel to produce arm chips for mobile devices. So LG is the first up to take advantage of this Intel began its custom foundry business for outside chip makers back in 2010 so letting competitors or letting outside parties I should say use Intel's foundries to make chips is not new. Our chronix was using it using the 22 nanometer capacity previously but letting someone who's a competitor in the mobile space arm do this is a is brand new and somewhat of an admission that Intel while they're not stopping making atom chips is turning their focus elsewhere. You could have only surprised me more with this information today had it been Intel saying that AMD chips were going to be made in their foundries. Right I think that you're right like and AMD or or or yeah yeah that's kind of the only thing weirder than this and it is a bit of a white flag it's also very smart for Intel to say well if we can't make inroads with Adam let's at least make some money off the mobile devices out there. And at this point the mobile device market is starting to mature so growth projections are leveling out which means Intel showing off their VR headset yet yesterday project alloy showing off other things that you can do with Intel technology for Internet of Things is is the growth direction for Intel at this point. Yeah it doesn't it does make me feel a little bad for them on the timing given that they've had such a foothold in processors for so long and to have missed the mobile boat a little bit. Quite a bit it turns out enough for them to say hey we'll make some armchips I mean that they they obviously would much rather be the company that everybody's putting their processors into all these devices and it's just not happening not at the rate they need it to so I hope what this means is by embracing this. Their focus is on something else that will make them sustainable over the long haul but I still feel like there's something missing here if if Intel is not directly involved with where's mobile's head and I don't just mean phones I mean just Internet of Things devices of all types the smaller things that we're buying. Who's going to be fueling those with CPUs and it doesn't sound like they're going to be the ones and this seems like a bit of an admission of defeat. But I still rather have this then have them you know just keep fighting against a you know a wave they can never overcome. Well yeah to be clear Intel is not giving up the Internet of Things space though those sensors are smaller they're different Intel is going to continue to fight for that it's it's the phones and tablets market that it is willing to say yeah fine arm. I guess the other big thing that they could have done to surprise us is say oh the next generation of atom processors will be an arm design. That would really be waving the white flag totally would be I mean they've left they've left us a wake of competitors behind them in the past you know power PC. You could start you although there's still some cases for where it's being used but that stuff went away why because of Intel's strength and dominance and this is one place they couldn't do it sometimes I just think I feel like anyway some companies get so big and so good at the thing they do that they just aren't looking. At this little tiny thing that runs past them and then becomes the next big thing and yeah. And at this point Intel's like we tried we missed it let's move on. So here's a wireless headset. Kobo announces new are a reader it's an e-reader and we'll go on sale in Canada and the US September 6 for $249 and 229 respectively. Our has a 7.8 inch 300 PPI display. This makes it officially the largest high-res e-ink screen that you can get today and beats all all of the offerings over at Amazon. It's a 6.9 millimeter thick weighs 230 grams and meets IPX 8 water resistance able to withstand 2 meters of water. It's good for you vacationers dropping at the pool UK France and the Netherlands Germany Spain Japan and Turkey are also going to get it on the 6th at different price points. How much of a share do they have of that market I wonder like I always hear about these Kobos and I get kind of interested because a lot of my nerdiest friends on the fringes of what's cool are reading books on Kobo devices. And that's the thing that surprises me not not surprises me now but over the state over the the years is that we have seen Kobo hold on it looked like Amazon was just going to run everybody out of the market right. Here's another example we got two stories in a row where the obvious predominant manufacturer of something didn't dominate a market as well as we think now that's not to say Amazon is not dominating e-readers they absolutely are. But Kobo by all rights should be on the skids and instead they actually seem to be doing quite well even gaining a little bit of market share. And I think that's why this is getting so much attention because they're now out. I don't want to say out innovating because that's overstating it but they are they're putting they're pushing the boundaries a little in ways that Amazon isn't really willing to do. Amazon's been making very incremental upgrades to the Kindle. So if you really want a larger high res screen something like you say that's that's good around you know a little bit of water when you're out at the beach or on vacation. You might be looking at a Kobo they seem to have withstood the onslaught. Yeah in a way it feels like a segmentation of that market that's healthy and in the way that like you know you and I can go buy PC of various power we can get a notebook we can get a whatever from Dell or from Apple or from HP or something and get get done what work we need to get done or we can invest in some crazy half custom built gaming PC or something to do video editing on and high end gaming on or something. I'm not saying that this is that equivalent of that but it does it feels like a segment of the market that's kind of specialized weirdly and I barely know anything about Kobo's and I get that impression from the website from the marketing from the fact that they're kind of an underdog and don't care like I think it's great this this sort of thing is important and what ends up happening if you don't have this is you just have stagnant growth in an area that I am really fond of which is the reader so I say go for it Kobo and I wouldn't mind seeing one I wouldn't mind holding one and seeing what I think of it it's I'm getting close to upgrade time so TV and digital publisher I still want to call it Univision because they started with Spanish language channels but I hear everyone calling Univision so has agreed to pay $135 million for Gawker media makers of Gizmodo and lifehacker and I09 Mark Patrikoff the hula hand Loki investment advisor said yep $135 million Ziff Davis offered 90 million so they got out bid Univision will add Gawker to its other digital properties like the onion don't know if you realize they own the onion the root they also own fusion Univision's offer needs approval from the U.S. bankruptcy court judge to determine Gawker's appeal of the case because that decides who gets the money it could go to the litigants not to the defendants isn't just isn't this just slightly more money than they had to pay Hulk Hogan for that lawsuit