 People say you wanted to be black, but people try to hear it all the time. Yeah, I'm about to figure that. All the time. And you know, I wanted to do something to differentiate myself from the last white rapper. And at that time, it was Vanilla Ice. To the extreme, I walk a mic like a vandal. Light up a stage and watch the chump like I can't do a dance. I grew up just thinking that boom. It was. Who left a lot of bad taste in people's mouths. And you know, Eminem hadn't come out yet. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one. One on one. Yeah, we gon' talk. I wanted to go back to, you know, growing up when you were growing up and you you're being introduced to this type of music. Um, how many white boys you saw listening to this music and we to follow it the way how you were. So what was really unique about my situation is, uh, we lived in a nice looking house, right? Uh, the factor of that is my dad was unemployed. He got laid off from Coca Cola when he was 55 years old. Nobody's hiring a 55 year old maintenance again. My mom was a stay at home mother. She, her job was taking care of the kids. And when I grew up, I knew what food stamps were. I knew what government cheese was. You know, we might look like we had a nice house, but we heated our house with our oven. I didn't understand that that was a poor quality until I went to school and somebody was capping on somebody about you. So poor you eat your house by the oven. I was like, wait a minute, what are you talking about? You know, but at the time I went to a predominantly black high school, you know, West Bay. We tease and we call it the future prison for, you know, inmate, right? But it was just a predominantly black school and a lot of the friends that I had were, were black, you know? And so for me to be in that situation, it was just what my surroundings were, it wasn't, I was trying to be black or want to be. I just enjoyed rap music. You know, my brother had listened to, you know, Run DMC, the fat boys, the beastie boys. That was all down his pipe, you know, when it came to my turn, I was, you know, listening to DJ Screw and Street Military and UGK. And that was my music. Three, two, that was my music, you know? So did people say you wanted to be black? Yeah, that's what I was. All the time. Yeah, I'm about to figure that. All the time. And you know, I wanted to do something to differentiate myself from the last white rapper. And at that time it was Vanilla Ice. To the extreme, I walk a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and watch the chump like a candle dance. Because I was just speaking that boom. It was. Who left a lot of bad taste in people's mouths. And you know, Eminem hadn't come out yet. Dear Slim, I wrote you, but you still ain't calling. I left myself, my pager, and my home phone at the box. And so at the time of by-prescription and Eminem, you know, DJ Screw and I had plans to be the Dre and Eminem of the South. Go on tour with all that and do all the support and everything else like that. Unfortunately, he passed away and we weren't able to, you know, fulfill that dream. But when you grew up in that area, you didn't think twice about our skin color. We were just boys, we were, you know, homies or whatever. So nobody really, you know, separated the black white thing until I started working the radio angle, you know. Now it's a different story. Now, does he get his record played because he's privileged, you know, what's going on with this, you know, type situation. And so, you know, you get a lot of reverse racism, reverse racism sometimes, not all the time, but we'd go to the National Black Programmers Convention, you know, we were the only white people there, you know. All the time, people always either thought we were the cops or like what those white guys doing over here, you know. But I had a question, but with you doing that and seeing so many things, do you agree with that term that because you are white, it gets you into certain doors when a black person might not be able to? Oh, totally, totally. And listen, when it came down to the Fed case, I asked where my white privilege was at. I was like, wait a minute. You did not. Yeah, I was serious because I'm told all the time, oh, you're good, don't worry about no long sentence. You guys are gonna do 36 months. I ain't got to worry about no time. Listen, sentencing came, I got four points for being a leader organizer. Wait, we're gonna go there, but I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I did not exist. I did not exist, it separated the poor and the rich and I was in it, I didn't have enough money. Let me ask you this. Okay, got it. When it came to your music, evading the n-word, well, I've seen it, as other guys that have come up on the scene that used the n-word and some, some of them regret doing it and it was white guys, right? How do you open it? I don't know. Just pull it down. Just put it down. Okay, there it is. So, what were your thoughts? How did you, were you ever challenged with those facts of the n-word or did you ever, people come at you wrong about that or around you whether it was white or black? So, it could be an all white crowd that did it. So, even though I actually hold a card, right, in the hood, I got my hood passed, I don't use that word, right? That word evokes a lot of hatred, right? If I use that word, it's really bad, right? If we're in a surrounding and we're friends and you're using it towards me or whatever, I understand, but I will never ever say that. That word won't come out of my mouth in music or around friends. I don't own that word. I don't believe in that word. It's not something I grew up on. A lot of my friends were black growing up and so that just wasn't even a thought. How hard is it though? Because when you're listening to rap music, you hear that word thrown around a lot. If that's the only word you can rhyme, you need to go get a rhyming dictionary and you need to go get you a vocabulary and come and see me. If that's the only two syllable word you can think of, then you're in a bad situation, you need to get your game up. Yeah, like I said, it was other people that were doing it that were white and it caused a big friction and the thing is, it's like, I get it, but I'm so old school, I could never, you know, I could never get on with that. You know what I mean? But at the end of the day, I heard people saying, oh, he was around this or they've been around these types of people and you just said to the fact, no, that still doesn't give you the right to do that. Not at all. Especially with what everybody came through and Jay-Z seemed to think we use it because it takes the power away from, cause I say it a lot, I ain't gonna lie to you. But at the end of the day, I feel some type of way, you know, when somebody that's not of color or even Hispanic, you know what I mean? Like I've been around, I've been like, man, should I stop using that word? Because if I don't wanna hear it, I shouldn't maybe even be saying it. You know what I mean? That's a good attitude to have, but the truth of the fact, it's part of the culture, right? It's how friends greet each other, right? Is it wrong? Probably, but what you interpretate a word and what you think the meaning is, it's how you receive it, right? Exactly. How much power do you put into those words, right? Some people don't like the word idiot or, you know, nowadays, you can't say retard, or you can't say faggot, you know? But growing up, those were just words we just used. There was no real meaning behind it, but nowadays, you'll get canceled for it. You know, you said the n-word and it's a whole big, blown-out-of-proportion deal. Listen, it's part of the rap culture. I don't use it. I don't prefer anybody, you know. Listen, if you use it in conversation, I'm not gonna hold your feet to your fire, say, listen, I appreciate our friendship, but would you please stop using the n-word around me, it offends me. Come on, you know, like, get real. But it's part of the culture, and that's what it is. Yeah, I know, I wanted Willie D to come on the show, and I heard him say, don't use that word. He was telling somebody he was interviewing, I said, maybe that's the reason I ain't got Willie D yet, cause I said a lot, that he would be on the show. Funny thing, I hate, I don't like to listen. But I like, because being from somewhere else where people don't want me to say that word a lot, and then to come here and hear, even when I came here and I heard people saying that black person or that white person, I'd be like, shh, don't say that. But it's become a thing where people don't understand what you're saying unless you say that. You know what I mean? So it's like, not to say you adopt to it, but you know when and where to use it, so to say. Well, back in the days when George Jubs and them, they would use all counter words, him and Archie Barker. I'm not getting excited, I am getting mad. Listen to me, that's what happens when you mix black and white, 10 more seconds he's gonna call a nigga. And that's right, and you could even get those played today. 10 more seconds he's gonna call a nigga. Listen to that, I ain't used that word in three years. Yeah, you couldn't hear those today. No. They'd cancel you instantly. Like, for real, for real, for real. Archie Barker, yeah, he would get no play. Sorry, he gets no play, yeah. But, you know, like I said, you know, there's friends, they use it in conversation, you know, I just stay away from it. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk.