 Please don't forget to like and subscribe, including today's debate on Islam vs atheism, which is best for society, and we have our interlocutors, T-Jump and the Perfect Dawah here to help us find some answers. And if you enjoy what either of them have to say tonight, both of our guest links are in the description below and with that I'm going to hand it to the Perfect Dawah for their up to 12 minute opening statement. Alright there, thank you very much, hello everyone, and thanks for watching. I have written, of course, yes, I have written so that I don't forget anything. Yeah, to answer the question of Islam or atheism, which is better for society, we have to first know the meaning of creation. If the meaning was to live like animals in a jungle that we are living into now, then we don't need any religion. I hope everyone agrees with me that we are living in a jungle, but a modern jungle, because the rules are the same. The strongest one get the most, but the weakest one get the least or nothing. The rules of the jungle allow you to become rich by killing millions of people. One example is tobacco companies, making billions of dollars by killing five million people every year. It is the equal casualty of 33 Hiroshima nuclear bomb every year. Weapon cartels produce all kinds of weapons to become richer, and God knows how many people they kill. They even create wars and conflicts to sell more weapons, corruption, drug, human trafficking, and many more massive problems are because of the rules of the jungle we are living in. If we choose to live like animals in this modern jungle, then we don't need any religions because the jungle is run by our animal nature. We are animals in nature, but the smartest one. If we want to call ourselves human, then we have to act like one and get out of our jungle and live in a human world. Animal way of living is me, only me. I don't care about others, I just care about myself, and I'm ready to kill millions for my own interests. In the human world, the rules are 180 degrees opposite to the animal world. The rules are first everyone else, love one another, and sacrifice for our own kind. If we want to get rid of all our problems and live in a human world where no bad deeds happen, no one goes hungry, no one gets killed by bombs, no drugs, no corruption, and no human trafficking, then the only way is to convert to the laws of the most merciful and forgiving God, who loves us and wants to guide us out of the jungle. God helped us to have more human life by sending us different prophets in the past. No one can deny that it was the message of love one another by Jesus peace be upon him that stopped pagans of Rome and Greece, the barbaric practice they had which were putting gladiators in those stadiums killing each other so that those barbarians cheer and have fun seeing gladiators slaughtering each other. No one can deny that it was teachings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him that stopped our pagans from burying their daughters alive. A practice that even today is followed by pagans in India. In the past 20 years, more than 10 million girls have been killed before or after birth in India. 2,500 years ago, Persian became the biggest empire in the world, but they didn't practice any of those barbaric acts, Romans, Greeks and Egyptians practice because Persian were believing in a messenger of God and his three main teachings were good words, good thoughts and good deeds. Only by these three teachings, we had Cyrus the Great who just freed people from oppression and he had the first human right laws in the world which is kept in the British Museum. I can go on and on in many hours and give you facts that how Abrahamic religion changed our jungle to more human world, but of course not yet the absolute human world. God and his religions solved many problems we had in the past. So we needed his guidance in the past, but do we still need him? We definitely have a lot of problems even today. If we can solve them ourselves, then I agree that we don't need him anymore. Did God want to solve just few problems or all? The answer is all. So God put the final guidance in Islam to show us the way out of the jungle so that we live in a utopia which is beyond anyone's imagination. For most people it is impossible, but it is possible by guidance of the Almighty God and that is why Islam is called the last message of God. Not because it has more rules and praying and fasting, but because it can make possible the impossible. Secularism cannot guide us out of the jungle and solve all our problems. The jungle we are living in is run by our animal nature and doesn't need any set of beliefs, but the human world needs a set of beliefs because it is against our nature. We have to fight against our ego, which is a part of our nature. So we need a set of beliefs to fight our nature. The more we sacrifice, the more human we are and the more selfish, the more animal we are. Can secularism guide us, guide people to sacrifice, especially absolute sacrifice? No, only God can do that and He will reward us with heaven if we live and die like a human, but He will punish us if we reject His command and live and die like animals. Now it is up to us to choose this jungle and see our fellow human beings get killed by many different ways just because some people want to be, to get richer and richer, to see hundreds of millions of people live in a hell on earth, earning $1 a day and many other injustice and disasters, or we want to decide to follow the commands of the most merciful and forgiving God and live in a human world. Which one you choose? I don't want to see all these injustice because I care about everyone else. How about you? All right. Thank you very much. This was my introduction. Thank you so very much, the perfect dialogue for your opening statement and with that we're going to hand it over to T-Jump for his up to 12-minute opening statement. All right. So the question is which is better for society, Islam or atheism and the ideology which is the best to find out which is the ideology. Thus, we can look at the stats from all around the world to see which ideologies actually solve the most problems. If you are curious, which states are the most at least religious, simply check the Pew Forum's religious landscape survey. It is all there. And you can go ahead and check out the various states and how they're faring in terms of social well-being. The correlation is clear and strong. The more secular tend to fare better and the more religious on a vast host of measures, including homicide and violent crime rates, poverty rates, obesity, diabetes rates, child abuse rates, education attainment levels, income levels, unemployment rates, rates of sexually transmitted disease, teen pregnancy, et cetera. You name it. On nearly every sociological measure on well-being, you're most likely to find that the more secular states with the lowest levels of faith in God and the lowest levels of church attendance are faring best and the most religious states with the highest levels of faith in God and rates of church attendance are faring the worst. The same pattern includes the worst examples of secular nations, even if you include China, Russia, North Korea, whatever. These are far more developed and better off than the majority of Muslim countries. And so only even if you take the worst examples of both worlds, secular nations do better. The majority of Muslim countries are doing worse off than the majority of secular nations. If we look at the best nations in the world who have the best levels of human rights, they're all majority secular nations. One of the biggest problems that Islamic nations face is the focus on religious beliefs has on educations and many Muslim countries consist primarily of religious rather than scientific programs and this focus on religious education has a detriment to society and holds them back and is one of the primary reasons they do worse in every metric. Education in the West tends to focus on scientific ones, which is why education in the West and secular nations is significantly better in every respect. Islamic nations, women are second-class citizens and it's not just that women can't contribute directly to the workforce, but that women aren't educated at the same standard and thus aren't able to raise children to be scientists and engineers as effectively another one of the contributing reasons why Islamic societies do objectively worse in every measure. Islamist legal systems are based on antiquated legal environments, largely based on old UK law without update merged with Sharia law and is not compatible with modern business, holding back businesses from being able to be successful in Muslim countries. Another determining factor in why Muslim countries do objectively worse in every metric. Some Muslim countries have tried to resolve this by moving away from Islamic laws like the Dubai free trade zones and the jibbalali in the 70s was probably the first major development of its kind, but the law outside of business still needs revision. So this shows that only by leaving Islamic law do Islamic countries make progress. If Islam isn't capable of solving the problems of its own countries, it has no business thinking it can solve the problems in other countries in the rest of the world until Islam can build up its own countries to the level of prosperity, development, education, standard of living, opportunity and quality of life of the Christian Jewish and secular nations that it isn't even a serious contender to be the solution for humanity. Judaism, Christianity and secularism are all infinitely better options demonstrated by all of the evidence we have today. Research by Helmut Neiberg and Richard Lynn, Immers Professor of Psychology at the University of Ulster, compared belief in God and IQs using the data from U.S. studies of many, many thousands of people. The average IQ of atheists is six point higher than the IQ of religious people, showing that probably the moderate people tend towards atheism because it is a more intellectual position. So taking a less intellectual position is a detriment and a good reason why we should not adopt religious beliefs in general. In a Pew survey study on global study of religion and education around the world ranked. Jews is the most educated followed by Christians and atheists with Muslims and Hindus being the lowest level of education. So there's an indication that Islam is not even close to a solution here. Again, it's not even within the category. If we look at normal prizes, Christians make up the most with about 65% second is Jews with 20% third is atheists with 10% and fourth is Buddhists with 1% and Muslims go with a solid 0%. Zero points, they get four. They got four, four, four Nobel prizes. Good indication that they are not qualified to do anything relating to solving problems in the world since most of the problems that are actually solved are solved scientifically. Let's recall Norman Borlaug, the man who literally saved a billion lives by inventing genetically modified wheat. Science is what saves humanity, not religious beliefs that make absolutely no progress in science. We can also recall the time when math was banned in Islam, math and trade, which said when Islam was the leading technological ruler of the world, this completely undermined them and led them to where they are today or the lowest level of scientific development in the world. If we compare our answers among scientists, personal belief in a God is about 7%, whereas disbelief is about 70%. So the vast majority of the top scientists do not believe in a God. If general scientists, the same trend is there, even though it's much smaller, just average, everyday scientists, it's about 41% are not believing. And so if we look at Sage Journal, our Muslim country is more prone to violence by Niels Perg, the Leicester and Ida Rolftesen. Muslim countries are also overrepresented among the countries at the high levels of forms of internal violence, non-state conflict, just not like wars, one-sided violence, highly representative human rights policies, repressive human rights policies, and countries that practice capital punishment. So kidnappings are 56% above average in Muslim countries, murders are three times higher in Muslim countries. Worst countries for human rights in violations, 80% are Muslim. If we just take the entire wall, all of the countries that are the worst human rights violations and rule of law, 80% are Muslim. So if we take what my opponent said in the opening seriously, this fact demonstrates and proves it absolutely false so that adopting Islam can solve any of these world's problems and decrease crime and anything, even to have the data is false. The more Islamic countries move away from tenants of Islam and adopt secular values, the better the countries become. Ironically, Islam is about the last ideology you want to be a serious contender for this role. Gender-based violence, domestic abuse, honor killings, FGM, female genome relation, marital rape, all higher in Muslim countries, the non-Muslim countries, the non-Muslim countries being the lowest in secular nations. In conclusion, Islam isn't the solution for Islamic countries. In fact, it's one of the biggest problems. Therefore, it's definitely not the solution for mankind, especially since we already have ideologies which do objectively better in every imaginable way until Islam can fix the problems in its own countries. It definitely can't be considered as a plausible solution for any other countries. Thank you so very much, T-Jump, for your opening statement. And with that, I'm going to hand it back to our interlocutors for 40 minutes to an hour of open dialogue. All right. Shall I start or? Don't worry. Yeah, okay. I would like to see if I can share something. I mean, is it possible that to share a link? To share a link or to share your screen? Yeah, a screen, I think, yeah. Sure, give me a shot. I have to, just a moment, please. I think I have to go to this share screen, yeah? Sir? Yes, I think it's, all right. Share. Is it share now? Ah, it's loading, and they'll just give me one second to send it over to everyone else. Here on my screen, probably. There we go, should be all good. I see nothing. Do you see it? No. I don't see it now. The screen share is causing me to lag. Can you, yeah, can you cancel the screen share? Okay, I will cancel. Just describe it, just describe it. Let me see here, I can read it for you. It is a recent news. More than 50 Republicans in the House of Representatives support banks' resolution against nuclear deal with Iran, aimed at Russian-Ukraine war. An update, GCPOA would increase the risk of a nuclear Iran and reach terrorists and destabilize the entire region. All these aside, the process in Vienna would be a violator of the deal for any normal administration. Okay, and then just a few days ago, Iranian terrorists threatened to kill American citizen in