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The streets. Who in the streets? The streets be callin' you. Are you a Christian guy? I ain't a Christian guy. Ah! Let's talk about it, man. Let's get into it. So, born and raised? Born and raised. I'm a native. It's fine as I'm the Pyramid of fine. I ain't livin' Louisville, move down here. None of that. I'm born and raised in Dallas. Born and raised in Dallas, I'm born in Medical City. Really? Yeah. Heart of Dallas. Heart of Dallas. Okay, so siblings? Yeah, I got a total of four. Four. Four. Are you oldest? No, I'm a middle child of my daddy eldest. Okay. Okay, so your daddy was in your life? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that nigga name. Oh, your junior? Nah, I'm the second. My son got my name. Okay, that's dope. So, what was it like growing up in Dallas? Were you in football? For me, shit, I grew up. Your basketball, you taught a tall. Yeah, I'm tall now, but I ain't get my height until later, for real. Oh, you a lay bloomer? Yeah, I'm a lay bloomer. That's how my son and my son keep asking me, like, mama, when am I gonna blow up? Like, you know, I'm not gonna be gonna come when nobody's gonna expect it. Don't worry about them girls right now. Just wait. They gonna regret it. It's the biggest thing for sure, but shit, for me, I lived in North Dallas in a, off of Montfort, and shit, up until I was about self-made. Then we moved to Oak Cliff, and then that's where we been residing since forever until I left and went to the military. So I said, yeah, yeah, I'm a veteran. Yeah, I told you. You so young, talking about you a veteran, and you so young? Oh, yeah, I'm a veteran. I thought I was a military man. I mean, that don't make no difference if you don't be good enough. No. Yes. You look like you about 19 years old. I appreciate it. You did five years. Five and a half, I'm the real K-Batman soldier. My daughter been in that for, I love you. I love you. I'm a soldier. You know, this army ain't about that life. This is a Navy. Y'all is great. Air Force. This is Air Force and Navy. Navy, ain't a Batman for real. Coast Guard, ain't a Batman for real. Me, I'm a ground fighting force. I'm a soldier. A soldier. Cause they say, cause one thing I realized, cause we've had a lot of people who've been in the military on here. And it seems like it's harder to get into the Navy. It's harder to get into the Air Force. Army, just be like, y'all come on over here. Yeah, cause those are more like a collegiate requirements. You know what I'm saying? Air Force, you can't even have a bad credit score that kick ass out of the, no booze sex. So it's like, I was. That's why they look down on the Army. I mean, they just got a lot of money for real. That shit is like for, that's the hover of the military for real. So they got paid better. Nah, they pay the same for real. Really? For most boys, ain't too much. If it is different, it's going to depend on the location. So tell me, going into the military. Cause you know, we civilians hear different stories and stuff like that. But going into the military, what was a story that you heard about before you went in? And when you went in and you're like, it's not, no, it's not all that. Like what people make it sound like. I don't think it's made. It seemed like a basic training or something. I mean, nigga like me, y'all from Oak Cliff, I caught the, I had played all sports. I used to catch the door bus in middle school. Like I ain't, and she got the, again, all us life in that motherfucker. This is everybody from everywhere. Backwoods, the Oregon, I had met racist motherfuckers from everywhere, hold on, but they thought it was, it ain't not. It's all just talked up to be, don't get me wrong. That shit really a culture shock. And it really had you fucked up at first. But yeah, that's how that- Could it be in your face? Yeah, they do that shit, I ain't gonna lie. When I first got off the bus, yeah, them niggas were cheering. I remember that shit. I mean, they weren't like the most like, it just stuck with me because the one nigga showed up in a suit. They had that nigga doing pushups in a suit. No. They played that nigga boy. They played that nigga. They recruited, the recruiters played games like that. They'd be like, yes, wear a suit, pack a lot of clothes. No, nigga don't, don't come with nothing. You're not wearing that shit. They youth in a cut, they from the skin you bought. You know, I came in that house looking like I ready to run. That's how you supposed to show up. Well you, who else? And you know, when you think about how you came into the rap game, like you kind of did it different, right? Or did you always rap? Well shit, I was always a creative. You see back in school, I used to make like videos, you know, when back when niggas were scoring on people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've always been a creative, you know what I'm