 A variety of things, and I think we had a really simple discussion on kind of the original statement and like framing that original statement and the question and like, you know, how these discussions are, I guess, participation, civic participation happens and things like language, things like the context, things like data, and then we also talked a lot about trust in public institutions and how that has kind of changed in varying degrees, and the importance of that in these discussions. Thank you. Get out of the seat. So, we similarly talked a lot about trust. Our group kind of went to various perspectives on different levels of government and some people working outside of government. We kind of got into a conversation around two of the biggest barriers of what, you know, what particular regulatory governance should look like versus kind of the traditional model of consultation, which in some ways is a bit broken. There's not a lot of trust from people that they're actually being heard of and they're kind of having their advice extracted from them and not brought along through the entire process and just discussed kind of the general interaction this morning. Just like I said earlier, let me just solve the accessibility and inclusion, so things like making sure that the language is something that everyone can kind of discuss depending on where they're coming from and making sure that you're actually getting a plurality of opinions and not just hearing from the same people who are passionate about that particular issue. Great. I'm proceeding to the next group, and if we could pick up also like a little piece about how they're measuring their successful participatory issues and see people about some of the great stuff there as well. So our group spent most of our time discussing what we saw as some of the barriers to inclusion and especially for marginalized groups who we found that often they're the groups that are most impacted by the discussion, decisions being taken, but are often the ones who, you know, because they're working new jobs or they're from remote communities or they don't have access or technology, so they're the ones with the most barriers, most difficulties in putting into the decision-making process and trying to think a little bit about how to overcome those barriers. One of the things that occurred to me was that we really found impressive in what Taiwan is doing is the accountability on people's input and the responses that government needs to give which we thought helped to address perhaps the barrier that's presented by a lack of trust or people feeling like their input actually doesn't matter, so we thought that was good. The other main thing we talked about was resolving the tension and we didn't hear too much about this in the presentation earlier, but resolving the tension between the direction provided by elected representatives and perhaps a contrary direction or consensus coming out of consultations and how you negotiate that potential conflict. That's great. Let's get the other side here about this table. We had a discussion about engagement starting from a more human-centric and holistic experience so acknowledging that people experience kind of daily life as a lot more interconnected than what we will often see in governments. So we talked about this question of how government can become more nimble, the idea that no door is around the herbs and it's coming into access services or provided but that there's a frustration that's inherent in being kind of bumped around in the ministry of ministry so finding a way to integrate people's experiences. But also acknowledging or kind of talking through the question of what does digital government between meaning for citizens and the interaction between government and citizens similar to this group considering dynamics of power and access and certain demographics that might actually lose touch with government as we move towards more digitally enabled participation. We talked about, for example, over adults. And the risk with digital governance of the kind of old or status quo methods of thinking within government just being moved to a digital platform which doesn't really solve the issue around participation. Did I miss anything? And then we just talked about our life experiences. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Thank you for sharing your insights and particularly the tension between representative democracy and re-presentational democracy that is both a real tension in practice and also in theory as well. And I hope that the practice that we're going to do this afternoon will share some light on it because using design thinking methodologies at the moment what we're saying is that we're focusing on the common problem challenge statement and so we're complementing but not reinforcing the parliamentary and who handles more of the later, the second time of things. But that is our current balance in Taiwan. It certainly doesn't imply universally and so that is something that we have to create together to discover. And so the quick show of hands. How many people here have at least participated in the consultation here about private taxi companies and Uber and whatever. That was just taken, I think, a month or a couple of months ago of the Uber consultation here. So nobody knows that there is an Uber consultation that's here. Right, so, yeah, as far as I understand that the current version of the PTC or the Uber regulation, was passed around two years ago here. And after two years of practice there's various issues about accessibility about its impact on road and congestion and whatever and the consumerized and unionizing and whatever