 All right, it's streaming. All right, let's make sure that's working over there. So I started using Discord instead of Skype for my recording needs, and it also does video. So it doesn't have the live streaming feature that Hangout has, obviously, but it's surprisingly good quality and it's very practical and works well. Yeah, we used it for, well, I used it on TMS a couple of times. I feel like we used it on CurrentGeek too. The Discord is a great Skype replacement. The issue is that I'm hung up on the Hangout auto-switching. Oh, Discord doesn't auto-switch? Well, it does it. Oh, does it? I'm not sure. I'm capturing it and using OBS, whereas Hangout does the direct. Hangout just makes a lot of things easy. It's not necessarily better. It just makes things simpler. So Patreon also has an integration with Discord that lets you, I mean, there's a bunch of stuff. Oh, that's cool. So people can send you money as whatever you're doing is streaming? No, not exactly. What it does is that it lets you define certain roles on the Discord server and then depend the people on different contribution levels get different. Oh, nice. But that would be, yeah. So there are some things that can be done there. It's kind of a more of a Slack replacement type thing. And also Discord is much more focused on gamers. So it has those features, almost all of the features that Slack has, but not all of them. And it's a little bit less, it's a little bit more messy graphically. We activated the Discord for DTNS patrons. Oh, you did? Yeah. It's sort of informal. I'm just wanted to test it. I'm testing it out. And there's a bunch of people in there. But we have so many people in Slack because we started that so long before that exactly I'm not gonna like rip everything up. It's not that good. Yeah. No, anyway, it's there though. So who was excited about Emily Chang's book, Brotopia? Oh yeah, I saw that on TechMeme. I'm not. Particularly excited. But I'm not. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I could read a book called Brotopia. Well, I think it's the point is to. Right. Yes. Oh, sure. I think it's gonna be interesting. If nothing else, I don't think I'm gonna read it, but I think I'm gonna be very interested to hear about the best parts. And a little bit apprehensive about the reactions to the book. And I am very sorry in advance for her, but I think the fact that she's still doing it is a testament to her courage. Yeah. I think that's fair. I look at it and I'm like this, I don't know that this is gonna help, but it won't hurt. And maybe it will get a few more people all thinking about it, which isn't bad. So yeah, I'm trying to temper. You know, I don't want to be dismissive and like, this is just sensationalist or anything like that. But I also am like, I'm not sure, it was more necessary in the past than it is now, but that doesn't make it unnecessary. Maybe I could put it that way. Yeah. Because a lot of these kinds of stories have been. I mean, yeah, I heard that Vanity Fair published and I don't know. I mean, it's a, you can think of it two different ways. Like, ooh, bad behavior on the part of rich people and also like, well, what does it have to do with tech? I kind of feel both ways. Yeah. I think it's part of a larger, I think it can be useful in the context of a larger effort to clean up our act as an industry and it's already happening and this is not the catalyst. But yeah, as you said, Tom, I think it doesn't hurt, but yeah, it's difficult. The shining a light on the bro behavior of this industry I think is a positive thing, even though it's gonna be mixed with- I mean, and maybe I'm out of touch because I've been in my basement for four years, but I don't think the bro behavior is the norm, but the fact that it's there isn't good. I think it gets a lot more attention because it is associated, you know, whether rightly or wrongly with kind of the energy that the vibe that is- The power that's fueling a lot of where things are going, of course. That's a good backlash, you're right. All right. Well. On that note. Not happening. So what is Fuchsia? Like, what does it do? I forgot. I know it was, sorry. It's an OS. I mean, pretty much everything is in there in that statement, that we don't know that much more about it. It's really hard to get right. We don't really know what Google intends to do with it, but. Okay. So there's nothing in the mail. So I'll just delete that whole thing. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I don't see anything that likes- I just wanna make sure so. All right. All right, we are go for launch. Oh God. Here we go. Daily Tech News Show is four years old today and that's thanks to you. