 Hey everybody, today we're debating whether or not porn is bad for society and we are starting right now. With Kat's opening statement, thanks so much for being with us Kat, the floor is all yours. Perfect, thank you. So I would like to argue on the side of porn and not being bad for society. When we talk about the specifications of what I mean by pornography, I mean the things that we traditionally think of, such as your hub websites, you know, your ex something something websites, nothing that is explicitly illegal. Of course, those are harmful. That's why those are illegal. But everything that's within the range of being a consensual type of depiction of sexuality between two different performers that want to be there. I don't see any form of harm for our society. For example, I think it's a really good way for people to get experience with sex if they don't have the opportunity to be able to engage in it. For example, if I'm a 18 year and I've never had sex before, I'm going to have sex for the first time. And I don't know what I'm doing. This would be a good way for me to see a little bit of what this looks like. Because it can be very embarrassing for people for their first times. I also think it's a very, it's a preferred method for people to get out some of their sexual attention as opposed to alternative means. I think that a masturbation would be able to get out any form of sexual desire is a better thing for our society than people walking around with a lot of pent up frustration. And overall, I think that, especially with some of the movement that we're taking within the porn industry, like for example, woman based porn companies where it's depicting a lot more realistic forms of pornography. I think this is a great way for us to move away from what perhaps people like myself grew up watching. And I think if we can really get more and more people onto the more realistic depiction to sex that this could really help with boosting or having a proper dialogue about sexuality and being able to move towards a society and where more people care about both partners gratification rather than what we've grown up as as teenagers, at least for myself, where it's a lot of I am just here to serve men. So overall, I think porn is definitely better that we have it rather than we don't. And I'm excited to see what my point would have to say. You got it. Thank you very much for that. And want to let you know, folks, if it's your first time here at Modernated Bait, we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion, and politics. We hope you feel welcome no matter what walk of life you are from. And Dr. Jones, thanks for being with us. The floor is all yours for your opening as well. Thank you. And thank you for inviting me in thinking about the debate. I was thinking about the last debate I had here thought about maybe there's a better way to begin this than it began at the last time. So I remember being at my 40th wedding anniversary. And I remember looking around the room. And I remember thinking there are two people there were two people in this room that there were let's say there I think there are about 20 people in the room of the 20 people in that room. 18 of those people one way or the other came into being actually as a result of my relationship with my wife. There were only two people. There were three people in the room. There was I was there. My wife was there and my mother was there. Everyone else in that room came into being as a result of the fact that we got married and had had five children over the course of those 40 years and over the course of that time those children went on to get married and they went on to have what I now have how is 21 grandchildren. That wasn't that number at that time but that was we were heading in that direction. So given this fact you come to the conclusion that sexuality is a gift. It's a gift that's given to you and in some sense it's like money. Money can be a gift and you can take that money and you can do pretty much whatever you want with the money but the outcomes are going to be radically different depending on the decisions that you make. Same thing is true same thing is true of sexuality. So I was once in a position where I was starting off in life I was trying to launch a magazine and a man who believed in me even though I have really nothing to show for it at that point gave me some money. I'll tell you what it was it was $40,000. Now this was a while ago but even then $40,000 you could have bought a car for $40,000 and 40 years later you'd have nothing to show for it. Okay and a car is not as neutral it's not something that's bad all right or you could have spent $40,000 getting high with various kinds of drugs in which case you probably wouldn't be here to 40 years later to discuss the issue or you could invest the money in the source of all wealth which is labor and so I invested that money in my labor and for 40 years now I've been doing the magazine that I founded with that money. Same thing is true of sexuality you can either follow the plan understand what it is and follow the plan in which case you will create a world that didn't exist and wouldn't exist without your participation with the participation between you and your wife or you can piss it away which is what many people have done with human sexuality. Now this brings us to the contemporary situation I'm talking about not my generation probably not even my children's my older children's generation I've talked about my grandchildren's generation who have been raised in a completely pernicious environment where the sexual desires that normal people have have been ruthlessly exploited for first of all profit certain people benefit from this financially but more importantly as a form of control. What happened to the generation that I'm talking about is the exact opposite of what happened to my generation or to me there was a time when I was I met my wife when I was 17 and she was 16 I proposed to her when I was 20 and she was 19 we got married when I was 21 and she was 20 and the result of that I that really I remember thinking at that time that I wanted a life that this could provide me with a life of my own because I didn't have a life of my own at that point what we're seeing now is a generation that has been deprived of a life okay because they've been deprived of the normal the normal function of sexuality which is to allow a man and a woman to unite in marriage and to be open with procreation how have they been deprived of this this brings us to the form of sexual liberation as a form of control which is a book I wrote about 25 years ago and suddenly it caught on 20 some years later with no FAP November when I wrote that book it seemed like a paradox how can sexual liberation be a form of control by the time it caught on I didn't have to explain that to anybody because that generation that had been deprived of their lives deprived of the lives that they could have had if in the normal course of things a man met a woman if they fell in love and they got married they knew I didn't have to I didn't have to tell them anymore that they knew they were the slaves of their passions they knew they had a nasty addiction that it was very difficult to break but now they knew they understood the bigger picture which is this was a form of control a form of control that basically robbed them of their lives and exploit them and so you have a generation now that grew up with pornography on their phones got a nasty habit of masturbation could go along with it and in addition to that fell into debt slavery because of educational debt and ended up slaves the difference was they knew they were slaves now I didn't have to tell them this anymore they knew they were slaves and some of them have told me that simply explaining how it worked allowed them to