that's been hearing around places. And so there was a series of consultations that just happened but we haven't seen the synthetic document. So we thought that it would be an interesting experiment to kind of redo this exercise here as a concrete exercise assuming that people here all have experience with Uber or live-door taxis and have first an experience of how these operate. And so if people are generally able to understand that I'll hand it over to Fang Rui who will explain if, for example, there is an impetition about the Uber issue here in Toronto so what we will actually collect as part of the PO network and how the PO network actually works. So you will be in the role of people participating in collaborative meetings in a PO network but using local context. So if any of the statements that you receive doesn't actually apply here locally, feel free to discard because these are power contexts and feel free to just use it as an inspiration and feel your actual local context with the actual PTCs and the greater Toronto area rules as well. So I'll hand it over to Fang Rui. I think our exercise is to the stages that we mentioned this morning. We will start from data collection, structuring and analysis because we kind of agree on to work on the Uber agenda because we want to... A little louder back for the better. Okay, sure. Okay, so... Sure. Yeah, so as we are organizing this workshop, we already have a break-up to work on Uber case. So we skip the PTC and the genocidal part. We go straight to the data collection part. So just to give you an idea of where we are now. But talking about Uber, we are not helping Uber to deliver or come up with a better solution of what they are working on now or better making business for them. We are talking about the problem maybe around transportation. So we can think of what are the problems that Uber is trying to solve. So for example, safety issue, long waiting time for public transportation or maybe it's not eco-friendly and efficient to drive one passenger at a time, et cetera. So we would like to open up the context around why Uber is existing and what are the problems that we are trying to solve. Maybe we can come up with the problem that we really want to respond to and maybe we can come up with a better solution than Uber this afternoon. So in order to work through the from data collection to analysis, there are a few tools that we are going to use during the session. So there are issue-making instruction and issue-call instruction, blank issue card and stakeholder map. So we are at the stage of data collection and data structure and analysis. In order to work on this part, issue-making instruction is the document that we co-created with the CVC across 72 ministries. And the framework of the document is comprised with context-official policy and strategy and stakeholders. The reason why we want to... This is a really important tool that allows us to see the whole picture of each issue. The three parts are... The first one is the context of the issue and the context of the issue part is comprised of problem description. And once we have lots of problem descriptions, problem statements, then we can categorize that into different categories that we can understand those information better. Then once we have those problem statements coined, then we can start making our work what the existing solutions are. And this is not yet... We're in the main part yet, but we need to know what's already out there. So it gives us better information first to discuss this issue further. And there's one thing that is really important to identify the evidence that responds to each statement. So we can revisit them and see if they're true or not. Also, the second part is an identified policy and strategy. And all of the roles are actually linked with each other. So once we have problem statements, we need to also reset what's already being done within the senior service and what are the blockers. Because it's really important to identify the blockers so we can really understand. At one point, we can work towards that. How can we work towards a better future that we can cross those blockers? And also, it's important to identify the future plans as well and possible resources. Because the government, there are so much expectations from the citizens to the government. Government cannot do everything. So it's very important to identify what all the resources is out there. And it can be legislation, it can be human resource, it can be money, anything that can help deliver the solution forward. And about those information, once we gather those information, we will start to, we will be able to identify the stakeholders who initiated, who present those problem statements, who think of the solutions that we can start to map out who is in the ecosystem that we have to think of, who are the people who might be impacted, who are the people who conduct the policy, who is the person who will do the exacting and etc. So by gathering data and letting us say at the same time, it gives us a better sense of who is meeting out. And then once we go through that part, we can start to reflect those information because sometimes we put on the problem statements, there are some times that people don't necessarily agree on certain statements. And the reason why we are mapping them all out is to give us a room to reflect on certain things and it is the, it gives us opportunity to start the conversation and really go on a solid deliberation based on those information. So the instruction of the issue card is the way how we can structure those information in a more efficient way. And I'm not going to go into too much detail about how we