well and that's not even I mean yeah I guess they had to pay and they're still appealing so they could get that money back but yeah I mean I don't know I do you know what that number is I was some thing in 17 million I may be off on that but it was in that range so it's quite a bit more but it's also way less than what Nick Denton had estimated Gawker was worth like a year or so ago when they were doing fine and healthy so you are getting a bargain Univision and we will now stop thinking of you as the you know dominant Spanish language channel in the United States although you still are and start thinking of you as a media company in general because the onion and Gawker and the root are strong products yeah I had no idea the onion was a subsidiary of Univision no idea that is completely news to me so obviously they're making a player and look I think those guys over at Gawker are in a lucky position if your company is worth that much now despite all of the litigation problems all the other issues you were having and kind of the general backlash you've been experiencing I say good on you your company's worth more in the trying time that many companies are worth at their peak so when you say you guys and you say that do you mean Nick Denton or do you mean like the people who work for Gizmodo I mean Nick Denton I think and okay all right because I don't think that would feel that way if you were here to talk to us right now probably not but but I mean like I don't look at I O9 ago all those I O9 guys always doing these terrible stories about people and you know I do not the same scrutiny that that he's getting and specifically Gawker dot com gets I'm sure he would agree that that Gawker is worth more than this I just don't know if it makes him feel better I'm guessing not but yeah I think of also the employees who are writing their way through a time of uncertainty a time of horrible uncertainty right now and hoping for the best and I think either ways if Davis or Univision I would have felt good like as long as a stable hand is getting a hold of us Ziff Davis obviously more endemic to technology so that's better for the Gizmodo side of this the lifehacker side of this but a strong media company that is only getting stronger is not a bad way to go either sure I'm just saying if it was going great he wouldn't be selling it that's all I mean he's he's in bankruptcy it's not yeah he's that I think that's that's fair to say like yeah I mean it's an obvious he didn't want to sell it right right right right but my point is like if things were going great we wouldn't be thinking about it and he wouldn't talk about how much it's worth he just keep growing it but I'm glad they bought it I mean maybe Gawker can go places I don't know about Gawker dot com I don't really read it but I want I O9 to be healthy I want Gizmodo to live on I want these rad web standards and state yeah I'm a big fan of lifehacker even still so yeah yeah that'd be great Amazon speaking of the big company we talked about them a minute ago Amazon's Twitch or Amazon Twitch rather and they do own Twitch a reminder everybody Amazon owns at twitch.com announced the acquisition of curse if you're not familiar with curse well maybe a little story for you here curse provides a hub for a number of competitive online games relating and related services this includes game mod management if you're a World of Warcraft player at all in the last 10 years and you know all about the curse mod manager that you've been using on and off they also have a voice chat a complete voice system that usually touts its security over other features and tries to draw people away from things like Skype and ventrilo and others for those reasons and operates the Game of Pedia wikis these are the ones you're gonna find all the information about the games you're playing very in depth wikis and so on so between their properties curse received more than 30 million visits according to twitch's press release announcing the acquisition here's the thing I have been racking my brain with all the people I talked to about these sorts of things as to what the real play is here or what they are getting out of curse and I'm still not a hundred percent sure somebody said to me well they really want their VoIP technology and my answer to that is why they're not they don't need it they're just they stream video game or they're a service that people log into to stream stuff so I don't think that's the play the other one might be well they're a recognizable brand with a lot of recognition in the gaming community and a lot of traffic that means that they could do some original programming perhaps for twitch that would be curse branded programming with some of the great minds that already work with curse so you get MMO champion TV or something or who knows I don't know but that's the only thing I can think of Tom otherwise I'm head scratcher on this one and we don't know how much money they paid either right I I wonder well the thing that catches your eye is the overlap between the games that are popular with curse users and the games that are popular with twitch they are very similar right so there obviously is is a synergy there of hey guys who like to stream these games on twitch now we can bundle all of these amazing opportunities for you to use the curse tools as well so maybe it's promotional somehow or or or trying to get a setup where when you launch your game you're using twitch chat twitch mod manager and twitch streaming and it's all the suite of tools you need to do everything but play the game that's a very good point the only thing they don't give you is the game but every other way to share it to stream it to capture it to whatever you know maybe their next acquisition something like X split or another competitor that's not really like OBS like like then it starts to form up to me it starts to make a little bit of sense of being here is the complete kit you need to be a star on twitch which drive views which drives advertising which drives all the other revenues so that's probably right it just kind of came out of nowhere nobody saw it coming well and the other thing that they get is a boatload of data on what gamers play how long they play what they use to play it and that's going to help them with twitch streaming as well I agree automatic this is not the automatic with extra letters it's just spelled like you'd spell automatic and it makes car accessories automatic has a new adapter for your car's odb port that comes with an unlimited 3G connection now previously automatic stuff sold you these adapters and then you'd have to connect to it by Bluetooth or maybe USB in the old days to get the data out but it could tell you all kinds of cool things about your car and how your car worked and sometimes you can use it to diagnose problems etc well now you don't even have to connect it by Bluetooth it just comes with a built-in 3G connection and you can get it from the cloud that means it can be connected all the time a new app for the device has been released it only works with the automatic pro this new device has customizable notifications deeper integration with if the automatic pro cost 130 bucks that's it there's no subscription there's no data charges you just pay 130 bucks plug