escape from that form of bondage a lot of them did and a lot of them which is a hopeful sign a lot of them were be able to break this bad habit a lot of them were able because they broke the bad habit broke out of the cocoon of isolation that masturbation and pornography surrounds you with and we're actually able to relate to a member of the opposite section we're actually able to get married and then went on to have children and we're on their way to having a successful life okay the consciousness of what what what pornography was had to come to them the hard way which is to say in the expensive school of experience because when I was when I was young when I was that age it was just starting to break through the the breakthrough the breaking down of all of the barriers and protections the protected young people from this ruthless type of economic exploitation we're just starting to break down at that point and nobody could talk about it with any sense of experience well those days are over okay uh Benjamin Franklin said experience keeps an expensive school but fools will learn and no other well this generation learned that lesson of what pornography is really about in the expensive school of experience and I didn't have to go and tell them that they were slaves they knew they were slaves and they were tired of being slaves and that's when they started this this consciousness started to get put into action at that point and it is continuing to this day because the genie is out of the bottle now the consciousness is out there sexual liberation is a form of control it was created to control and to wreck that generation and now they're waking up to it and now because of that consciousness we are aware of all the other forms of control that are being imposed on us and we're waking up to that too thank you thank you very much dr jones for that opening as well and want to let you know folks we are absolutely thrilled as you can see at the bottom right of your screen big debate coming up this month between dr jeff's weirden and dr goikovic on whether or not cosmology points to god you don't want to miss it hit that subscribe button and that notification bell so that you don't miss it and with that we're going to jump into open conversation and we've got just a bit extra so it'll be about 38 minutes total for this open conversation thanks so much dr jones and cat the floor is all yours yeah um so i want to figure out some of these secretaries because in my mind a lot of things come off as non-secretaries i don't understand one how uh i i guess this is like a bit of a populism thing that you do where you're like economic control i don't know why we talk about economic control when we're really just talking about whether or not porn is good if you could either tell me why you're doing it or just not do it all at all because then you know we're gonna of course i'm gonna want to talk about this you caught me i'm a leftist but it's not super related i also uh there's just i don't understand how you get from a to z when you say wow look at all my kids and that's why you guys should not be masturbating i mean i can have kids and masturbate these are things that people can do i just don't really understand any of your a line of argumentation as well as i you didn't really engage with any of the things i said as well so i mean do you have any refutations for the idea of masturbation because i i don't really particularly talk about masturbation i talk about pornography as a way for people to learn about sexuality figure out things that they like you know come into a relationship being able to establish already know knowing some of the things that they're into so that they can basically mate with others more fruitfully and you just kind of talk about other things yes it's clear that you didn't understand what i said uh because uh you don't understand that masturbation and pornography lead to isolation they don't they don't help in relationships they are the opposite of helping in relationships yeah i've heard this point before about how masturbation doesn't help with relationships but i mean i'm you know as somebody with a vaginal canal i can have a relationship whenever i want because that's the beauty of having having a woman's body so i i can masturbate as much i want go on my phone five minutes later i have someone that wants to come over how does masturbation stop that from happening you said a relationship i mean sorry what can we specify what do you mean by relationships i i assume you know what the word means relationship means some type of sexual relationships you mean well that relationship that's the whole point that's the whole point what do you mean by a relationship you mean you can get somebody call somebody up over and tender and have sex with them and you call that a relationship i that's the opposite well i didn't bring up relationship i'm saying that if you say it leads to isolation yes i'm just trying to figure out what do you mean like it stops me from having being able to have sex what do you mean it stops me from being able to be in a partnership it doesn't it doesn't have to stop you from having sex it stops you from having a relationship that's where it stops you have you ever watched porn with a partner have i what have you ever watched porn with a partner partner or have you heard of it because that's something i've done with people that i was engaged to i watched porn with partners this is something that you watch porn with partners yeah why not well that means that means you're not having sex with your partner you're distracted by something you have it right after you watch it and you say oh i like that thing why do you need to porn why do you need to i get to show something i like doesn't that that's okay let's say i'm somebody that's interested in a particular thing and that person doesn't know anything about it i can show a demonstration of oh i like this particular thing and then they're like oh okay so that's what you want me to do yeah that's what i want you to do okay let's turn this off and then you can do it so you need porn to to uh put that idea in your mind especially if it's something that somebody's not used to even if you're doing this non-vanilla even if you're doing this you're heading away from the essence of sexuality which is communion with another person and you're heading toward the direction of basically mutual masturbation which means you're not going to have a relationship you're not going to you're not going to have a meaningful relationship no i said that i turn it off it's not like we sit there and watch the whole thing i just wanted to show a particular part and pornography is helpful for that it's at least easier for me to show that as opposed to explaining so i want this and this and this and i want specifically to be tied with this not i can just show it on the video to the extent you're talking about these perversions you're heading away from the purpose of sexuality and the problem is the prop the purpose of sexuality is procreation oh have you ever heard of infertile woman so no i never i never heard of that no okay yeah i of course i've heard about that okay so you what you are you saying that there's no connection between procreation and sexuality is that what you're saying are you saying that women that don't have the ability to bear should just close their legs and sew it up no i'm saying that you have a relationship okay there's a lot of sexual relationships that people have currently where they're not able to bear there's a lot of men that don't have a lot of sperm there's a lot of women that don't have uh do you want to be the bear there's non straight relationships in which there's no there's no way something's going to happen so now what okay let me get back to the point the point is that the relationship is a