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 2nd, 2018. From D18S headquarters in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt, happy new year. Happy new year, Tom from Studio Feline. I'm Sarah Lane. And from the Finnish offices in Helsinki and with about 10 hours of advance new year time, I'm Patrick Beja. I knew you were gonna brag on that. I don't know if it's really bragging. It's more like noticing something. Patrick, tell us it gets better in 10 hours. Yeah. Yeah. You always have more 2018 than we do. Producer Roger Chang has all the 2018 he can handle. Yes. And I have what, 11 months and four weeks or three and a half weeks left. Yeah. Well, so far so good on 2018, but let's start with a few tech things you should know. Google's experimental OS called Fuchsia will now run on the Google Pixelbook. Fuchsia uses a Google developed kernel and has been built from the ground up for phones and PCs. Fuchsia? Fuchsia. In French, it's Fuchsia. Hmm. I don't know. Well, I just pronounced it as Fuchsia, like the color. But what I do know is that the Wall Street Journal reports that according to data from stat counter, Alibaba's UC browser is more popular than Chrome for mobile users in India and Indonesia. Google still has 98% of the search market in India and 82% of the smartphone market through Android. Yeah. India is the battleground right now. That's where the cultures are meeting. Intel, India's overclocking webpage, as a matter of fact, posted detail on Intel's first CPU to feature the AMD Radeon GPU core. This is the all on one die thing. According to the page, the Core i7-8809G features a 3.1 gigahertz base frequency, 8 megabytes of L3 cache, a TDP target of 100 watts, support for two channels of DDR2400 RAM and an Intel HD graphics 630 plus Radeon RX Vega MGH graphics. Remember, it's all on one little package. Very exciting. I think the more exciting version of those will be the mobile one. 100 watts is not quite mobile yet. Yeah, not mobile. Not so mobile. Now, here are some more top stories. Patrick. I meant to say that YouTube creator Logan Paul has apologized and removed a video that showed an apparent suicide victim with the face obscured near Mount Fuji in Japan. Paul said he didn't do it for the views but intended to raise awareness for suicide and suicide prevention. YouTube said the video violated its policies but it does not intend to suspend Paul. So it sounds like from what I understand of the story and I wasn't familiar with him beforehand is that the video did not come across as anything but sort of promotional for him and it's obviously a sensitive subject. Well, there were some jokes being made and I have a feeling the jokes were made out of nervousness with what they were experiencing. But that said, they chose to preserve those jokes in the footage and publish it that way. Now, Logan says he didn't do it for views because he gets plenty of views but I can't imagine he didn't think it would take off and it got a million views before it was deleted. It is an impossible thing to square because we're not in his mind. I went on social media and I think possibly made the mistake of suggesting that he's not a serial killer and that maybe he's not the worst person in the world even though he certainly did something really, really misguided and probably dumb maybe even intentionally exploitative. And I didn't know that person before it seems he has a history of provocative behavior so it's not his first brush with controversy. It is a really difficult way to react to because I really feel like as very often the internet reacts with outrage at 11 and certainly what he did is not okay and upsetting but the piling on and the, you know, condemning and the lapidating and the kind of declaring him almost the worst person on the internet also doesn't sit right with me. So I think there's a happy medium here but it's very easy to go one way or the other completely on social media and I think that's even a bigger problem possibly than the issue itself. Well, I think, you know, somebody like Logan Paul there are people on YouTube that are for better or for worse whether you follow them or not pretty big stars. So doing something like this even if the intentions were good, you know, maybe it was executed poorly is almost like saying like, well, you know, movie studio did something that, you know, seemed like a good idea at the time but ended up, you know, not only falling flat but upsetting people. So it's kind of this brave new world of influencers that have to deal with this. I think it's even, there's no question that he was actually doing it out of good intentions. I don't think, I mean, I haven't seen the video but from everything I'm hearing there's no way that was actually intended to raise awareness for the suicide and suicide prevention. He went to a famous forest where people actually go to commit suicide in Japan and they sort of looked for a body, ended up finding one. And so that part I think no one is disputing. It's just, he did something really dumb. It might not be the first time. There might be also things that are even more worthy of outrage I think in the world. It's kind of a difficult thing to say, yes, this is also worthy of outrage but there might be some things even worse. So what do you do when you see those things? I don't know, it's hard to say. Every offense is unforgivable, right? And that doesn't mean you should easily forgive but you can't say that everything everybody does should ruin their everything. So the question, the discussion should be what is the appropriate penitence for this