 Welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We're glad to have you still there watching and for us being a part of our conversation Well, I'm sure you already know by now that the presidential candidate of Labour Party The Labour Party Mr. Peter OB has filed his petition to challenge the victory of Borla Tinnable of the All Progressives Congress in the February 25 General Election. Mr. OB who came third in the election filed his petition to challenge the outcome of the poll at the presidential election Petitions Court in Abuja at about midnight on Tuesday. He alleged that the election was characterised by various irregularities including the non-qualification of Mr. Tinnable and his running mate Qashem Shatima to contest that particular election. He also is alleging that Mr. Tinnable failed to win the majority of the lawful votes cast at the election or in the election just as he could not secure one quarter of the lawful votes cast in the federal capital territory FCT Abuja. Mr. OB is also alleging that the election was conducted in substantial non-compliance with the provisions of the laws. Labour Party's candidate is therefore urging or preying the court to either declare him the president-elect in the belief that he secured or scored the majority of the lawful votes during the election or nullify the entire election and order a fresh election. He is saying joining us to provide some context and the background to this of course we know the case is now before the presidential elections petition court so we will be going into the substance and the details to know who is guilty, who is not guilty. Director of public affairs and lead spokesman, the Big Tent, he is also a member of the Labour Party's presidential campaign council and also the convener of the country first movement I'm talking about Chris Wokobia. Chris Wokobia, thank you very much for your time and good morning to you once again. Good morning, my pleasure to be on with you. One of the questions I mean I've been wanting to ask and a lot of people would like to know is the Labour Party's legal team led by Dr Levi Uzoku Essayen paid a visit to the INEC headquarters where they met with the chairman of INEC, Professor Mamoudi Akubu who told them that INEC had nothing to hide but for their application or their move to inspect the sensing materials as granted by court including the beavers as a court order. The INEC chairman had directed the legal team to go to the states. Last time I checked they couldn't even get up to the nine states that they applied for. They had gotten the certified copies of two states. What is the status as we speak? What information and data, what exhibits is the OB legal team heading to this presidential election petition court with following the difficulties that they had in getting these things from INEC? First, let me say as I address this fundamental issue that the legal team is unwilling to disclose all the details that we have but interestingly, like we told the courts yesterday, they have enough information, enough facts and figures, enough evidence and data to obtain the election. The first thing the good team is asking for is for Peter Gregg Robey to be declared the buried winner of the 25th of February election and there are many things that the election, the declared void and the fresh election are conducted. And these are fundamental issues because across the country the election was largely flawed. We witness the greatest electoral malfeasance in our country's history. We witness untold electoral lassemin and that is why since the election was announced, Nigeria has been like a graveyard, it's been some sort of silence of the graveyard. Nigerians know that the candidate the voter for was not announced and Peter Gregg Robey has told us not to resort to illegal protocols or means in our call for the retaining of his mandate. But interestingly, we have a fantastically good team and Peter Gregg Robey is a fantastic fighter. You remember that, that was how he got his mandate in an umbrella state. Also remember that when the tenure was allegedly over, he went back to court. It was true Peter would be that we have what we call staggered elections now because he would have to do your four years constitutional mandate. So I think that when lethargic were not covered, were not lazy about the protocol and the process of getting back this mandate. We're also aware that if the president selects, permit my use of words, if the president selects, selected by INEC, were popular, he wouldn't be going around begging people and asking people to talk to Peter Gregg Robey and threatening those who are aspiring for senate presidency that if they do not reveal on their brother quote unquote from the southeast they will not give the position of senate president to the people from the southeast. I think all those black men will say where the judiciary is done with this job. Mr. Oko, before we move on to the next question, but these allegations that we here can substantiate, yes we would like to put that out there. But we just want to know as at March 10, Dr. Levi Ozoku, SA and the legal team of 60 lawyers had gotten the certified true copies of INEC results from only two states. I think some days ago, two days ago they were in an emo state, so I don't know if that's now three. This is a subject of an petition to the appeal court saying give us leave to inspect senate secretaries. And it was a subject of appeal by INEC. Do you have an idea? Can you tell us how many states availed your legal team of the information you wanted, just so we know? Like I said, I've said it now and I'm certain that we may not be willing to disclose all the details we have. But the information uploaded to the IRA is there. The information from our party agent is there. The ones who've been able to get from the state INEC offices are there. And clearly, I'm quoting one of the lines in the petition that will put me, clearly our legal team has enough sufficient evidence according to lawyers to pursue this case. And you know that was ticked off for details and facts. We are not going to arm the opposition. When they have the details of our petition, they will respond to it. But these are matters in the courts. So I know that every Nigerian, and let me give you a quick instance. INEC has set guidelines. INEC has regulations. The Electoral Act provides for certain electoral amenities. In every respect, INEC has