 Well, Bangkok is similar to most capital city where you have very high density and very difficult to find cheap land and any accessible land, which means if you have the infrastructure system leaching out wherever, all that land will become expensive. So the only possibility for the poor to stay is to encroach. You add into the existing slum area. You rent a room or rent a house or whatever. Otherwise, you stay on the vacant plot next to the big factory where nobody can see you. But anyway, all together in Bangkok you have about a thousand communities of this type. Old rental, land rental, house rental, squatters, small squatters, big squatters and so on. So in some way we can say that poor people find land all the time. Poor people can acquire land although it's illegal, but they are able to find it here and there all the time. So if we see that as something interesting, probably if we support the people with good flexible funding and let them find the land. We found in the housing project in which we support that people can find a lot of very interesting land. Either government land or private land. After they make a survey, they will start seeing a lot of pockets, land pockets. Then they would start seeing who are the owners of the land and so on. We have the word called Bly land, which means these are the land which is not accessible. It's in the middle of the big, big alley and so on. But then they found that the owner wants to sell it in cheap price or this particular land owned by that particular government organization who doesn't seem to do anything on this land. These different kinds of land from the land survey they found, they start negotiating it. And some of them quite possible. And this is the way people are able to acquire the unused land and to make a possible housing project. Developer-led housing is always expensive as we experience in the community management or community construction, the housing project. We found that the price of that housing project is always about half of the contractor's price. And because people link together, they have a social structure, a stronger social cohesion, social structure. And that social process can reduce the cost of housing by working together. And because people will not charge a very high labor cost, they will try to buy the material together in cheap price. They will find all the way that construction be done in such a way that it's not too expensive, although they have skilled workers who help them. So with all that social process in the housing construction, it could reduce the price. And that's very significant because poor people don't have the money. You don't have the money, you have to find all the way that the price of proper housing is reduced. And we can say that it's about half price, same as in the Philippines. They found that the price is about half. Therefore, if the private sector want to build the lower standard housing, it means the standard would have to be lower than what the people are doing. Because the price of construction per square meter will be more expensive. It could be double what people could offer. This is one. The second one is on the social system. This is a very, very important issue because housing development is not only a physical development. We also need a social development. You also need a social political linkages between this community and other community and the city and also develop the welfare system, the income generation activities and so on. It's a way to build community. It's not just a jail. You just stay in isolation, which is the case of most of the private sector housing. You only have the body without any soul, you know? So people just stay there and for the poor, if you live in isolation like that, it's very difficult for their life. If you seek what's going to happen, if you cannot pay what happens, you see a lot in the government public sector housing. When you can't pay for three months, they cut the water electricity, for instance. So after you pay for so many months or many years, if suddenly you have an accident and you cannot pay, it means you're out. But in the group housing process where we organize socially and with the community fund and so on, there is a flexibility of this. And you have the group financial system, the group process to help protect, to help facilitate, to help in the time of crisis. And that is a welfare system in which the children can have a bit of money for the scholarship. If the mother has to go to work, you can leave your children with the neighbor and so on. So it's more than just physical houses and that's crucial for the poor because poor people mean the people who cannot have the income up to the standard level. Therefore, they need to help each other and we have to translate that social help, social system, into a part of the housing activities. And that is not something the private sector can offer. Yeah, there must be some appropriate or good density, which would make a good relationship of the people who live together. It was too high density. I have seen some slum earlier or even the housing project if you have, say, the walkway of two meters. And it's so clouded. The physical clouding situation makes it very difficult. A lot of things, very intense. The way they use the open space for cooking for the children are playing and the motorbikes are trying to pass on that and people are walking, you know. Which means that the intensive needs for such a small space must have made people feel a little headache and it should have some effect. So I feel that there's a need for some proper density also, which is not too much. So the best way is to talk and to discuss and to find a socially planned, socially management, a collective management system. And you live like a big family in a social cluster, something like that. With a good discussion and understanding, I think that can be the way to deal with. It has to be rather high density one way or the other, but you have to deal with the physical situation, how to plan it as properly as possible, how to cleaning the area, make more plans or trees or a little open space for the children can play or, you know, that you have to find element. And I think that in general we are able to make it in every project. There are open space, community centers and all this kind of thing. It's possible to decide, no matter how high density it is.