the United States, and the Iranian government has openly claimed responsibility for the rocket attack near the US consulate in Iraq. Banks added, let's be clear, Joe Biden is not just negotiating with terrorists. He is sending billions to terrorists. Sorry, sending billions to terrorists to leave sanctions. Your country has destroyed the entire Middle East, by supporting the Godfather of International Terrorism, which is Iranian regime, in 40 years. Obama sent them over $100 billion, and it was only Donald Trump who came out from that stupid. The point is that you destroy our countries and you blame it on Islam, okay? It is as if as I say, the entire Latin America has blamed the problem there on Christianity, which is absolutely wrong, or Africa. It is the wealthy country, the rich country, even Russia and China, they are oppressing all other countries for their own interests, and you don't have to blame Islam for all these disasters that we have created. Don't support it in Europe, for example. Let me tell you. So let's say you're right, let's say you're right. Who was it? You see the top five. Hold up, hold up, so let's stay you're right. So whose fault is it that Islam decayed, even though it was the leader in the world, was it America who didn't exist yet? Why was it in the 12 and 1300s when Islam was the most technologically advanced and had the most education and the most trade? Who's, which Western nation was it that caused Islam to fall? I said that from the beginning, we are living in a jungle. Of course there are different, you know, elements who, you know, abuse religion. What was the answer to the question? No, the answer is that, the answer is that Islam came to solve the problems and it solved a lot of problems. But I didn't say the whole problem was the leader of the world. Then Islam collapsed because Islam banned math and banned trade with Jews. So Islam caused the problems in Islam. Islam, which was the leader in the world, had all of the technology, had the most powerful militaries, had everything going for them. And then they decayed and became weak so other countries could then take advantage of them. But that's not the other country's fault. That's Islam's fault because it destroyed itself. And so yes, will evil people take advantage of them now? Of course they will. But what set them back wasn't the other countries, it was Islam. Islam is the problem. And it doesn't matter even if I can grant that America is siding with Iran or whatever, does that cause the female genital mutilation? No, does that cause the honor killings? No, does that cause the killing of gay people? No, those are all tenants in Islam. Islam is the thing that caused those. So of all the stats I listed, of the ones of violent crime, it was of non-state conflict. It was of people killing other people, of murder, of rape, of crime, of people in those countries doing things evil because of Islam. So nothing that you said there, even if America is evil, which I mean, I kind of agree America is evil, none of that is the cause of the problem here, the cause of the problem of all the things I listed was Islam. It wasn't that America did it. America didn't add female genital mutilation into Islam. That was what Islam added into it. Now, can I answer you? Okay, can I answer? As a born in a Muslim family and a Muslim country, I have never heard this female, sorry, circumcision or what do you call it? Okay, I have never heard it in my entire life. Recently I've heard it because it is African, yes, it is, I think it was Reza Aslan who was talking to CNN as well. He had more research about that, that Ethiopia, a mostly Christian country has the most problem with this women mutilation, okay? So I have never, my sisters, my mother, my entire relatives never had heard such a thing, okay? So this is not- I don't care what your family has heard, anecdotes or evidence. This is not Islamic, this is an African problem, has entered some Muslim countries and people adopted, but it doesn't have anything to do with Islam, okay? And Muslim- It's the Islamic countries, why is it? One second, if you say it has nothing to do with Muslim countries, why is it that this is the most in Muslim countries? It doesn't have anything to do with Islam because- Okay, if it has nothing to do with Islam, why is it the most in Muslim countries? No, I told you right now that Ethiopia has the most, case of- I literally just read the stats from the Pew surveys data, I have the stats. Of all countries who have the most violations of human rights, 80% are Muslim. Okay, human rights you are talking about or you are talking about women mutilation. You were talking, if human rights you are talking about, okay, you better, you know, don't show your face like that is not so, I think nice, but anyway, I told you that you support dictators in our country. The practice is almost universal, female genital relations almost universal in Somalia, guess what, that's a Muslim country, Guinea, Djibouti- How about Ethiopia? How about Ethiopia? Ethiopia, I don't know. It has the most women mutilation in Ethiopia and it is most Christian country. So please, if you are talking about human rights, okay? If you are talking about human rights violation, and I told you that you support dictators in our countries, we could have a beautiful Middle East, beautiful democratic countries in the Middle East. If you didn't, your country, USA and UK didn't make a coup d'etat against our democratic prime minister in 1953 and bring it down, put a dictator there, we would have, Iran would be second Japan because the regime, because you don't have the knowledge of such a thing. You seem like you're going off the plane. That's why you don't know. No, you don't have, you don't have the knowledge. I'm gonna get back to the point. So, at a point here, female genital relation in the Middle East is highest in Northern Saudi Arabia, Southern Jordan, Iraq and including Kurdish regions, also been discovered in Syria, Oman and United Arab Emirates. I said that it is not Islamic. If it was Islamic, I would have, my sisters would have been also mutilated. My sisters, my mother, I didn't hear it at all. One second, one second, one second, one second, one second. So your argument there was that if it was Islamic, then it would have happened to your family. It didn't happen to your family. Therefore it depended on Islam. That's called an anecdotal fallacy. So one second, I'm making the point here. So even if it didn't happen to your family, that doesn't matter if it happens to millions of other families in Islam from Islamic doctrine. What happened to your family from your interpretation doesn't matter. What we care about here is, does this ideology cause a bad effect on the whole? I say it's not in the ideology. One second, one second, one second, one second. So if your interpretation, what you think is the truth. It's not my interpretation. I'm not, one second. So your interpretation, stop interrupting. Stop interrupting and let me finish. Stop interrupting. Stop interrupting. So what your interpretation of Islam, because it's not true, it's just a made up religion, your interpretation may not include female genital mutilation, but it does for millions of other people around the world. So if we adopted Islam, millions of people who adopted those other definitions would increase the rates of female genital mutilation and human rights violation. Whether you think it's true Islam or not, doesn't matter because if we adopted Islam, more people would adopt those harmful variations. So it doesn't matter what your family did, it's called anecdotal fallacy, literally a logical fallacy that proves their argument is garbage. It doesn't matter. It happens all over the world. That's what matters. Can I answer? You put more words in my mouth. I didn't say it to my family. I said I was born and grown up in a Muslim country. I had never heard it in my entire life. Not my family, not my relatives. No one, I had never heard such a things, okay? So you say that it is only my family? No, I just heard it in Europe when I came a few years ago, I heard this one that there are countries that they practice such an act, okay? And I heard it first time. First time I heard it from this Riza Aslan on CNN. I don't care. What you heard doesn't matter. Your personal anecdote of what you heard is irrelevant. It's not evidence no one cares. I have data from the entire planet, from the entire Pew survey data of millions of people. I know what's happening in the world. Check Ethiopia. Check Ethiopia. I don't care about Ethiopia. I don't care. Why you don't care? Why you don't care? It doesn't matter. It literally doesn't matter. I just said one second, one second what you're saying does not make sense here. I said here it's happening in Northern Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Kurdish freedom, Oman, Syria. Wait, wait, so it doesn't matter what's happening in Ethiopia. It literally doesn't matter. It matters very much. Religion causes this problem. No, it is Christianity as well. Yeah, it is in Christianity. I'm an atheist. I don't care about Christianity either. Christianity is all so bad. Your religion is causing a problem. Atheism is better. It doesn't cause a problem. Which atheist country is having problem with FGM? Name one. In any atheist country. But I said that this is an African problem, okay? And I just listed Middle East, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, yes, it has entered in some Muslim countries as well. Which atheist countries has the problem? I don't know. Okay, so this is the biggest problem in the world. Yeah. Is it the biggest problem in the world? I don't think so, but I was talking about, I was talking about tobacco companies kill five million people every year, 33 nuclear bomb, okay? And atheism cannot solve such a problems, okay? Drug problem, war problem, you know? Atheism is solving that problem. So one sec. So the companies taking advantage of people, atheism is solving those problems. The secular nations are making laws against tobacco usage. They're making laws against companies taking advantage of South American companies. All that's coming from secular nations, secular Western nations who are making laws based on humanist principles to try not to take advantage of people. So the only ones making progress in that field is atheist nations. But first of all, I said that all these comes from Abramic religion. It started from Abramic religion. Slowly, slowly, all we have today is from Abramic religion. Even if you are secular, you don't know that you are following those great teachings of Jesus and Moses and Prophet Muhammad, okay? Wait, you're saying that secular morality comes from the Islamic religion? Is that what you're saying? Not only Islam, from Christianity and Judaism. Okay, well, we can prove that false. We can prove that false. So morality predates any religion. It started from then. No, it didn't. We can prove that false. So that's literally what I'm addressing. We can prove that false. We know morality comes from evolution. There's morality in apes that we can find and we can see the patterns that precurs human morality in other animals that have no religion. So we know for a fact, it does not come from any religion. It comes specifically from evolution and social norms and how game theory interacts with our cultural groups, has nothing to do with religion. We know that our social norms come from evolutionary tendencies and what causes societies to work well together due to cooperation incentives and game theory. So no, it does not in any way come from Christianity or Islam. And in fact, all of the good principles that came from Christianity and Islam and Judaism predate all of those and come from Hinduism. Okay. So you mean that when gladiators were killing each other in those stadiums, Romans and Greeks, it was Hinduism that solved those problems or Jesus' message solved those problems? Well, no one solved those problems, but the principles, the principles... It just solved itself. Yeah, just itself. Okay. No, secularizations are solved in this problem. How about girls were burying alive in Arabia? Who solved that problem? Not the Muslims, because it's still happening. So again, no, no, no, no, no. It's still happening there. This is what Muslims solved the problem. You're diverting. You're diverting from the topic. You're diverting from the topic. You're not addressing the topic. Who solved that problem? One sec. You made a point. You said that the principles of morality come from Christianity and Judaism and Islam. That's false. I can prove that false because these principles, like the golden rule, come from Hinduism. Hinduism had them before Christianity or Islam or Judaism. It's an older religion that also had the principles of the golden rule. So the principles don't come from Christianity or Islam or any of the Abrahamic religions. The principles come from other religions that predated those. So that point you made is false. This other irrelevant point you made about Islam making some progress and still doesn't matter. All right. So you mean that the Romans and the Greeks, they stopped those barbaric acts because of Hinduism, not because of Christianity? No, no. None of that matters. None of that matters. So again, follow the conversation. You made an argument. The principles that are wrong. I'm asking you a question. So I'm asking you a question. You're making a different, irrelevant point. So let's go back to the point we were talking about before. OK. Then you cannot answer. Then you cannot answer. No, no, no. You're deferring. It's all the time. They divert from the topic to try and avoid when they're about to get caught. So you made a point. You made the point that the moral principles come from the Abrahamic religions. I proved that point false. No. How? They come from Hinduism. I'll ask you a question then. No, no, no. Your question doesn't matter. Did Hinduism exist before the Abrahamic religions? Yes. Did Hinduism come up with the golden rule and the moral principles that Christianity stole it from? Yes. Therefore, these moral principles came from Hinduism. Whether or not Hinduism solves some other problem in some other location literally doesn't make a difference. Your argument was proven false. They did not come from Abrahamic religions. So you mean that the problems there were solved by Hinduism? I didn't say anything about problems. Follow the conversation. I said, did the principles originates from the Abrahamic religions? No. Problem solved. So you mean that the Abrahamic religion followed Hinduism? Yes. They took from Hinduism? Yes. OK. Very in Hinduism. Can you please show me in Hinduism where it says that don't bury your daughters alive. Don't kill your daughters. How does that follow from anything I said? Like, what is it? I said that the moral principles that Christianity Why they are still? Why they are still? So you're doing the Muslim thing where