can structure those information. I think I will hand it over to the facilitators to go through this part. I will give you an idea about this session and what we are going to do is to open up the discussion around what's the problem that Uber is trying to solve, what is our concerns and what are our concerns and needs that in this context. So this is the, I picked up some of the statements from the police. In the 2015 in Taiwan that their deliberation has become doubtful in how long process. So you will be able to see some of the problem statements and uncertainty which is sometimes questions, sometimes they are the statement that we have to discuss further so we can understand if they are really problems or we can just resolve those concerns by just discussing with each other. And there are also ideas that has already been raised that we can just identify them so we know what's already out there and also there are resources like fact that we also need to support some of the statements. And the expected outcome will be like this but today we are going to use the blank issue card so everyone can really think of how we structure the statement and how we can deliberate on based on those interventions. And also we have another stakeholder that once we we've done with the statements that we can start making out where does this statement come from? Do we have statements from the receivers? So maybe passengers in this case? And do we have statements from the receivers or other administrators or others who might be impacted by other places like association? And during this part this will allow us to see the truth. So every statement can be true but the fact is the world is so complicated and each of us has limitation in order to perceive the world in different ways and that gives us bias but I think bias is not a problem. I think if we can see where people are coming from if we can see more biased views then it will help us to see the truth. So by doing this whole exercise this will give us more accountability and opportunity to close to the truth and we can all work together to a future that we want to achieve. So this exercise will have 60 minutes in the beginning I would like you to think about the question that I just raised when we look at the existing statements that has been raised in 2015 then we will come up with our own statements and we will discuss and inform the context of the issue in each group. So at the end of the session we will have a mind mapping of what we understand and problem statement to maybe solutions that is already out there. So this instruction will stay on screen 232 consulted and there are facility papers who already have practice with this method in each of the four tables so 232 consulted as well and so now it's around 20 past 1 already 60 minutes and that is to say it will run slightly over the allocated schedule to 20 past 2 and so please the facility papers in each table start the discussion and we have one more minute for Alex. Just a small note that might be helpful as I was learning this yesterday some core components so it should be a single because it's so easy to have a very complex idea down in a single sentence and that's part of I think why this exercise is useful to separate out what a statement might contain in terms of ideas that might lump together a problem also the way that you feel about it also the way that a lot of things so the idea is a single idea should be in a single statement and the reference part is about the sources so it could be based on your mother's experience it's still valid source but it does introduce the ways that we can it doesn't compare to for example like a certain kind of scientific study so introducing the levels of source and reference was another key idea that I got the other one was you don't need to categorize before you write the statement don't think of the category and then write the statement and then deliberate and then we can categorize later so I think it kind of go wild and the idea is think of everything possible and then we'll put it on the map and things overlap and we categorize them together and so feel free to as the instruction says feel free to use your phone and our laptop to do actual research on the actual issue here and so now we're at slide so please begin I think what should be the idea is it's very good it's there's like it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it gets somewhere it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's I think we can do, like, you can write all of your own, but you can also just speak a little bit about all your writing and balance. There's one thing I've heard of that was a big thing about states. I'm sure it's true here. One of the things that came after the state of St. Louis was that they did that. They did that. They did that. They did that. They did that. And it was like, it was, like, and so, the public, it was like, we're sure, and yes, we all are. So, it was things to note. So, chapter, it's, I think there's no need for a committee to begin so on. So, what's that? What's that? I guess that person That's fascinating. I wonder if that is, um, I assume that you're going to be able to change your opinion. I don't know if this is going to be a specific case or something, but I'm not sure what, or if it's going to be a specific case or something. And if you feel like it's working or you think that you need to work out with them, and also the more members of the audience, the better the situation is. I mean, we're drivers, we need to be aware of what's going on. Yeah. I mean, in talking to the truth, we had, um, certain groups who just, um, applied the taxi industry, um, so, um, it's a different type of people. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's how we see it. That's what I'm saying. Um, well, from my experience I'm trying to figure it out. I mean, actually, I've seen a lot of people, um, who, are we not, yeah. Yeah. When I bring their name, it was just wouldn't go to their national park. Um, they would just, I don't know, it just, there's no way to address it, it's just driving you nowhere and how are you going to... We have like an extra million cars driving around with that for the fairs and it's probably going to be much better. That's what I thought. We were in the tech store and these drivers are just driving around, right? We don't tax us to the same thing though. You can't just quit an extra million cars because it's a lot of work to get away. So I heard it's causing a lot of traffic. A lot of drivers in Toronto, especially for the people in random places, they stop right there. Like shutting off lesbians. Exactly. But also they suddenly stop because they see the person. So there's a lot of danger. It impacts into other drivers who suddenly also have to stop. There's always an emergency, always an emergency that stops right here. It's always a great thing to do. Things we don't really like to do. But the Uber is trying to solve a shortage of transportation. Some of these are safe. You want to have good information about regulations. I think it has something as to that one's idea. Oh, I see. So with uncertainty, the one we're talking about, which is that if you don't regulate how many Uber drivers can drive around, that's all under uncertainty because it would be like it's going to cause pollution. That's how I'll take care of it. Okay, well I wrote for that one, right-sharing increases useless traffic. Well that would be like a problem. Even if taxis do the same thing, right-sharing increases useless traffic. Oh, I see. But I'm also thinking about that. Also everyone has to feel free to start writing even if taxis. The gas that they use is absorbed by the Uber driver. Is it good size for sodas? Yes. Is it good size for sodas? Which is... Well I'm going to write one. I saw this on the news, I could probably find the reference. Transit riders, that's the highest I should put. Transit riders, yes. Transit riders, yes. Because it's constantly good. And so as a suggestion, you face like pretty intense impacts, and you walk more at the transit user, so I could just try to do that. Oh, yes. I think just like in talking about quality and things like that. I don't really know what kind of phrase that is, but yeah, I was like an Uber user, and you're kind of shielded sometimes. I'm just going to put that aside. Our shield is, that's the point. And also the feeling of the void, right? You wouldn't call Uber. You just think you had an hour. Because nine full ones would go by. People use, it is not so the price, but Uber costs eight hours per meter. Yes, that's right. Yes, that's right. Is that a platform or is it a market place? Or is it a package? It's a problem, there's an emergency. I think it would be good to get out with a girl. And also the transit breaks and then they price down. They must know that the stuff is down and then they be jacked up for the price. This happens because there's a huge, huge issue after we were young, I don't know, a few months ago, and people, I was like, I need to get somewhere. And I go because it's like, it's trouble. Yeah, it's like... On the other end of it, so because Uber and Lyft are subsidized by their investors and stuff, a lot of the time when it's off peak hours, their costs also, like they have discount and especially when it's cool and things like that, it can be too much. It's like $3, this costs me $3 in 7 minutes or like $3 in 40 minutes. I want to help you. So we're not really just basic, we're just talking. We're going to have to spend a minute or a minute of transportation to work in a relationship between different statements. So just make sure to build in some time to expand your thoughts by writing out the statements themselves. Is that a problem or an idea? Because it doesn't sound like an idea. So I don't know anything about this. Something like that. This is like I think the same thing as TTC sometimes. It doesn't land up for a minute and there's like a path to how much you can spend on it in one day of using the common currency. And I came to China and I thought, there's no path and that's not really the first thing. You're a courier, you can spend a few dollars. So interesting. That's an equity issue, right? Or a circumstantial one. Because to me it's like charging more in years. And no one wants to drive. That's a different thing. But I guess that would take. Yeah, maybe that would be a specific regulation. If there's an emergency and then no surge, if there's an extenuating circumstance, like an accident, if I know that we're surging around this, should we do something? Should we do something? Yeah. That's permissory. Wow. Oh, we've got it. Yeah, I know. So based on an urgency or transit, how do we deal with the same cost? And it's like, I think I'm going to be using China for a second. I assume you're going to be using China for a second. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not positive about this, but I know that some happens where it's like, okay, for that I don't think that, yeah, how do they, I don't think that, I don't think that's that much I'm not positive that I don't, I'm not positive about this, but I know that some happens where it's like, okay, for that I don't think that, I don't think that's that much So some of the statements like the idea would get our possible solutions to it all, but I don't think we can find those. Can you just look at the case that stands on the page? So now please take a look at some of the different reference pictures. That's what I think you're all supposed to use. But there's a... Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like if you're looking for safety, so maybe now we'll just kind of look at all the different statements, and then we'll make sure we can find the reference pictures. Can I see the one picture? So right now we're just posting them according to our power. Oh, here's the one. Oh, this is the one you're trying to kind of read to me. What are you saying? Just make sure they ask. Does it come up with more girls or anything? No, we need to categorize. These are the categories? No, no, no. How about one being the wages, workplace, rejections for drivers? This would be the third category, the background checks, the wages, the conditions. Or drivers. The army. Or would the country be more broad? Yeah, that sounds great. I think we can start with the fairly specific categories and then lump them together. We could read all the cards. Yeah, we can do this. Maybe I'll just start reading them all. I'm hoping they're nice to look at. What is the category? Each time we say it, also try to classify it as a problem uncertainty idea or resource as well. Cost, gauging, or flexibility, pros and cons of both. Cap based on urgency, transit, knowledge. So this is an idea of using a cap. We can categorize that as a cost issue for users. This is like a cost for reliability. That sounds like it's like a cost thing, yeah. Over users are more shielded from air quality impacts. That's a question it sounds like. That's a reason. Taxis are able to discriminate and pick up the portion of the taxes. Whereas for Uber, or the way that Uber is done, it's accepted before the pick up. Terrible customer service and no accountability mechanism with taxis. So that's a problem, yeah. They're kind of sounding like your favorite. Caps are difficult to find, not enough taxis on the road where it takes too much time. That's a problem. A lack of taxis. Another ability. Not yet, there is another one. That kind of goes with the discrimination one though. Affordable rates are hard to come by with taxes. Taxis, you're stuck. No, there's one that's not your favorite. I have some. There's not a better experience, but there's one again. Taxis rates are hard to come by with taxis. These are affordable rates, so that's the cost. So that's saying taxis aren't affordable to be given with, even though there's price gaping. Yeah, it's like two different types. Value of taxi licenses is being reduced, decimated by the introduction of Uber, making it precarious to be a taxi driver, and return on their investment, and reducing. So it's making it less valuable to be a taxi driver. Yeah, this is kind of like driving. We got the base wage. The base wage is about $1,505. Which isn't a good or a bad. I'm going to call this one like a resource. I think that's not certain. Maybe. Well, that's a recent study. That's really good. I don't know the taxis. Have a public ombudsman for sharing services. So is this specifically a ride-sharing or just a sharing? Yeah, a ride-sharing. We're going to add the ride route. So for an Airbnb as well. Are you then classifying as taxi as a sharing service, or this wouldn't affect taxis? I'm going to say won't affect taxis. That's an idea. Yeah, that's some sort of legislation. Okay, so ride-sharing increases useless traffic. Drivers need to wait for drivers. So this is against super new regulations. So this might be the other side of the... Uber drivers are also causing bad air. But traffic is more than... Oh, I guess it's still environmental. It's the city quality. Regular Uber and taxis the same way, regardless of how that works. Yeah, so this would be... This is an idea. Have we been adding a little nuster? This one doesn't. This is a problem. Uncertainty. Yeah, so this is an idea of some sort. Kind of like accountability. It kind of just like negates the different things for taxis. Uber has been aggressively avoiding devil laws and taxes, not in good faith. This is what I wrote. That's a problem. Yeah, it's a problem. It's kind of... It's kind of just like... Have a cap on surge pricing. This one's done for us. So that's my idea. Uber slash taxis should do price gauge. Taxis don't tell you how much it costs before you ride. Opportunity cost is hidden. And Uber puts a cost up front. This is kind of an environment, actually. But it's also equity. It's also partially equity. Yeah, this entire discussion isn't specifically why it's so bad. It's like how do we fix this problem? So one of the solutions might be give taxis some way to show up front like the cost we're feeling. If that's what people are wanting. You just get it. You just get it and ride? Well, that's the thing. For me, okay, we're doing this so I won't get into it. But that to me is also an equity issue because you have to have a certain amount of money to just waste tax and grant because you don't know how much it's going to cost. They do it, but you can catch them. There should be a priority for the technical quality of jobs and creating world's scariest work. This is kind of like this one though. Wage conditions? It's kind of like equity instead of wage conditions. All of its men provide sharing for the economy that's an idea. Okay, Uber drivers should be more qualified to make sure they are. And then the expansion given they're self-employed and there's no foresight for Uber drivers. So they have to be better in terms of problems. Okay, it's like a requirement. It's also like there's Uber drivers that are not here and stuff. Equity for