that thing in your odb port and then the NSA can track you I mean then you're collecting data on your car little faux pas there um yeah 130 bucks flat rate it's not bad I I assume there'd be some sort of monthly cost with this but I guess right like the original kindle and it had the the data connection built in mm-hmm yeah plus we've got some some spectrum out there that's just sort of there now right like some of its backup for when you're in a crappy place and your radios have to dial down to whatever it can receive or whatever but but I like the idea that we're not just throwing that stuff to the wind these data connections are enough to for certain applications certainly automotive is a good place for that I'm sure there's others I can't think of but yeah as more phones in the US or on LTE I'm sure that the carriers are looking for a way to monetize the 3G spectrum because it's too early to retire it but they're making less money off of it so automatic might have been able to get a deal says hey we'll pay a little for this because these things aren't going to be using a ton of data they won't be on all the time and and and that we can enter the price I like the name automatic pro it sounds like you're you just you're just a pro whether you want to be or not like the ease of it to like this is still for somebody who's really into data and cars right like they just want to know everything about their car and so I've never gotten one because I'm like I don't want to have to fiddle around with connecting with it but if it's just going to automatically upload suddenly it's getting into lazy man's territory which is where I live that's a very happy place for me as well yeah a happy place for my wife is the service Pinterest I'm not trying to stereotype the service I'm just saying she likes it and I don't really care for it that's all I'm saying just one single example everybody can just keep your emails to yourselves Pinterest is now rolling out video ads for its managed partners it will eventually roll out to all advertisers advertisers will have the option of putting a few featured pins below the video actually surprises took so long I would have thought that I know other ads existed but I would have thought video ads would have been a no-brainer for this service it continues to be pinch you know what it's like what we talked about earlier Pinterest is like that company is kind of snuck in behind all the other content companies said here's an idea nobody's thinking of and some scoffed at it and boom it's this like huge thing so anyway if you love the service get ready to be told to buy things with faces that talk to you now yeah exactly I mean this is the kind of thing in another social network would be even riskier and even in a more sedate social network like Pinterest at least I think it is I don't hear a lot of troll wars on Pinterest but but even there you know people people can get a little out of whack if you start changing how things work so that's why they're doing it very carefully and I think that's really smart to say like let's do with managed partners we're going to make sure that things that are pinned below it are things that they have the rights to pin to so nobody gets upset and they're nose at a joint like you're appropriating an RIP there so they're going about it very carefully maybe that's why it took so long is they had to get to a point where they knew they would make enough money off these video advertisements for it to be worth the effort and so much money is going into video advertising on the web these days that they just couldn't turn away from the cash anymore and are you like me it does feel like a fit like it feels okay like something about Pinterest matching up with this visual right that seems to make sense something about it doesn't feel offensive to somebody who might be a Pinterest user in fact I can see in some ways or might be a nice little oh and I'm not listen I know I don't want to say Pinterest is for women because I know it isn't there's a ton of stuff on there for me and for dudes and for people have interest outside of you know dresses and colors and the stuff my wife really likes about it or the food stuff she gets from there but you know the idea that that that site already caters to this very kind of visual who I want to do this I want to do that it's less about conversations you end up with a service that can you know be advertised well too I think it's going to be good thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com we had good stuff in there from Stoic Squirrel, AGC 87, Albusor, Xfig, Trillian Lover, Motang, Benjitek, Steve Io and more join them and together you can rule the subreddit as father and daughter go to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and do some voting if nothing else that's a look at our top stories so as we said the Intel developer forum going on yesterday was Project Alloy today was project we're going to let Arm use our fabs they also had a session where Ramon Ismail and Brad Saunders from Intel explained the advantages of USB-C now many of those advantages we all would expect for instance there is going to be USB-C video support which will work through a hub of USB-C something that that it might not be capable of yet to have a separate HDMI hub etc not good enough for gaming he said there's a little too much latency but good enough for movies to carry high quality video so that might be an option for some USB-C monitor with a USB-C hub so you can plug in all your USB-C accessories there that's amazing those of you haven't caught on to USB-C it's the tiny connection kind of similar to Apple's lightning connection that's reversible so it's smaller and you can't put it in the wrong direction the one thing that USB-C has been touted as that many people find controversial is a replacement for the headphone jack and there's tons of rumors that Apple is going to do this get rid of the headphone jack and in their case replace it with lightning the only phone out there yet that has gotten into the headphone jack and in favor of USB-C is the Moto Z the Moto Z includes an adapter which I will immediately lose and is only 5.2 millimeters thick that's compared to your current iPhone which is 7.1 millimeters thick so Scott and I are going to listen to the advantages and disadvantages here Scott are you ready are you coming in with an open mind I have an open mind that we should maybe warn people ahead of time that Tom and I are on different sides of this argument to I think to a point because there are a couple of places where it's actually a no-go and no sale for me unless they fix my particular issue okay but I'm but we won't and we were leaning towards and I'm very firmly against there you go firmly leaning towards go more digital features so you can you can do some cool things that you can't do with a headphone jack like like add effects and stuff it's a reduced cost they say because it's integrated right into the the situation you don't you don't have to build a battery if you want noise canceling for instance you can just do noise canceling through usb-c allows for the thinner phones like we mentioned you can make digital sound better better audio quality you can do things like surround sound without having