 That's uh, yeah at six three Our first action will be to go into executive sessions So I'd be looking for a motion to to do that premature public knowledge regarding union contract negotiations But clearly placed the town at a substantial disadvantage that we enter executive session to discuss police union contract negotiations under the provisions of One vsa 313 a1 and invite police chief patrick foley police lieutenant josh more finance director surely good old Is there a second second Is there any discussion on the motion? If not all those in favor of the motion say aye Aye Any opposed and no attention. So we are an executive session Downstairs about 630. We went directly into executive session opposed agenda Which is the the next thing that we're looking at are the minutes of august 17th and We do have with jeff being here. We do have a quorum of the folks that were here at the last meeting So I'd need a motion to approve the minutes of august 17th So move subject to modification Is there a second? I'll second number five animal trapping policy kim royer With the rot fish. It should be efficient while that they filed fishy in wildlife not fishing game This also spelled two different ways for last name. Oh, I see that. Thank you. It should be ar Which it's roye er. I think I think isn't I will double check and make sure Whatever it is. It's gonna be great And page two I think it should be bar anticoat anticoat Which one? Oh, you oh bar anticoat second motion Yeah, I think you're right I couldn't figure out which one that was but you're right Hearing no other corrections then all those in favor of approving the minutes of august 17th 2021 say I I May oppose and two abstentions grab a hand and garden on then to public comment And it looks like there may be some folks in the audience who wish to make some public comment on issues tonight and we will also invite people on the remote Hook up to Comment if they wish to so if there's anyone who wishes to make public comment, please come up to the microphone and Introduce yourself You can unmask please so we can hear you Yes, no that does not that does not reject. That's only for the uh The taping of us I'm Ursula white and I'm here because I've been a member for for the itch since they're open And I'm very sad that it's closing down because I just wanted to say that the itch Is like more than an exercise place It is a meeting place for mainly a lot of seniors a lot of people come by bus Meet crutches and walkers and it's their social interaction And I think it would be really important that billyston would have a facility like that Because it's it's going to be hard to see that closed and also the pool is a A Big thing over there. They have all the swim teams. They are which now They have to go to as extension and as extension doesn't have a pool that is the right size for the swim team So I just wanted to say that I'm very sad and wish that billyston would have a community center a senior center a swimming pool That would be very helpful Good. Thank you. Thank you Anyone else wish to speak? Sure So I'm kim harding marci and I'm here representing sustainable wilson And I think if we took a vote Nobody's in favor of climate change progressing So we're all on the same team And we're very much looking forward to the discussion of the energy committee for the town next session That brings huge advantages to the town being represented at regional and statewide Discussions of moving forward and provides the town with all kinds of support and ideas I'm generally the kind of person who why reinvent the wheel if somebody else has already Figured out a great idea So the other thing we're really hoping you will place on an agenda item is the energy coordinator, which the town plan Calls for There's a lot of things to be hopeful about more and more people are joining the climate movement Um, more and more people understand the nature of the crisis Unfortunately due to the many tragedies this summer that are related to the climate crisis We actually have all the technology we need to solve this crisis right now So we are looking for expertise and focus and commitment to solve this and we believe an energy coordinator Would bring that kind of expertise and focus to the town The best antidote to despair is action This is the greatest moral challenge that human beings have faced in our entire history And we are calling on you guys to be a huge part of how we move forward and solve it. Thank you Thank you My name is Joan Stoddart and I am uh representing the Williston seniors And I don't know if you're aware of the fact that at the end of 2022 We no longer have a place to have a meeting um that area the owner of The uh masonic Hall and the the business across the street from there The owner is going to um raise that and he I don't know if that's going to be part of the new park and and apartments and and um Businesses that are going to go in that area behind um Over by walmart and extend out I think to root two Uh, I don't know if he considers that to be part of it But I know he's been considering putting in a hotel another hotel in Williston But we're going to need a place We need a meeting room and we need a small kitchen and You have what? A year and four months to decide where the Williston seniors can go We can't and we can't bring people in When we have um when we invite speakers to come it has to be a speaker that we can't pay So I want to know and the other members would like to know Exactly what the town is going to do to help support the Williston seniors You have a lot of seniors in this town Uh, I think it's the second highest in the state used to be the first But I think now it's the second highest in the state of seniors living in this area And what is the town going to do for us? They do an awful lot for the children in this town, but how much do they do for the seniors? It's just food for thought We have a year and four months And then we don't have a place So if Ursula brought up a community center, which I think is very good. It could be used by all ages kids as well as adults And it would be nice to have a swimming pool because like Ursula, I belong to the edge here in Williston And that's going out at the end of this month so I'd like you to put something on your agenda to see what can happen for us in the future Good. Thank you. Okay. Thank you Is there anyone on the remote to hook up to wish us to speak? Yep. I've got one person tarry Stephen I was just using the chat so Make sure you can hear me. Stephen. I'm gonna unmute you and you'll be able to speak just a moment here. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, yeah Okay, great. Thank you. I wanted to be there in person But I was not able to make it but I'm glad I was able to get to the to the online version My name is Stephen Joakini. Um I live here with my wife and my four-year-old son here in Williston Um, I work over near the edge and I wanted to talk about that a little bit I actually work at an engineering company on the other side of the parking lot from there and we use that place extensively and I I see the benefits of that place and It it just seems like a real tragedy that we're kind of losing that and I realize it's a private business It was a private sale and everything like that but it was It was very quick and it just kind of moved and took everybody really by surprise and Seeing this place not being there and the benefits that can come from this and just like um, the first lady said Ursula that you know It was a great opportunity for the seniors to be able to meet there to be able to go use the the therapy pool They had physical therapy there. It's also an outstanding field house in a tremendous amount of space There's a school there. There's there's two pools and this is a real tragedy that this is going to be converted into something industrial And from the rumors that I've heard and I'm not going to spread rumors, but it's going to be another FedEx or something like that And so for this facility to have gotten by without Anybody else's say in it is is very sad to me and I'm having a hard time coming to grips with it because You know, it's this is a place that gets long cold winters and when it really hits in You know in november-december people are going to realize it's difficult to go All the way to south burlington even though it's not that much further It makes that much of a difference and especially for older people or younger people with kids like us and Yeah, it's it's just not that easy to get around and I would like to Think that there's a possibility of having a Williston rec center But I wanted to mention that this was a little bit of a missed opportunity. I don't know if it was I don't know if missed opportunity is the word but It kind of got pulled out from underneath us You know, whereas if I had known that this place was going up for sale I probably would have jumped right up and said something and maybe got things talking sooner to see if we can Keep this instead of It you know just going to another industrial site And so I just wanted to make my My voice heard on this and see if there's anything that we can do either for a new place like this or I know that and that's really hard to come by and that's not going to be something that's going to be a quick and easy fix but something to pay attention to in the future