saying? I was real popular at my school. I was the nigga that would be scoring on niggas, you know what I'm saying? He said I'm the nigga, you know what I'm saying? Let's reach that lunch and do shit like that. But as far as making music, I ain't write a song until I was 20. That's crazy. You see what I'm saying? But then again, see my military experience was a little bit different. Now, all five years I went on no military shit. I had caught a lot of charges while I was in the military. In the military? Yes, multiple. That ain't your first time here. And that's Mr. Servo got Mr. Servo on the same thing? Multiple, multiple. More than I care to admit. More than you got to cry. So you had a dishonorable discharge? No, no, no, no. See, I'm on the roof. Now you catch all of them. Because I'm a smooth nigga. That's what I can't understand. Because people, because he got this dishonorably discharged. Yeah, he did. I would tell you what, I caught 12, beat a living, and I still got out with a general nonnourable. The real K-Pap, again. So, I mean, one thing I can say is we know when you go through what you went through to get where you at today, would you change anything if you had to go back? Nah, not with the military. A couple of decisions where I made in there though, you know what I'm saying? Like with my baby, yeah, I would have did a couple of things. Yeah, all that the kid thing, seriously. Yeah, that should stick with you for sure. You're a father? Yes. That's all. And you had a child while you were there? Yeah, yeah, while I was in the military. Well, how's the child doing now? You looking at? Now, shit, man, it's a fucked up situation. You know how you got them baby mamas and one that just don't really want to do it. You know what I'm saying? My oldest, my oldest boy. I got two biological children, but I have four. Yeah, I just look out for two. Of course, and it's forever gonna be that. But my little boy, he living right now, I just found out he in Boston. Wow. He used to live in Georgia. Him, I mean, Tim, this has a recent type shit, but he artistic too. Wow. Yeah, so like I had my little boy by itself, you know what I'm saying? His mama went out to the military, you know, just when I first caught my first couple charges. And she was just looking uncertain and shit, you know how that shit be. Was it domestic charges? No, no, that was some other shit. Okay. It was violent, but you know. Not towards her or the baby? No, yeah, no. No, the reason why, because I'm saying like with them moving and I have to tell you and stuff like that, I didn't know if that was like, you know. No, no, no, no, she. Yeah, that's why. I was a bit despicable. Now I had my little boy by myself, like my mama eight and a half hours away, I took my nigga to daycare, I went to the gym, got our work hold nine, took my nigga to eyes appointments, et cetera. And you paying child support? Huh? Yeah, I had to put myself in child support to get to see my nigga. I was about to say, that's how you know where they are. No, no bullshit. She alienated my nigga for me for 17 months after that. I couldn't even leave the state of Texas. Really most of them in the military, but you know what I'm saying? He'll be back. You ain't got to worry about that. He gonna find you. You don't have to find him. No bullshit. That's the way it go. But you definitely make him wait. You did that Mike chick thing with the go Diego. Yeah. How was that? Man, that was just making moves. I had a tape drive and that shit was so crazy. I had a tick tock account. My shit at like 700,000. But before that song came out, which was on the tape, the Ottawa Stepper Tape, they took my account, lost that bitch. So I went from 700,000 to about 600,000. What? Man, I was sick to my stomach. Oh, I remember the moment I went, the whole room got blurry. I said, God damn, they got me out of there. Cause I was like, damn, how the fuck am I gonna promote my tape? You know what I'm saying? That was my biggest platform at the time. So I did the Mike chick with this about this shit. I just took it. I was in Brownsville, Texas. Took that bitch and just posted it. I was like posting, some of my fans can find my new page. You said I'm at West Texas? Brownsville, all the way to the border, by the border. Somebody down by the valley. Yeah, okay. It's just a couple of them, but yeah. That's hard right there. So you put you going down by the valley. I wasn't living down there. Nah, man. You going down by the valley. So why did you choose down there? I wasn't living down there. My guys, I was down there, my guy had surgery. I wouldn't, it wouldn't look shit like that, but, I wasn't living down there with the folks. I got the tape, I bought a patrol there too, man. They were hoes. I had a warrant back in that day, but, neither here nor there. But again, I posted that bitch. I was like, posting some of my fans can find me. Post that bitch. I