you're going off on some irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with anything I said. So I said the principles like the golden rule, the foundational principles of the entire religion come from Hinduism. The golden rule is in Hinduism. It predates Christianity. So the foundation of morality of the moral principles is in Hinduism. Now, how those were adopted into specific little weird things about burial, that doesn't matter. The original tenants of the foundation of morality does not come from any of the Abrahamic things. Not burying your dead is not a foundational moral tenant. That that's that's just a silly little thing that changed in different cultures. It's not a thing in morality. So why they haven't still yet solved the problems of burying daughters alive in India? That literally has nothing to do with the point. It doesn't have any. OK, I could come with a lot of facts that they haven't been able to solve any problems in their own community. That literally has nothing to do with the point. But let's talk about the world problem that we are facing today. And you mentioned, of course, a lot of problems in Muslim countries. And I address that, that it is not only in Muslim countries. It's in Christian countries, in African countries. And it is because of some superpowers. They want to benefit from those countries. So they keep them kudita in Chile, bringing down Salvador Alende. It wasn't because of Islam. It was because of CIA and all these. So they don't do this only to Muslim countries. I say that they do it to other countries as well. But Muslim countries are also affected by these superpowers. And they're their interest to keep dictators in power. And if they didn't, yes, and if they didn't involve in our countries, we would have beautiful, perfect countries. No, that's literally false. We can prove that false just by looking past the history. OK, that's I gave you the fact that if 1953 you didn't bring down our democratic country, sorry, government in Iran and put a dictator Shah in power, then we would have second Japan in Iran. Because it hasn't happened, because it has gone wrong, then I cannot, of course, prove you. So democracy brings development. Democracy allows people to develop. But in dictatorship, tens of thousands of highly educated people have been executed by this regime that I showed you right now. The Muslim regime. Joe Biden is trying to save them by. The Muslim regime is executing people. Is that a Muslim regime? It's a mafia regime. It's a mafia regime. And which religion you put? Which religion are they? And your country, they put it. Which religion? They believe in money. They don't believe in anything but money. They are a bunch of. No, that's false. And which religion is their state? Which religion is the country? Which is the official religion of their government? What is the official religion that they stated on their government? What religion? They are they are lying. So why I don't care if you think they're lying. What religion does it say that they are based on? They say whatever they want to say. OK, what do they say? What do they want to say? They say they say they are Muslim, of course. Yeah, they say they're Muslim. Yes, but they are not. If that's called a no-truth doctrine. If you know if you know what a no-truth mafia if you believe in a bunch of mafia, then that's your problem. OK? Do you know what a no-truth scotsman is? Is that it? No-truth scotsman. You know what a no-truth scotsman fallacy is. No, I don't know. OK, no-truth scotsman fallacy is when you say, oh, they're not a real Scott because they don't have cream porridge or whatever. You can say they're not real Muslims because they don't they don't adhere to your interpretation of Islam. No, they are equally as real Muslims as you are. You just disagree with their interpretation. They are Muslim. All right, I asked you a question. Stealing in Islam is forbidden. Okay. Do you know that at least? Yeah in your interpretation? No, it is it is in Islam in Islam. Any Any religion says that stealing is forbidden any any I'm asking you a question any government even a secular government says stealing is forbidden Or interpretation your interpretation. So if they think they're fine Yes, so they think they're they are allowed in Islam to do the things they're doing. They think you're perfectly fine Yes, Sweden. It's a secular government and they say stealing is forbidden. Is my interpretation or Is that my interpretation? It is they say they say stealing is forbidden Okay robbing is forbidden. So it is in their constitution. All right. So Islam says Islam says stealing robbing people. Okay is Forbidden it's harab. All right, but this government in iran Everybody know I can show you a lot of facts. They steal billions of dollars The leader he didn't have even a flat now. He's 200 billion dollars rich US embassy in Baghdad said 85 billion dollars 95 billion dollars rich us embassy in Baghdad. Okay, few years So the leader is 95 billion dollars rich. Okay. All right. That's a Muslim. All right That's uh, you're uh, everybody listen and see that how you you know You try to run away from the the answer What no no no your answer isn't an answer like they are Muslim whether or not you think they're correct Muslims doesn't matter They are Islam. They believe in Islam. They don't believe in Islam. They don't know. No, that's that's your Belief that is your problem. They do they say we're Muslim. They go to the mosque They pray to a lot they're Muslim whether you believe it or not Whether you think they're not doing the right Muslim way. It doesn't make a difference. They're Muslim If we adopt Islam There's going to be a lot of people who do what they're doing and have their interpretation and disagree with your interpretation It doesn't matter if you think it's the correct one or not Islam will cause that what we see what we see them doing Islam doesn't cause that Joe Biden caused that Barack Obama does that. Okay, by saying that has been happening for a long time Before any of the American I read for you I read for you from 50 Republicans now that you are going your government is going to stand hundreds of billions of dollars like Barack Obama did to the biggest terrorist regime on the planet Which doesn't doesn't address the point. That's irrelevant. Yes, literally irrelevant Because you so Go back. Go back. Go back in time. Let's go back in time Let's go back in time. So did america create These organizations these governments. Yes. No. Yes. No. Yes. No They've been they were around before america all of these come all of the the the islamic countries were around a long time Islamic countries. Yes. Islamic countries. Yes, but these terrorists and the problems are these terrorist regimes are all there They were still there is the head of terrorists You know international terrorism came to power 43 years ago because the usa was afraid that left groups take the power After iranian revolution. So they held this caveman terrorist guy Isis guy to take the power because they knew that he's not going to ally with uh, Soviet union, okay And they have been supporting this regime in 43 years and they're really irrelevant. It doesn't matter I can debunk everything you're saying just everything you're saying in like five seconds Islamic terrorism has been around since the assassins in the 1200s. Okay problem solved So no america didn't cause these problems because america was in around 1200 years ago Yes, there were terrorists a long time ago also muslim also same problems were not invented by america Okay, which terrorism can you give me a terrorist attack before 1979 by muslims? Can you google it? I google it. Let's google it. Yeah, google it before 1979 I haven't found a single terrorist attack anywhere in the world A terrorist attack by muslims before 1979 I haven't found a single one. The first one was 1981 in libena by hisbola After iranian revolution Sorry, uh, no the first one was 1980 in Saudi arabia also again by iranian regime Okay, because iranian regime has always wanted to occupy Saudi Arabia So every single raid every single Destruction and killing of one group of people. That's a terrorist incident. There's thousands of them in islamic countries prior to 1979 Okay, uh, you're talking about conflict and war. Okay. It has been I mean like just a group of people Give me a terrorist attack. I said A terrorist attack is defined as an attack of one group trying to change a political system So if one tribe To kill and slaughter and rape another tribe because they want to change that's the terrorist attack No, no, no, that's of course. It's uh, if you want to call that one even usa is attacking different countries That's also a terrorist America is terrorist too, but your country was terrorist way before america existed. Okay That's the conflicts. Everybody know that conflicts has existed. Everybody talking about conflict. I'm talking about genocide Yeah, it has existed and uh, it doesn't have anything to do with islam. Okay, literally does so if it happens more in islamic countries That has to do with islam for islam forbid it. Okay islam doesn't allow that's your that's your subjective interpretation What you think it forbids doesn't matter The question is is if we adopt islam will more people do genocide and the answer is yes If the more islamic countries do genocide than other countries and always have throughout most of history So islamic as a doctrine does not prevent genocide it causes more of it than other doctors like jainism There is no jainism genocide if we just give jainism to everyone in the world. There would be zero genocide But it is it is the jungle. I told you it is the rules of the jungle that You know created and created everywhere on this planet that you can become rich By killing people by abusing religion by abusing nationalism by abusing Uh, you know even color. Okay abusing What Muhammad he he abused rich off of conquering and killing people. Yes. I agree. Let me see wait DTA. Uh, I'm talking about uh, like conflict like second world war that You know, uh, Adolf Hitler abused nationalism. Okay, like Muhammad Yes, which okay all right Where did Muhammad use nationalism? he just He just wanted to uh Um, the the Quran literally says if people are of other nations or they leave Islam. We have to kill them like other nations Can you give me the verse? Can you give me the verse other time? You're going to google it. Muhammad Give me the verse that say people of other nations want to leave Islam Give me the verse I can just give me some time. I'll email us later if you want like this is not like A hard because you just you just have heard something from here Murders murders by Muhammad Um in Quran murders Quran Muhammad wars. All right Okay, thank according to how much rules of wars no justifications is for attacking civilians. Good. Good job, but um When when they reject or leave the the faith you can kill them. Okay, maybe give me the verse of Quran Please I ask you give me the verse of Quran that says if they reject or leave Apostates men are to be killed while women are to be held in solitary confinement and beaten every three days till they recant and return to Islam penalty for apostasy in Which verse which verse? Ah, you don't know. Hey, that's that's no problem. You don't know. I was reading. I don't need to give the verse like this Yeah, you have to does it matter if I give the verse like no. Yeah, it matter because there is no such a verse in Quran You you just hear what is what is the penalty for apostasy in in nothing? There is no penalty for apostasy. There is no compulsion in religion in Islam. Okay. That's a fabricated hadith by some Okay, let me put it this way. What what is in most Muslim countries? What is the penalty for apostasy in Quran? They say yes there. Okay. So where did they get that from? Did they just make it up? They get it from a fabricated hadith. Okay They don't get it from Quran because Quran says No, that's a great point. That's a great point. Let's talk about that So most Muslims in most Muslim countries think that we should most Muslim don't come with most most most Muslim Okay, there's a there's a few surveys. There are a bunch of dictators in these countries. They abuse religion I don't care about the dictators There are a few surveys data a few surveys data where they have asked Muslims in America in the uk in all of the Muslim countries Do they agree with the these tenants one of the things is they asked should there be should apostasy should I think it was be stoned to death or killed or whatever the vast majority like 66 something percent of Muslims and even the the European countries agreed that they should take and kill Apostates for leaving the faith or they should implement sharia law in these kinds of cases like yes This is most Muslims interpret the Quran in this way. So even if you think they're wrong Even if you think they've all made this up. They got it wrong. This is the incorrect interpretation Most Muslims think this that means if we adopt Islam worldwide the vast majority of the world would think this They would have the wrong interpretation of Islam which means Islam is a bad ideology to implement in the world Do you know how many secular nations think we should stone apostates? zero How many people in secular nations say it's okay to stone anyone for any reason? Zero there's none doesn't doesn't happen So secular nations here are better Because they don't have this problem that a large portion of the people who adopt the ideology think it's okay to stone apostates death Okay now You you couldn't find a single verse. Okay. I give you Quran chapter 4 verse 137 indeed those who believe have believed then disbelieve Then believed then disbelieve and then increase in disbelief. Of course, it's not disbelief. It's uh in Quran says kuf Okay, never will Allah forgive them nor will he guide them To a way. Okay. There is no anything about kill them asking us to kill them chapter 4 verse 137 Indeed those who have believed then disbelieve then believe Sorry, this was the the same. I I read okay chapter 47 verse 38. Here you are those invite To spend in the cows of Allah, but among you are those who hold Out of greed and whoever it holds only it holds Benefit from himself and Allah is the free of need while you are the needy And if you turn away, he will replace you with another people Then they will not be The like of you. So Allah there are so many verses of Quran and another one. There is no compulsion in religion. I don't care Okay, you don't care. Okay. I know that you don't care. You don't care about anything. All right There's something I do care about there's something I care about a lot It's what is we the actual data if people adopt this religion What happens to the people in that region? How many of them commit more crimes? I don't care what you're interpreting I'm making a point. I'm making a point here So I don't care what your interpretation