where Locations like this that serve a purpose don't get you know repurposed into something completely different When there's plenty of franchise chains that could have You know jumped in on this or could have had the opportunity to jump on on this and keep everybody still involved And there's a lot of opportunity in that Building for what it offers that is just going to go away and it's a sad situation so anyone else on the remote to No, no one else or public commentary I've asked eric to briefly talk about the process of providing for a community center or some other kind of a facility for Citizens of willison sure thanks harry and thanks everyone who's listening at home Also, I received a number of emails and comments about this in the last week and it's it's it's always a Welcome and invigorating here of public participation and asking questions about government processes and needs of the community but As I was preparing just just kind of looking back at the town's history with adding new facilities the last 20 years the town's Built a new fire station police station and public works facility And the process with with each of those facilities some was was a multiple year endeavor And I will say this all starts in the town's capital planning effort for the future of our facilities and needs in town And we identified the possible community center in the most recent capital plan as something to explore further And as I was looking back our process the town has followed for any new facility would start with the needs assessment to understand What the needs are what the community is potentially looking for Then understanding what the costs are to go with that and with those there's some key questions of where could you locate such facility What amenities would be offered? What's the cost for that those amenities? And then understanding what's the ongoing operational cost besides the capital cost as an investment in a new facility like this comes with it An immediate investment in the operations of that facility So the the town has undergone An initial study on a community center back in 2007 which I started thumbing through today To get some perspective there So I believe what we'll be looking to do is continue this dialogue during the budgeting process as We look at the capital budget and think about whether we the town is Wanting to put some funds towards a study for a needs assessment and understanding what the next steps may be And and looking at this type of community investment But it's it's certainly something where I'll I'll look further to some some processes for the board to consider and think about But it's you know with with government processes and making a major decision like this It takes an amount of time and it takes community engagement and public participation And ultimately towns decision to invest in a facility for for its residents. So it's I would say um Stay tuned and certainly like hearing everyone's voices And I invite anyone to reach out to me as manager to have a question about processes like this Moving ahead, and I'll be happy to chat or try emails with folks Thank you So we um heard our public comments from folks both here and on the The setup and we'll move on then to the next item on the agenda and that is the with Executive director of CCRPC and charlie baker and lindy churchill churchill from that organization as well to talk about the I 89 interstate quarter study update and then following that The regional planning commission annual report Yeah, great. Uh, thank you very much. Um, so i'm gonna uh first give you uh As quickly as I can and can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Thank you charl I've got a presentation. I'm going to share with you. Um Around the 89 study And eric can you enable participant screen sharing? Yep. I think I just did that charlie give it a There we go. Got it Okay, uh, you can see that. Okay. Yes All right So i'm just going to give you a quick sense of overview where they are with vision and goals where we are What we looked at for in terms of interchanges And now where we are in terms of bundles and this tdm strategic model that we're using To help develop some of those bundles And I know wilson has not been very involved in this conversation. So i'm going to throw too much at you In the hopes that that will generate some questions So, um First, uh, the study area included the entirety of 89 with inch into county all 37 miles seven interchanges And here's uh, just a quick A graphic showing the the scope of work really for the consultant and us Um, we're now kind of looking at alternatives. Um, and you can see if you're going back, you know Task three was vision and goals task four was interchange evaluation And so now we're trying to put together packages of things that might work And this is a little bit more graphical view of that, uh, particularly as we looked at What to do around the interchanges we looked at a lot of different options We're also looking at things that can be done At either a quarter basis or a countywide basis in terms of different types of transportation programming And then we'll come up with some recommendations and a final report Um And you know, there's going to be different types of recommendations You know, some might be minor capital investments that Municipality or v-trans can follow through with pretty quickly. Some might be operational type things Like gmt transit service And other things might be major capital projects that will You know, particularly if we're talking about an interchange how to go through the federal meat book process And we require an environmental impact statement. So this is really just the beginning of what could be a much longer process Here are the six goals that we have. I'm not going to read these But the committees there's an advisory committee spent quite a bit of time on these And you'll note the note down at the bottom about uncertainty Yeah, so there's just uncertainty, you know, we don't know about the impacts of COVID in terms of people continuing to work from home Traffic volumes have been down a little bit Um, and even climate change, you know, there are a lot of things that can change. So we've kind of committed to monitoring What is going happening here and then trying to come up with triggers to implement different pieces Um, so the interchanges Um When we started talking and we had a meeting in your room there jason probably a year and a half ago Um, and some different interchange ideas came up You see on the left there the full list of eight that we took the took a look at including one in bolton A new one between exit 12 and 13 that was labeled 12 b And all the way up to milton We kind of spent some time with the public with the committees. We got that down to three Interchange options that looked like they had promise Because what really started this was issues around exit 14 It's a south burlington became a lot of the focus for the conversation So we were looking at something at 12 b at 13 and at 14 And I'll show you some of the concept plans So this is at exit 14 a diverging diamond similar to what is planned at exit 16 Um, where you kind of cross it kind of makes the left's free flow Um, it does reduce capacity here a little bit Um, but if the traffic, you know, if it's either down from people working at home Or can divert into other locations, maybe it can work It's definitely a friendlier design for pedestrians or bicyclists Although still a lot of traffic there Um When we look at exit 13 I looked at This idea of making it into a full interchange right now. It's obviously just a partial interchange That takes you on 189 over to route seven This idea and I'm there's a lot of detail in this design. I'm not going to delve into Um, but it's called a single point diamond interchange. So all the movements come to one traffic light Um, and would provide full movements So you could go down kennedy and go northbound on 89 for instance, which you can't do now And also one of the ideas was here is that we could get rid of the the southerly barrel of 189 And make 189 into more, uh, an arterial type road, maybe similar to kennedy drive going all the way to route seven Again trying to make it friendlier for pedestrians and bicyclists Um, this is just a zoom in of that And then uh exit 12b getting a little closer to wiliston Um, you may be aware tilly drive is real close to uh, this is where hindsburg road crosses i89 Tilly drive. There's a lot of medical offices there right now In order to make the interchange movements work We kind of have to route the traffic through tilly drive and a traffic light there For the northbound traffic and southbound would have you know, both a slip ramp and a little u ramp So that is the idea behind, uh, the exit 12b And we kind of evaluated this is just to let you know that we evaluated These designs and ideas against the goals and then came up with metrics attached to each goal Not going to review these in detail, but just to let give you a sense of the process I think we had 20 something different metrics that we looked at And we looked at them in a little bit separated 14 is accomplishing different things than doing 12b or 13 Both 12b and 13 or either 12b or 13 Definitely divert some traffic away from exit 14, which was helpful up at that interchange Um, and so Here's just a little bit