union of two people that is permanent if it's not permanent it's not a real relationship it's a serial relationship with a bunch of different people which defeats the purpose of sexuality which is union of two people leading a fruitful union between two people that leads to the creation of human life now you are perfectly inside the biology books by the way does it say that and like my textbook that the purpose of having sex is to specifically lead to it are you saying there is no connection between procreation and sexuality are you saying there's i'm saying that you're contradicting i'm saying that there's a correlation i didn't say there's a causation there's a so there is a connection there is a connection yeah there's also a connection is that is that having sex and just having getting my rocks off so i mean there's several different reasons to have sex the you can look you can defeat the purpose of sexuality that's true you can do it and you're you're doing a good job at it by talking of all of these type of actions that leads you away from a meaningful relationship with another person so you can't have a meaningful relationship with a group of people who get together to engage in some type of perverted activity it doesn't lead anywhere okay so at a certain point there's two people that can get married right and they love each other and they do all the things that you like and they try so hard to have kids and they can't because one person's shooting blanks and the other person's barren does that mean that they should probably just call it quits no that doesn't invalidate the marriage the marriage well then but the whole purpose is procreation so now what well that doesn't mean that you're thwarting procreation there's a difference between being incapable of having children and thwarting the idea of having children which means you're thwarting the purpose of sexuality which means it will turn around and hurt you it will hurt you in the long run and that's what happened to these people do you have data on like it hurting me like is there at some point will somebody's like penis like stab me to death i'm a little bit confused it will hurt you because the person that you could have created a life with uh you missed that opportunity it's not there you missed it because you were too busy engaging in uh fruit uh pointless sex with a number of different strangers and you'll wake up one day and you'll think oh that's opportunity is going now uh and i never got the life that i could have had if i had followed the plan if you're following the there's a lot of people that don't want kids so today just call it quits never have sex if you you you can't seem to comprehend the difference between thwarting the plan and not being able to fulfill the plan because of some type of defect yeah right now i'm but right now i'm not talking about authority i have you are talking about of course you are i'm not talking about the same content you of course you are very very agro in comparison to me i can i would like you to consider taking that down so what i'm trying to say is that there are some people that are barren but there's also some people that are can get married and then they both mutually agree that we never want to have children then you're thwarting the plan of sexuality but they're doing that whole thing if you like if you're in the marriage and the union and if you thwart them if you thwart the plan you will end up unhappy it's very simple okay what about have you ever seen people that have kids that didn't want to have kids they they're not very happy there are many causes unhappiness in this life but one and having kids without wanting them is one of them say you say you no i mean obviously it's any adult but i have had friends whose parents did not want to have them because their parents were married but like the parents were currently using drugs and did not want kids at the moment and those kids did not i mean they followed the plan they got married and they procreated but the parents don't want to have kids and it's not like they those kids are raised in a particularly happy household when parents have kids without wanting them and so the solution would be aborting them before they're born i'm asking i don't know what would you like them to do i'm saying that oftentimes people unhappy and oftentimes they get over their unhappiness okay if they're if they're over unhappiness eventually they put a kid for adoption when the kid's 10 years old we're talking about theoretical possibilities okay no it's not theoretical this happens okay it happened but is that the norm i'm talking about a norm here oh i'm talking about a plan that has there's some type of purpose to it if you ignore the purpose of it you will not end up with a successful life so i question after let's say most women are no longer able to have kids after about 45 are they just are they supposed to stop them stop what having sex no who said they were supposed to stop but isn't the purpose but what do you it turns it turns out what what do you what do you mean it turns what do you mean by having sex sometimes having sex is listed sometimes it's not if you're within a marriage yeah the marriage if you're within a marriage where uh you're infertile or something like that doesn't change the fact that you're in a marriage and that sex will still have the unit of effect that it's supposed to have so if you're like a religious thing where like they say in the bible that marriage is the closest thing that you're going to get to heaven it's supposed to be a reward for like you being a good boy is that what is that what we're kind of going for right now or are you are you sneering at religion it seems well you're sneering you're not the same religion as you so it doesn't matter what religion you are so i mean the purpose of my religion marriage isn't that special the purpose of sexuality is independent of any religion all religions all over the world uh involve people all of them say that marriage is the super duper special thing that's really close to heaven there are a number of uh interrupts i do want to give doctor do you want do you want me to finish the sentence are we going to have a re a replay of vosh here where every time i'm stopped in mid sentence and i can't finish my thought i'm a lot is that the point is that the point no you can go uh there are many different religions thank you thank you for letting me finish my sentence there are many different religions uh but the family structure is always the same it's a man and woman uniting in marriage to have children that's the norm that is the status of the entire human race no matter what religion you are okay uh you know some of us don't have sex with the others gender right are you are you are you saying that they'll have sex with if i'm a woman some of us don't have sex with men right and that's that's called a perversion according to who according to god why do i care about your god i'm not of the same religion as you perhaps my religion says it's cool doesn't matter doesn't matter what doesn't it you are every every person we're basing this off of the uh off of the uh you know the three religions you know the same god that is ala is yaway is god but perhaps no i'm not you my god doesn't care you don't own god you don't have a god there's different gods depending on which religion like you are speaking about the yaway one and i might be talking about christina and what if christina really likes it when i as long as i get i am getting off christians christina's happy then what so uh you can worship christina but you still have the same family as anyone who were people who worship mohammed or peace who were jesus christ they are not the same god i didn't say they were the same god i said you have the same family structure no matter what religion you