of the book is or what you think the correct way to do Islam is I care what happens to the majority of people when they adopt Islam and they adopt female general mutilation They adopt sharia law. They adopt Less education of science more education of religion. They have more crime rates more rape rates more Marital rape rates like when people adopt Islam, they do bad things It's bad. Like I don't care if you think it's the right islam It doesn't make a difference if you think maybe they're just Studying it incorrectly makes no difference because if they adopt Islam, they do more bad things You know what doesn't have that effect secularism people adopt secularism. They do less bad things I don't care if it's the correct version or the correct interpretation makes no difference We can just look at the data how many people do these crimes in secular nations versus muslim nations muslim nations are worse Problem solved. We know which is better I told you from beginning that this is all about the jungle rules and then you go to latin america you see that Crime is much higher than Most muslim countries on this planet. Okay, you cannot even go on the street I would I didn't make research, but for example, south africa. I know it's a christian country But don't understand you're so dangerous. No my point is that it doesn't have anything to do with christianity Or or islam it has to do with the economy It has to do with the jungle rule that some people have One one percent of the world population and have one hundred ten trillion dollars While hundreds of millions of people live on one dollar a day. Okay, and they do all bad Partially agree with you. So I partially agree that Poverty is a large one was like one sec. So I partially agree that poverty is one of the biggest factors in causing Crime rates and all things But you know what gets people out of poverty science Science does this and you know, which ones have the highest science educations The the secular ones the more secular the more the more you go into non religious the more science education you have The reason islam is behind everyone else is because they don't educate women and women don't educate their kids to become scientists They educate them on religious garbage, which waste their time. So the fact that Religion is such a high focus in muslim countries is the problem keeping them poor If you got more into science like every other country did that were secular you wouldn't be poor anymore At least as poor So, yeah, poverty is a problem and a lot of the cause of poverty is islam Like literally as I mentioned earlier The reason islam is not the world leader in technology right now It's because they banned math and trade and the 1200s when they were the world leaders So, yeah, uh poverty is a problem and the reason they're in poverty is because of islam Okay, can I now Tell you that before islam entered my home country iran We didn't have scientists. We didn't have you know points after Islam enter in my home country because At that time education belonged only to rich You know classes and poor classes didn't have the right to study after islam enter iran and persia Everybody started to you know educate themselves and We have a lot of poets. We have a lot of scientists like iblisina Um and so on and I have to tell you that now for example I'm following a muslim country organization that women are highly highly educated women are leaders Okay, so don't stay islam does this islam there is a backward You know version of islam. I understand it. I accept it, but uh interpretation of islam that some Scholars businessmen follow that but there are muslims who interpret islam and coran in the right way and We believe in equality between men and women and we believe that everybody have the equal rights Okay, both men and women and uh, if it hasn't happened yet unfortunately Is because of the the western countries and they didn't want that the middle east becomes you know become developed and they They they try to destroy this great beautiful muslim organization Because this organization is going to bring the godfather of international terrorism, which is iranian regime. Okay And they didn't want that they bring down this regime. They bombed them in iraq in 2003 They forced them to move now to albania, but they are fighting And they are trying to bring down this regime one day They will do that and they the middle east will become peaceful and develop and become democratic Yes, don't laugh. Yes. I know that you try to stop when was it peaceful before western integration Like like before any of the western countries got there. Was it ever peaceful? Oh, how about uh, europe? Was it peaceful before? No, it has always everywhere everywhere on this planet Right, so islam doesn't actually make it peaceful It it make it peaceful if people understand it. Yes, because there is no When does that ever occur so so No one will ever Interpret islam the way you do it will never be the majority in islam never going to happen your personal subjective interpretation The right islam should be will never be the case what we see now is You're negative I don't know why you're talking over me. I don't know why you're talking over you haven't even heard my point yet So the fact that you have a subjective interpretation which very few muslims actually adhere to And you think that your correct interpretation should be implemented makes no difference no one no one else in the muslim world Care you'll have they all have their own personal interpretations Stop interrupting stop interrupting that all people in muslim in the muslim world I can all religions have their own personal subjective interpretations What matters is is what is the most likely thing to happen when people adopt the religion? What is the most? common interpretations of the religion the most common interpretation of islam are extremely violent and backwards and less scientific So it's a bad ideology. It doesn't matter if you think well If we all adopted the perfect version of islam that literally no one accepts then all the world would better That's a nice hypothesis that's never been tested when we actually adopt islam in large portions of the planet We see lots of crime lots of death lots of rape lots of human rights violations We don't ever see this perfect little islamic society You think it's going to happen in your own personal subjective interpretation doesn't occur What we do see is the best society to the ones that adopt secularism humanism We can literally see it happen We can see as people become more secular They become better people less crime less poverty more compassion Uh more acceptance of the lgbt community community definitely not something that's going to happen in islam Um less violent less murder less theft less rape every mess every possible metric We see it getting better in secular nations The fact that you have a personal subjective interpretation of islam you think will make the world better Doesn't matter because no one else in islam agrees Okay, now can I talk? first of all first of all Just because it hasn't happened. It doesn't mean that it it will never happen. We are In the past we were not educated people were not educated. There was no such a media and education Okay, now we are educating ourselves media and so on so we are Coming to that point and I said that uh, we are we are millions. Okay. We are trying to To do that and unfortunately, uh, we we are stopped somehow they try to stop us Those powers who don't want to see peace and stability in the middle east because they can sell hundreds of billions of dollars Vapents to the middle east they need conflicts and they need cheap oil and so on so they don't want this to see this beautiful You know democratic region but Another thing is that I said that all these problems is because of the jungle and the rules and that you allows you to become You know richer by killing killing millions of people Secularism how secularism can solve the Problem that is caused by tobacco. Can you please explain for me? 5 million people die every year on this planet because of tobacco companies want to become richer. Can you give me? Uh, the you know the good You know system a way that can get You know this problem fixed Can you guess we're literally yes, we're literally doing it like australia has implemented like pictures on the sides of Cigarette cases that are showing lung cancer and they're making them a dark green and this is decreased sales and consumption of cigarettes By almost half in the past 10 years. So yeah, we're literally doing that We're literally decreasing the rate of death by tobacco By magnitudes each year thanks to secular nations using science and what makes people not Wants to buy the packages. So like we've done research into what is the most Displeasing color and it's like a dark green shade And so they make all of the colors of the colors of the boxes on a dark green shade Which decreases sales of the tobacco things. So yes, we're making legislation in In the secular governments in order to decrease sales, which decreased the cost of the deaths to tobacco We're also increasing scientific Um discoveries in the curing of cancer which decreased the deaths of tobacco So yeah, we're solving these problems literally every day in the secular nation islam isn't solving them Sciences. Okay. Can I now respond to that? First of all, uh, I I heard that there was There were some feminist organization who complained to united nation that these tobacco companies they make You know advertisement that the cigarette makes you thin and then sexy So they target women to uh to increase their cell. Okay, uh, yes And then there is another thing is alcohol killing also millions of people No, the the solution is my friend is that uh, you get rid of the system of the jungle that people Can get billionaires become billionaires by selling cigarettes. Okay, if they cannot sell it I promise you tomorrow they will close down. They will Not they don't They will not produce a single, uh, you know pack of cigarette. Just Yeah, crime is not a thing. There's zero crime. No one sells cocaine in america Look, every every problem will disappear. Every problem will disappear. These uh, car Vaping cartons, they will not disappear. They will not I tell you that they will not this is the in islam Islam says that the the source is one source. Okay, it's uh, you know, describe it as satan But uh, it is the system the jungle system that allows that one percent Have 110 trillion dollars while while hundreds of millions of people live on one Already and they don't stop there. They want to become richer and richer So what they do they create conflict in different places to sell their weapons. They, uh, you know, they Only human trafficking is 150 billion dollars in the industry So no problem will disappear if as long as we have we are living in the jungle with the this jungle system So yeah, yeah, because it doesn't have any of those problems significantly worse than the western nations study Yeah, yeah, yeah, because islam doesn't have those problems like opium. No one no one illegally sells opium in any islamic country No, they they sell Happen there are no rich warlords who take advantage of the system in islam. Nope never happened zero zero cases of that in every country Tijon, you you don't understand. I said that they don't follow the islam They followed the rules of the jungle as well. They are not muslim. They followed the rules of the jungle Okay. Okay. Okay. So so satanic satanic system is all in in everywhere on this planet is ruling the planet. Okay Okay, okay So so we're going to adopt islam and all of the true muslims aren't going to commit crimes But the amount of crime rate is going to go up There's going to be more crime rate if we ever will adopt islam because most people just won't be following it Uh, great strategy. This is this is a great We should just implement islam and most people won't follow it and then the rate of crime will go up But the ones that I didn't understand what you say I didn't understand Adopt islam what happens the the rate of crime goes up. Why yes Why in every country? I said that If you want to truly adopt islam is that to get rid of this uh jungle system Okay, because the problem is from the jungle system that you get rich by selling drugs You get rich by you know selling your body You get rich by human trafficking tell you what rich but yes If you can implement this in a muslim country get a muslim country to do all of these things to solve all these problems Then you will have a legitimate argument, but you don't all of the muslim countries are worse I understand. I understand TJ I understand that one. Okay, and I said that you are going towards that that world. Okay We are small now We have created that one. It's a very small city And uh, no crime happens there. It's a beautiful utopia is perfect But it's a small city and we are trying to you know to Make it On everywhere on this planet and then it takes time. I don't say it take 10 years 20 years It might take hundreds of years. All right, but we are starting. We are getting there All right, I can if I could share with you these people brave people who are fighting against these you know terrorist regime in iran and they want to Bring democracy and freedom and they are loved by christian by jews by atheists by everybody everybody love them Okay, thousands of european parliamentarian hundreds of american senators Uh, you know support them. Okay to bring down iranian fascist regime because they say that they are the legitimate Alternative to this fascist regime and they they are muslim. They want to bring democracy freedom equality between men and women women are On the top in that organization. It is called people's mojahedin organization of iran. So we are We are millions, but we are not hundreds of millions. I know but it we are on the on the right track Okay, so so i'm i'm happy for you. I totally agree. I think that I would be all for your version of islam moderate islam to take over and replace all of the majority of islam And I think that's a good thing. I'm totally for that and I think that would definitely bring a lot of benefits to Every country, but uh, that's not what most people interpret islam to be I understand Well, and even if we did that there's still already a better alternative There's still already a better ideology which does all of those things to a better extent ideology which one better which one human Secular humanism does all of those things better already uh Okay, I ask you about this The the solution, but I know that secular humanism doesn't have that one. Okay. It does. I told you All the problems. It's just one doing the work. Yeah, you said that to put, uh, you know to make it black I said that it is now. It is not the right way The right way is to get rid of the source which those companies will close down tomorrow Okay, they will not produce a single