and i'll send this presentation to eric Eric just so you can have it and post it wherever it was most appropriate for the town Um, but here's some strengths and weaknesses of 12b and the 13 options And we did a little bit of the similar thing at 14. We're looking at a clover leaf or the Divergent diamond interchange Um ended up recommending the divergent diamond Um And this the committee met I think is at the end of june This is where we kind of ended up. This is where we are right now We're looking at basically five alternatives five bundles if you will the first one being no bill the second one is Um, how much can we accomplish without making a very expensive costly investment in the interstate infrastructure We termed it bundle two. It's more about transportation demand management bicycling pedestrian transit oriented type of alternative there And then the other bundles kind of build on that With bundle three has the exit 14 improvement X bundle four has the exit 14 improvement plus the exit 13 improvement and bundle five has the exit 14 improvement plus 12b And so and we're still also need to kind of look at do we need a third lane On i89 particularly going north of exit 14 So we'll take a look at that and As we dig deeper. We're kind of at the process right now digging deeper into that bundle two idea Here's just kind of a list of ideas, you know transit bike pad Park and ride intelligent transportation systems are using technology People working from home land use changes And we have a tdm focus group that is working on that With a consultant team right now, which is led by rsg And they're we're using a tool called a strategic model I've kind of labeled here a tdm strategic model. So we're going to get some recommendations or sense of how well some of these Investments or policy changes could impact traffic in this area And so that is where we are right now is really focused on this tdm work And we'll we're hoping to wrap that up over the next couple months And we'll do another round of stakeholder, you know public engagement this fall winter And so let us know if you'd like to come back. I think one of the questions I'm not sure if this is exactly how we got on the agenda Was, you know, does willison want to weigh into this conversation a little bit more directly We've been having a lot of conversation with south burlington Their city council voted three to two to support 12b over exit 13 But there was a lot of It was a lot of opinions on both sides of the conversation And so that's we know we need to do some more work on that It's certainly welcome to town of wilson weighing into this conversation 12b in particular does have some potential for reducing traffic at exit 12 Which may be an interesting conversation You know, maybe not as big of an improvement would need to be made at exit 12 As part of the circle alternatives that we came up with you with a number of years ago If we were to do 12b But that's it's not really on the drawing board at this point. We're still in the planning stage. So And I do want to recommend to anyone watching this or any of the select board members. There's a website here Invision89.com Whoop, sorry. I was going to try to highlight that but instead I clicked and I lost it. There we go. Invision89 is the website. So that was a really quick i89 Introduction and let me know if that sparks any questions or a conversation for you Any questions for charlie regarding this looks like this is going to be A big project and for us to understand it probably we need to have access to The presentation online. I think eric Yeah, you know, I'll certainly share that with the select board Are there any questions for charlie on this? I'll just quickly charlie jeff eric. Um, my question has to do it's mostly looking down the road and Realizing i89 is a federal highway. What is what will what do you envision the ask will be to the municipalities? To help fund whatever comes out of out of this in terms of a construction project Does that yeah Yeah, it is an interstate highway the federal government federal highway certainly has an interest in making sure that that highway still functions well They asked for the municipalities in terms of cost share At this point if it's an improvement to the interstate it's going to be a state project So that would be a state local match And you know federal predominant Would we fund most of it? If if there are some local road improvements or like a bike path or something like that You know that might be the type of project where there would be more local involvement um But even yeah, i'm curious question Like the park and ride lot in williston. I'm assuming the town is not having to contribute to that But I don't know that for sure I would also point out there is no parking ride Sorry, I'm always looking at the future. I know what's coming But but I don't I believe that's a totally, you know, state federal cost share project and you know, I think larger Investments like that would be at that level You know, and I think we're I should also mention that we are You know very aware of the issues going on with climate change And we uh, and even what the state's trying to accomplish With the climate council and the comprehensive energy plan so A lot of our focus on this transportation demand management stage Is to make sure that we are consistent with the state's energy goals and frankly our regional and municipal energy goals as well Okay, thank you any other questions for charlie before we move on to the report And just charlie. It's not really a question as much as a comment. I i'm gonna need I would like a lot more information about this entire project It's kind of taken me by surprise here tonight. I guess maybe it shouldn't have but it did You know Even just going back to the history of it and it's nothing I want to get into tonight But I mean I saw the when it flashed up on the screen I put my glasses on and then they started fogging because we're in masks, but I think I saw that there was even a possibility that bolton was going to be looking at getting an exit Yeah, so we we looked at Eight interchanges and kind of narrowed it down to three to focus on. Yeah So, uh, you know, I think there is some level of interest in bolton or milton In an interchange. It's not something that we're moving forward With right now at the regional planning commission level as it doesn't really address the the issue and the need That's kind of started this study around exit 14. Yeah, I understand But you know, just it does flash back to you know, I'm a native and I know that Bolton has been looking for an exit for a very long time They they're always a bridesmaid And never a bride on that one But I want to get a lot more into I want to learn a lot more about this entire Project And I said that to ask or you know, how far along are you? I see that it narrowed down to three three exits in south burlington Um, is that okay now we're all gonna we're gonna focus on that or is that it's been decided? Would it be crazy to come in at this hour and say wait a minute? Could somebody present this entire thing to us again? Um, happy to um, you know kind of make sure you have a full understanding of what we've done You know, there's a lot of analysis and data behind all this and I uh, you know did not take the time to share with you tonight So happy to dig deeper into it. Uh, so you have a better understanding of the process And you know any input is oh, you know always welcome some some we could do more with and some uh, you know We may not be able to but um, you know, so happy to dig deeper anytime and in whatever form makes sense, you know Even you know, whether it's at the slack board or even if it was a little bit, you know A separate conversation and invite whoever makes sense to come to okay. All right. Thank you Absolutely Good. Thank you, charlie. So Continue on now with the uh the annual report Yeah, let me uh Let's see if I can just real quickly switch now. Did that work? Are you Looking at a blank screen Well, look at you right now I don't want your screen share charlie when you were doing questions. So you'll have to Thank you easily done There you go. All right. All right. There we are. Um, so uh, yeah, thank you for that and In respect to the last conversation I I knew uh, we were throwing a lot out here tonight So happy to have a follow-up as needed. Um, this is our kind of traditional annual report To you that we touch base every fall This is kind of a customer service check-in from my view Um, you know, we do a lot of work with each of our towns. Um, so the first I'm hoping you got this in your packet. The first page is kind of background on the rpc You know, both a regional planning commission and a metropolitan planning organization Under federal law. We have a 29 member board Um, and you know, we use your municipal dues to leverage federal and state funds About a 10 to 1 investment on local or return on local investment and eric. I apologize to you that Your representation of willison is not reflected on this first page This past fiscal year. No offense to charlie We didn't we didn't forget about you But but thank you to your representatives like you all of your representatives have been very active participants in our processes The second page goes into some specific projects. We worked on with the town Around energy planning