sort of thing? City analysts Jim Suva and Asiya Merchant say there is a 40% chance that Apple will acquire Netflix this year. The idea is that Apple will take advantage of the new US tax laws to bring a bunch of cash back into the US and then use it for something. Suva and Merchant ranked Disney at 25% likely although they did their calculations before Disney agreed to acquire Fox. So that's not gonna happen. I don't think Apple's gonna try to buy Disney this year. They're gonna, if they were gonna buy it they'd wait until the Fox deal was finished and that complicates matters. Rest of the companies mentioned were Take-Two, Electronic Arts and Activision Game Companies as well as Tesla and all of those were less than 10% and then Hulu was listed but it was like right below, right above zero. So it was a non-zero percentage chance that they might buy Hulu. By the way, Gene Munster's out there today predicting Amazon's gonna buy Target. So this is the day at the beginning of the year when everybody tries to look smart by predicting who's gonna buy who. I still maintain Apple's not gonna buy Netflix because Netflix won't wanna sell. I mean, sure, Apple might wanna buy Netflix. I don't think Netflix is interested in getting acquired by anybody. I also don't think they would be interested in buying a gaming company. That would sound weird. If they were to buy Hulu, just wait for the Disney Fox deal to happen and then Disney has a 66% share of Hulu and they buy Disney. I could absolutely see them buying a content production company that is proven. That I would see the logic in that move. But I think you're right, Netflix doesn't sound like someone that a company that would want to be acquired. It's a lot of money though. They could put a lot of money on the table. You know, I don't think Netflix has any intention of selling itself to Apple or any other company. But I did kind of go through all of these, the companies that were listed. And I was like, Tesla, the heck? And I thought, what a world this would be if somehow like Netflix content was only accessible like via the Tesla, you know, got an iPad, like in Dash, I don't know. I mean, I guess- What if they acquire Netflix, Tesla and Disney? Oh, wow. And then we start entering the world of megacorporations that own everything we enjoy. All right, Mark, that nine minutes and six seconds into the first episode of 2018 for when that happens. So you can pull that back out for Patrick. Excellent. Researchers at Princeton Center for Information Technology Policy say that built-in browser password managers might be tracking users with scripts that inject invisible login forms into the background of the webpage. And then work as a persistent ID from page to page as you browse. The researchers examine two different tracking scripts. One's called onaudience, and one is called addthink. Addthink also sends information to Axiom, which is a very big, big consumer data broker. So it seems like something that is not good and could be reversed, but- From the Verge article, from the Verge article, it looks like they're targeting the built-in browser stuff. Like what Google has, what Safari has. Because those just show up, if you turn them on, they show up immediately. I never allow those to do anything. They could still work with LastPass or Dashlane or anything like that if you have it set up to auto-populate. So if you're worried about this, one thing you might want to do is not have it auto-populate, not have it automatically fill in. Because it is true that, you know, if someone were able to fool your password manager into thinking it's the correct site and the password manager automatically fills in your password, then whoever did that has your password. Yeah, that's also a problem. And it seems like it would be difficult for those password managers to prevent this from happening. I mean, they could, it becomes a game of cat and mouse. If we recognize that network or that technique, we don't supply the username and password. But then they could change. I mean, it's kind of a messy behavior that I never really thought about and I'm not sure is easily preventable. Now, the scripts to work this way have to be approved by the site so that they can appear to be coming from the site. Right. I'm sure there's cross-site scripting vulnerabilities that could take advantage of this somehow as well by spoofing or whatever, but that's harder to do. Well, it sounds like that's what the researchers really had the most issue with is like, hey, sites need to know what's going on and not be able to allow third-party services to be collecting user information just because users are like, yeah, save my password. That's convenient. Yeah, no, exactly. So don't think this is worse than it is, but remember when there's a third party involved and that third party's collecting things, now there's one other entity involved that you have to keep an eye on and be sure like, okay, do I trust them not to try to take my password? And the easier way to do it is just turn off auto-fill. So that you're only putting it in when you've decided and said, yes, I want to put my password