have it's a man and a woman uniting uh to form a family and having children that have you ever heard of uh he dress it's a very well understood and like very common uh other gender within hindu religions where they don't count as either and would do those people do so is that really what does that i have to do with what i just said because is there a family is there some family so then now now what is there such a thing as a family he draws can have families yes is there such a thing as a family yeah i just said it okay what is it what is it then maybe two he draws get married and waiting that you're bringing this exception in what is the family you can't make an exception the rule and he has a kind of tree of the over a billion no no tell me what a lot of people you tell me you tell me what a family is a family is whatever you'd like it to be so it's like uh playing baseball i mean at least within queer it's whatever you like it to be within this this is absurd this is absurd i have to say a family is whatever you like it to be is your automobile whatever you like it to be can you put sugar in your gas tank and say maybe one day run fine can you perhaps one day combustions are very interesting oh okay so so you can put sugar in your gas are we talking about porn but you're not you're not talking about a family are we talking about porn anymore because porn is a perversion of the family that's what it is it's a perversion it's sex for entertainment so when sex should when sex should be used for a higher purpose well i've defined the college movies show depictions of what university looks like and university is actually for education but all they do is party it's a perversion of the college experience but i'm not mad this isn't about you whether you're mad or not we're trying to come to some type of conclusion about sexuality and whether it's entertainment or whether it serves the higher purpose as long as it's on tv it's usually entertainment for all like law and order is entertainment versions of the court system everything is going to be an entertainment version of anything if it's on your television would you prefer that they show the parts of like porn where the girl has to be like oh wait let me put the towel on oh i'm still in my period like sure i would like that that works but we're getting into the situation where we're talking past you say you're not you're not addressing i can't talk to you i mean if it makes you feel any better neither are you so let's try getting down to this so what exactly because if we're just going to sit here and talk about religion and how like god's real mad when i beat by me like that's not really conductive now is it do you have like non-religious like types of argumentation for sure i've been giving you i've been giving you a non-religious argument all the way all the way through here i'm talking about the purpose the purpose of sexuality and you can't seem to explain the fact that children okay so just if someone's still talking what will give you a response cat yeah sorry they get a finish you being that you dr jones if you want to finish we're we're in the same type of bind that we're in the last time where you cannot have a discussion every time i say something i'm interrupted in mid-sentence because the lady doesn't have a position she can't come up with her own position she can't answer the question what is the family okay she can't answer that question because unless we understand some type of normative understanding what sexuality is we can't talk about the perversion of sexuality and she's trying to tell me that there's no difference between the perversion and the norm and that's not true okay uh i know i didn't specify this earlier but uh and obviously why should you know but i just i prefer you call me like other things because i'm i don't identify as a woman so just yeah it's not like lady but yeah like you could say cat um but yeah um so um the thing i'm trying to say is like you say oh like sexuality is made for this and this and i have taken a couple biology classes and i never saw that the sexual reproductive system is made specifically for the higher order of this and this and this so i mean it might just seem like you have your own definition and i have a different one uh unless you can give me some type of i don't some type of documentation that shows that biologically it says that this is made for union between a man and a woman and i'm supposed to bear children with my husband but i don't think you'll find a book for that so you and i are just disagreeing about what the utility of the sexual reproductive systems for but you just call it a reproductive system right doesn't that indicate some type of purpose here it's it definitely indicates what it can do doesn't mean it's the sole purpose i never said it was a sole purpose the union the union of spouses is one of the purposes of sexuality and procreation is the other and you just said it and i'll say that i think you're interrupting me again you're interrupting me again you just said it was a reproductive system and then now you're telling me there's no purpose to reproduction or that's not and that's not significant why is it called a reproductive system if it's insignificant it's a utility it has just like it's called a digestive system but that doesn't stop people from doing anal it's called the digestive system because it has a purpose yeah the purpose that's the utility but you can also put things in no no it's the purpose of the stomach is to digest the food if you thwart that purpose you are not going to be happy the same thing is true of sexuality if you thwart the purpose of sexuality you're not going to be happy you won't have a successful life so if i do anal i'll be real sad yeah you will yeah as a matter of fact you will i don't i don't agree with you i i think there is a reach out to a lot of people and they would say otherwise because there is a purpose to the anus and anyone who thinks the anus is a sex organ is confused that's not the purpose and if you're thwarting the purpose you will not be happy and i guarantee you if you engage in that type of sexuality you will not be happy well lips are made for putting things into them like eating but if i kiss my partner i'm not going to get real sad i mean i don't think there's any place i haven't i have no objection to you kissing anyone that's because that's the one that you like but it doesn't say anywhere that lips are made specifically for kissing but we do it is it is the digestive system made for digesting yeah but sometimes it can also is the reproductive system it back in is the reproductive system made for reproduction it can't be but also sometimes yeah sometimes you can do other things i mean it's not like the second you go ahead and penetrate your right she gets pregnant on spot otherwise if you wanted to be strictly for reproductive i would suggest you get a turkey baster so you could be a lot more scientific about it but you're doing other things right i mean you're not just reproducing no you end up being happy in the middle no no because human sexuality is based on human contact it's you can separate procreation from sex and you can neuter the reproductive capability but you can also re neuter the unitive capability they both go together man and woman uniting without thwarting the reproductive aspect of sexuality uh is the recipe for happiness if you thwart it you will be unhappy because you're thwarting the plan you're thwarting the plan so you can fill your stomach full of nails and razor blades and you will be unhappy because you're thwarting the the purpose of digestion by doing that is that so hard to understand why is porn bad pardon me i didn't hear you why is porn bad because it thwarts the purpose of sexuality so say you and i disagree on that do you have another