even admitted at some point that there were glitches in the conduct of the 25th of February elections. The facts are glaring. The facts are lucid. So as we talk, what is important is for Nigerians to watch the legal bridge-backs and legal fireworks and with better breath, see for our lawyers and show that the justices who will sit on the matter do justice a quest for a mandate. Because I want to say without equivocation, the Nigerians and indeed the masses of our people, the international community and everybody watching agrees that Peter Grave will be won the February 25th election. Well, you know, if you look at some of the prayers that's been prayed, although we have said that this case is subjudice and then we can talk about this, you also cannot also ignore the fact that some of the issues are not entirely connected to the entire elections. And so we know that you have some that are connected. Well, the prayers are in different dimensions. However, I'd like to ask you if you do believe in the judiciary at the end of the day to see a positive outcome or to see an outcome that a lot of Nigerians would say, hey, because I mean, it feels like it's in the majority, would say is speaking for the people or the fate in the judicial system, especially with the time. So I'd like to cite an example. Remember that the late Ghani Faimis, he had a case against Tunibu at the Supreme Court and was kicked out on technicality as a result of him being a governor and hands immune from persecution. So when we talk about the judiciary, we also look at the fact that in terms of putting out justice or, you know, the entire process, we seem to have a lot of delay in the judicial process. And do you see that there can be any positive light at the end of the day before the swearing in? Because one of the reasons why Tunibu was not sworn in, I mean, one of the reasons why that case didn't happen at the time was because he was a governor and he had impunity. And so when you get to a case where he's sworn in, he becomes president. We're looking at all of this now. So do you see the judiciary leaving up to expectation, you know, before the swearing in date? Let me quickly say that Nigerians are anxious to see injustice done before the swearing in. Your question is very opposite. Nigerians want a new dispensation of proactive judiciary where, at the end of the day, nobody who has a stolen mandate is sworn in. And I think the judiciary will be fussed about it because, indeed, couriers are fired within time and they understand the urgency of now. Increasingly and interestingly, let me say that before now, the fears about perhaps the judiciary bongling the entire process have been thrown away by the fact that I've said about Peter Gregory B, I've said it now in certain terms, faith that the judiciary would do right. And I've said at several forums that my confidence is predicated on the fact that with the facts that we have, if the devil were to be a judge in this matter, the devil would be free, fair and do justice. Because the facts that we have are monumental. The facts that we have are concrete. But let me say that we... Hello? We can hear you. Go ahead. Walk over here. Hello? Yes, we can hear you. Chris, go ahead. Okay. Let me say clearly that what I expect is that the judiciary will be an expeditious in handling this matter because we will want the right candidate. We want the person who won the election to be sworn in on the May 29th. That will resuscitate the hope of the Nigerian people in the electoral process. That will rekindle the faith of the Nigerian people in the democratic process. That will reignite some air of patriotism across the public space. Nigerians want things to be done properly. They want the judiciary that will rise to the ante and do what is proper, try to write. And I believe that they will. And I also believe that they will do that within time. Okay. Thank you very much. Chris, welcome back. I'm glad to say we're being joined by the Director General of the Oregon State Environmental Land Protection Agency. He's also a member of the Presidential Campaign Council 2014-2019 All Progressives Congress. Dr. Brian Moschino, thank you very much for your time. It's good to see you. Your immediate reaction to the news that Peter Obie and Liberal Party have filed their petition challenging the election of Bola Amitibu as President of Nigeria at the Presidential Elections Petition Court. Dr. Shino. Good morning everyone. Good morning to my dear brother, my colleague on the other side of the high. It's not a big deal. Peter Obie can go to any court he wants. That's not news. It's not something special. It's for the mental right. I showed you on the other hand also, it's entitled to file these complaints where will be won. Especially massive living in the South East, in Anambra, where some of his boys are campaigning, like my other friend on the other side. Massively suppressed photos in Anubu, the same thing in play through the same thing in the Habia, the same thing. So many places that will be suppressed, you know, voters and also we have the right as well to defend, you know, those massive rigging by lawyers. I think it's less than a deal for the expression of the filing of the petition. So it's entitled, it's not a big deal. I don't want us to waste more time on Mr. Peter Obie. He's a dissent man. I think he's a great guy. But, you know, we meet in court. So it's not a big deal, you know. But what I want to say here is that none of Obie's presidential campaign council should hang the Nigerian judicial system by preempting or, you know, trying to, you know, discuss or suggest how the outcome will be. They filed their own petition. I think we did the same thing. We also, you know, are contesting some of the major, major, major, major, you know, battleground states. You know, we're massively, you know, the rigging machinery of Labour Party where they put through some civil servant and a lot of things. So, you know, if you are rushed to the court, you know, they say if you rush to the court, it doesn't mean you are right. You know, the jurists in Nigeria are qualified to handle such cases. And I can assure you that, you know, Obie should be prepared for 2027. He has done greatly well. He should go and relax. You know, by 2027, we will see, you know, once actually when you deliver on mismanagement with Nigerian people, you know, making some, you know, some strategic decision, which is