in now. I'm going to predict something. Google is going to get on this and de-rank or somehow punish the sites that use these kinds of networks. LG Cranktop DCS Hype Machine, woot, woot! Announcing it will show off an 88-inch 8K OLED display. It's the largest and highest resolution OLED panel to date. Meanwhile, Samsung says three C-Lab incubators projects will be introduced at CES. Go breath for helping patients with lung problems, recover from surgery, Relumino smart glasses to help people with visual impairments, and Estre a portable directional speaker. We're already starting to bask. We've got a week to bask in the pre-CES hype until CES and Veiled starts on Sunday, in which we'll have three days to actually have the hype before the show actually opens on Wednesday when we all leave. You know, I've said this for the last few years, and so, and I know it, I won't be saying anything that we haven't already heard, but I don't care how great of a resolution your television has, 88 inches, too big for my living room, gotta get back far enough. But you'll need eight K, if you have 88 inches, so you can get up really close and not see the pixels. It's not about that though. I mean, sure, even if it's crisp, it's like looking at a book that's too close to your face, like it just isn't like viable for most people unless they have huge rooms. So we bought our first flat screen TV in 2014 with my wife. We didn't have a TV at all before that. We used our computer monitor in a small room. And we were really hesitating between 55 and 60 inches. And in the end, we ended up getting a 60 inch TV and we thought, oh my God, this is gonna be so large. It's gonna be even maybe too large. And should we, we're completely used to it now. And I wouldn't mind going up a few sizes. So I think it's all a matter of getting used to it. We're all old enough to remember CRTs. And those, when they were 40 inches, we thought they were gigantic. Well, cause they were cubes too, right? They were flat screens. Yeah, but in the screen size. Yeah, yeah. Well, if you must know, I mean, this is LG display showing off that it can make high quality, big OLED panels for other manufacturers. It's not yet meant for the consumer. And that's why Samsung is touting its lab stuff as well. Finally, a team at the Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences has developed a meatless, I'm sorry. I thought you were gonna fix this for me. Oh no, on the lens. Technology that can be used in VR and AR. I'm sure it's a- Also not made of meat. So that was- Yeah. That's actually meatless too. MetaLens can be used in VR and AR. Different colors of light travel at different speeds, all right? So that requires lenses to be thick in order to focus all the light back at the same time. That's one of the reasons that your VR lenses are so thick. A MetaLens uses tiny structures made of titanium dioxide to bend different wavelengths into focus without the bulk. And so you could have them in a pair of regular glasses and still do VR. Typically a MetaLens can only do a couple of wavelengths, but what the Harvard team did was able to do it for almost the whole spectrum. They go from 470 nanometers, which is bold blue to 680, which is a deep red. The normal range of human vision is 380 to 700. So on the blue end, they're a little short. They almost make it all the way to the red end. None of the MetaLenses are as sharp as regular glass either. So they need to work on that. But the paper was published in Nature Nanotechnology. And this definitely is something that folks who make VR lenses are gonna wanna look at because even AR, even magically, and it's prototype looking thing, those are bulky because you need to handle that focus problem. So thinner headsets coming 2019? 2020, let's just say 2020. Everything's coming in 2020. Excellent, that works. Yeah, they've still got some stuff to work out in the lab here, but... Is it titanium dioxide, the same stuff that's in sunscreen? Yeah, yeah, it is. And they could make them out of something different. They made them out of titanium dioxide for their lab experiment. So if I understand this correctly, if I matter some sunscreen on my Oculus VR headset, it will get thinner, right? Try it and let us know. Also, I do wanna say, Tom, I would never presume to actually go in and change your text myself. I noticed it and I... Feel free in the future in a case like this to change the text. To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, folks, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines. You can get it on the Amazon Echo, you can get it on Google Home and on the Anchor App, as well as this regular old podcast at DailyTechHeadlines.com. All right, you may have been wondering, well, why didn't you talk about Apple's battery thing? Well, we're gonna do that right now. Over the break, Apple apologized for the misunderstanding about how it handles CPU load in phones with older batteries. Now, we did talk about, two weeks ago, why Apple is doing it. Apple did explain why they're doing it. And the short version is in older phones as the battery capacity gets smaller, which is just a