to license any scheme that replicates it in analog you can put in reverb you can put in bass effects if you want you can do some power management like shut off the mic when it's not in use and you can even upgrade headphones over time by changing the firmware that runs on the phone to add new features the disadvantages are you're going to need that adapter like I mentioned there is something called device authentication which they claim as it is an advantage in their presentation I claim it as oh good the sorry your device is not offered authorized to play this that I can get with hdmi will now come to my headphones that's awesome yeah multiple implementations of usb-c mean a set of headphones might work on your phone but maybe they won't work or more likely they won't work the same way when you plug them into your laptop or something else so there you go that's that also the biggest disadvantage is you're going to have to buy new headphones nobody has usb-c headphones out there at least most of you don't so you're either going to have to use an adapter or buy new headphones are you swayed by thinner better audio quality features power management what do you think Scott all right so the way I was approaching this when we first talked about the topic was what how is this how is this any different than any other time we've had to move to a new standard how is this any different than when floppy's finally kicked the bucket or when we were asked to go from I don't know serial and parallel to usb there were people kicking and screaming then and there will always be people kicking and screaming when you're about to change an interface standard so I realized it's a big deal and it's a little seismic and it upsets a lot of people but I also remember the time talking to my dad about hi-fi equipment back in the day that's right hi-fi equipment and he was grumbling at the time I was a kid but he was grumbling at the time about this change to court what he called quarter inch for from quarter inch stereo plugs to this new tiny little standard which is what we have today 3.5 millimeter mini jack whatever you call it whatever the heck it was called yeah and he thought those were great but I think he almost he thought they were great because he had a lot of headphones already had a lot of other equipment already a lot interfacing cables between equipment between equipment amplifier stuff that all use this old big fat standard and I remember that and I remember thinking now this new things cool it's like half the size my Walkman look how small my Walkman one is that's what we're talking about here is so easy to use and and why wouldn't you want to move to something like that you sure there's this transition transition it's a little painful to get through but you eventually do just like any other example is things like parallel and serial moving to USB so all that being said we're going from you know SCSI to IE high speed IE or whatever it may be whatever cool connectivity standard we're getting better at whatever that changes people are all upset about it I don't think that should stop us I think that's progress I think that it makes sense we're talking about now a very old standard that's inside of these phones I'm not saying there's anything necessarily broken right now or that we need much much more thinness out of our devices I mean if Apple makes iPhone any thinner things gonna snap so I don't think that's a good argument by itself but I think these other features and stand these other potential standards are very convincing here's my no move though okay this is the one where I can't deal with this the only way I'm going to be able to listen to something and charge my phone at the same time will now be some sort of convoluted why split adapter thing very not interested in that you you've got me sold on hey here's a new phone and it's packed in with the new version of the headphones that use this new connector you be at USBC or in Apple's case lightning you've got me there that's fine but I do a lot of stuff where I just plug those in and listen to something or watch something but I also keep it plugged in because I just have to be done for the day or that's just where the cable is or whatever and you're asking me to not be able to do that bothers me so you're it's funny the thing that bothers me is one of the things that bothers you I'm just less worked up about what headphones I already own I'll be fine with the packed in ones for as long as until something better comes along so I don't really have a problem with that but I want to be able to charge and listen and listen in charge at the same freaking time without yeah no I get what you're saying and usually I am on the side of come on we you know we need to move from standard to standard we all still be using RS 232 we're like that's just the way progress is made right but there is nothing I hate more than making a new standard that reduces functionality now granted what I what Intel's trying to say is yeah but you get all this other new functionality that's all functionality that can be done with a with an analog jack it just is under the license of Dolby or somebody else for the most part and the implications of it are to do the things that you can do with the headphone jack you have to have a work around and that's what you're running into is like okay the one thing that I use a headphone jack for is listening while I'm charging and that becomes tricky I mean I can imagine a USB C cable that has a little why built into it so whenever you're charging you can easily plug in even your USB C headphones to it it's no big deal right but that's clunky and the audio jack is universal across more than just devices so suddenly you're saying everything going back to the 80s that you have can work with this now granted I don't need to use a lot of things from the 80s but it does mean I don't have to think about it when I want to plug audio from one thing to another because even if it's a quarter inch jack I can get an adapter that is put on to the end of the cable and I won't have to forget and we'll go right in now you're gonna say oh USB C so if I had USB C headphone jack on my iPad I'd now have to come up with some kind of clunky adapter to be able to plug it into my mixer rather than using the mini jack that's here now it just makes things less adaptable and I am with you that the extra millimeter or two is not worth it for me yet same time I do think that maybe we need to move off of mini jack at some point but maybe USB C shouldn't carry audio maybe it should be another standard or maybe I just need to let the kids on my lawn and play with their USB C and eventually my mixer will take USB C and everything will take USB C my problem is audio is dumb and therefore works better there you go and so when you have digital suddenly all kinds of things can mess with it because yeah you can do all these features and you can also stop things from working in ways that don't make any sense whereas analog is like if there's sound coming out it's gonna go through this wire and it's gonna end up on the other side that you've made the most part of your argument has been the most compelling is what you just said and I to a large degree agree with that when you said audio is dumb