 He does resign, he won't get in trouble, does he serve any purpose, but I just don't know enough about it. No, he said, I just don't know. I think that we ought to resign. And of course he never, Bobby never did deliver the votes. Bobby was a cur, man, and was a Johnson, man, and was not in this coterie. And so they never could find out what's happening there. And they couldn't move their bells. It wasn't really Bobby's fault. Bobby tried to help, but they couldn't move their tax bills until Kerr got ready to move it. And they couldn't move other things until people got ready. And so they never did really move in legislation until I came in. But they were laying it on him. This Carmine, whatever his name is, he's done a good deal of that. And I believe now that he is doing it privately for our friend, for your friend's client. That fellow who's an accountant? Yeah, he was with the McClellan committee. He's a chief wiretapper. And my evening reports show that he is accumulating the best wiretappers in New York, private ones, and putting them on his payroll now. And I have running counter with him. Well, he is busy at the private act now, maybe taking this conversation. I saw a memo last night, and the other side, he's aware of everything. I say you're the other principal that they want me to talk to. He is aware of all this. I get a report on him in the night reading. Carmine is busy with employing these folks. One of them was a big one that did a lot in New York, and he's recently gone to work for him. And I think he's doing some foundation work, maybe, for the Kennedy Foundation or the library. They kind of want a history of this stuff. But anyway, that's what's going on. So I don't have much influence with him, and he's never talked to me about it except when I sent for him after failing to get the job done in 63 and skipped in 64. In 65, I just kept hearing it, and they were calling me and raising hell about it. So I called Katzenbach, and the other fellow over. And much to my surprise, because you and Abe and all of my friends had never entertained the very... I remember we talked about it very positively, and so did Abe, and so did... I called him over there, and it was a shock of my life. I think we ought to. Security, I don't know what is that, and what isn't. That's up to Secretary of State and the Attorney General.