normal thing that happens to lithium ion batteries, certain CPU loads will cause the phone to crash because the CPU is asking for more power than the battery can deliver. So what Apple did was slowed down the CPU when it detected that load was happening so that the phone would not crash. Of course, a lot of people were upset that Apple was slowing down their phones without telling them why or even telling them that they were doing it. So Apple apologized in their statement. They said, we have never and would never do anything to intentionally shorten the life of any Apple product or degrade the user experience to drive customer upgrades and putting their money where their mouth is, they are now replacing out-of-warranty batteries for any iPhone 6 or newer. That includes the iPhone 10, which is gonna be in warranty for almost everybody right now. But if you're out of warranty, you can get your battery replaced for $29. It used to cost you $79 for an out-of-warranty replacement and they'll continue that $29 price through December, 2018. Also, iGeneration reporting today that an Apple Store memo tells employees, don't turn anybody down. Up till now, if you came in for any battery replacement, they would test it. And if it had about 80% capacity, they'd say you don't need your battery replaced and they wouldn't replace it for you. Now Apple's saying, don't even turn them down. Even if you do the diagnostic and it says 80%, if they still want the battery replaced, replace it for $29. Well, this is where Apple having all the money in the world comes in really handy. Where the company kind of, somebody in a conference room was like, you know what, there's some sort of goodwill thing that we gotta do. Do not turn anyone down, we're fine. We don't need that extra $59 that we were trying to get originally. So do you guys think, I mean, there's been a torn, you know how I was talking about the reactions being polarized on the issue earlier. I talked about the battery thing as well and there's been a torrent of reactions, especially in France with many people convinced that this is, I mean, planned obsolescence is a big issue here, as I'm sure it is everywhere. And some people are using this as a proof that planned obsolescence is really, especially in this market and vilifying me for trying to pretend that it might not be the exact reason. I guess the question comes down to, what do you guys think? Is Apple doing proper penance here? Should they be doing more? Should they still be condemned for having done what they did? What seems we're reaching the end of that specific controversy is gonna slow down, I think. What's your conclusion? My conclusion is the same that it's always been. I am of the belief, having been in corporate situations and seen how a lot of people think and committee, that no one is planning obsolescence because they know if they get busted doing that, that it's awful and it's just not a good policy. You wanna make high quality stuff and if you try to plan obsolescence, it makes it more complicated. However, certain things that happen and are sort of unavoidable and would take a lot of money and time to fix that cause people to want to buy new stuff are sometimes looked at as a benefit. Like, oh, well, the batteries are dying. I mean, we really can't do anything about that so that means people wanna buy new phones. I don't think companies mind. I don't think they do it on purpose. I don't think they engineer it in. I think what they do is they want to make a product that is better, that's new, that makes you wanna upgrade, not disable the old one. In this particular case, I think what Apple really was trying to do is extend the life of your phone and say, you know what, if it's crashing all the time, you'll wanna buy a new phone, but you might not buy an Apple phone because it's crashing all the time. So let's extend the life of that phone so that you're really satisfied with it. They should have told people though. Anytime you're slowing down or changing the behavior of the phone, you need to alert people to it and have them opt in. Anytime people don't get to opt in or don't know something's happening, they get upset. I agree with you except for the opt-in thing because no one would have opted in or at least no one who actually needs it. The people who understand it might have opted in, but the people who don't or who don't. My phone crashes a couple of times and then a dialogue pops up the next time I start it, saying, hey, to prevent further crashes, opt into this plan, which may reduce your performance a little, but we'll stop the crashes. I'm opting in. This is so not Apple. You don't wanna point people to, hey, your phone's crap. Your battery is making it crash all the time. Our phone is a mess. Yeah, this is, I mean, no one wants that. I understand the ideal situation being that, but when you're talking about it realistically, and this is what annoys me a little bit in those conversations, it's people posing as the obvious solution would be this. And I agree they should have been more clear in what that update was doing because they announced the update, but they were