and therefore should be dumb to use I completely agree and that's maybe the one place on here where I waffle a little bit if you look at technologies like I don't know broadband you're not you never saw Tom Merritt arguing well if you don't make my 28 8k modem work with this fancy new broadband then deals on like you weren't taking the stand like that yeah of course why well because that's a complex measurable leap in growth and capability that far outweighs any inconvenience or transition time or anything else in this particular case I will agree 100% that if they all do this I mean the part about competing standards of USB 3 or different implementations and then these devices being quote-unquote smart devices that can determine whether you're out allowed to play something or not like those are all disadvantages absolutely but let's say in a perfect vacuum world it was all the same standard and every device manufacturers using the exact same connection let's say even Apple was on board with using USB C instead of lightning let's say everybody across the board was there's still going to be that weird transition it's going to be a pain in the butt and you're suddenly not going to be able to go oh let me pull my headphones out and stick it into your ancient thing in the car and test it for you you're going to go oh shoot I can't do that because now we're you know we're in 2017 those are that's all going to be a big pain no question about it but I think we're just heading here like the idea I think the idea these people who design these products and as they iterate and iterate I think the idea the very idea that there's an analog hole in there drives them crazy given all the surrounding technology of the device it feels like this in elegant a necessary bridge to the past that you just can't get over it's like having to have a big green electrical terminal sticking out of your lawn with your otherwise perfect lawn and perfect landscaping and I think it drives them all a little baddie oh yeah no the designers absolutely are like I could make this phone so slim and beautiful if I didn't have to have that 3.5 millimeter jack that deal with and it complicates things on the internals as well that we don't think about I get that it can cause interference I get that you have to build it but it really does it's really a big jump and maybe I'm just need to be the old man who gets out of the way because I'm impeding progress I don't know well I mean again like I say if you're already using stock headphones and the new pair of stock headphones it comes to the thing and you're okay with it this is an easier transition if this is if this is the only device that's really getting this attention no big deal but then if you're not like me and you immediately want to get your sound headphones or whatever it is well then suddenly things get complicated so I really do kind of have a foot in each side I'd like the progress I don't like the disruption and I and I'm really really see a big headphones Scott just sell you new headphones well when a company if Apple and Samsung let's say they say they're the two bastions of change in this way there if they both do this that's just it we're going to have to live with them we're going to have a possible base of change and so we have to do it part of me is like all right I'm ready to go when it comes but a little part of me says yeah but maybe they won't and I won't have to think about it or worry about it so I'm kind of with you and kind of I don't know man I'm with you and I'm not with you but I may be more with you than I initially thought I have a lot of things that end in mini jacks I'm just looking around I could see like five just a little part of it too I'm sure three four five six items in view yeah no man six adapters thirty nine yeah exactly all right let's get to our pick of the day Mike is picking performance dot c i r a dot c a he says it's not just because I work at c i r a c i r a is the Canadian Internet Registration Authority they handle the dot c a says performance dot c i r a dot c a does a great job of showing you the actual speed you get not the optimal speed he's like most speed test show you the optimal speed you can get based on a favored node this shows you the actual speed based on the real network now Mike said it was Canadian only I was able to do a test on it though but I think what he means is there are only servers in Toronto Montreal and Calgary you kind of do if you want to have a good speed test have a server that's near you not dealing with transit issues and things like that but I still got a pretty good and seemingly reasonable result from it too especially if you're in Canada you might want to check it out performance dot c i r a dot c a yeah I'm running one now so this probably give me a server somewhere who knows where but yeah you can look probably Toronto Toronto's the one by default and then you can change it to Montreal or Canada those are fine cities no problem said your picks to his folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Toronto's a fine city Ron wrote it and said in public transport in the UK and Australia hail is means boarding or alighting a mode of public transport by signaling that one wishes to board or light rather than the system of designated stops it kind of means that here you hail a taxi I get it so Ron says if Ford had said in five years we will replace drivers of public transportation routes with driverless cars would you think that goal could be reached on time of course he's referring to Ford saying we will have level four autonomous cars in five years Ron says seems that might be a first step toward Uber or Lyft driver replacement which I would think is much harder to do than a planned route that repeats not to mention this type of hail could be done with lasers just because lasers right remember Ford still makes Ranger pickups and Falcons but just not for the United States so perhaps they are predicting something different than we in the US think they are saying now this is interesting Ron and I chase some emails back and forth working out this thing the one thing that that Ford also said was we want these to be cars to be used by ride hailing companies they even mentioned Lyft and Uber as the kinds of companies they're talking about although they wouldn't settle on on any of them as partners at this point but to Ron's point they did say that they might limit their usage to certain regions where they had high resolution maps so not quite as restrictive as Ron was saying where they would only have a pre-programmed route but they say they might only work in downtown Manhattan for instance. The other thing the email got me thinking about that I hadn't thought about before was the idea that you know we're always we I think we've all kind of had it in our heads that one day services like Lyft and Uber and maybe even those services themselves would become automated services they would become driverless services but it hadn't occurred to me that in my head that makes sense but what you're talking about there is predetermined routes versus very specific routes I need to go to this floral place and then I need to go to this mall and then I need to get back home or whatever what bus is an automated transportation