pack of cigarette the tobacco company. Sorry the drug cartons. They will not produce A single gram of uh drug when for example I heard what you said but Is a thing so so even if you shut down all of the tobacco No, I didn't say shut down wrong. Wait wait wait wrong So people will still create tobacco and still sell it even if you shut them down and they will still Stop stop stop interrupting. So the the correct solution is the way the secular nations are doing it through legislation Through working together through voting people in the office. That is the correct way to do it Not just to simply outright ban everything we don't like that's a bad idea Some people like cigarettes some people choose to take cigarettes and that's fine They have a right to do that just banning it would be wrong the correct solutions to do what the secular nations are doing Which is to give people the option they can choose to do it if they want But then to to de-incentivize it so they can choose not to by making it showing the cancer on the boxes by making it a bad color That way people have the freedom to choose and they can do it if they want to But they have the knowledge that that has a bad impact That is the correct solution the secular nations are doing the correct thing and the islamic solution that you're proposing is not the correct thing TJ please when I say something don't change it. I didn't say shut it down I said that if we get rid of the source, which is you cannot become rich by selling cigarette Okay, take away from that system the money system What i'm going to say is the money system that okay, you can produce it for free No tobacco company will uh, you know continue to produce You say to give choice then let's sell Heroin and uh cocaine in the stores and give choice to people. Okay. Yes. Let's give you all right I'm all for that. I'm thinking that we should legalize choice There are many countries that was cured way did that? Yes, we should do that even secular countries They do not agree with that because it will kill, uh, you know, I have made a documentary movie by the way About alcohol. I'm shot it in The the the movie in you know in russia and in sweden I compared sweden to russia that in russia you can you know Everybody can buy alcohol anywhere in russia But the the you know the death rates is hundreds of thousands people in russia while in sweden It's just few thousand because in sweden they have limited They you cannot buy alcohol everywhere. It's just special liquor stores. So Sweden doing it, you know much better. So if you make it available if Then millions of people will die. So they stop If people choose to drink and they choose to get alcohol poisoning, that's their choice They have the right to make that choice banning it is the wrong thing to do Like if people choose to smoke even knowing that they could get lung cancer and knowing they could die They still have the right to have the ability to choose for themselves that they can smoke That is the morally better position. That's why the second nations are better here They are correct to say if you want to take the risk that you can get lung cancer and you choose to take cigarettes You have that right you have the freedom to make that choice The second nations are morally correct to give people the choice that they want to take cigarettes You are incorrect just banning them from doing it. I said that i'm not going to ban anything I told you how many times I have to say tj. I say that banning money No, I said that get rid of that system Which allows you to become billionaire by producing cigarettes or producing drugs or producing weapons So you want to ban money? No, I want to ban the system that We I said I read it Which system like capitalism. No capitalism is the the the devil Okay, yes capitalism has saved millions of lives. It's not the devil Yes, okay, which system which system do you want to get rid of equality equality a system that we share everything with each other Okay, you want to get rid of equality? sorry Which system do you want to get rid of like I'm not following what system I want to get rid of this the capitalism You want to get no, I don't want to get rid of I want to you know, I want that people It is uh, uh, god wants that people live equal share everything with each other. Okay That's why we stand towards mecca every day and say show me the right way What happens in mecca is equality people are equal in that when we go to hajj We dress equal everybody equal no rich. No people we say to god I accept it and then we reject the opposite of it which is inequality Which is the symbol of that is satan. Okay, I say satan is the capitalism So the source of all problems is the capitalist system Okay, that allows the companies those tobacco companies to become billionaire by selling cigarettes. Okay So if they cannot sell this Their cigarette. Okay, we get rid of that. So system then they will not produce it. I don't say ban it Okay, I said that let's share everything with each other. Okay equally love one another I don't want to see hundreds of millions of people go on one dollar a day and You know go hungry because some people want to have Ferrari Lamborghini Bugatti and so on in such a luxury life. I'm against this, you know, jungle system I I believe that I You know, we are not human. We are animals I've said it from from in the beginning that god wants us to be human Okay, and a human is the one who sacrificed for others for his own kind animal So you think that are you do you think that adult fitler was a human and you are a human? I don't think so. Yes. I don't Humans and humans are also animals. Like yes, we're both Okay, what is animal animal is a form or what can you tell me? What is animal? Uh animal is a kind of uh reproductive It's available. Why animal is a reproductive you carry out with uh with spinal cord. I think that that's animal Okay, no, uh, look, so when I say animal, do you come to a form? Do I when I say animal do you come to a form? Do you imagine a form? Uh a form. Yes, like when I say horse You come to a form a horse is a you know An animal an animal that goes on four legs, you know, it's big. I haven't said the red horse When I say red horse You come to the color of that animal as well. Okay, so horse is a is a is a form All right, but animal is not a form. It's a way of life Selfishness me just me. I don't care about anyone else. That's animal for me Human is also a form when I say human Is not a form. It's a way of life is when you sacrifice yourself for your own kind. You love others You know as you Jesus says as well love your neighbor as you love yourself love one another Okay, so human is also for me a way of life. I have heard in all nations I think is this that that person is a real human or that person is a real animal. So if Human is a form like horse. Have you ever heard that somebody say that horse is a real horse? No, there is no such a thing. Yes. I've literally heard that statement Horse is a horse dog is a dog, but there is real human. There is unreal human. Okay Well, so I get what you're trying to say when I hear animal I think of the biological evolutionary definition when they get human I think of the biological evolutionary definition But I understand what you're trying to say but so back to the point Capitalism is not evil. Capitalism has saved billions of lives. Is it perfect? No, but capitalism does work capitalism works better than Oh Can you explain billions of people how? By producing economic sustainability. So capitalism generates Desire for people to work and the desire to people to work produces goods and those goods can then Fill people's houses the reason most poor people have TVs and cars and radios and microwaves is because someone built the technology and sold it to make money And they were inspired to build more companies because they could make more money And so they expanded and built companies all over the world and grew technology and wanted to cut costs They can make more technology and so the incentives of capitalism and making money have inspired people to produce technology that has Spanned the entire globe capitalism is a good thing. It's not perfect But it is a good force to making technological progress in the world And it has done more than communism or socialism or any of the other alternatives And that's why money and capitalism are Even though they're not perfect, they are good forces to make progress in the world And so about abolishing capitalism is it's a different topic. It's a different debate topic. But uh, not a good idea Okay, so first of all It's another topic. I know, okay But from the beginning I said it another thing is that you say that if capitalism didn't exist Then we would still go by you know by a horse and donkey. That's absolutely wrong because Capitalism capitalism has stopped humanity from developing second world war first world war Only my country has nothing to do with capitalism. Nothing to do with capitalism. Of course Only my country only my country could be second japan and you know You know, help the humanity help the humanity much more Then is that now spreading terrorism and you know, uh conflict in the region if capitalism didn't bring our Democratic prime minister in 1953. Okay, so capitalism has uh, you know done a lot damage You know trying to steal Information from each other and instead sharing with each other This is capitalism if we shared information with each other even during this corona virus Okay, if they shared information with each other then they would reach this. Uh, what is it? The the the vaccine much faster than uh, you know Then they did because they tried of course. I heard that in this pandemic They tried to to share with each other, but mostly mostly they don't share anything with each other They keep it for their own companies And they even try to sabotage each other so that they the other company, you know Come to this uh that technology or they had to share that they wouldn't make it So so the whole point here is that the reason that they keep it to themselves And the reason that they can gain profit is the whole reason that they're doing it in the first place If they had to share everything nobody would make it So the fact that people can keep it to themselves and make profit on their end is one of the reasons that people do the work To discover things because they know that they're going to make profit if they do get the discovery So yes, I know it's not perfectly moral. We should just be like just give every Cure to vaccines for free But that doesn't people won't do the work to discover them if they had to give it away for free The reason they do the work to discover is so that they make money So even though it isn't a perfect system It does correspond to our moral nature that we want profit ends things So we will do work if we get paid But if we aren't getting paid, we won't do work And so the capitalist system is more likely to encourage work to get done And so I didn't say that we would not Uh, we'd still be in the stone age if we didn't have capitalism capitalism Accentuates growth that makes it faster. And that's why it's good. It doesn't it doesn't mean we can't grow without capitalism Just makes it faster and guys that That is actually The open discussion. I want to thank both the perfect dawa and t jump for joining us We are about to move into the qna But i'm actually going to hand it back over to our interlocutors for their closing statement t jump the floor is all yours Yeah, it seemed like most of his argument was is that he has a particular interview of islam Which he thinks is the correct Islam and everyone else is using the incorrect Islam and therefore He thinks if we spread his version of islam, we'll see a benefit to the world But most people don't interpret islam in his way. So if we did spread islam They would interpret it in the other ways which are far more harmful and I don't see any evidence of his way being able to be Successfully convinced the majority of muslims to adopt his interpretation. So most likely if we didn't adopt islam, they'd interpret it in the more Vicious ways and so I would not advocate for adopting islam I would definitely advocate for adopting sacroheunism, which does not have the same problems All right I would like to say as well that that's I I said on my opening statement that it is beyond most people's imagination We are living in this You know dimension and that's kind of another dimension Of course, it's because we have been living in this jungle too long. So it is most Probably very Impossible for many people to see something beyond that and I said to you tj that T jump Tom yeah, and that I'm not alone. We are millions and That's interpretation is not just mine We are millions and we are Starting to understand because of the technology because of education. We are trying to understand People for example, I when something I don't understand in Quran I contact a fellow muslim who is arab and he's also educated as well I get help from him that can you please help me with this verse of quran for example And there are small details he helped me so in the past I wouldn't have this opportunity now We have this opportunity to talk to each other and to consider with each other that this is Cannot be right and that cannot be right and so on so And we are starting to wake up definitely and we will reach that This is a promise from god in islam that one day it's going to happen It is an operomic religion actually that one day the world will come to that We have messiah all of us that one day the world will be filled with justice and equality and yes, uh I Was going to say that there you said That people will not do anything for if the money doesn't exist. That's of course that's When we are Want to live like animals. Okay in this jungle. Yes, we don't do anything For money, but if we follow the command of god Allah Then he will reward us we do everything for the reward and he reward us with the heaven and that's why We do even more. Okay. We do much more Beyond your imagination and I have the proof This organization that I'm following they're muslim they work 24 hours They have been fighting 43 years now And they don't get a single dollar for their work. Sometimes they don't sleep in several days They just have a rest when they are driving somewhere in the car or something You know a little bit and so on when they they have to and they have shown that Religion has a great power that can you know make people do possible the impossible. Okay. Yes That was all Thank you both I Want to now remind everyone we are going to be moving into our q&a section This is a chance for you to send in your questions to either or both of our interlocutors T-jump and the perfect dawah We also have super chats turned on so remember folks. Don't forget to like and subscribe But with that Let the fun begin. We have 1990 Uh in malaysian from azira schizofrenia Question for t-jump. How do