versus the management brownfields. I'm not going to read every single one of these The phosphorus control plan is something You're more significant The multi-use path Your official map the form based code study that's going on in task horrors now Um, which is it's really probably one of the largest projects we're working on this fiscal year and last Um, and then a couple different road projects north wilson road mountain view wilson 2a Happy to get any feedback on any of these projects. Um Good or bad But uh, I know uh, I think our staff has you know, enjoyed working with your staff on these things I'm going to take that as no feedback at the moment Hang on a second charlie jeff here again. Um, I'm on page Page four and I'm Live comment about the wilson park and ride first of all Um, I apologize for not being prepared for tonight's meeting. I was unable to so I this the first I've been able to look at this And I didn't realize that construction For the park and ride is scheduled to begin in 2022 Um, I I hope that is correct. Um, I just want to point out. I've been on the select board for Anybody know how long And I think a park and ride in wilson has been an issue since I was on the first day I was on the select board So it will be a major milestone If that can be completed Agreed So I guess I've committed you to another term. You can't leave until it's done. It may be a like a two-year project Disagree with that Yeah, and so, uh, thank you jeff As he noted on page four the bottom of page four We started to get into the projects that you have in our transportation improvement program Which are also in the state's capital program and So we've tried to put show you kind of how much In terms of dollar investments and also As best we know about timing for those right now. Some of them are under construction now Some of them start next year or some the year after and then there's a number of them Going on to page five that we don't have a project schedule for particularly around exit 12 improvements Uh, which were identified back in the CERC alternative, uh process Yeah, maybe I should pause after those projects You know, I'm I'm not the project manager for any of those but uh, you know, if there was a specific question or something happy to get back to you if not, then I will um Move on um in f y 22. So this is kind of in our current fiscal year now We have one project in addition to those that have continued from last year That we are working with you on at us too and Talcott road and cottonwood um, and then the last couple pages are A number of activities that we engaged in in the last year without regard to one specific municipality Um Our regional plan echoes plan implementation. We do a legislative forum every december. We expect to do that again this december More work on public engagement and racial equity We've engaged with an equity consultant to help us figure out how to get better in that regard The building homes together campaign Focus on more housing and more affordable housing in chinton county Some public health work again emergency management energy planning And one thing I just I did hear the public comment about Energy planning the state legislature. This doesn't appear on the report. So this is kind of Additional information for you, but in f y 22 the state legislature has funded regional planning commissions To be able to hire an energy project manager Um, and so, uh, we just hired ann janda. She just started today was her first day and so We'll have some more conversation With wilson and other towns as to how we can put that resource to best effect for you all And uh, I think I'll leave my report at that. I know you have a lot on your agenda tonight But any questions on our report? Thank you turn early questions from the board What was the name of the person who's the energy uh person that you just hired? Yeah, her name is ann janda And last thing janda j a n d a She uh had done previous work for uh the town of s6 Hinesburg shelburn She was I think director of administration at shelburn and milton so So you bring pretty good familiarity with municipal processes, but And also has done some energy work. So very she's very excited to get started on it. Yeah Thank you And charlie, did you describe her as a energy project planner? um Project manager actually integer. Okay. Yeah, and so the legislature really invested in us to Higher position to really help municipalities implement projects that are in your energy plans So, um, you know, but it is with the caveat it is one person So they they can't work miracles, but um, you know, I think we're kind of hoping uh that She can help work with your energy committee and and As they come up with priorities help move some of them forward and there may be some that are A multi-town type efforts also, right? There's a lot of similarity in different towns energy plans Okay, good. Thanks. Any other questions? Um, terry our uh, andy watz our new representative would um, he's asked if he could make a brief comment. Okay. Yeah, that's great Yeah, andy. I'm just gonna connect you right now. I'll I'll make you apart. Um, a panelist so you can share your your camera Good evening, everyone. I just wanted to thank charlie. Uh, I wanted to let the board know that Next week will be my first attendance As the representative for the town of wilson. I've been trying to do my homework Learning all of these things I've met with charlie and uh found his presentation tonight to be very informative I look forward to serving the town and uh, just wanted to let everyone know that I'm getting ready and I'm excited about the opportunity Thank you, andy. Appreciate the you're doing this for us Thank you. It's a pleasure. Thank you all very much. Appreciate it Thank you charlie. I look forward to hearing more From you in the next couple of months or so on the uh, the highway projects Yeah, very good. Look forward to that. Thank you. Good. Thanks. Thanks charlie Then we'll move on then to the water main extension policy proposal And uh, eric here to lead this off and if we have questions bruce Bruce horror is here from public works as well. Yep Oh, thanks terry This came up as we have a request for a water main extension coming up from cswd this fall And as I dug into kind of the governance process the towns looked at previous iterations First of all, this doesn't come up too often bruce and I chatted about this and it's maybe come up Maybe once or so since he's been here So this is something as I looked at this and spoke with our with our attorney that our water use ordinance outlines the standards for accepting new water infrastructure in town And in these circumstances where you have a request to extend an existing main The best practice is to have a policy established to set standards to meet for the request to be granted In these circumstances the select board would serve as the water commissioners to consider such requests Um, so I said these tend to be intermittent and we're not talking about new development just extending existing infrastructure Um, what we've done is include a draft policy that's been reviewed by the town attorney um This establishes Direction for these benchmarks uh to be met for the board to then consider action on accepting a request Um for this evening. I'm asking for the board's feedback on this. It's you know, I'd say in terms of policy It's not um, not extensive, but it's that some minimal standards that staff would address for the board to consider In the similar vein to our winter maintenance sidewalk policy where there's some staff recommendation and some standards that are look to be met This is our draft of it should the board um want to consider establishing this policy We can put this back on the agenda for possible action and look for any feedback the board has tonight on this uh This process question and draft before you Questions from the board regarding policy Sorry, again. I'm a little behind the eight ball on this. Um Hey Bruce first question would be is um Who who would who would we who would we anticipate you mentioned Champlain water district Who else might be an applicant for a water main extension? It would be um, this particular request the salt waste district. Um But you know, I might turn the burst for that, uh, you know, we these are pretty intermittent intermittent, but burst could you think of any That would be an example Not you Bruce Not me you Um I mean it could be You know any place north of the interstate that we don't necessarily have water going to now. Um Okay, you know, I mean I just throw out one of them I've I've been asked more than once about extending it up old stage road Okay, the extension it goes a partial way up there, but not very far because we run out of pressure That's the issue the same way with the ledge wood development It would be another example, but You know for them to have water up there. You're talking about a pump station and everything else So those are the kind of places that could Ask for something like that So let me go back and I'm sorry and I don't mean to dominate and if I am or my questions are getting too Weird feel free to stop. Do we have a water district in town in area? That's designated to be served by public by municipal water. We've always we've always Done it de facto one for lack of a better term. We've used we've used a sewer service