very cryptic about exactly what it was doing. They should have had this level of detail that they later published from the get-go, but do it in a technical presentation for developers at the minimum so that they could point to it later and say, hey, we told you, it's not a secret. And that would have been the right thing to do. Doing a pop-up poll. You're both right in the sense that, yes, Tom, I also would have opted in, who wants a crash? And then Patrick, I think you're right as well, that Apple just doesn't wanna be associated with that kind of behavior. And I think what we're seeing now, especially with this price drop and the company saying like, whatever, no questions asked, get your new battery, we're good, is all about Apple not really wanting to be associated with some, if you have a phone that's a year or two old, we've deserted you. Or we're somehow intentionally trying to get you to buy a new phone. Even if that was true, that's not the perception that Apple wants. And all I was saying is, when you don't have people opt in, people get upset. But even if you opted them in with a notification, you would have fewer people upset than just doing it behind the scenes. In both cases, though, Patrick, I do have to agree with you, Apple's way is to just do it for you, right? That's, yeah, that's the exact, in this case, it turns out that it didn't work out. It is definitely a misstep. Maybe the implementation, definitely in the communication about it. But the entire promise of Apple and Apple's products is we know better, don't worry about it. You don't have to bother with all of that technical mumbo jumbo thing. We'll take care of it, we know what you need, right? So I think it's very misguided to say, oh, why would they think they know better? They've built their entire success. And everyone, I think, that success is a proof that people respond to the design philosophy that they do know better, and we don't have to worry about it. So pointing to this. They could say you could replace the battery, too. Well, you can replace the battery. And that's where it was a bit expensive? Well, that enters a whole other issue of general design of phones, which other phones are also not, you know, maybe guilty of, but some other phones. But that's, I think, a different conversation. But I can't remember what I was gonna say, but I'm sure it was very clever. Sorry, I didn't mean to throw you out there. No, but I mean, yeah, the people in general enjoy the choices being made for them. So in this case, saying it didn't work out, yes, in this case, but if they had to apply that philosophy here, we have to tell you about everything. Apple products wouldn't be Apple products anymore. So to me- I believe this is an example of an anti-bubble. Maybe. Where you have more people complaining about it than actually care. I think most people are fine with Apple just doing this. Yeah, and I think I will say this. I think the reaction they're having is appropriate. They made a mistake. They're correcting it and they're making it go away as quickly as possible. They acknowledged it immediately and are going through very reasonable steps to make it go away. Starting to feel familiar. Apple's been apologizing and taking care of stuff immediately for a couple of months now. Is this a problem? Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. 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Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. I forgot to turn off the recording before I did that. So that's going to be the last thing on that. Me and Sarah are going... It's our new stinger for 2018. Right, yeah. Hope you like it. All right. Apple Bot BuddyBuild. An app development service. Oh, it's a rule into Xcode. I had not heard of BuddyBuild before. Oh, it's like a development product. Yeah. All right. All right. So there's that. Cool. Titles. Mayhaps. Titles. We're just assuming you're going to start. Oh, okay. Give us the best ones. What are the best ones? VR and AR. Like their phones, Apple is a little slow on the uptake. Happy birthday, DTNS. Disney predicted to buy everything. 88-inch 8K, there's 3-8. You know, in Chinese, it's just a popular culture. That's triple good. That's a little insider-y. I like it. Except Samsung's Korean. Apple Battery Gate Apology, Assaults and Battery. Hey. Hey. Everything's coming in 2020. Intel and AMD sitting on the cherry, P-R-O-C-E-S-S-I-N-G. I like that one. Do you? Yeah. But you have to say you have to read it singing. Yeah. That is a requirement. Meetless VR and AR. Might work. Yeah, man. Don't feel afraid of fixing mistakes. Listen, Tom. This is your copyrighted material. Team effort here, okay? No, the backstory of this is that I got auto-corrected from metal ends to meetless, and I didn't notice it, but Patrick noticed it and in Slack wrote, like, hey, as cool as meetless technology sounds, I believe that it's supposed to be metal ends. I'm like, oh, yeah, ha, right, absolutely. Patrick, of course, assuming that I was about to fix it, not knowing that I was actually in my car at the time where I'm like, oh, I guess Patrick will fix it. Right. Three