argument it's it's it thwarts the intimate nature of sexual union and turns it into a form of entertainment and that's thwarting the purpose of sexuality so you and i disagree on that so now do you have an an additional reason why it's bad why do i have to that's a reason why do i have to give you another reason very good why do you ignore why do you ignore the it asks for reason i give you a reason and then you ignore it no i don't ignore it i hear you and this is not no no this is not this is not debate this is not discussion you're thwarting this is a debate you're thwarting the logos of debate in the same way you're thwarting the logos or purpose of sexuality you're just saying oh no it doesn't matter it doesn't matter no i'm saying i've engaged with your argument and i disagree i know you disagree obviously you disagree that doesn't make but that doesn't change that doesn't make my argument flawed because you disagree with it just because you say your argument isn't flawed doesn't mean that's not so i mean if i say if i've engaged with it and i'm saying i just don't think that your religious context is enough to really make me stop want to watch it every single day then now what no the will is free and we're reaching we're reaching the point that we reach with the vosh discussion which basically uh you're thwarting you're thwarting the ability to communicate no i would like to communicate i would like to have maybe another line of argumentation because if you said if you say that oh it's because it leads you to isolation i don't say no it doesn't or i don't store my hands up i say well i believe that it perhaps maybe by itself it could be isolating but what happens if you want to form with the partner i come with another line of argumentation but if your sole line of argumentation is it's thwarting the natural order and i say hmm and then you're like it's thwarting thwarting the natural order and you say hmm again well then we're just no no no you're ignoring what i said you've already admitted that there is a natural order to digestion no i say that digestion is yes so yes you put food inside your system but if i also want to put something inside my butthole that's not going to be ruining my entire life let's not let's not talk about your butthole let's talk about your stomach you can put things in your stomach that will thwart digestion and make you unhappy right yes uh yeah but uh you know what yes okay good good we finally we finally agreed on something okay so why is digestion different than the reproductive system why is it it's the same because some things can so some things can serve multiple purposes my skin is made for me to strictly stop disease from coming into my body but if somebody kisses my hand it's not thwarting the natural order so you you every time you have to bring up an example you have to divert us from what we're supposed to be talking about things can be multifaceted no there's a purpose to it there's a purpose to your stomach there's nothing multifaceted about your stomach it has one purpose it's purposes to digest food there's more than just your stomach in your digestive system just like there's more than your ovaries didn't we just didn't we just agree on this didn't we just agree on this i'm saying that your stomach is made for putting certain things in but that doesn't mean that that's necessarily what the other parts are and just like your ovaries are made to go ahead and drop uh ovums but that doesn't mean that my uterus or my like the canal between the uterus and outside are not made for other things so they're made for one thing they're made for one thing the fact that you can abuse something doesn't mean that the purpose is not there it's just that you're abusing the purpose and so you can see it when it comes to the stomach but you can't see it when you come to the reproductive organ because less darkens the mind your mind has been darkened by all of these bad habits that you know i'm just i'm just melanated my it doesn't reach to my brain yeah the melanin doesn't go up sorry but i don't yeah i don't understand that's not a very good line of argumentation why isn't it it's exactly because we've reached the same impasse here we reached the same impasse because there is a blockage okay you can accept purpose when it comes to the stomach but as soon as soon as you're saying with vosh you're interrupting me again you're interrupting me again okay i'm in mid-sentence and you're interrupting me because okay you accept the idea there's a purpose for the stomach but when it comes to the reproductive system you're blocked and you're blocked because of lust because of the perversion of the sexuality has an effect on your mind and the point i'm trying to make here is this a precisely what happens when you engage in pornography and masturbation it causes blockage in the mind where you can't understand what is good for you and you can't follow that plan and you end up unhappy i don't masturbate so now what because i'm just advocating for porn because i'm not talking about people the hat no but you're saying i can't argument you i said you as a generic have a definitely have a blockage when it comes to the intellect yeah do i okay well how did that get there because i remember you were telling vosh that it's because of masturbation but i just told you i don't so now how did mine get there i don't know i don't know anything about you oh okay well then perhaps you should like put statements towards like someone's intellect without knowing that much about them because i don't know what your situation is i'm not going to prescribe anything to you so i would still like to argue on the point of why is porn bad because all i'm getting is a lot of like your mind's document oh sorry yes no no no no well we've got maybe about 30 seconds left before we go into the q and a we can make it a little bit longer if you guys want in order for each of you to draw together some of the threads from this discussion otherwise q and a is pretty quick here okay sounds good yeah i for me i just don't really think you're making very many arguments for why porn's bad a lot of it is oh well sexuality is main for you to join as a partner like great i can still watch porn and still procreate a lot of people do it a lot of people have kids and then still masturbate once they have kids so i just don't understand like you act like you can like two and three can't go ahead and combine and make something else is either you only have two or you only have three and i think like it's just a lot of it's like religious fundamentalism which is great i'm very happy you go to church i'm very proud of you but i don't understand why you need to prescribe what your church going tells you to do on to everybody else because i just well i'm we get mad about interruptions right okay so yeah i just don't really understand why you need to go ahead and police people's ability to watch porn just because you want people to procreate they could do both you can procreate while watching porn people do that sometimes so so you're claiming that i'm trying to impose my religion on you when all i'm trying to explain to you is that uh the human body has functions that have purposes and you admit it when it comes to the stomach but you won't admit it when there comes to the reproductive uh system digestion is one thing you don't understand that's that's the the gist of what i'm trying to talk about it has a purpose if you sort the purpose you will end up unhappy so therefore it's better not to thwart the purpose we might move into the q&a now this might be a good chance want to remind you folks that our guests are linked in the description if you want to hear more from our guests you can by clicking on those links and that includes in the podcast as we upload every debate to our podcast as well this