went to sleep. Woke up viral. I went up 30,000 new followers, 100,000 views, about 200,000, 300,000. This TikTok, this TikTok, this is like eight, nine hours. Presentated people with about a million views, but after that one video, and of course me backdoin' it a couple of times with a couple of new shit and et cetera. But yeah, that song, God, yeah, go over the mast over 10 million streams. That's my biggest song. How important is it when you come out with a song to make sure that you hit those main platforms, those main social media platforms? Especially if you're independent. That's just as important. You know what I'm sayin'? A lot of niggas that you'll follow a nigga like a Key Glock or a nigga that's up there. You know what I'm sayin'? They ain't gotta post that shit. They got a machine behind them. But if you're an independent artist, ain't nobody gonna know shit until you post it. Yeah. As I say, I got a pie case, but nigga ain't never seen no damn content. You see what I'm sayin'? So it's like, that's real important. That's like step one. That's marketing yourself. So how often do you think you're supposed to, as an artist, post during these times? Times have changed. At least every day. Every day. At least, and I say at least, cause you should be postin' at least two, three times a day. I agree with you so much. Especially if you ain't got no damn money goin' behind your shit, you know what I'm sayin'? I mean, of course I added a little dollars. You got to. You know what I'm sayin'? The more, the merrier. But if you ain't got nothin' goin', yeah, you need to post every day. If you're growin', especially this damn age, you could post some shit, go viral, and then tomorrow the conversation is different. Wow, what's the most surprising thing that you've experienced since you've been goin' viral and people been knowin' who you are? Like, what's happened that took you by surprise? What took me by surprise is, see, that it could happen to me. That it could actually even happen for you like that. That's hard, man, you know, because everybody tryin' to do it. You know, everybody ain't goin' viral. It's a lot of people that, you know, they jump up and they do these songs and they can't get nobody to look at them because really what it's tellin' them is that your talent is not there yet because if you postin' and taggin' the right people in and nobody's respondin' to it, you just got a lot of work to do. And I think a lot of times I love the internet because it tells you the truth. Like, it tells you, this sucks or this is good. A lot of times it sucks and people don't wanna hear it so they be like, oh man, I gotta be, I'ma take that down and do it. No, nigga, you gotta be, you gotta get your craft together. You know what I'm sayin'? That's the thing about it. You know what I'm sayin'? Of course, excuse me, with black men, you know, it's always gonna be a, some kind of anxiety there when people doin' things. You know what I'm sayin'? Most people, you know what I'm sayin'? I don't know if this good or not. You know what I'm sayin'? A lot of black men, we're gonna go through a lot of mental shit as a whole. And a lot of times it's really just a confidence thing. You know what I'm sayin'? Sometimes a no will burn a nigga, ruin a nigga day, you know what I'm sayin'? It's the end of the road for him. It just depends on really what kind of nigga you is. That's a false belief, a no or a rejection. All that stuff, if you let it affect you mentally, then you already defeated cause you weak. You gotta step your game up and understand you who, you gotta have self-awareness. I think a lot of times people not aware of who they are, and then when they find out something a little bit different than what they thought, it messes them up cause their confidence level is not where it needs to be. You know what I mean? How important is God, man, when it comes down to who you are as a person? That's everything. See, my belief is a little different, but I do believe in God for sure. Ain't no way this shit came about on some other shit, but you know what I'm sayin'? Like, spirituality is a big thing for me, especially with energy, you know what I'm sayin'? So I, present day, you know what I'm sayin'? How I used to move, because again, you know, I was on some other shit, but I watch while I keep around me. Well, and when you say it's a little different, most people like to get into debates, but I'm one of those guys that understand evolution, so where a person is right now, he may not even be there 10 days from now, five days from now, two years from now, so I never take a person for what he had and start tryin' to get dogmatic about what they believe in cause that would be idiotic, but cause we both still growin'. Facts, that's facts, that's facts. Like I just said, the conversation could be different tomorrow, cause now we ain't tryin' to figure out how it could go in here