are in theory now are big automated routes where you've got stops they're always the same and the thing just does a loop that's harder than I was thinking like that's not going to be as easy so lasers I guess is the answer I appreciate good emails like this because they make me think so yeah I don't think Ford is meaning something different than level 4 autonomous cars but they might be restricted on the region so again I don't think it's going to be like it'll only go up and down 5th avenue on the same route as the bus that goes up and down 5th avenue but it might say like yeah it can only go to Manhattan and parts of Queens in the Bronx and it'll take you out to JFK and back that's it you can't go out Long Island you can't go out elsewhere I could see that being a kind of system that they might roll out for this sure like buses I'm telling you that's how this stuff starts they're not as restricted as buses so it's like the next step up from buses right because like if you want the bus and that's why Ron's saying you could hail a bus in between stops what if you could hail the cabin still go to the flower shop because it's within the zone it's within the highly mapped zone even if that stops it's like oh I can stop here if I have to walk half a block fine or whatever but I can be more incremental about where I want to go thank you Ron and thank you 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nailed it there's a little town up next to looks like it's next to Alaska in the very north western point of Canada where they have a download speed average of 0.12 megabits per second oh my gosh is that the Yukon I don't know I don't know where that is there's gold in them but no bandwidth they have better internet on the northernmost point at 1.2 megabyte it's probably because there might be a mine up there could be never trust those mines Roger well like if you have a mine operation invariably you're going to have a large or at least moderate size company don't trust the mines Roger or mines for that matter don't trust the mines everyone gives our hard time to mimes you're right you should be nicer to mimes I mean they busk for living like the living statues the guys that pop and lock or really obnoxious ones are the ones that beat on the buckets the outside down buckets like they're drumming oh I actually like those I know I'm alone no one else likes them you are alone Tom spinning through space appreciate her speak you appreciate when you appreciate some titles sure top is Apple's finished audio next is pretty much this is my favorite guacamole like guacamole guacamole see it's a dad joke wait is it because you put onion in guacamole you can guacamole I mean it's borderline it's borderline races but whatever it's pretty funny internet gets army internet or intel that intel makes more sense internet intel gets army twitch goes from bad to curse these are all dad jokes you guys are on today with the dad jokes anyway automatic for the people movers that's the REM reference yeah I like it jacking with audio oh this is good see the letter C no dongle here no audio like usbc that's high concept steve I is it no dongle here no audio I like it I know I can tell you the one you're not going to use jacking with audio probably not jack dark redeemer I'm sorry to say as elegant as there is to be honest somebody's trying to throw me under the bus Scott johnson says pinterest is for women that's because you protested too much it's not for women it's for women and women like men it's not even that it's for people who like visual things it's okay I understand you have we all have our hobbies it's great for food too I'm just playing with you you know the only reason why I don't like pinterest is because you have to sign up to use it yeah actually Facebook's done that now too before you could visit like a first facebook page without logging in like if they but now they want you to log in if it's a public page they'll let you think well they will but they'll immediately pop up that big fake box on the bottom that says to join facebook yeah so twitch just now cursed is number one followed by gawk amoli I like intel gets army too twitch is now cursed and intel gets army are my favorite non main topic ones see no dongle hear no audio is pretty good is my top on on topic one yeah I like that one I don't need to choose quite the second so I'm gonna let it let you vote if you're watching long live go to showbots.tv you know what's interesting about the intel arm story is that unlike AMD which divested its foundry business and they sold it intel seems intent on keeping theirs but they're just gonna find additional customers to use the use the service this this this I kinda like a little dongle do ya haha a little dongle do ya it's kinda lewd it's a little lewd but I like the use of dongle it's not bad just using dongle is always lewd that's the only thing I don't like about see no dongle hear no audio honestly please don't pull on my dongle right suddenly everyone gets taken back to junior high please on the playground after lunch ball ball man twisting intel's arm intel does more arm than good ahhhhh it's a little too harsh yeah because it's a lot of these are like that twitch goes from bad to curse or a little dongle do ya just race to the top amazon likes to curse nice amazon's cursed service interesting ads coming soon yeah of course intel gains an arm loses audio jack that's that's working hard apple's argument is bad but they really like that dongle one a little dongle do ya it's already gacamole gacamole will be my private favorite that's my favorite just cause it's great but I also agree it's borderline offensive ahhhhh I kinda want to do intel gets army I'll be honest is that cool with you guys? anyone want to make a case for one of the others? it's in second freaking place I think the only one I'd fight with would be see no ongle hear no audio but it's a little heady I think intel gets army is pretty good no beat master dropping those beats he is the master of them oh I got a coughing fit I'm so glad you were talking when I had it when was that I know you didn't even notice I was I drank like half a gallon of water during that trying to quell it itchy throat I'm at the tail end and so now it's like that dry cough from nowhere that you can't stop and it comes out of nowhere you don't even know it's there your throat seizes up I hate that you get it in high school and you'd have to leave class it's the worst did you ever get detention? yeah oh yeah I got two weeks once for throwing or no there are two separate occasions both for two week suspensions one was for throwing an ice ball at a building wait an ice ball? well cause the snow would all turn wet slush ice and it was against the rules to throw any snowballs at all cause they were getting in the head and hurt and I just happened to throw one against one of those portable buildings and it got seen by the VP right when I did it and I had to work I had to follow him around and be his basically his servant for two weeks at school instead of going to class so it wasn't even like a home suspension which was a real bummer and then the other time was when this kid copied artwork in my 8th grade drawing class and he copied my entire thing didn't know about it turned