one first coming in from out of half a queue says one's the last time let's see okay looking for serious questions folks want to let you know when you put in troll questions it's just a waste of our time and we're not going to read them because you want high quality questions for a high quality q&a for people to listen to mango tea says dr jones i agree i have a pornography issue i am lonely and in educational debt what do i do though to improve my life i hate this habit good okay so the first step is that you recognize your slave to your passions now how do you get out of this okay uh at this point you have to win you invoke religion okay you do invoke religion because uh you can't do it by yourself you can try some people do but for the most part you need some type of spiritual help to get out of this and so you have to ask you have to go to god and ask him for help and they're go to the church go this is this is why it's there jesus christ came because the world was uh admired in sin they couldn't get out of it so i'm pointing you in that direction that's that's the way to get out of it this one coming in from do appreciate your question asian talk says dr jones how does liberty equal control does control equal liberty in other words does it work in the reverse direction if they're equal and then says more control is more liberty your argument seems to lead to a contradiction yeah there is a it's a paradox obviously there's a paradox in that statement the sexual liberation is obviously not liberation okay the only type of freedom you have is the freedom to be a rational creature because that's what you are if you engage in irrational behavior you will not be free okay vice is irrational behavior because it is not following the logos of the human body it's not following the logos of moral behavior practical reason is another word for morality the way you achieve the good is through practical reason by making the right decisions that's the paradox here and in the first uh the previous discussion i said i talked about the israelis the israelis go into ramallah uh the palace the palestinian town and they start broadcasting pornography why did they do that because it lets you be free is that what the israelis want to do no it's because it's a form of control and they understand that and if you understand that you're underway of getting away from that type of uh addiction it's a paradox okay it is not liberation it's the opposite of liberation it's bondage this one coming in from mango tea says dr jones this is a different person actually they said due to my sexual habits or experiences i've developed neurological issues now i use a wheelchair doctors said that because of excessive dopamine production i don't know well i'm sorry sorry to hear about that this is the point i'm trying to make here is i want to spare people uh some type of sad outcome in their lives by pointing them in the right direction and pornography and masturbation is not the right direction it's the opposite this one coming in from mr monster technically they uh didn't say who this is for so if both of you want to respond you can they say uh do you think a family can just be two men and a child yes and i think there's many families that are exactly like that uh and i think they're very happy families two-parent households are cool as long as there's two parents then it's gonna be good no this one coming in from steven malrayney says let's see yeah looking for more of uh more on topic let's see let me switch over here i've got another set of questions from sunflower said how did people so this is for you cat said how did people manage before porn was invented was there i think they're saying was their quality of life or their quality of their sex life lower back then uh i wasn't there but people have been stroking it from day one uh my uh i've my brother is uh autistic to the extent that he cannot operate a machinery including a computer does not stop him we have to clean sheets every once in a while so i'm sure people have been beating it from the inception of i don't know human beings as a species this one coming in from sunflower says cat junk food is designed to maximize hedonistic pleasure via exploitation of a biological function isn't porn a lot like junk food in that way i'm sorry can you read can you read that yeah i'm sorry no problem they said junk food is designed to maximize hedonistic pleasure via exploitation of a biological function isn't porn a lot like junk food in that way junk food is just empty calories junk food is just something that i guess a lot of times it's uh something that people that don't have access to higher nutrition used to be able to get by or some people used to just kind of get through a day or down some type of sorrow i wouldn't really equate these two uh because when uh the move that one person might be in for why they're eating junk food might be very different than why somebody's watching porn as i said porn is something that you can watch with a partner and it can help up like uh upgrade your sex life if uh you're doing it properly whereas i don't really think there's a context in which after eating junk food you're like boy oh boy i sure really helped myself with uh getting my growth hormone in today uh i don't think they're equivalent sorry this one coming in from do appreciate your question mr monster says is there a problem with sex being entertainment i think that we know dr jones's response uh cat if it's i don't know if they mean like a non-sexual form of entertainment uh uh i i know no i mean i think it's bad if like i think it's bad if you can go somewhere uh and that's just like an amusement park but like if it's something within your own house and you're not you're doing anything sexual to it such as i specify it is how i use it i don't think there's a problem i look at it i'm like wow that's a nice move i note it down time stamp it send it to a partner for entertaining sorry about that jad martin says it's scientifically proven that regular porn consumption shrinks gray matter in the brain uh it's scientifically proven that red wine helps reduce cancer sure i mean what studies do you have because i as someone that is a scientist i absolutely i'm impressed by people saying studies say because studies say anything i need peer reviewed data i need something that's been published in a reputable journal just because like your bachelor's friend uh at your university was able to put something out by doing a survey i'm not very impressed but thank you this one coming in from alec wolf i didn't see your question alec if you have one let me know in the chat if you tag me with honor and debate and then i can read it for you ozzie and talk says hedonistic treadmills can be issues for anyone and porn isn't the only treadmill and so think about your hot showers do you appreciate a hot shower i think that they're maybe saying that the hedonistic treadmill from psychology usually referring to the fact that things usually lose their pleasure facilitation as you do them more often but i think they're trying to say that a hot shower still feels good after so many times and they're i think they're saying that therefore the he did not he didn't stick treadmill won't apply to porn i'm i'm guessing that's what they mean i think that's for you dr jones well i know of course it applies to pornography uh because uh there there's a trajectory with pornography that the the normal once you become addicted to it you become more and more addicted to more and more bizarre forms of it that leads become more and more dangerous uh to the point where people can get hurt or people can get killed that's the natural progression and it's based on the fact of this hedonistic treadmill that you just discussed this one coming in from alec wolf says dr jones says his arguments aren't