area Basically as the water service area. Okay, if you look if you look at the map Excuse me. It follows it pretty well. Okay The example okill up to um thomas jitten health center Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's a little out, but that one now is thomas jitten health centers on sewer though as well. So um North or south of the interstate hurricane lane Okay, you know as far as Is winds and what we're using. Yeah Those are basically the outliers goes all the way down to wilson woods Um, oh, they're on they're on municipal water. Okay. They are. Yeah There's a system interior is basically considered a price there's I mean we own everything but it's Something happens. They have to take care of it, but okay I this I realize this is To some this is going to sound like a dumb question, but to others who who maybe just don't know We don't have any issues with unlike sewer where we have limited capacity available to us That is not true with water Champlain water district could supply us with how probably however much water We need Well, yes, and no, I mean you're right. I mean the champlain water district gets the water from like champlain So there's plenty of water a matter of converting it to drinking water and then as far as for the town of wilson They would come down to the storage For for fire protection. All right. Uh, we're in good shape because we just added The new tank or double the size of that tank to be a tower main tank moved it up to right the new one Mountain view, right? So we're in good shape that way for for the foreseeable future Okay, and the extension of this policy would cover municipally owned water mains for instance like a I'm sorry chin and salt waste district There's the potential that that water main could be privately I would I would say initially we should make it Where it leaves the terminus where it is now to go down to global foundries. That's where it ends now I would say that initially if it's going to serve just Chittin and solid waste district that that line is theirs Okay In the state's eyes, it's going to be ours Because they're not going to give that a permit to have a water system It's the same now as when we go into private developments Jeff We always give them a letter that says this is part of that wilson's System, but you're responsible for all the lines and he breaks those kind of things will be on the homeowner's association Only in private totally private developments Yeah, so that's an agreement right up front. So I would say for this one We would I would say we do the same thing that they own that line Through that kind of agreement once again the state the permit's going to the extension is going to be to the town of wilson Underneath our permit to operate. Okay, but we would make that side agreement for lack of a better term that says, okay We're going to do this. Well Unless somebody else comes and starts having to connect on They own everything though out there Is that okay, so So this would apply to these quote-unquote I'm going to call them private extensions Such as the one that might happen with chin and sol ways district. Okay Okay, I think I think that's it anything else we should know No They're ready to come in with their request Yeah, that um look to have them potentially come in the next month or so and as we looked at this and Being too fairly new the manager's role. I said, okay. What do we do when we can request like this? What's our process? and This really by establishing a policy like this it makes us in the town and the water commissioners are not acting Without a standard benchmark to to approve an extension But if you have an extension and you approve it, you've got something to fall back on that This section three that it's in the public good necessity and convenience It doesn't present harm or danger to existing water supply system from a capacitor distribution perspective and The request is not harm system reliability and water quality Which I'd ask the public works department the director to provide a memo and analysis on those points for the board to To consider and weighing any of those requests for this policy draft. Okay The only reason it's all waste district once this water is for their Compost yes, right system because they put a pond in but they thought they'd get enough water into Excuse me and they do not they've been buying water from us trucking it from the hydrant I mean just total aside it surprises me that a well doesn't make more sense for them But I guess that's their decision. They have a great well On the other side of the road That feeds their office and the one house there that they own But I don't I guess they don't think they can get enough water out of that Okay, yeah, I mean they're a decision. Um, yeah, they're money Yeah, it's gonna be quick, you know, oh, yeah, I think sense expensive night. Um The only questions I had were more technical. I mean first of all, I did want to say it seemed I get why we're doing this and I know a lot of our policies are, you know, the town of williston Is hereby in favor of good government and against bad government This public good necessity and convenience. I don't know that we need a policy To say this elect board should consider some things in the public good or not It's not like we say here and go, whoa, wait a minute public good I'm glad that was written down But but that being said, I do I would some of the wording on this And I don't want to be too anal retentive lawyer about this, but I guess I'm gonna be anyway Is that when it says shall find the following criteria are met? I should think it'd be better said Shall consider the following criteria Because if you say shall find they are met then that's all three criteria have to be met and Each thing within a public good necessity and convenience The other thing is necessity You know a modifier on this might be good, you know reasonable necessity because otherwise, you know, you could argue something isn't really necessary. I mean that Solid waste district getting water so they can Make their product may maybe argue it could be argued that that's not really necessary for for the town Um, on the other hand, it's it is a You know, it is a public good that they are doing what they're doing and we want to support them So if there's reasonable reasonably necessary, I guess that might be good But I mean that that kind of thing I think um, I'd recommend that changes those kind of changes be made To make to free it up a little bit So if you could make those changes and pass it by Ted before we look at this again Just to make sure that It looks fine to him Uh Question that I don't know the answer to but a cswd is going to buy or extended line And they're going to purchase water then from the town Do they actually do they pay then a sewer fee too? Even though they don't have they're done. I saw no we have We have quite a few users that either pay water or sewer. Okay, not everybody pays both All right, anything else before we move on to the next issue on this one. Okay. Good. Thank you Moving on then to muddybrook culvert replacement project And there I think you're going to start off with this and then move to Bruce and Shirley. Yep I'll give a brief introduction. I've asked Bruce and Shirley to Explain us a little more detail. So I'm sure as everyone's aware our muddy along a way to muddybrook culvert replacement project Is is well underway at this point This is a reminder. It's a shared project for the city of South Burlington as we're splitting the cost I've asked Bruce to provide just a general update on how the project's going Just to kick off this item and the board may recall we We updated you last spring when the bids came in that they were above the engineers estimates and many parts due to the Construction market right now and we're coming back for the board to consider how we're going to pay for the shortfall from our Bonded amount and we can get into the numbers a little bit further here But the staff has identified a couple possible options to meet that shortfall For the board's feedback on those options this evening and this game come back on our future agenda to consider action And we sort of look for board feedback and any additional information to help you make a decision So I'll turn it over to Bruce and then I've asked Shirley to walk through the potential options here so The project started on on time However At this point It's estimated. They're about two weeks behind And the reason for that is a little company called AT&T Gave us quite a problem with moving one of their with moving their cable out of the way Actually had to go out of our way to accommodate them which was the building of a special bridge To protect their cable Over muddy brook Because they came out with a moratorium that said that they would not do anything during the olympics So That had to happen We did get a commitment from AT&T that said that they will be responsible for any delays and cost associated with that Cable and that bridge being put up and those are going to be substantial Of course, you know It's like all projects of this size. We won't know what that is until the end when we start fighting about money But we have it pretty well documented that they are the ones that said that money wasn't an issue So anyway, uh they're According to uh Our representative that who's