going to do absolutely, you know, like the way he did the Lagos. And some of the decision is taken. Of course, by 2027, you will come into the room and, of course, you know, you will try as best as well. And, you know, it will continue. So, Obie should and his team should be patient. Finally, the petition does not mean you are right. You know, we'll see people rush to the court to fight the last petition at the end of the day. They are thrown out. And there are other partners in PDP, you know, the label and PDP are the, you know, best of the same, the same trouser trouser with different pockets. You know, also, if you look at the pattern of the petition, you will know that both of them are working together. But unfortunately, most of their plan, you know, cut both of them most. So I don't want to lose it. Can you hear me? Can you hear me please? I can hear you very well. That's where almost, I mean, we're really out of time, not almost. This might probably just be a last question for you as we, you know, wrap it up. So, as a Nigerian now, not without any affiliation to any political party, would you say, or do you think that these elections, that of the 25th of February and that of the 18th of March, was a free, credible elections that were conducted in accordance with the law? Anyway, I don't know your stakes. In 1993, I don't know if you were able to vote in 1993. If you know, as acclaimed that the election is so superb, is so fantastic, there are pockets of violence in any way, in any democratic setting. Even in United States, you can see Donald Trump in one of the foremost, foremost democratic setting. Donald Trump is saying that there's a massive rigging. There's a vote, some questions in United States. So no democracy will come to you in plain and snowy. Democracy is interest. It's about children. It's context. You know, you have to assuage me, I have to assuage you. So no democracy on this, on this earth that will come 100% perfect. So the last election is credible. If you are saying the election is not credible, how can a sitting, God, no. A sitting lost, a senatorial breath, lost ass of rest, lost the governorship. In fact, Labour 1-4, GDP cleared all the vote there. You can't know. Can't know what sweep away by NMPP, a party that says no, no councilor, no chairman, no. So I'm trying to look at the parameters you guys are using to judge if the election is not free fail. Can we bring in, before cause of time, Chris and Wokobia. But I think Dr. Oshino, I don't know if you've read the, Dr. Abram, I don't know if you've read the United States Embassy report on the election and EU report as well. But Dr. Oshino, Dr. Wokobia, final thoughts on you. Why can't EU, why can't EU, why can't EU, why can't EU, I'm sure anybody cannot tell you because I am a research fellow and I work with EU. Why can't EU release statements when the United States conduct the election and the sitting president is not allowing the election to happen. Okay, so big question. He's saying there is rigging there. They should release the report on the American election. Okay, sir. All right, sir. Dr. Wokobia, please. Can I respond to my problem? Yes, please, go ahead. We can, let me say that for the first time in our history, politicians are defending one wrong with another supposed wrong. Instead of talking about the flawed election, my brother is talking about what he's supposed to happen in another guy, in emo and all that. Does that make a wrong election right? That's one. Number two, the international community clearly said that the election on the 25th of February was largely flawed. Up until now, his principle is to gain the international community to endorse and acknowledge his victory. Even the devil knows that the election of the 28th of February was monumentally flawed. I don't know why we try to defend the indefensible. It was our task force who said, oh, what a tangled web will we when faced with practice to the seeds. What the APC and the supporters of the president-elect are doing is to try to lie to a nation. Let me give you this quick instance. Very quickly, sir. In 1979, about 44 years ago, when Nigeria's population was barely 100 million, you had no voters. Imagine that. 44 years ago, more voters voting for the presidency than the total number of votes cast 44 years after in 2023. Who's lying to? Who is the civil movement? That election should not stand. Can't stand. Okay, all right, all right. That is the truth. We have to go, gentlemen. Thank you, sir. We must ask that you do anything. In Delta State, where you are. In the Kingdom as a candidate. Let INET conduct a first election at the worst instance. All right. And you see how monumental. Gentlemen, thank you very much. We are grateful for your time. We are grateful for your time. We are not talking about the case here because, of course, we're just talking. Basically, taking your thoughts regarding the election, generally, as we've been talking about the election since it ended. But as for the case in court, before the presidential election, the presidential court, of course, the sanctity of the court, the wisdom of the court is respected, and we're looking forward to seeing the arguments by the various parties and a decision made by the panel of judges at that appeal or court of appeal. Gentlemen, thank you very much for your time. We have to observe for ourselves so that our conscience gives us the signal. We have to state that, sir at this time of the day that the presidential election , that it is under interest to the interior party to crucial places, including Parliament which has reached the senatorial application early this week. The PDP has also filed, I think they beat it some time yesterday, so we have the Action Alliance AA, we have ARM as well, other parties are filing petitions and all that. Thank you gentlemen for your time. You're welcome. All right. We have more discussions coming up next, it's quite interesting, we need to give them one hour to talk about what they think. Well we'll just take a break and when we return we'll probably look at the issue of recycling as this has been a global companion awareness in that regard and how far and what can we do with all of that. I mean all the words that you use is that going to be, you know, another way we can actually be useful or productive with all of this is a conversation we'll be having with an expert. 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