based through religion but as soon as someone asked how to break their porn addiction he explicitly invoked religion i think they're saying that there's an inconsistency there's no inconsistency there uh if if you're asking about the purpose of sexuality that can be known by reason if you want to if you need help for breaking the habit that's why religion is there it's religion it's there to help you so to say that you can you should ignore religion when you're in need of some type of help that i'm not going to say that i'm i'm i believe that religion is there for a purpose i think it can help you and that's why i recommended it you got this one coming in from saved by christ says porn creates negative neural pathways in the brain that causes dependencies just like drugs do so why should we then treat porn as less harmful than other equally harmful addictions i think that's for you cat i have a video game addiction sometimes but no one's gonna tell me that video games are bad uh there's a lot of people that are alcoholics but that doesn't make us stop alcohol for being publicly like available like that's your if you have an addiction then that's something that you need help with that doesn't mean that everybody else needs to be like have their life changed because you're personally having a problem sure it's bad for some people it's not bad for everybody that's why everybody in america loves guns so much some people are responsible some people aren't what did you do this one from ac says my question is a cat how can she defend casual sexual relations in porn when they break down pair bonding according to the research that has been done i'm going to give you the same exact thing i just said great your your friend uh did a survey in la and asked about people's porn and stuff great can i have a peer reviewed study until then yeah i'm did you know that me coughing too hard can stop uh cause my lungs to come out people are saying this let's see this is paradigm shift plant-based vegan jedi says question for both i would like to know of either dr jones or cat can name any peer reviewed data demonstrating that porn is safe or peer reviewed data demonstrating that porn is not safe respectively because of the context in which i knew that i wasn't going to need it for my particular opponent no i don't but if you'd like you can go ahead and message me and i'll be able to get some for you thank you this leads to this dead end where you're some you're always quoting some type of scientific studies we don't need scientific studies we have people's testimony uh these people are addicted to it they're they're they're talking about their personal experience we don't need scientific studies to validate what these people understand that's ridiculous gotcha and looking in for the last questions any last questions i think that we've got them covered so want to say thank you very much folks for your questions thank you so much to our guests we really do appreciate them they are linked in the description folks if you want to hear more if you want to read more etc you can by clicking on those links in the description box including at the podcast but want to say thank you so much dr jones and cat it's been a true pleasure to have 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not talking to you the person in chat that asked the question i'm trying to save this person that emailed me it's like well that that might get you a lot of exposure but for us like we our goal is to to grow and so i gotta say the biggest thing that helps us prioritize getting someone on for a debate is if for example like brendan brenton langel he was like hey i got david d freedman to uh be willing to debate me and i was like what and he's like yeah but can you can i come on and i was like of course like because i don't know if you know what david d freedman is huge popular capitalist economist son of milton freedman like brilliant man so we were like oh of course we'll like yeah like like let me find you the right date you know in that case we were happy to do it because brenton has found like big name people he's he just reached out to them and they were like yeah sure i'll debate you're like oh come on and talk with you we've had other people do it as well so for example uh cider in port has gotten people with like a hundred thousand subscribers and that for us that helps a ton because like i said some people are like well i want to come on and it's fun for me to debate and i might get exposure for my channel and like i said i'm not saying that this is you in the live chat guapify i know that you're you don't have this attitude but sometimes people do have the attitude of well i want to come on it gets me exposure and uh and it's fun for me to debate and you know you should moderate it and sometimes even get mad if i say hey look i was like if you can find someone big that helps us to get more exposure and grow but i gotta be honest there are there are a lot of debates that i there are some now even that people say hey i got this person and uh we want to debate this topic and i'm like i don't know if that topic is gonna work for our audience like i think it's gonna fall flat i'm sorry we can't host it and sometimes they're like they're understanding they're like well let me see about other topics and sometimes they're pissed and like no like james you should let me it's basically my platform and james like you don't get to decide and it's like they don't say that but they might as well and so anyway i just have to say that that's the bare truth about like whether or not we're able to host people is that it really does make a difference if they're willing to go out and find somebody is for example brenton langel has done cider and port has done that makes a huge difference for us as we're like hey if we are really serious about talking about this vision and how we're determined to get to 100,000 subscribers by the end of the year then we got to say hey can you help us find somebody big that's willing to come on and debate you otherwise uh it's just not something we're able to do right now. 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choose for yourself which ones you'll actually watch and orthodox albanian good to see you and thanks for your support martin mertz that seriously does mean a lot cuddy was cuddly kenan thanks for coming by we're glad you are with us and let's see here joseph turcott good to see you skill night glad you are here bridge bridge thanks for dropping in as well as let's see here brooks ferro is right tickle the like button or rule it with an iron fist and crush and destroy the like button as we're at 183 so seven more likes and we're at 190 so i think we can totally get there thanks for your super chat contrarian 420 says tip for the house thank you contrarian seriously that really does mean a lot i really do appreciate that support and that helps us like whether you become a channel member which you can do the cheapest one is like a dollar 99 i think you get to use the emoticons and then once a month we usually do a members only chat and not only that but if you throw in a super chat or a you know channel membership that is a way that helps us we have a patreon in the description box in case you didn't know and that helps a lot like we last month if you didn't know this we hosted a debate conference it was a two-day conference with 14 different debates and panels it was huge in order for us to do that because we had to cover the flights for the guests the hotel nights for the guests the venue costs and we basically broke even we probably maybe like came out a little bit short but it was still worth it because that's part of our vision is really hey we are doing this for the vision and that's why we're excited nonetheless it was a huge success and the idea here is that