out there he figures are about two weeks behind Uh, they're working saturdays now and uh Probably for the next two or three saturdays And then after that they'll probably go to longer workdays to try to get caught back up The project is supposed to be finished by november 19th Excuse me But because of a two-week delay We're talking late november early december And it may end up with just a base course asphalt put down with the top course being put on in the spring Which will further the cost About delay that'll go back to AT&T So they are they are moving along they're working really well. We've had very few complaints We actually haven't had any complaints from the traveling public. I got my first one today from one of the neighbors One of the two neighbors that lives out there and uh when I went over there She was absolutely right. Uh, they're driving piles And the piles are steel i-beams And the machine that does that he would uh Probably be pretty disgusted if you stood there and watched it the amount of smoke that comes out of it while it's driving Those piles was pretty bad The good news is they should be done doing that this week She was complaining about the smoke and you know if I'd have known this And she wasn't wrong, but I even told her you know in 20 some years I've never had this kind of complaint before In the minute I walked into the project and saw I was like, yeah, okay, I get it So it only it it only affects them obviously when the wind's blowing in that direction There's just really not much we can do about it. It's got to happen So anyway, the project's been going along really well. The contractor's been working Pretty diligently And so you mentioned the AT&T has taken care of the cost overruns. So are we just looking To make sure we have the money there in case they don't No, we're making sure we have money there for things that aren't associated with that cost overrun theory Okay project of you know 2.7 million almost 3 million dollars We'd like to say that we don't ever get it wrong, but obviously there will be change orders That go along. So that's what this is about But you're not necessarily wrong the contractors between between South Burlington Williston and CCS the contractor So that's where we may get caught in some of that money buying for a little while till we get AT&T to Once again, they've been pretty good about it Their local person was the one that was digging her heels in Saying that they weren't going to move this cable blah blah blah Mary and I talked to genie lions genie lions put us on track with some of the Other people in the state to talk to It went up the chain and AT&T the AT&T director for New England Hadn't heard anything about it So then some compromises were made so that we could at least get the project started But we do have emails and phone conversations Do you have a tape zoom where they're saying they'll be responsible for overruns? That can be directly related to their Not moving your cable Other questions before we move on to Shirley and the finance So Is that the only primary reason for the delay like balance together or are there other things that have come up? No, that was the only one there was one other And I know I'll say the name because I'm going to get it wrong It was another telecommunications That had to move the cable, but it wasn't anything we had to make special provisions for The AT&T cable literally went used to hang on the bridge the temporary bridge that we put in They disconnected from the bridge that was one of the things that had to happen so we could take the bridge out But then it hung in the same location where the bridge was Obviously where they were trying to do the project that so that's where it caused the delays All right, that's really Okay So as Bruce started with we we do have a shortfall on the project that we knew about once we got updated estimates from the contractor and when it went out to bed so we knew we were going to have a shortfall um, so right now the shortfall is 200 plus like 32 000 and then um Bruce is suggesting that because you typically will have other change orders that we look at maybe 400 000 as the top I guess it's going to be what it's going to be right Bruce but um, so in terms of funding that cost overrun we have two options One is just looking at the general fund balance for that um, and we have plenty of room as the memo says we have plenty of room in the General fund even, you know, my best estimate of what June 30 looks like and looking at this the ceiling we still will have, you know, our within our calculations of the Unrestricted general fund will be beyond our 20 percent cap Or max I should say so the general fund even with the other things that we talked about coming out of the general fund for the other approach and Eric reached out to our attorney to make sure that we could actually use the storm water fund To fund the overage because this is considered a cold urban that's within our ordinance Is to use the storm water fund? So um for For I guess I'm going to say this way for whatever amount that we can So even though the storm water fund Has a general fund balance or you know estimated general fund unrestricted balance from million one It doesn't have that hash because it's tied up in other assets So um, and we don't want to bring that Operating cash in the storm water fund too low because it needs to pay for its daily operating expenses as well so Bruce and I chatted and We thought like the best recommendation was to have the storm water fund cover what it could have the shortfall and then Keeping our cash balance the cash at a balance We were comfortable one and then fund from the general fund if we needed to But it will be looking at, you know, the total cost of the project and And the storm water fund at the same time so questions for Shirley regarding finances and No action is necessary tonight, but we're like they're looking for feedback on The proposals and any other information that's needed So I could I mean, you know 400,000 sounds like a lot of money, but it's really We're only really asking for 170,000 over For change orders that can occur and certainly You know keeping fingers crossed Would not expect the 170,000 dollars worth of change orders by anything We've gotten two change orders The first one was no money a no money change order change order two You know it's a monetary one four thousand five hundred dollars, but that's split between us and South Burlington So 25 26 hundred dollars to us There's a third one coming out. I don't know what the dollar amount is on that Right now You know, so Let's just hope they're all nice cheap ones like you know for like I mean, I don't want to sound flip about money, but $4,000 on two two million dollar three million dollar project is So anyway, the real ask is you know, it says 400,000 It's the you know, it's we're looking at in case there's some other large change orders that happen So looking onto the whole scope with our project you like you don't have a crystal ball either I know but do you see anything on the horizon that could be a potential No, not really because They're already they're driving the steel Piles right now Did not come in any any rejection as of yet I mean I could see that being probably a place where we could see some real money If something were to happen with that said 24 more to drop the drive And they think they're gonna be done with that by the end of the week So that'd be a good hurdle to get down. Yeah, I mean after that You know on the geo on the geo work has been done It was a lot of preliminary work done on this because of the failure of the culvert the temporary bridge put in we did a lot of that Kind of work up front there So there shouldn't be any big surprises and once again, you know I I can't believe Yeah One never know, right? Yeah, it's like my another select board asked me one time I promise some of you guys have probably heard this already at the beginning of March You know how much money you have left in your salt budget. I gave them a number and by the end of that month We were $40,000 the other way So the 231,686 that you feel comfortable Is available and can be used from the storm water fund balance right now Okay So You mentioned change orders Is did the issue with AT&T result in or will it result in a change order? Oh, definitely. Okay, but it won't be a change order to us That's going to be just to keep records straight more than anything It's any any monetary expense that's can be attributed to the AT&T cost Should be handled between AT&T and the contractor. Okay, so but the contractor again once remember once again This contract is not with AT&T. It's with us. Right. Right. That's where we could get sucked into it for lack of a better term. Okay Um The question. Oh, would you remind me? How how is the culvert being replaced or maybe maybe a better way to ask that is what is the culvert being replaced with Recast arch concrete arch Open bottom. Yeah, and and thus gets into my I may have a a philosophical Question about whether the storm water fund is the appropriate fund because if it's to replace a culvert Isn't that replacing a culvert with a culvert? And that's not really what we're doing here. I mean, I realize it's similar The stream would never swell if it were for storm water, Jeff It was a storm event that took out the existing