 Welcome back to the breakfast here on Plus TV Africa. Our final conversation this morning is going to be on the Navy recruitment, which the House of Reps of course has acts that be suspended, because it doesn't seem to show or use a federal character with this recruitment. A couple of days ago a list was released on social media showing that about 44 names on a supplementary list to be recruited into the Navy were all from a particular part of the country. This morning we are going to be speaking with Mr. Yahuza Getzo, who is a security analyst. Good morning and thank you for joining us. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you for having me. So I'm sure you must have been following this story. Quickly share with us if the House of Reps is right to have acts for the suspension of this recruitment process and also to look back at what the recruitment has been for the last couple of years. Do you think that they have made the right move here? Well actually this make a lot of sense and this is a message to all of us that we have started to look at the issues realistically and if we could do that in all the security units, I mean all the security agencies, this would help the country and it is good for us and this is part of the reasons why we are having so many imbalances and check-on imbalance. If we could do that in all the strata of our administration not only in the Navy, in the DHS, in the Army, in the police, this will help the country and they will change some of the grievances that regional grievances, religious grievances, traditional grievances among other grievances that we have in the country which is still not helping us to move forward. Where do you think the problem is here? Is it that some of these requirements are carried out without competence and qualifications in mind but instead tribe? What the two you mentioned? The major challenge that we have in the country is the fact that this is what has been happening over time and we do have experienced this overlap and it has been affecting our performance in terms of governance in terms of delivery of the responsibilities of the agencies of the government and both at the state and federal government. So that is one of the reasons why we are unable to achieve dealing with the security situations that we have in the country in the south-south, in the north-west, in the north-east, in the north-central and everywhere because you have in terms of seniority in terms of posting, in terms of recruitment, you have all these challenges. So in most cases you realize the fact that those who were recruited in the last 27 years in almost all the security formations were not recruited based on merit, based on qualifications but rather the highest proportion of the recruitment done was based on religious sentiments, tribal sentiments regional sentiments among other sentiments. So most of those who were recruited, that is why you don't have the passion for the job. That is why if you send them to face the criminals, the bandits the IFO, the ESM, the Boko Haram, the ISWOLF and whoever type of criminals you have, they don't have courage they don't have confidence, they don't have passion so they are not ready to face them. And that is one of the reasons why you don't have patriotic military anymore because most of them, as far as I'm concerned, they are not patriotic they don't have passion for the country likewise the staff of the personnel of the DSS, personnel of the police and all as a security apparatus because the recruitment is just based on who you have and who recommend you or who provide your name and not those who really applied that are being recruited so in most cases you find that those who are polite are not those who are recruited it is the children of the Amier, the children of World Scholar the children of the Bishop, the children of Mr. A, Mr. B the errand boy of Mr. A and likewise even in the rank and file the political fox, the councillor will bring his list the local government chair will bring his list the white heads, the village head, the district head and each of the emirates submit their list we have all these evidences and we have been presenting them and we have been discussing them over time so you only employ the recruitment only recruits those who have the parents of the godfathers as we have been saying and that this affect you to only the navy and not only the scruple operatives but the general public service and until and unless we are ready to do something about this then Nigeria will move forward and that is one of the key reasons why I have an argument that we really believe in Nigeria or we just have a defined territory called Nigeria but we don't believe in what really the territory is being called because we don't have passion for the country simply because of the injustice in recruitment in placement in appointments among other things and that is one of the reasons why we are having agitations of Odu Dua country that is the reason why we have agitation of northern elders whatsoever the so called northern elders the so called southern elders the so called Yoruba elders the so called agitators of the BFR these are some of the injustices and that is leading to all these agitations so as far as I'm concerned I have looked at the list time over and I criticized many of Nigerians especially in some of the social media groups where I belong to I asked them what have you done are we discussing it only in the group or have you made any submission to the navy or to any of the line ministries that may have such imbalances because until and unless we document it you write as a person you write as a group you write as an intellect you write as a professional then the system will listen to you and then the name will be done so I really commend the national assembly for taking this very good gigantic step because they too they need to check themselves because they are contributing seriously into this because in terms of appointment I realized that even the ASU that is the association of of a technical academic union have for kick against some of the directors recently called it and the national assembly members and the senators also bring in some of their friends and others and that is why I even kicked against the referendum that was called that if we are really going to have the referendum it should be the communities local communities local governments should be allowed to nominate the people they believe they can go and speak for them the pump up that was conducted during the vote of the village and the one that was conducted during the sign abacha both the two presidents invited only their friends their teachers their errands and their associates so but if you allow that is why we don't have anything useful and the report is here to be implemented Mr. Gesso yes Mr. Gesso indeed you have taken your time to explain you know the reasons why this looksidedness in appointments take place you know in contravention of the section 13 you know of the constitution that talks about federal character that you know for the purposes of national unity and all of that everybody needs to be included so you've told us about the dangers as well quickly can we have your recommendations about this what what really should you know the House of Reps begin to do should there be an investigation into you know people who are predominantly from one part of the country that are in these agencies and should they also begin to say let's find out exactly how this people came in and if it's not based on merit we'll lay them off and serve this as an example for others what should be the way forward Mr. Gesso in a few minutes well I think we have already invested so much in training them in building their capacity some of them are now CP's some of them are current some of them are major some of them are brigadiers so what we need to do is to draw a line and move forward because if we say we have to lay them off the investment so far Nigerian made in training and building their capacity and so on and so forth it will be a waste and the material for the material time that you are complaining that would have you an adequate person if the present security challenges would have laying them off will never be a solution but let's draw attention and um alright Mr. Gesso we're losing you there but I think that's a perfect place to wrap up we thank you for sharing your thoughts regarding this you know looksidedness when it comes to appointments not just in the military outfits but like you mentioned across the public service even in the private sector we have these issues where tribe seems to precede merit and you know capability but yes that's the much we have for you this morning on the breakfast it's a very beautiful Wednesday the 15th of July 2021 we'll say bye bye at this point I am Annetta Felix and I am Osauge Ogboa see you at nine