just some home. Now it's just about who the fuck we gon' trust with this home, you know what I'm sayin'? This conversation could change. What would you like to work with in the industry if you could pick anybody? If I could pick somebody on the artistic side? Shit, I wanna work with a young boy, but it more or less like the old young boy. I would rather work with Kendrick, a J. Cole, a Drake. Shit, even, I mean, some artists that pass too, of course, really just anybody that do more of the, shit, Gucci, man, like everybody. I'm in this here for the art, you know what I'm sayin'? I ain't got a bunch of diss songs and all that other shit, man, I make a lot of good music, a lot of versatile music, real music, real niggas, gangsters feel it's universal, no matter where you come from. Wow, so is it a thing where you feel like, when you think about Dallas, do you feel like, how do you feel Dallas is doin' to come down to the music? Let's be real. When it come down to the music, I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a lot of people in Dallas doin' that thing, but there is no cohesion. Okay, who do you think doin' that thing? Ah, shit, of course, man, we know Big X, man. Yeah, I knew you was gonna say that first. I knew you were gonna say that first. Everybody say that. I mean, but the reason being, and the reason why I say he doin' this thing, I mean, I'm not sayin', you know what I'm sayin', like, ain't nobody else doin' this shit, but I say the reason being is cause right now, shit, you, him, he up there, he pushin' that boy, and that's good, you know what I'm sayin'? Bringin' more eyes towards the city. I can say so myself, shit, my manager didn't have multiple conversations. Just off the strength, you know what I'm sayin'? So I mean, him, Rosama, yeah, since he Miley, shit, we talkin' about the whole DFW. Oh, yeah. You got Lil Ronnie, you got, shit, man. Talk to Lil Ronnie, man. Shut up. You got my little brother, CK, CK Casino. CK, not CJ. Yeah, young J.O., man, you got, shit, bro, you got so many people workin', man. I can name a hundred more. Shit crazy, bro. It's a lot of people out here, man. I'm tryin' to thank, I'm tryin' to thank somebody else who's really doin' that shit. Even Lil Tijay. Lil Tijay. Doin' this thing, too, boy, cause I see the boy come out with merch. There's a lot of artists out here that ain't got big, and they ain't even made no time for no merch. Ty Harris, too, Ty Harris doin' this thing. There's my boy, shout out. So that boy, he went on, I think he was on tour with Snoop. Yeah, he was. And his big, that boy out the cliff. We gon' work, too. We gon' have somethin' comin' soon. Holly Flavord, what's up with that? Holly Flavord. Holly Flavord and this whole thing, amen. Amen. Yes, sir, man. You know what I'm sayin'? Holly Flavord. Yes, sir, that's just, again, man. That's just good triton music, good healing music right there, you know what I'm sayin'? So it's like the whole concept behind the song and this bitch is just one of them, and when you grateful, I was just grateful in that moment, you know what I'm sayin'? And when I make music, I capture emotions. What song do you think that right now, when you think of songs that's the most I know the one we spoke of just a minute ago, but when you think of songs that mean the most to you, which one would it be? If I gotta give them to you, I'm gonna say Rain On Me, Buzz To Dubai, Lonely. Shit, Gangsta Party, that's my shit right there. I shit lately. Yeah. But yeah, I got quite a few, man. I got about 80 songs out for me. That's hard, man. I make a lot of music. Just like I said, keep God first, man, cause a couple of dudes that sit in that seat along with us that was here last year, just three to be exact. I always tell y'all about God. I always handle y'all with care. Rough with care. You know how I am, just a realist, man. I love my people, so I'm always trying to figure out ways to ignite a flame in them. I wanna see us go to the next level on a whole another, in a whole another realm, you know what I'm sayin'? Fixed. So I just say, man, you gotta keep doin' your thing, man. Like, what do you, top three artists of all time did or lied? Any genre? Any genre. Any genre, I gotta give it a mic jack, man. Everybody. That's a good one, I'm like, cause you y'all know. I can explain, though. I can explain. See, when you talkin' about what makes an artist good, is just what they do in that genre. And if they's just so unique with it, they will create their own genre within a genre. Now, when you think of, they say the king of pop, he created that genre within that genre. When you think of pop, you can think of Katy Perry and shit, you know what I'm sayin'? But Katy Perry is not a Mike Jackson. He got his own, his own wave in that genre. Even Young Boy, hip-hop, experimental hip-hop, he has his own wave in that. Like, given the shit that he, you know, some songs he's