culvert And the storm water utility didn't pay for that culvert. Yeah The question I have and I guess it's somewhat of a philosophical one is the culvert construction Is that what we're doing? Are we building a culvert in this case? I guess you could call it whatever it means. No, we're not we're not putting a pipe back in the ground if that's what you're asking yeah, and and And so I and maybe that's a question for the attorney. I mean he said yes, it is Close enough. I guess I'm questioning it because Um, if we're putting in another galvanized metal culvert, I could kind of see I could see it You won't do that while I'm here, Jeff. What's that? You won't do that while I'm here I mean for good reason But does that then mean mean that this is culvert construction? Maybe yes, maybe no And I get it but let's say it is it can be considered culvert construction and we you know, I don't know if it's a legal interpretation We need for that Then the concept is is it was a storm event The culvert was undersized to handle the storm events that it needs to handle And thus it falls similar to any other culvert replacement not any other But other culvert replacements where we're increasing the size of the culvert Because we know they need to handle additional flow higher volumes of flow Higher flow. Um, this would fall under that same category Did you and I know you do all your readings, but the second paragraph Option two Yeah, they in the second sentence Um Actually get ended on this the third four sentences, but the keep what the catch-all provision could also be relied upon Yeah, I'm just quite, you know, I want to make sure we're on firm ground. Um I don't think of this project as necessarily a stormwater project I think it you know, it's essentially a bridge that failed and we need to replace it. That's how I think of this um To me, it's not a stormwater project and I think we're we're We're stretching a little bit to say it is a stormwater project And we might be able to find justification in our whatever our rules or ordinance, whatever to do that I've always thought of this as more we got to keep the road open We got to replace this this this essentially a bridge. Yes, it was technically a culvert, but it's essentially a bridge but aren't aren't streams and Brooks or whatever else you want to call can stormwater conveyances Sure, I mean, I think how could it not be stormwater related Okay, um, that's a conveyance to carry stormwater that conveyance that system and as part of the Stormwater system that needs to be taken care of so thus should any time we need to replace a bridge Should we be able to tap into the stormwater fund to do that? You might be able to make an argument for that Yeah, so jeff is your is your question really marveling are we are we replacing apples to apples? Yes, that's what i'm hearing it. I'm just asking yeah, and to me I think well, i'm sorry give the stop to me. It's I've always thought of this as first we bonded we thought we bonded enough we asked the voters turns out we didn't which is not uncommon Um, so now we're groping with what's the best place to fund it? And I've just never thought of this project as a stormwater project You know, I think of it more of a town infrastructure project So there's to me a different source of money we should look to go to To make up that shortfall for an infrastructure I think of this more as if we were rebuilding a road and we bonded for and we had a shortfall I just I just looked up culvert definitions and types and One definition a tunnel carrying a stream or open drain under a road or a railroad Types of culverts pipe culvert box culvert and I heard bruce say arch culvert are common types So I can see I certainly see yeah your point, but I also can see where this would fall With that definition as well. So yeah, you bring up a good point. I'm just trying to look at both sides I think the simplest way to put it if if the only recommendation was to use the general fund I'd feel comfortable with that It's the stormwater piece that i'm just a little queasy over Particularly since you know, I know our our stormwater fund is not always that You know as robust and there was lots of Controversy over stormwater issues, particularly when it came to you know, homeowners associations having to upgrade their systems So I just want to be careful. I guess yes, maybe and it I guess I would I would look at it almost like when you talk about being infrastructure If you look at the wilson road industrial lab intersection that's being done right now, right Water line was moved as part of that project Some of that was paid for by the state because it was on our road. So they have to pay to move it Stuff that was underneath wilson road that got moved We looked at the life cycle cost of that water line And took money from both the water fund and from traffic impact fees to pay for that project As far as moving the water line was concerned So that was infrastructure that was under a road That was totally separate. I mean water has nothing to do, you know water and a pipe has nothing to do with the road But yet it was infrastructure that ended up having to be moved. So The cost was split between more than one fun Yeah, and I get this it's not that there's a split per se It's what one piece of that split is that is Causing me consternation Why why is there uh, why this town? Why does the staff have an opinion as to option one or option two anyway? I think if we Certainly not staff's position to on this. So yeah, I know but I thought in the memo I said staff's recommendation is option two should the select board wish to use storm water fund to address at least a portion that if Should the select board wish to use storm water funds? Otherwise. Yeah, that's what those are trying to convey there But does it does it make a difference to the town's finances if we Go into the general fund balance, which would still be within the policy of the general fund balance if we took that much money out Yeah, there's certainly room in the general funds. Um, okay So if we did that Jeff's Jeff's emphasis on definitional Things would be satisfied and no harm would be done and the pillars of the town would remain sturdy Yeah, these that staff looked at these are both options within your purview to the side The question of which which direction the board wants to take from from which pool of money or combination thereof Could you pose the question then to the attorneys the that jeff is asking and how was south burlington paying for this? storm water fund they are They might they might have a different policy they might have a different policy for their storm water fund. Yeah They might have defined culvert in their policy and and specifically identified muddy brook culvert Actually kind of a bit of a joke Yeah, any other questions we need to have resolved before we are to that after tonight Yeah, thank you All right. Thank you both very much. We'll move on to the Vlct annual meeting voting delegate as you have read The vlct is having their annual meeting later on this month and we always Have to have a well we we should have a voting delegate The recommendation is that we Continue what we've done in the past and have the town manager as our our delegate. So there is a motion proposed I'll move to appoint town manager eric wells as willisons voting delegate for the vermont league of cities and towns annual meeting Mr. Second There's very discussion on the motion Then eric, it just doesn't answer one one critical question. Are you happy doing this? Yes, I serve on the passive board of directors Pretty, that's right. Casualy an insurance fund. So I'll be I'll be attending and happy to represent the town. Okay Thank you All those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed and no abstentions. Yeah, thank you eric So our union collect the bargain agreement to eric a brief discussion Yep, as um I've shared with the board staffs reached a tentative agreement on the new contract with the fire union that would be retroactive to this past july 1st Um, the union membership did ratify this tentative agreement last friday. So I'd ask the board Would like to consider approving this new agreement this evening and authorizing the manager to execute on the town's behalf There was a motion proposed I'll move to approve a collective bargaining agreement between the town and the willis in professional firefighters Iaff local 4611 effective july 1st 2021 and authorize the town manager to sign the agreement on the town's behalf That's your second Sorry discussion in the motion If not all those in favor of the motion say aye Aye. Aye. Any opposed and no abstentions Moving on to the volunteer appointment we heard uh, our last meeting from the two candidates for the Cattlemouth Kimmery forest committee Uh, read parker and david seladino David seladino made a comment to us when he was here that he thought that everything was equal among the two candidates that he and it's a toss-up he would accept other positions in town he already has one and on the DRB and would support the other candidates so other thoughts yeah that's what I remember that as well and when he said that I thought that's good because it is possible to jump all both equally qualified and enthusiastic given that David said he would defer in that circumstance my thought was I was going to promote