you refute someone who says physics shows the authority of god over us You learn the evidence for that like It's like saying potatoes show the the superiority of the potato monster over us like you'd have to actually provide evidence or something like just an an assertion that physics exists therefore god isn't actually evidence of anything Question five dollar super chat from richard head says flipper Died for your fins. Thank you mature 40 from pewdew Dawa, are you against iran? And why are you in I think that's mech so maybe mecca mek mek? Uh, no, yes, I'm iranian. I cannot be against iran. I'm against the fascist terrorist isis regime of iran and mek is A great organization that has been fighting two different dictators the past dictator and the present dictator and they have support among thousands of parliamentarian in europe and senators in usa just few months ago What is it trumps vice president and Foreign minister both of them were supporting mek and hundreds of other senators and you know parliamentarian and Seculars marxist christian Jews who love this organization and do You know everything for this organization to bring down the fascist dictator regime of iran So they are great people and I haven't I don't know anyone You know better than these people Who who have left everything for for their their people to sacrifice for their people and their freedom So super chat coming in from pudu again Dawa, what is koran 9 29? I have to I have to uh, because I don't memorize it. So I have to read it Uh, maybe I can uh, if you have maybe you can go another question and I will find this worse Okay, for for maybe tj is that so far trying to find one for t-jump Go to um Question the t-jump if possible. Did you mean sura 2 Dash 214 the order is apostates to be killed quote whoever so Apostosize from his religion. Let him die for it and he is in infidel Unquote Well, I don't care about any of the Specific quotes from the koran. I care about what is the interpretation of people who are muslim So if we're asking which is the better for society, we need to know How do muslims act and if they believe that is a part of islam whether or not it actually says so I don't I don't care what the sura is. I care. How do people who are muslims? Act and believe is kosher to act in islam So I don't care about the sura's all I care about is what do most muslims do if they adopt islam? And that's What's indicative of that islam is bad is the fact that most muslims Think that that is correct regardless of what the koran says who cares what the koran says. I don't know how muslims act All right now. I I can answer that question here one Yeah Yes, chapter 3 verse 7 says that koran has precise and unspecific verses and The true meaning of the unspecific verses of koran is known only by Allah and those filming knowledge So how those filming knowledge understand the true meaning of those Unspecific verses of koran is that they be put them beside other verses of koran So chapter 29 verse 46 because chapter 29 where sorry chapter 9 verse 29 was Saying about christian and jews that if those who don't you know believe in Allah and The last messenger fight them and you know And so on so chapter 29 verse 46 says that and do not argue with the people of the scripture except in a way that is best Except for those who commit injustice among them and say we believe in the in that which has been revealed to us And revealed to you and our god and your god is one and we are muslims In submission to him chapter 2 verse 62 Those who believe and those who jew are jews and christians and sabians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and Do righteous good righteous good deeds shall have their rewards With their lord on them shall low be fear be no fear nor shall they grip So there are many other verses of koran that talks about jews and christian So people take one Verse out of context and say that oh look here Allah says this but you see that in other verses Allah says You know how to deal with them. It is all about those who fight you in islam There is not no compulsion of religion and you cannot fight non-combators Okay, only those who attack you and as long as they fight you Okay, if you want I can bring up the the verses as well as long as they fight you when they stop fighting you You have to stop fighting too because Allah does not like those who start to fight. This is clear verses of koran And then I will have to say that after this right away on my channel I go live and those who have more questions Please welcome and join me on my channel right away after this and I can talk to you Longer there that's right. If you like what either of our interlocutors say both of their channels are linked in the description below Five dollar super chat from mr. Monster Destroying the idols in mecca was an act of terror. Was it not? all right, uh it is um It wasn't mecca. It was in carba and carba was built by prophet abraham For a great reason that I was talking about that that god wants us to you know We want to guide us out of the jungle and that mecca is um and the most you know The most important Place in islam is like that Somebody comes and you know build something in your house That you don't believe and you don't want it there then you want to throw it out. Okay, so that's uh is not you know It's not a crime. It's nothing bad Because for example, you change a mosque that people muslim have built and some somebody come and occupy it and build You know idols there put idols there Then you have the right to when you take it back You have the right to remove them because it is it was yours from beginning you you built it there. Okay So you and there is no compulsion anywhere in islam and you can have your idols anywhere else. That's uh, that's up to you the Your judgment is with uh with god not with me Five dollar super chat from zoexal death for apostasy Is very well established in the hadith Not the koran. It is a consensus among all major scholars throughout history Okay, it's um Yes, many scholars um now They rejected. Okay, and it goes You have to first know, uh, it doesn't because uh, it is like this that every muslim knows that when I die I will be questioned by god, not those scholars If I go and kill an apostate. Okay, and Allah asked me why you killed that apostate I cannot say that the hadith said it and then those scholars they they agree with that He won't punish me because I went against koran Koran says no compulsion religion hadith cannot come and say and koran I read for you several verses of koran that says that their punishment those who reject Those who believe and then the apostates and leave is law Their their punishment is with Allah not with me. Okay, and Allah doesn't say anybody in koran to go and kill Apostates, uh, in fact, it says In many verses that the okay You have no right to kill innocent people or non-combaters and no compulsion religion I can read for you many many verses of koran that goes against that hadith. So any hadith goes against koran is fabricated Whoever say that, okay Thank you and back-to-back super chat from zoexel killing for apostasy Is hypocrisy Because they are killing people for doing the exact same thing that they themselves encourage others to do Was it for me or I am not a hundred percent sure It doesn't have a someone tagged either one of you Feel free to respond though I can read again killing for apostasy is hypocrisy Because they are killing people for doing the exact same thing that they themselves encourage others to do DJ you want to say something Because uh, I don't know if it is a question Yeah, it's a comment essentially saying that If you have a rule that you're not allowed to change your faith And their whole idea is to convert people to Islam by changing their faith and it's hypocrisy Because they are Outlawing the thing that they're trying to do which is sort of true in general No, and I said that of course there is no such a low in Islam. I can uh, if you go to a next Uh question, I will find the verses again and read for them Sure I think I do have one for t-jump Five dollars from kori garoski T-jump, how important what you say is science and skepticism within secular humanism Uh, it's probably like the most important thing most people like worship science essentially in skepticism It's it's one of the most foundational tenets of the the ideology Okay, let me read for you this Chapter 16 verse 106 Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief. So this is about apostates except for those for one who is forced to renounce his religion while his heart is secure in faith But those who willingly open their Their breasts to disbelieve Up in them is wrath from Allah and for them is a great punishment And there are so many other verses. So there is nowhere in Koran says that their punishment is by me or by you know, some You know, uh, some uneducated muslim from a far remote village of afghanistan or somewhere else You know goes and kill people because they they disbelieve. There is no such a things in Koran We have no right to judge people because these people can come to Islam tomorrow or next year or You know in 10 years. So Allah says in Koran that they're there, you know, he gives Let me find the the verse for you very fast In chapter 16 verse 60 61 if Allah were to punish people immediately for their wrong doing He would not have left a single living being on earth But he delays them for an appointed term and when their term arrives They cannot delay it for a moment Nor can they advance it. So Allah says here that it is his decision when he can take out someone Is not my decision. So he's not going to punish people immediately and I have no right to punish people immediately either Okay, because they have the right to repent in Islam So we have no right to kill anybody for for anything except for, uh, you know, self defense And that's as the last option not the first option Thank you. Two dollars super chat from joe schwarz. Can each one of you say one nice thing about each other I'm actually a big fan of his version of Islam I think the moderate version of Islam is something that should be very lauded and Praised because I think that the moderate version of Islam is a huge improvement Over the majority version of Islam. So I think that his work is very important And I am very happy to support his work and his interpretation of Islam. I think it should definitely be more accepted and interpreted by secular nations more accepted his version than the contemporary one thank you very much and I Say also that as long as you try to help humanity Which I am happy that you at least believe in You know secular humanism not that you don't believe in anything. Okay, that's good as well And as long as you do good things and then you try to um help people That's a great thing and We we are brothers in Creation as as long as told me that we we might have disagreement and we have to help each other. Yes I I would be more than glad to You know work with you Then with some extremist muslim who want to kill You know you because you disbelieve or Because you are someone else is the you know apostate. So I I prefer you over them Because at least you are not going to kill people. You know unjustly. All right Thank you both of you 40 rupees from pewdo again. Dawa. Why a la want to test us Um It says no muslim ends me. I think he's saying he's not a muslim yet, but why does a la want to test us? I don't think it's a as it I don't take it as a test. I take it as uh, you know, he wanted to uh, he created this animal But he gave us the ability to understand so and he wanted us to develop to uh, to that human Nature or that nature is a human way of life by his guidance. So it is uh, It is kind of a work I cannot say it's it's a test because you cannot test You know monkeys for example because they don't understand anything So when we didn't understand in the past we were like monkeys or we had Little knowledge then that wouldn't be a test. So Allah wanted to you know to guide us to Help us to develop he he waited billions of years For the moment that we developed like today and then of course we need more to develop and He tried to guide us. I don't see it as a test. Okay. I see it as a as a beautiful picture he had the power to create this picture and he he did it and for me, that's a great picture that he's he's painting that This selfish animal He changed it to to something that is better than angels and he sacrificed himself For his own kind or his own belief. Okay Thank you five dollar super chat from zargos T jump asked the perfect dawah about the extreme Pedo with prepubescence in 65 dash four and four dash 34 Quote wife beating and sexual slavery Okay Let me let me answer that there is no That verse doesn't talk about You know preprescent girls. It's talking about women who haven't seen You know menstruation it is in the chapter women. It's not in the chapter girl Al-Nasar means women. Okay, so Those who have translated or interpreted in that way They just have gone after that fabricated hadith because it says that your wives and their period waiting period is three months and for those who haven't seen a menstruation it doesn't save girls or Who haven't reached for example a page of menstruation and then about the wife beating Let me Tell you that also Chapter 4 34 says that first of all this is a Quranic verses have come to solve problems. Okay, and This was a problem. Why beating was a problem if Quran was for beating wives If Quran wanted people beat their wives, then he wouldn't Allah wouldn't send a verse to Ask people to beat their wife because people were doing that women their slaves women were not human being in Just check During lockdown in Mexico within few months 1000 women were killed in domestic problems in 21st century So Allah didn't need to Send a verse say that to men to beat their wives They were doing it only if they didn't do that Then he wanted them beat their wives Then he would send a verse and say oh why you don't beat your wife? You have to beat your wife So this is this doesn't make sense at all the verse says that men are providers of women by what Allah has given One over the other and what they spent from their wealth So righteous women are devotedly guarding in the absence So husband's absence What Allah would have Them guard but those wives from whom you fear arrogance first advice them then If they persist forsake them in bed and finally leave them But if they change their ways Seek no means against them Surely Allah is the highest the greatest So next chapter Sorry next verse chapter four verse 35 Explain that Allah says leave them because that strike I will tell you also has been used in Quran many times The next verse says that and in case you fear split between the two Wife and husband then sent forth a judge from his family and a judge from her family So not only he has the right to decide but she has also Right to decide to come back or not