it in before I had a chance to turn mine and was getting a grade before me and I was so mad and I've never done this since or before but I was so mad all I did was just haul off and hit him as hard as I could in the nose so I punched him in the nose first and only fight I ever got in and I had so much adrenaline that I didn't feel a thing but I broke he uh oh I think he broke the internet there he broke what wow caught a mid frame too with the anger well I've never been suspended from high school I was never suspended but I did get detention a few times I got borderline I didn't have anything that was close to the story that Scott was telling though I got borderline suspended for throwing water dropping water balloons on people in the bath second story bathroom I think the worst thing I did was I just walked out of chemistry class one day and I had to go to the bathroom without asking and the teacher was in the middle of a lecture and that was the most angry I ever saw a teacher with me you said everyone froze yeah you froze oh he's coming back yeah you froze and right as you were telling us about the clincher there's so much adrenaline that you didn't even feel your hand break against the man's yeah I broke my pinky bone stuck out and everything had to get it set got spent for two weeks it was bad I was telling my lame story about how I walked out of chemistry class in the middle of the lecture to go to the bathroom without asking that was like the most I ever saw a teacher with me I got hauled off for dropping water balloons but it's funny every fight I've gotten into no one like no figure of authority was within like a hundred feet I never understood like junior high I got like into fights for like the first half of sixth grade and no like again no no figures of authority at any time this is why I never wanted to be a teacher is because I'm like I know we all got into fights all the time and I can't imagine having to be the person's trying to stop all that I remember the one in the seventh or eighth grade that like the school yard was the yard was actually raised behind the school because it's built into the side of the hill and like it was the lunch it was a lunch recess and I guess two kids were going at it and suddenly you see like a hundred plus kids just start to make like a donut shape like a fight circle and it was a fight fight fight and these two kids are way on each other it's like you know shouldn't there be a monitor or something up here trying to break this up somebody should be I wasn't much of a fighter though you're a lover not a fighter you didn't take enough martial arts to drill the the anger into you into a focused blow you got me into well yeah I definitely swung wrong like I shouldn't have broken anything when I did it but it got me all sorts of fame and stuff with like jocks and people well who was it you were you were hitting some nerd in our class listen to you wow no wonder you were so popular with the jocks beating up on nerds the cover is blown off Scott Johnson dang it who just copied my art I don't remember I don't think I really knew him outside of that and I just was so mad I just it kind of it was like it was one of those experiences where you realize that sometimes instinct and like adrenaline and I don't know animal stuff kicks in you just don't have a control you thought you had because I don't I remember it freaked me out and I was done and I was like alright my dad is not happening again because that it's kind of scared me you scared yourself yeah I didn't think I was capable of that I was supposed to be this like nice quiet nerd guy that didn't ever hit me you know what though like I was picked on relentlessly and I remember in seventh grade this kid his nickname was ox believe it or not his big Chinese kid and he just picked on me for no reason like he would single me out in the crowd like I don't even know you do while you keep picking on me and I remember he used to just shove and punch me like just I'm walking like home he would just come up and punch me in the back of the head maybe but there's a point where I just kind of snapped like and people used at that point and moving forward anyone who mess with it I just like snapped at him like I would swing at them or I'd like you know try to get them in a choke hold and I put my knee on the back of their legs so they couldn't stand up on the ground the first Changry incidents I just started rolling snowballing from there yeah and then high school came around and I kind of got better I focused my energies into walking a very very long walk home because I lived at like a super suburban high school it was fifth and sixth grade that I went through that that period and then I settled down by junior high but yeah what is that is that just a natural like tribal tendency to like maybe so like adolescent mammals like elephants and stuff go through that they reach a period where they're under 15 and they're just dangerous to be around by even by other elephants like they stay away from it because they're just like testosterone aggression to defend the pack and and in human cases to do hunting well not just you need to have the limits on it so so you need that period of time where the aggression can grow but the limits can be so you know the whole thing where they say teenagers think they're invincible I think that's a evolutionary evolutionary trait because for example a pride of lion like a new male lion comes out the challenger lion is typically younger more aggressive because they don't know any better they think they live forever this like a woman to try to kick this old man off his high perch of horn all these women to himself and take over and then they get into it but evolution has made it so that only the ones that eventually learn from their mistakes come out on top like who's an up-and-coming fighter it's like fighting against George Foreman like he might be bigger slipper man he can wop your ass up and coming out at young bucks yeah I mean like you know it's like some some young buck coming up for like George Foreman it's like yeah I can punch you got the aggression you got the speed but you don't necessarily have the skill set yet or George Foreman's you know right hook his he's uh I've heard a story the other day on NPR somewhere about him in the grill and how that all came about it was fascinating he's not just this bombastic pitch man guy post boxing he invented the actual grill well he got brought to him by a failing brand and put his name on it and him and his team pushed it but just learning about how they made that successful versus all this other stuff that kind of tanked for him it was really interesting I was fascinated by it I want to say it was like kind of money or something I'm always fascinated like when like when MSNBC or maybe NPR like do a story on like brands that have failed or people who you know worked with failing brands and eventually they figure out what they've done wrong and they get the hit product out but what's obvious is you're never you're never it's never obvious what the failing is right other than it just wasn't popular right it's attributed to like timing price point you know changing tastes or whatever and it's like you know but how do you how do you know whether or not