being a channel member for example that helps us take those chances that helps us to take those risks to do things like in person debates especially debate conferences which are expensive i think it was like i have to ask bob i think it was like the total maybe was 10 12 grand i think it was like 12 grand and so like that's something that's like a risk for us like if all of a sudden it was just like all james like 12 grand just all on you i'd be like oh my gosh like how am i gonna sleep but guapify says what i meant was debate topic ideas but definitely appreciate the info oh yeah guapify you can let me know if you have topic ideas like i'm open like shoot them in the old live chat and i'm i'm open like i'm listening and then lucid dreamer says you don't own god he insists while declaring that he knows let's i don't want to take sides i don't want to read the rest of that sorry i didn't even realize i was reading somebody's actual comment but lucid dreamer we're glad you're here and then let's see here all over cat well good to see you says thanks nav i will see if i can find those nav is a psychonav brooks sparrow all over cat well have been huge supporters randolph you've been a huge supporter of the channel as well we really do appreciate that so thanks for always being with us oops push that green screen back to four you can see my cooker in the background but basically yes i do have a cooker here in my office i love to eat eggs they're nutritious they're economical they're tremendous so yeah i do i make eggs at the office sue me but guapify good to see you it says let's see uh let's see uh but yeah we want to say thank you guys and i've got a yeah i've got to change the auto response to let people know that's like the new kind of like how we're doing things but yeah want to say see randolph richardson has gone through the process for the wrench so let me wrench you up randolph and psychonav thanks for letting me know that yeah we do have we have a a kind of a rigorous process because we want to know that our moderators like know the rules very clearly like it's very organized and they do a great job because some people might say james why do you care about following youtube rules like you should break them and it's like well if we break them enough youtube removes us and youtube has helped us grow immensely and so we're like hey we're gonna follow terms of service because youtube does recommend our videos like crazy i've told you guys this before one example one of our videos has gotten four million impressions what does that mean it means youtube has shown that video to four million people four million so that's huge you guys that's phenomenal so youtube has helped us grow a ton and so that's why we're like hey we don't want to cut off the branch that we're sitting on we do follow terms of service it's just practical it just makes sense but yeah thanks for your support you guys i love it and we whoa you guys we had 190 likes so thank you for those i think it was eight of you that hit like your support seriously means a lot you guys we're only 10 likes away from 200 so we could have hundreds of likes if there are 10 more people willing to crush the like button with an iron fist and we want to say though mind your friends we are excited about the future we are going big places and we will overcome the hurdles and challenges that come no matter what we will just keep running through them if we have to as we have got a big vision here namely providing a neutral platform so that everybody whether they be politically far left politically far right christian atheist muslim you name it everybody will get their fair chance to make their case on a level playing field as we strive to get different people from different walks of life talking about the big questions of life so thank you guys we love you guys thanks for all of your guys's support it really does mean a lot you guys make this channel awesome thanks for all of your questions during the q and a that's a very real way in which series that you guys really do make the channel awesome and you help the channel and not only that because you might be like ah like really does it make that much of a difference you do make a difference you really are helping the channel just by being here whether you hit like and we're now five more people just hit like thank you for doing that friends is we're at we're five likes away from 200 so we're five likes away from officially being at hundreds of likes for this stream and i've got to tell you we're at 196 now so another person did thank you for doing that that person whoever you are that did hit that like button and i've got to tell you though you guys we are determined and you really do help this channel here let me tell you a couple other ways i've told you for example hitting the like button does get us more exposure leaving comments that kind of engagement does help the channel it gets us more exposure as well not only that but even being here just as a member of the modern day debate modern day debate community we're building a more eclectic and well-rounded larger community as we are excited to continue to have this expansive growth into youtube is we think that youtube and the internet needs this a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field and it's not overly produced where it's like oh no we can't let somebody say that oh is that we're like hey we're gonna let the chips fall where they may it is going to be authentic authentic it's going to be raw it's going to be something different from the mainstream media and we're excited to cover more current events topics as we're at 199 likes who is going to be the 200th person to hit like we appreciate your guys's support thanks for doing that we are excited about the future we love you guys we hope you have a great rest of your night and thank you guys so much i am absolutely pumped we just did that i really do appreciate it you guys we have hosted an epic stream we want to give all the credit to our guests we want to give you guys the credit as well for putting in the questions for the q and a and also thank you we just hit 200 likes 201 likes now somebody else did it so thank you for those of you who just hit the like button seriously we love you guys thanks for making this channel awesome it's always a blast oh i do want to say thank you as well too so we have the youtube uh premium youtube memberships so thank you mr monster for your support says i'm a premium youtube member and that's true we do appreciate that so mr monster thank you for that support as well as these are amazing level members so thank you so much don fullman for your support ozzie and tox thank you for your support and scott mitchell thank you for your support at the amazing level and thank you to all of our patreon supporters as you see the scroll the bottom of the screen all of those people help uh they help a lot by being a part of the patreon i've also got to let you know what i was only gonna say it let's see yeah that is it but yeah thank you guys thanks we're at 206 likes now amazing so thank you guys i love it i seriously i love it i love your support i love your guys's enthusiasm and believe me my dear friends we are going to find a way we will continue to grow as we're determined and if you have any doubts at all believe in me trust in me and i will lead the way as we are going to continue to fulfill the vision of providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field and we thank you guys for making it awesome so i love you guys thanks everybody for your support i'm excited to see you on friday that will probably be our next debate i'm excited for it and i'm looking forward to seeing you there so i hope you have a great rest of your weekend and looking forward to seeing you guys next time thanks everybody take care