after he left her. Okay Allah will Case Caused them to reach an agreement between them. Surely Allah is all look chapter four 128 if a woman fears indifference or neglect from her husband There is no blame on that. This is now for women Okay, the men also have right if they have their husband, you know Neglect them. Okay, blamed on their Sorry, either of them if they seek fear settlement, which is Best chapter 33 verse 28 to 31 Prophet Muhammad. Sorry. Allah is talking to prophet Muhammad About his wife and all these verses Allah is talking about his wife. There is no single word to say that oh Muhammad Beat your wife. Okay, and chapter 66 Verse 1 to 5 is the same about prophet Muhammad and his wife Allah doesn't say a single word that you beat your wife Strike is ignored in chapter 43 verse 5. So there are a lot of Verses as I said if you like to hear more you can Come to my channel after this and I will read all those verses for you Thank you question from youtube Uh flaked for the perfect dawah Why should an Iranian follow Islam quote in Arab religion and not Zoyan Zoyan Tarianism quote the native religion of Iran Okay, because um This is absolutely Wrong, you know To say this that um, for example, a european cannot follow Judaism or hinduism or You know other religion. I don't know. Maybe for example, Swedish cannot become a christian because they had also pagan Origin they should follow their you know parents or somebody from Chile cannot become a marxist because marx was uh, you know from Germany this is absolutely wrong when you see something is right Then you have the right to follow that, you know that believes wherever it comes from. All right Thank you question from church of entropy for both Is islam a sect of catholicism? You wanted because and that is for both either wants to go first I think it's more like a sect of Judaism an offshoot of Judaism I don't I don't think it'd be a sect of Catholicism because I don't think they accept Jesus. So more of like a sect of Judaism All right now I can answer God said the prophets a lot of prophets in the past and one by one were completing the other one, okay Moses was completing the previous prophets Jesus was completing Moses message and prophet Muhammad completed all messages as I said in the beginning that God wanted to solve our problems entirely So he put his final message which I read as said that it is equality in Quran And in Islam and gave it to prophet Muhammad so that That message take us out of the jungle. We are living in and everybody loved one another Share everything with each other and get rid of these You know jungle system that Me just me and I'm ready to kill millions of people to become richer and richer So this is my answer to that question that it is the completion of the previous messages not A sect of those those messages. Yes And then a follow-up and a reminder you can always send your questions to either or both of our debaters Once again a follow-up from church of entropy to both Who wrote the Quran what evidence supports this? Okay, who wrote the Quran Quran was memorized by many companions of prophet Muhammad and it was written in partly on different you know Skeen and so on and foods but entirely was memorized by companion of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and because after prophet's death and There were some battles and Some companions were killed. So they decided that they have to Put that put those verses in a book so that it is safe and they did it they put it In a book and it was protected by God so that nothing will enter this book and What the great evidence for that that it was protected by God is that the verse of stoning adulterers, which is a barbarian you know act of pagans Roman pagans they were They were stoning Adulters, but not men. They were Stoning women because men could You know marry as many wives as as they wanted so But women didn't have the right because women were property of their men. So if a woman Committed adultery so they would stone her to death. Okay, and these barbaric acts was was entered to into Bible and Torah, but they tried to Insert it in Quran and they couldn't so what they did they came with fabricated analysis and said that the verse came down but it was written by a goat And yes, it was written by a goat, but which is absolutely lie God would never allow me a sinner to punish another sinner for his or her sin Especially in such a barbaric way. God is the most merciful and forgiving God And I have no right to punish anyone. Okay for any crimes is only God who has the right to punish people Because I'm not the right judge. I only can you know, I only can Treat them to teach them to guide them the guidance Quran has many verses says to his prophet prophet Muhammad the the guidance has come let who believe believe and who disbelieve rejected Let them reject it. You are not controller over death. You are just a messenger. So I'm also Giving the right the same message that prophet Muhammad has given and It's up to people to accept it or reject it. I have no right to punish anybody to judge anybody Okay, so this uh, this is a great Evidence that Quran was protected because those people who wanted to corrupt Quran and they couldn't so they came with this fabricated hadith and said that the stoning Of adulterers came down and it was written by a goat Thank you. And then five dollars super chevrons Zargos, I do see the end of that. I'm just appeasing the to s gods, but thank you for your question He asks 65 Dot four is not an nisa it's talik liar he and Also, what do you call a woman who hasn't had a period yet? So asking me yes All right, there are there are women who have problem. They they don't have their period. They they never menstruate This is known. Okay, or the their menstruation is not Regulated, okay, so they might it might delay months or you know, even Because the period was three months in that verse. Okay, so Uh, the it was not possible for a woman who has not her menstruation That three months wasn't I mean Coran says that these three months is for all even for those who haven't had the menstruation or The their menstruation is not, you know How do you call it? Is not regulated Or I don't know how to to say it but anyway Is for those women who have problems with their menstruation Thank you. And then a question Coming in from Gina Gina from columb My question to the perfect Allah, which one of the 38 different arabic karans. Do you follow the youtube channel dcci? publish scientific research on the thousands of textual variants plus errors Okay, I don't know Who is that because I gave you a clear evidence that That coran was preserved and protected. Okay, and those scholars Who wanted to enter a verse in coran? They couldn't Okay, they came with the many fabricated hadesis. Okay, and said the verse came down And it was eaten by a goat. So if coran was corrupted, they would easily insert that verse as well there They did it with bible and Torah and I say to my You know brothers and sisters christian brothers and sisters And the jews that the most loving god would never allow us to stone another human being to death so those verses in those books are Uh, fabricated. That's why those books are have been, uh, you know fabricated or corrupted But they couldn't do that with coran and they did In this way. So this is if it was possible if what they said is correct. There are some, uh, you know a little bit maybe How do you say it? Different dialect maybe but the meaning hasn't changed the meaning is exactly how it came and how it should be. Okay So the there is no You know, for example, as I said a verse that has been inserted from a man or A person has been inserted in coran. All verses are from god himself Thank you and question from duncan For t-jump. Are you excited for skynet? Doesn't the terminator franchise offer an example of an ideally secular form of civilization? Sort of Like yes, I'm looking forward to ai's that actually taking over it won't look like skynet Uh, we'll have a morality that is placed into them kind of looks like my morality and my youtube channel So no involuntary position of will impossible to force anyone to do anything they don't consent to doing That'll be more like what society is going to look like when we have ai's and yes, I'm looking forward to that Thank you and question from pudu ask the perfect dawah So ask that dawah guy why islam is not compatible with other religions Uh, what do you mean compatible in which way? Do you do you understand? I don't but uh, he can always send in a follow-up to that if he wants Yeah, give an example why it's not compatible why? I mean Islam has the the final message and the The message that humanity needed as I said and then And I don't know what he wants to say exactly. Okay So he better write or he even can as I said can call in after this call in my channel I will be live and he can talk to me directly Thank you and a big thank you for a $20 super chat from doc if it was perfectly memorized Why did the prophet Say may Allah bestow his mercy on him as he has reminded me Of such and search versus of such a surah He's quoting someone sahih al bukhari after he hearing a man recite the quran Uh, once I gotta go to the bathroom, so we'll be back in a minute and amy I put one of the super chats on my channel, which was a question for him if you could read that like last or Back in a minute Okay, uh, I don't know this. I said that this is not the Sahih Bukhari. It has a lot of fabricated hadithes and that Bukhari So I don't believe everything Bukhari has said as he said as I said That he put this he said that a verse of quran is missing and that's absolutely Trash because all verses of quran are in quran. He tried to he and muslim Uh, it's another hadith fabricator who put these fabricated hadithes and said that The verse of stoning Came down, but it was eaten by a goat. So That's why it is not in quran. So they tried in many different ways To put their own beliefs and ideas and you know in in hadithes so As I gave a good example that why it is perfectly preserved That they tried but they couldn't to insert this verse. So they put it in a hadith and I would like to To stay here as well again. I have said it several times before that I want to have a debate with Daniel Hargadjou and because he's You know, he's Misrepresenting Islam. Uh, he represents a very fascist view of Islam and Somebody like me need has to stop him To ensure that he has zero knowledge of Islam. Islam is not what these Backward ices followers You know described so I would like to asking for a debate here on Modern day debate and I asked James last time. I don't know if he has asked this Daniel I call him Daniel ices june Thank you, and then a super chat coming in from garrick Five dollars. Can you say one bad thing? That true muslims have done or do Also have either of you read Tommy Robinson's book or Simon Rushdie. I'll ask t-jump the end But if you like to answer floor is yours. Perfect. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, and I can say thousands of bad things that People to okay, and they are muslim or call themselves muslim. Okay, people make mistake, but of course People like ices Taliban. They do a lot of terrible bad deeds under the name of Islam, which is absolutely goes against the principle principles of Islam And about those book I know about Salman Rushdie that he took fabricated hadith and said that There were some, you know satanic verses that all of these are from fabricated hadiths Uh, and they are not true. They are just Some people were writing books to sell them and become richer And Allah says in Quran will to you That you write with your own hands a book and want to sell it and say it is from God, okay, so Allah You know curse these people Thank you and then t-jump if you would also like to answer They want to know if you have read tommy robinson tommy robinson's book or simon rushdie Uh, simon rushdie, not simon. That's true. It says simon, but you're right. It's probably salman rushdie Salman rushdie's Salman rushdie's uh, the satanic verses i've read most of that one. I haven't read any tommy robinson Yeah, salman salman rushdie not simon. Now it makes me wonder if they were doing a joke because it's both It's tommy robinson, right and salman rushdie, but yeah Send in love to everyone out there Keep on sending in your super chats and questions For dawah, why don't more Muslim moderate muslims condemn actions of radical islamic groups They provide too much coverage for bad actors in my opinion Yeah, you're right. Exactly. They get too much coverage as i said as well that those You know those powers who want to sell weapons. They want to create conflicts. They don't want to you know, um You know cover Such a groups moderate groups and they don't want us at all to you know to To bring down these dictators these You know terrorists to change the the region because they sell too much Too many weapons. Okay, so they need conflicts and we condemn them we Want to we are fighting them as I said the central bank of international terrorism and these 50 Republicans also they said that Joe biden is going to enrich all terrorists on the planet giving them hundreds of billions of dollars He's trying very hard. You cannot imagine how hard he's trying. He's giving everything to the Iranian fascist regime The deal which donald trump here. He's trying hard to go back to that Stupid, uh, you know deal and give even nuclear weapons to the central bank of international terrorism and They they censor us. They censor us very very much. Okay, so unfortunately it is that but we there are a lot of muslims and scholars also who condemn these Things but these acts, but we don't get any coverage here Thank you question form youtube flaked For the perfect awa 2000 years ago before islam was ever born Zoro and I got it right in twice zoro anastrianism Iran was a highly rich country Why would you claim? I ran was nothing before islam invaded it I didn't say it wasn't was nothing. I didn't say I said that We didn't have There was no any equal right for education Only rich could educate themselves We don't have scientists or poets before islam came to Iran After islam came to Iran even poor classes. They could also study. So they studied hard and we had a lot of You know artists a lot of poets a lot of Scientists as I said, etnicina is one of them. Okay. So, uh, though they were Uh, there were a lot of injustice before islam, uh, come to Iran and that's why Uh, uh, some few Arabs could could easily occupy an empire because people didn't want to fight These new ideology they've sold them as You know Freedom fighters or whatever. That's why they didn't want to fight fight them back. Otherwise few Arabs with, uh, you know Just uh, so couldn't occupy one of the biggest empire at that time question from Muhammad Rashid And for the perfect Allah wasn't the me key mek, which the perfect Allah belongs to Recognized as a terrorist