something is just you know falling out of favor like I mean there is bedazzling stuff I'm sure is out of fashion but how did Ron co-know or K tell whatever figure that was the thing to begin with how do they know like people I feel like that's a confirmation bias we see something unexpectedly successful and we think oh there was a person out there who figured out it would be successful and put it out what we don't pay attention to is the number of things that are tried that fail and so it's it's not that they knew bedazzling would be successful it's that they had this idea they put it out there and they just lucked out at timing so it's all down the luck it's the amount there's like literally millions probably more products being tried every day and we only see the successes well because bedazzling isn't that just a version of like stud or not studs but a rip like putting rivets in your it's like a viral video like why is why does one particular video go viral with another yeah or in the case of the it's not so much of the world's ready for bedazzling it's that they place a bet that if hey we do this weird thing we bet we can get so many people to be interested and then it becomes yeah a thing and what I'm saying is millions of those bets are placed every year right only a few of them succeed and then we look at them and because it's so complex for something to become successful it's like predicting the weather like you could you could maybe come up with a few best practices but you can't guarantee yeah it's like why Facebook why not friends to why like if you could get all the information somehow and then parse it maybe you could come up with answers but I think a lot of it is just that's what's going to happen machine learning will figure out how viral videos and products become hits and then they'll design only the hits and then there won't be any businesses anymore because you you will only have machine learning products oh wow I just there's a break not breaking the business insider article about how maybe you saw this Mark Zuckerberg says in an interview at least indicates in an interview that he regrets having to spend two billion on Oculus to get into VR that's such a misleading headline it is because he said I wish I would have bought it earlier when it was cheaper yeah wow said everybody who ever bought anything ever yeah he says things like we wish we would have built something up in house yeah right that's not the same as we regret I mean it's it's mildly interesting but I did see it hmm they're trying I feel like they're trying to make more out of it like it is Zuckerberg admitting a mistake I suppose like we should have got on that earlier but yeah I don't know it did not it did not blow me away it's not like them going oh we've made it horrible yeah no and that's what the headline sort of leads you to think of the first time you read it is like oh Zuckerberg regrets buying Oculus like no he regretted buying it when it was two billion dollars I don't like the headline it's bad all headlines are bad and it's like you know at the time about Oculus a lot of people were still questioning whether he should have or not so yeah I think you could look at the current sales rate and stuff and and still question it I regret not buying Microsoft in 1983 yeah or whenever it was that they IPO'd I forgot I regret not buying really cheap Apple stock in 1985 yeah oh man I regret not buying US steel stock in 1912 oh yeah well I regret not buying tea from the credit wait that's bad that would have gone lost its value never mind did you see this story I just saw this in the BBC Ryan Lochte and James Fagan ordered to stay in Brazil yeah but the story when I read it wasn't sure if they were still there well like what are they like is it because they're well according to the story it's because there are questions about their story of getting robbed in the taxi they don't they think they made up the story okay and the and the authorities want to know what really happened it's like filing a false police report okay but like do you do keep someone in the country to that solid typically yeah I mean maybe I mean generally they would just drop the case we don't believe it well it depends on the circumstances well I know but that's so turn it around turn it around explain to me a situation where someone has reported a crime that was not a lie that would require the police to keep them in the country you can come up with that scenario I'm sure typically if it involves like you know large theft of money or homicide there you go so does someone die though I don't know we don't know but that's what I'm saying if it's toward the case of them lying about the case no one died they just hit the blinds maybe somebody did die maybe more went missing than just what they reported well that seems a little vague maybe hit on a club the people said if you report your good stolen we will come and find you and kill you so Lochte said well we want to report our stuff stolen because we're going to get in trouble but let's just say it was taken from the taxi and then the feds started figuring out there was a robbery at the club and now they're like no you guys we your witnesses in a federal crime case we need you to stay in the country but then when the French Olympic team have mentioned something I don't know why they said they were attending a French Olympic teams at the hospitality house that's where they were coming back from maybe they were before they went to the club too little too vague to hold someone no it's not vague we just don't know all the details we know that their passports have been did they well one of Ryan Lochte's back in the US supposedly when I read it they said they didn't know whether he had gone or not. Lochte Fagan and two other members of the US swimming team Lochte's lawyer told the BBC he got back to the US two days ago. Oh yeah okay remember also Brazilian judges have ordered WhatsApp shut down three times so they I'm just trying to figure out what that because it doesn't make sense with the details that I have in this story I you know what the rule of thumb is with swimmers is don't trust swimmers and the reason I say that is because I had some listen it's all based on bad high school experiences but I so whatever they say blow it off well and the police generally don't give out details for ongoing investigations so the police are only saying the CCTV recordings at the Olympic Village don't match up with when Lochte and Fagan said they got back to the village so they obviously have something else they need to investigate or maybe the judge is just being punitive perhaps I don't know I'm just I'm not I don't think there's anything foul I'm just curious like you know is it just because they're missing three hours so they can't leave the country until those three hours are accounted for no I think there's more to it than that I think you're right well I don't like is there something that happened in three hours that's what oh yeah the world wants to know do they apparently the BBC put well yeah exactly alright everybody thanks for watching have a lovely day spray chrome in your mouth no don't spray chrome in your mouth because it's a lovely day it's a lovely day I want to watch that again it'd be my night