doin' the most of them bitches, but if all in all, some of the shit he made is just unmatched, you can't even argue with it. You know what I'm sayin'? A lot of that came from consistency, not one or two songs, there's a plethora of them. You see what I'm sayin'? Wow. I gotta give it to him, but then I'm gonna give it to Kendrick Lamar. Okay, can you talk to him? And the reason being is because, and again, where he landed in this hip-hop is storytelling. His storytelling is unmatched. Darren, I mean, I've never seen a motherfucker tell a story just by the way he structures his tracks. You listen to one through 12, you're gonna get a story. You see what I'm sayin'? Outside of the good music. That shit is different. That's the first time and that shit kinda hooked me, which is a lot I guess where my storytelling comes from in my music. And then if I gotta give it to number three, see that's hard, they're gonna give it to me. Number three's always the hardest. That's cause you gotta cut everybody else out. The game doesn't change. Right, it's not that you don't know. Gotta get through the noise. Five, you know, I can give you a few, but you talkin' about three, I'm like, damn, uh. Uh. Yeah, I'm gonna say, just cause it's influential for me, uh, I'm gonna say Bobby Wobbehead. Hey, come on, man, stop, man. What the hell just happened? Damn it, boy. That boy said, what the hell, boy. I was raised on a little soul, man. You just gotta understand. You know, the boy said that decade, now that's different, I like different. You know, I interview a lot of niggas, that's different. I'm Ruby grandson, you feel me? That's hard. You ain't never heard about that? Hello. No, no, about this body, damn. But it's the reason, the reason I get excited is because I like different, I want organic. And like even when I interview like High Boy West or whoever I'm interviewing, when I feel something different, I know it's coming from a real place, it ain't just something that's thought out and what everybody else saying, it hit different, bro. It hit different. You know it's somebody organic. I know, I sit back and watch, okay, this nigga trying to act like this nigga. If you watch that Ray movie, which is a long time ago when Jamie Foxx played Ray, you know, that he kept trying to sing like everybody else he had heard. And the man said, man, we don't want another, that's the one we don't want to, you could tell. But when somebody's organic, when they really come from a place, well, it's just who I am. Shout out to Tiri Tiri, you can't make this up. You know what I'm saying? I have a crib. You know, that's all, I appreciate the realness, man. So hey, man, how can people get a hold of you if they trying to reach out? You can reach me at Mac-Dash-K, M-A-C-D-A-N-S-H-K, man, on any and all platforms, man, the music, you know, M-A-C-Dash-K. Man, if you would go back and talk to your earlier self before you went to the military, what would you say? Don't fuck with that girl, bitch. Tick it, man, bitch. I woulda went to that bitch with, you know what I'm saying? I woulda went on that bitch with more of a focused mind set, cause that's really what it was. You know, I just didn't want to be like every nigga, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't finna go to college, like with the rest of these niggas, man. I ain't got $45,000, nor do I have a full ride. We ain't come from money. My daddy told me that shit. Look, we ain't got $45,000, nothing, nigga. At least you say, you listen to your daddy. You saying, you know what I'm saying? But the nigga kept on hunting though, and the nigga was always the realest, you know what I'm saying? You told you the truth. I mean, you show up every goddamn time, but the nigga told the truth, you know what I'm saying? And that's just really what that was. And that meant more to you than anything else. Yeah, yeah, for sure, like the truth. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got to do a lot to me. The nigga done made. The nigga done lied a couple of times. I'll be there at this time. The nigga ain't show up, that fine. You know what I'm saying? He doing his own thing, but me being a parent now, I understand. And that's okay, you know what I'm saying? But the nigga never told me no lies. He'll tell the joke, but he ain't tell me no lies. You got 16 bars for me? You know what I'm saying? You want to? Man, we gonna hold out for him. We can, though. I was saying, bro, so I'ma come through the hood and we ain't done it. You got to feel it. You got to feel it. Yeah, so we can wait till then. We can, we can wait till then. I'ma call you big extra plug. That's what he said. I let your boy pay. And now you see that nigga says, man. No, but it's all love, man. Check it, man. Hey, man, thank you for coming on the show. We love you, big doll. For sure, man. It's been another great segment. A boss talk. Don't do that. What a boss is that? Man!