drivers? Equity for drivers? Is it a problem? Is it a problem? Yeah, it's a solution. But I'm just going to ask you because traditional cab companies here tend to hire Uber drivers. But you don't have to have Uber drivers. Uber drivers. This Uber provides job opportunities. It's too intense. But no pressure. We have plans. So I'm going to talk to you about Uber drivers. It is interesting though because I've also seen like people who use their cars like then you can charge them, right? Oh, it's like an idea. Yeah, yeah. So there's often something you take into account. Photograph with Uber drivers. I mean in the morning. So one cab shared by a couple of drivers. It's interesting. Is that what you just said? Okay, I'll be right here. It's purple. Yeah. You know it's a different product. It's a different product. It's a different product. It's a different product. It's a different product. I remember my student was going to take it out. Oh, yeah. It was the same. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I remember doing what we started like this. They're just like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so I wrote as a good thing, and then I made a bad thing. It was a purple. It was a purple. And so someone was like, he's just nodding to us. We're crazy. Yeah. The other thing I understand is that a lot of them, if you're not going to be able to You have to see the relationship between class and student You have to find out what are we trying to do And then we find out the core problem All these categories are out of the course So this is a way to help you to look into the future And then we see what are the real and real problems I see on all of these regulations Do you want to stand up for me? Yes So can you please I need a question I need a question I need a question So you're identifying the class connection So ultimately you've got it So is there any relationship along these regulations that have not been agreed on? Do you see the regulations? Yes So you're not from like probably two ideas I don't know if there is no idea So all three of these are Answers The problem isn't there We're going to look it up in private So should we write the problem on this? We should have a proper submission A proper submission Cost gouging Cost gouging is understandable It was just part of it So if you're busy on your students That's okay It's a horrible disaster Yeah I feel okay putting this in there No but this is We're doing this for the public We're doing this for all of the social Notice We're doing this We're doing this Although this was in the beginning Sorry I'm sorry, the ability to know her. I'm not sure if they had time to do that. Well, isn't this a mission to have a taxi out? That's what we're trying to do. So that would be the idea of, like, trying to make you, like, kind of all the good, really good things in place. But do you have to say this would be, like, a safe note to give my name? The reason people can tell us from them is for the computer you put through this, for the environment, you can't keep it in place. So you're at this. So it's like, it's just a question. Well, this is a weird thing. No, it's an estimate. And if the estimate is way more than a complaint, and they'll get it in just a few minutes. So I'm always, I just say whatever it says. I don't get it. I put you at something like this. I'm just like, oh, stop. I mean, you're at the end of your life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can arrange it in each of them. 12. But you, like, would you like to select after that range if it's your number? I'm great. You accept the ride, you go. Okay. I mean, if it's your number, and I'm going to complain, I don't know. So I might suggest maybe this isn't a problem. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Alright. Okay. Okay. Okay. So then, I don't see the difference. We're going to have to check on the bill right now. I'm really curious about what the bill is going to be like. I don't even have to know what they can do in case we're going to be crossing. I don't know how to say that. I don't know what they're going to be. So they can't do that. Yes. No, we're trying to help them. I mean, I do think that's the difference. Yeah, because also in the measure time, you're going to be able to see the difference. We can't do that. Yes. We have more time. So it would be a mighty part of this. That's right. And who goes back to the monitor? It's easier. Yeah. And just do the best interest of the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's just there. So the two of us are not. Yeah. They have like harm. Oh I don't think it's a problem, it's not that much to do with it, I can't like see how it's going to work out. It's tough to, like, it's tough to be doing something with the opposite of what you're doing. It's tough to be doing something with the opposite of what you're doing. So, they have, like, in the class, they don't have any enforcements. So, back to the legs. No, there's no enforcements. But they can make recommendations, they can make recommendations. But I'm not going to recommend enforcements. And they can support, you know, the city, you know, how they would centralize it. And that's opposed to where they make recommendations. So, they're going to make recommendations. But there still needs to be a layer of city regulations. Yeah, a minimum. So, they need another idea. Maybe it's in these problems here to be honest with you. Okay. So, where has been aggressive with the board of local laws and taxes? Not a good thing. I don't think this would be here, right? It's a different thing. It's about, like, training drivers. 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