of the covens. Um, what do you like? Meetless VR. I like meetless VR and AR. Just meetless VR, it rolls up the tongue. It's like, oh, yeah, we could just shorten it. But I'm fine with that. Also, I disagree. Apple is slow on the uptake. I think they reacted very quickly, but that's my Apple fan boys and talking according to... I mean, you could argue that they shouldn't have done it at all. Oh, that's different. It was pretty unusual for them to apologize at all. So, yeah, I don't think the speed of their reaction is the big thing to criticize here. Right. That is my not Apple fan boy reaction. Fan boy. Fan boy. That's the fan boy theme song. Is it still a pejorative? Yeah, I think you're a pejorative. It's like, I think it's like... That is the meanest thing you've ever said to me, Tom. I don't even know what it means. Is it a pejorative means? Well, no, I know what pejorative means, but if you call someone a pejorative, that just... I mean, it could be a compliment. It just means you're bad news. No, you're a label of... You can't walk it back. It's like saying, like, I just put on socks and then being like, you're a sock. And everyone's like, ooh. That's totally what it was. Wow. It's a thing. It sounds bad. No, no, no. It's like saying all this... If you say you're something is... No, no, no. You're right. You're right. It's bad. Let's try it. Tom, you have lovely glasses. You're lovely glasses. No, it's like... Tom, why would you say that? Come on. What? But you know what the proper... Geronica Belmont taught me the proper response to these. If someone says you're something, your response is you're a mom's something, and that escalates it. Right. Which also has levels of complexity. Oh, totally. Yeah. Got to worry. Mom's a pejorative? I mean, I don't know if I'd be feel comfortable saying that about Roger's mom to be honest. Well, it's like saying, like, you know, dinner's a disaster. It's like, well, you're a disaster. Yeah, well, that was definitely mean. Or like, you know, you could just be back. And Veronica's like, oh, it's a mother. Your mom's a disaster. She has a mother, though. So it wouldn't work. No, the next level of escalation, as I am aware, is I, whatever the thing is, your mom last night. Oh, yeah. No, that is not okay. No. Tom Merritt. I'm not saying... I'm just saying this is the template I mean, you're right. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. It brings out the worst in Utah. I templated your mom last night. It's a template of insults, Sarah. I didn't make it up. It's a template. Oh, no. Well, it looks like a very bad winter storm is going to hit the East Coast this week. Oh, no. That's not good. Yeah. They've already been, you know, Patrick is like, come to Finland sometime, but... Well, actually, we're having a fairly mild weather this year for the summer, for the winter in Finland. Yeah. The thing that is unescapable is the darkness, though. Ah, the darkness. That's just your longitude. Yeah. Take it away from that. We cannot get away from longitude. Or if we did, I think it would mean very bad things for the physics of the solar system. Is it your days, like six hours long? Yeah. Pretty much this time of the year. We're past the hump, though. We're on our way to lengthening. Well, we are in the lengthening. You're late. The time of sun is lengthening now. Right, we're past the solstice, I believe. Right, exactly. Are the vampires packing up, ready to move out? Not really. The Finns are still everywhere in Helsinki. They are, you know, their pasty complexion is very vampire-like. Do they have pointy canines? No, they don't. This may be the last live show with Patrick for a while. Yeah. It might be, yeah. Especially since next week it's CES, so... Yeah, I need to get on the Scorn People for... For Tuesdays? Yeah, for Tuesdays. Ah, just put it. Who's your worst enemy? I'm not trying to pry, Patrick. Do you have names yet? Or is that something you're still... I mean, you could tell us without telling us the names. Yeah, no, no, I'm not wanting you to say the names. I was curious if you guys have settled or if you're still discussing or... Yeah, I was waiting for Tom to finish his sentence. Yes. Yes is a great name. I love that. Yes, we do have names and we're not saying the names. Yeah, yeah, no, of course. Yeah, yeah, we have names, yes. Smart. I have definitely been guilty of someone being like, well, we really love name. And then I go, ah, hated that girl in high school. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. Like, I'm so sorry, you know. Just... All right, now I'm definitely not telling you. No, don't. Don't. I'll just ruin it somehow. Patrick... Silently across as Sarah, off the list. Yeah, exactly. There are enough Sarah's in the world. Don't do that to her. But if you do, I will think it's a lovely name. With an H. That's right. What about Tom? For a girl. Yes. Okay. Tomasina. I was going to be Amy if I had been a girl. Oh, that's a lovely name. Although I hated that girl. Let's imagine you was a girl. What's that? Just put a wig on and you can pretend that you're Amy. Sure. Or you can pretend even without a wig. Do whatever you want, Tom. Yeah, exactly. Thank you for not boxing me, Patrick. I did even... My mom was a fan of little women, the book. And so... It's good that you added the book in your second. Yeah. Because I'm not sure what we would have gotten. My mom was a fan of little women. Who's the one who got scarlet fever? That wasn't Amy. Joe Haydson? What? Amy was the younger one, I think. Yeah. I'm trying to remember all the sisters. My older sister's name is Meg. There's Meg, Joe, Amy, and... Laura? Another one. So, yeah. And Laura was... You know, she was... It was about her, I think. Well, because... But my mom had two children that didn't live. My sister, Meg, did. And they were Laura, Meg, Joe, and then I was going to be Amy. And then I wasn't. Wow. What about that? Oh, I'm sorry. Well, I know, it was kind of a... I mean, it was one time ago, but... Right, right, right. My parents were going to name me Matthew. That was a boy. That's a lovely name as well. That's a great name. But I'm like, Matt Lane. Well, you know... Oh, Matt Lane. That's like... Yeah. Yeah. Or I was going to say a superhero. That is an awesome... Right. I mean, Sarah Lane is great. A podcaster by day. That way. I think we just uncovered something. Sarah is a superhero. I mean, you're just no... You're just catching on. All right. Also, okay. Can I just say, since we're talking about superheroes, and I don't watch a lot of superhero movies, or not all of the ones that come out, a lot of people had problems with Justice League, I thought it was really good. Oh, look at you. All right. Good for you. I enjoyed it. Had a good time. I went into the theater fully ready to despise it, like to hate it with every fiber of my being, because I did for Matt of Steel and Batman V Superman. I think they are terrible, terrible movies in ways that I can hardly describe. But I didn't hate Justice League. I thought it was entertaining. Dumb. I like two of the five movies in Justice League. I mean, there were certainly things about the plot where I'm like, huh, okay, suspend a little disbelief on this one. But I feel that way about the good ones, too. That's like 80% of the movies out there. Yeah. It's not just a suspension of disbelief. It's like an active... Like, oh, I just got to keep believing. I got to keep believing this is going to end up somewhere. Yeah. I think the DC movies miss the point on many of the superhero. They, for some reason, under Zack Snyder, decided to go with this kind of dystopian, darker, more like gritty. Right. Snyder doesn't understand what a superhero is supposed to be. He just makes action movies where people punch other things. And that is not... Justice League was, you know, was a lot more... His... Well, Zack Snyder's whole thing is deconstruction. Deconstruction, right? Yeah, I bet you know. You can't deconstruct something that hasn't been... I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying that somebody looks at things through. And that's why Watchmen was such a great adaptation because it was a comic book that deconstructed the whole idea of what superheroes in the real world would look like. Well, Watchmen was already... The comic was already that. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why the adaptation with him doing it worked, because that's what the source material was. Material. But yeah, Justice League, I thought, was pretty fun. I was very surprised that I enjoyed the company of those characters, even Cyborg, who should not work. He's just a very, very dumb character in the DC Universe. No, he is not. I think that... In the movie universe, he's given like 15 minutes to build up the entire character and it works. And I think in that context, it's very difficult to make work. Cyborg is a lot... Can be a lot more complex. It's just that for the longest time he was our token black guy. Right? I mean, it was either Jon Stewart, him, black lightning or whoever as their token minority. And that's how they wrote him. Yeah, but I was talking about the movie, not giving him a lot of space. And without a lot of space, he's just a dumb half person with a very ridiculous look. And that being what I knew of that character, that movie going in, was ready to think it wasn't... It wouldn't work in the context of that film. And I was surprised that it ended up being an okay character. I wasn't talking about the comic. And we've lost Sarah. Oh. What were you talking about? We can move on to another thing, honest. Alright. Bitcoin. How about that Bitcoin, huh? I think it was back below 15,000 by the time the predictions episode posted. So my prediction then became worthwhile again. Alright. Any last words before I turn off the broadcast? More light. More light. Four lights? There are four lights. More light in 2018. Give me my egg. Have a lovely CES. Happy baby. Yeah, happy baby. Not yet. Not yet. Happy incoming baby. We're not... I know. We're trying to give you good wishes. Incoming. Happy baby is set to drop any minute now. Give it all your sleep in good times now. Right. Yeah. Go to sleep. He'll work out. He'll work out. It will. Alright. Happy new year, everybody. Bye. Bye.