organization throughout most of europe and north america Okay, uh This is actually I would like to uh, talk to him directly, but because it's not possible in 1997 97 When so-called moderate President came to power in iran. His name was president katami. So President clinton wanted to appease that so-called You know Moderate president so they put their biggest enemy of iranian fascist regime in terrorist least in in to You know to empower this So-called reformists Against those so-called, uh, you know conservatives, but it turned out that it was a wrong policy and uh, mek went to to the court and in 2003 by the way europe By force of jack stroll British British foreign minister a corrupted man who was kicked out of the parliament a few years ago for corruption That man forced also europe to put mek in terrorist least In case sorry in order to appease the fascist regime of iran, but the two courts in europe and uk in 2009 Removed mek from terrorist least said that this group is exactly freedom fighters. There's like partisans. They are not terrorists So they forced european union to remove mek from terrorist least and a court in washington forced Hillary clinton to remove mek in 2012 because all these courts when it comes to the court and to to justice Meke wins, but when it comes to politic Yes, uh, and mek lose because politics politics. They think about their interests the money The oil the the weapon they want to sell but courts think about, uh, you know care about justice And the courts they order to all these governments to remove these freedom fighters From their, uh, you know, uh, this uh, uh, what is it? sir The the parliamentarian was killed a few few months ago in in london. Uh, sir What was his name ms? Yes, do you remember he was? killed by by a knife man Sir ms. He was it was few months ago. He was killed. He was one of the greatest You know supporter of mek and He was one of them who Fought hard to remove mek from terrorists He was a great man as well and he was killed by terrorists. Unfortunately Thank you. And then a question from muhammad rashid but in a different direction to t jump is t jump aware That on the shahafi school within suni Which makes female genital mutilation mandatory the majority of muslims do not practice this Um, okay, I don't see how that's relevant to what I said So, yes, there are some interpretations that don't do bad things the question is is what did the majority do and is it more prevalent in that ideology than other ideologies and so if there are other ideologies that have less overall Like zero zero female genital mutilation and secularism. That's a better ideology So the point here is that if you adopt islam a lot of people who adopt islam do do female genital mutilation Therefore islam is less good than an ideology that has none of it question from Pew do please ask dawa that without oil and gas Do you think most muslim countries can survive? Don't include secular countries Okay, uh I think that somehow I wish that they didn't have oil and gas because if they didn't have it then The the superpowers they wouldn't have all this interest in them and keep them backward Then instead they would move on and develop and you know, they would be on their own and they would You know rely on other things, but unfortunately because of this oil and gas, you know, for example now this Ukraine christ is mostly because of oil and gas, you know Russia want to secure its way to europe It's oil and gas way to europe. That's why so all this is all these problems is Because of as I said because of money and these oil and gas is also of course big huge Benefit for them and that's why they make coup d'etat. They support dictators in our countries Unfortunately, that's why we you know, we are trying to get rid of these dictators to to you know to develop So that we are not just relying on oil and gas Thank you so very much. I will say these will be the last few questions So if you tried to get in I'll try and ask our interlocutors, but if you really want any other questions I think they're gonna have to get super chats. We're sending love to both of our interlocutors And question From Joe Schwartz Uh tongue-in-cheek if da wa apologizes for troublesome aspects of islam will t jump apologize for his chair Never All right, I had moving right along youtube flaked Question for the pervig da wa. There is no proof that abraham built kava None kava was a pagan temple all along Please provide proof. Thank you All right, uh, I I don't know. I'm not I haven't gone to that uh, archaeology part that But I believe that koran is sent by By god, I have a lot of their, uh, you know Rational explanation at least for Many people or for myself because I was an atheist by the way, and I got these Evidences that koran is a message of god and many proof I have As well and that's why koran says that that it was built by prophet abraham and And I said that it is the final message of god Is the the the way out of the jungle. That's why we stand towards it Every day five times a day and ask god to show us the right way and the right way is equality Out of the jungle system that we are living the inequality That make us to do all bad deeds to become richer and or to survive Those who make one dollar a day They also have to do a lot of bad deeds to survive to eat farmers of afghanistan They produce 90 percent of the world opium to survive Uh, and that's that's the the system that make them to do that Otherwise, they don't like to you know to harm other people. Okay, so this is my answer. I think Thank you. And then a question from shame zomar Asked perfect awa. How many is lala islamic scholars? He has discussed his version of islam with and were they convinced of his arguments First of all, there are scholars of islam that I follow as well as I said that they They agree with me and I said that we are millions and I have had discussion with two scholars One of them was too shame to share with me the video because he made a stupid argument About that verse of koran, which was they say that it was eaten by a goat And he was a scholar. I don't say his name Then another scholar he was also too shame And he was saying don't record it, but I record it and it is on my channel And yes, of course he they they were both, you know extremists and they they they were not agree with my You know My interpretation because they were extremists And one of them was saying for example that we stone people because we want to You know purify them so that when they go other side, they are not going to be punished. So it shows any muslim understand that how Irrational uneducated is A scholar who says that we take god's responsibility here and punish people So that because it become a good deal that I go and you know, I do a crime I Pray somebody or have sex with somebody and then I get stoned maybe five minutes in and then I have the beautiful Eternal life in heaven. Is that a good deal? So it shows very much how Irrational such as scholars are okay I have it my way on my channel The the debate Thank you. And then a question from puh du ask dawa if islam is peaceful Then why did most of the followers of zoetarianism fly to india? All right islam is peaceful, but of course I said that not many Not everybody are peaceful and Some have gone after these fabricated hadiths or wrong interpretation, but mostly after fabricated hadiths and after you know following the the scholars wrong scholars who You know Teach them wrong things because koran clearly says that no compulsion in religion. Oh, muhammad. You are just a reminder You are just a warner. Okay, so The right is You know clear from the wrong and so on so everywhere in koran says that fight only those who fight you and fight as long as they fight Okay, so there is no oppression and there are so many other you know Many other examples that how muslims and jews and christians and other religions They were living side by side in peace in hundreds of years in many many places Thank you so very much question from free samali minds for perfect dawa Are you sunni or shia? Oh, I'm none of them. I converted to islam because I believe that prophet muhammad was not sunni or shia So I follow koran and those hadiths that you know everything matches with koran Even hadiths is that match with koran Then I follow them. I'm not following a You know particular sector of islam Thank you question for your way or yaw way tested by fire Tell your friend t-jump that I would be willing to humble him to the reality of christianity Being an objective truth Is it that Seven days sabbat, you know that t-j. I think he's the guy Have you heard seen him? I don't think so, but if he pays my $50 debate fee he can debate me, but he's way from the pain in my 50 bucks We support that and hey come contact james and all of us in modern day debate We love to have you and all right This is it looks like the last three or four questions Free samali minds for perfect dawa koran 16 to 75 talks about slavery. Do you believe slavery is good for society? Absolutely not. I I have to Read the verse koran always say about you know treating people well and freeing slaves because slavery I said that koran Allah wanted to solve all problems, but He didn't because it was too early He didn't intend to solve all problems immediately So he wanted to solve problems You know step by step because there is no compulsion of religion. That's why he said Hundreds of thousands of profits one by one slowly slowly And that time was not possible to you know abolish slavery You know right away entirely. That's why Allah says that if you do this you have to free a slave If you do that you have to free a slave. So Allah is against every You know oppression every oppression and slavery is also another type of oppression. So Islam it doesn't agree with slavery and Yes, as I said It it wasn't meant to solve all problems immediately but slowly and slowly because people wouldn't understand they were not prepared for For all problems be solved totally even today people are not prepared for many, you know messages of the Islam As I see even muslims are not You know prepared last night. I was You know talking to a muslim youtuber and I was telling them about mercy forgiving and they were oh, what do you say? No, come on. We have to execute Murderers and so on and I was giving them verses of Quran. They were rejecting and they were muslims I said prophet Muhammad says that the best The pleasure you get from forgiveness. You will never get it In revenge and you say that no we have to punish people So you go against teachings of prophet Muhammad yourself So people were not prepared at that time even today. Most people are not prepared. So slowly slowly We have to educate them Thank you question coming in from Pudu To Dawah, I am talking about the issue related to china min-mayor india europe the u.s. Australia each country which I mentioned doesn't have good relations with muslims t-jump your input to So I guess for both of you Yeah, so They don't have I don't know from where he get This china is one of the greatest supporters of the iranian fascist regime russia north korea Europe usa they support iranian regime. They have been supporting in 42 three years Okay in many different ways. So I don't know from where he said china has signed 25 years agreement with iranian fascist regime a few months ago and they kept it secret from iranian people So, uh, I don't know from where he says that they don't have good relations. They have relations, but in a bad way Unfortunately, I don't know Some other countries he mentioned. I didn't remember all countries, but china europe usa So they have a good relation with all these terrorists and dictators Thank you. Oh, and then t-jump if you wanted to respond um Well, I think he was talking about bad relations in that Muslims caused wars and conflicts all over the world. And so the fact that Like there's a big conflict between islamic countries and indian countries right now. And so they don't really get along And he's I think he's asking the question. Why is it that? um Muslim countries and other countries that aren't muslim often get into conflicts and wars and don't get along and he seems to be implying it's because of islamic doctrines of war and conquest and exemplified by muhammad Question from joe schwarz T-jump, what is your favorite thing about islam? Dawah, what is your favorite thing about atheism? This I don't know I said it actually I said that I prefer atheism over those barbarians like ices taliban because at least they don't you know commit all those terrible crimes and but those Yes, of course, I don't accept atheism and I said that I I have said it many times before as well that I Preferred them over these barbarians, of course in any religion any of course even if we say that What is it stalling? Of course, he was an atheist as well. I wouldn't prefer Stalling over anything, you know, I prefer those peaceful atheists over those violent you know, muslims And so we only got two questions left because I can bind the last one into a big one I think tj should also answer Oh, did he ask that's right. What is your favorite thing about islam? 72 virgins, uh, I guess I'm gonna go with that Thank you for both of your answers Wine to get a minute the last day on youtube flake wants to know the perfect danwa Do you think iran would have been way better had it been zarya ashtray in a country and not islamic? Uh, I don't know actually, uh, I cannot predict anything as for example Many christian countries in latin america. They are not way better Despite their christian or a greece They were pagans now. They are christians If they were better way better if they were still pagans or not. I don't I don't think so. So they were During that time, um, I said that it was such a dictatorship that people Wanted to get rid of that dictatorship. That's why they didn't fight muslims at that time So it wasn't way better that time either There were dictators and so on yes And uh with few teachings, uh, you cannot, uh, you know get rid of all problems. Yes And all right the last question of the night It's a big one for the perfect danwa because he's got three sets of verses Can you ask the perfect danwa? about two Dash two two three And then can you also ask him about sex slavery in verses six six dash one and six six dash two I have to read the because those verses because I as I said, I haven't memorized all those verses, okay So I I I would ask him to uh come to my channel and then I will talk to him there And I will have more time to to read the verses And then answer him because I have read the verses, but I don't memorize them. Okay, and I said that slavery And every kind of oppression in islam is condemned And um, Islam has tried always to release slaves by different ways. Okay If you do this if you kill someone you have to release a slave And so on many different ways Thank you so very much. 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