the candidacy of Reed Parker tonight other thoughts I did have a chance to watch the the interviews and and that was one of the very first things actually David Saladino said and that did strike me as well and so I would also support Reed Parker did oh for me chair would entertain the motion I would I'd move to a point Reed Parker to the Catamount Community Forest Management Committee for an unexpired two-year term through June 30 2023 is there a second a second discussion on just I plan to abstain because I'm on that committee and feel awkward yes that's why we're doing that thank you if there's no other further discussion then all those in favor of the motion say aye and one extension Jeff leaves us to the manager's report few things I'll highlight from my written report this evening some personnel news announce our assistant road forum positions been filled by Rick Wixen he's a 16th year of employment with the town he's been valued employee and I want to congratulate him on his recent promotion to step into that role we have some remaining openings in the highway departments and one in the water sewer division as well which we are hopeful to be able to fill here in the coming soon as possible with with winter on the horizon here so we're we're looking to fill those roles here moving forward we also hired a new use services librarian Bonnie Lord she'll begin work in early October for us here we've had a we have been opening on the DRB Steve Lambert has resigned and Cindy Thurston is stepping down from a role as health officer at the end of this year certainly will do it again but Cindy I worked with Cindy well she was an assistant clerk and she's she's served the town very well in that health officer role which is a very challenging role to fill so we certainly would look for anyone interested in stepping up I don't want to dissuade anyone from filling that role is very important but you know we'd I know we spoke with Terry as the deputy health officer and he'll help out in the interim but similar for for some good applicants out there we I included in your packet our local option tax reports for the end of last fiscal year the positive to take away with all the uncertainty we started with at the beginning of the fiscal year as we ended with being over what we budgeted for local option tax receipts of just over $281,000 as I looked at the data this is really driven by our sales tax receipts and as we've shared with the board throughout the year our rooms and meals were particularly lower last year they're starting to take a rebound towards the end of the year but we'll continue to watch that analyze that as we project for FY 23 revenues as we get ready for the budget process moving ahead it's not my report but we've started the budget process at the staff level surely sent out capital budgets planning sheets department heads earlier this week so we'll be embarking on that internally and I'll be speaking with the board further about that and scudging moving ahead as we jump in the budget time and last I'll share the town fire departments received a fire act grant and the amount of $98,000 one recognize our Lieutenant Keith Baker for his work to obtain this grant and it's going to be in a system to allow the fire apparatus exhaustive evented when the fire trucks are arriving and departing the station and this is something that was originally planned for the station and due to the scope and the cost of the project it was something that had to be deferred and fortunately we've been able to obtain this grant and seeing with the chief I probably the earliest timeline we can plan on is sometime next year for this work to take place but it's a unfortunate get a lot of grant funds for the town in the last year and this is a another good success story here. Okay, good job. So that's all I have for the board tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Brings us to other business and Eric just mentioned about Cindy Thurston. I just I asked her to submit a letter of resignation since she was going to do it so we could advertise the position and hopefully have it filled by the time she wishes to be to step it down. So she has written to me as September 1st, 2021. I'd like to officially tender my resignation as well as the town and health officer effective as soon as the position can be filled but no later than 1231-21 has been my great pleasure to serve Willuston in this capacity. I've had the chance to work with multiple agencies all of which have proved helpful and knowledgeable. They've had the privilege of being welcome inside many homes. Often a humbling experience for me. Thank you for this unique opportunity. I remain available to assist in acclimating new health officer if that is beneficial, greatly Cindy Thurston. So if we do not have a health officer in place by the end of the calendar year, the deputy health officer will be the acting health officer at that time. And if the deputy health officer should resign, who is me, the duties go back, go to the chair of the select board. So we'll have Sony covered. Is there any other business to talk about tonight? I'm sorry, I was trying to get three things. I'll try to be quick. The energy coordinator position. I would like to have a discussion about that position. And in particular, my understanding is, is that we have the option to consider that position in next year's budget. What I'm specifically asking is if we will consider actually creating that position before next year's. And I can explain if you want, you know, what I see as the need. We're already behind the eight ball on this issue. So I guess I'm presenting that question of, is there interest in exploring, creating the energy coordinator position within the town in this budget, this the budget we're in right now, as opposed to possibly considering it in next year's budget. I realize we would have to understand, you know, the financial impacts of that, that type of thing. That would need to be a piece of it. But I guess just simply said, I think the need, the need is coming gone. It's already passed us. The longer we wait, the further we're going to fall behind. So the town manager will be proposing something for both the, the energy committee and the coordinator position. If he could do that before the, the budget cycle happens, then we can discuss whether we wish to do something immediately or wait. Okay, fair enough. Good. Thank you. The next question has to do with the edge. And Erica, as I was listening to you explain the concept of how we would explore a community center. The question I have is, I've read some of the postings in like French Forge Forum and folks' interest in pursuing a town involvement and keeping in somehow investing in, or I don't know if that's really the right word, but maintaining a edge-like facility at the edge. Is that at all possible? I would say no, Jeff. That would have been my opinion. I just had wanted to ask that when the question was being raised. And I don't see how we could. I received a lot of inquiries in the last week and this is a, it's a private transaction. We, we don't know any details of it. But I know some, I just want to respond to some folks we're asking with, you know, does the town know about these transactions where they take place? And we, we find out about it mostly at the same time. Right. Okay. But that's, I would say it's not an option for us. And then my last question is, it happened during the discussion about the senior center. Um, what is the town's role or participation in a senior center right now? Yeah, we've had for a number of years in the recreation budget. Essentially the seniors group that's used the Masonic center, they're, they're charged a nominal fee to use the space. So we've subsidized that fee and I've, they haven't met due to COVID and actually exchanged some calls and messages with the, the organizer of the group. And they decided to hold off on meeting a little longer due to COVID. Oh, okay. Saying they are holding off for now because of COVID. Is it out there and then for the season, having their, their own involved for the time being. Oh, okay. And, and thus, I mean, it is, it's at least theoretically possible that they might find another space that has an adequate meeting room and kitchen and the town would continue in the same vein that it currently is to assist with whatever renting using that space. Yeah. Okay. And I believe it's been low and the, the property changed hands from the Masons to JL Davis and over the last year. And that was the first I heard this evening that they had some future plans for the space in a year and four months. I know they were receptive for them continuing to meet there in the interim. Yeah. Okay. Good. Thank you. And I'm sorry, follow up one thing. Eric, do you have a thoughts on when the information about the Energy Committee and Coordinator positions when you would be presenting that to us or providing that to us? Yeah, we had, we tend to have looked at September select board meeting. We had initially intended to do this a little bit earlier. We had some other items come up, but you know, it's my intent to look at next, next agenda when I discuss with Terry. Okay. So this, it sounds like this fall. Yeah, that's been, that's been on the work plan for a long time. Good. Thank you. That's it. That's it. Any other business? We're adjourned.