 This is Carbon Mike. You're listening to Dangerous Space. Ever since the Northern Miracle, the Canadian Truckers Convoy began, we at the Foundationist Society have been thinking about what we could do to help. We watched thousands of working-class people drive across a continent to confront a government that was out of control and out of touch with its own citizens. We thought it would be good to help more of those truckers and the people supporting them to get their voices out. So a short time ago, we spun up the Convoy Hotline, a toll-free Canada phone number that we patched through to our headquarters in New York so that guys in their trucks, even if they didn't have a Wi-Fi signal, even if they didn't have internet, could still call us and get on the podcast. This week I got my first call on the Convoy Hotline, a trucker out of Saskatchewan named Spencer Bouts. We talked for about an hour. Yeah, this is Pretty Boy from Saskatchewan. Been rolling with the West crew a couple days now. Currently sitting in front of the Supreme Court just a couple blocks away from Parliament Hill. So we are in the midst of it. We are in the excitement here, that's for sure. It seems to me that the planning and execution of this thing was really off the hook. I mean, you had guys coming from different parts of the country and everything seemed to roll very nicely. So did you came as part of a larger crew from your region? Is that correct? That's correct. Yeah, you bet you know I rolled with the main guys here, Tamara, which started the GoFundMe. She's been one of the main faces there. And I've been part of getting to know the whole crew, definitely. When you start with the original people and everything like that, it's been a real experience, a real blessing. I'm going to touch on something you said there about the planning. This could be above my head, maybe, but I think the biggest blessing with the planning was that this just came so fast and so hard and grew just exponentially that there was no solid plan. I'm going to be totally honest with you. There was no three weeks ago beautiful set out, laid out plan, right? This was pump in, go and make things happen as we go. And did we ever, every town reacted quick, set up churches, set up town halls, got us in there, got us fed and kept us happy as we went. And you know, it was a blessing like I said, because I think if there was an obvious plan three weeks ago, a real cut and dry, it would have been a lot easier to stop us in our tracks before we got going. So we got to remember that. It was a quick reaction sort of a thing and that exponential growth was phenomenal. That's amazing. Speaking of people trying to shut you down, I noticed that GoFundMe basically cut off your funds, just decide that for some reason, y'all were no longer allowed to access the funds you had raised and then apparently the Ottawa mayor said some nonsense about how he's going to use that fund to pay for city expenses. Did I read that right? You know, I never heard for sure about that Ottawa mayor, but I did listen to, I listened to one of his announcements there. It was my first time hearing him and boy, he had some opinions. I tell you that much. I thought you'd owe us something else, but he is one heck of a step above him yet. He is definitely not worth listening to for us here. You know, and another thing we should mention with that is I'm so happy that they're still lying. I'm so happy that they haven't backed down on the lies. They've doubled down because it is so apparent for everyone paying attention. It is so apparent for everyone standing around here. It is undeniable and it's awesome that they're still lying about it. So let's encourage them to keep doing that. Well, you know, that's right. It's funny you should say that because I didn't want to cut you off, I noticed that it seems like the more people start paying attention to what's going on and the more people start standing up and saying, hey, wait a minute, this is not acceptable. And the more of these lies that they trot out, not just about you guys, because I know that they started lying about you guys real quick, but just in general, it's really true the less credible they become because the more obvious it is. Yeah, and it just couldn't be more obvious out here. Like this is plain truth, man. And to go back to that, go fund me. I know it's been shut down a couple times, put on pause and all that stuff. I'm not sure what the current status is of it, but I'll tell you what, the truckers out here, it's kind of the last of our worries. You know, this is way beyond the money. This is way beyond the expense. This is way beyond our jobs. A lot of people, they were just planning on hopping in the convoy and joining up for a day or two, right? While they're here, their brakes are on and they are not moving. So it's pretty hard not to get in touch with the energy here and get sucked into what's truly right here. So yeah, the go fund me. I haven't been really encouraging or discouraging people to get involved with that. It's obviously a good thing, but I think maybe showing your support and spreading the truth is more important for sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's one of the reasons we decided to kind of spin this thing up because I just got, you know, it's funny, man. I grew up, I came up in the 70s, right? And my dad was... You're old, bro. All of you sound young over the phone, but you're an ancient almost, right? That's the whiskey, man. It keeps me young. But, you know, my dad, right? My dad worked in the construction trades, you know? So I grew up in a union working class household. And like a lot of kids growing up in the 70s, you know, we had this romance, this love affair with trucks, you know, 18-wheelers and, you know, like a lot of boys, you know, you'd go and you'd build models of trucks and things like that. It was a big deal. And I remember, you know, I remember when Convoy was a big single on the radio and, you know, I remember when every now and then, you know, 18-wheelers would come through town or would be on a road trip going somewhere and it was like, oh, look at that 18-wheel, look at that big rig. And so there was a real, there was a real kind of... I always had this kind of romance. I think a lot of guys who came up like I had that romance and then having lived through the past couple of years and having seen what these people got away with in terms of lying, you know, and in terms of pushing the agenda of their friends in big business, right? And then seeing you guys, seeing that Convoy, you know, I mean, a lot of them, me and a lot of my people, man, it's just, it was something to see, you know. So when it started to line about you guys, like I got really pissed off. And I didn't know what I could do, right? I'm down here in New York, you know. And I said, well, you know something? I'm hearing a lot from your Prime Minister. I'm hearing a lot from his political hacks. I'm hearing a lot from these mainstream news people. But we could hear more from the actual truckers, the guys who were in there, the guys who were in the Convoy and the guys who were doing support services for him. So that's why we decided to spin this thing up. Yeah, copy that, man. That's what I'm here trying to do. I got a pretty cool head, pretty easy to talk to you guys. So I'm trying to take on the responsibility of spreading the good message. And I love talking to guys like you, and it's really helping us along here. But I'll tell you, there's been, it's been touching gold with the opinions on us, right? Like always, anything you stand for anything, it's going to be controversial, big movements. Everyone understands that. But why are we gaining traction now? Like when I rolled in, that would have been Friday. When we rolled in, we kind of went up on a hump and for the weekend came down, but I don't know what's going on here. We are just going up. It's a Tuesday, and there is people all over, man. And I'll tell you what, the energy hasn't changed. The energy hasn't changed. It's just, oh, I can't put it, I can't put it into perspective over the podcast. But I called down a kid there from Saskatchewan, and I would have always, all that talk about energy and vibes and stuff, you know, I always would have said that voodoo magic BS to me, but it's pretty much impossible to deny that. No, yeah, I'm kind of looking myself as a crazy person almost. It's undeniable. It's really eye-opening, and it's really powerful. Yeah. And for one of the videos I saw, I'm going to get directly to some of the lies people are telling about you and how they're trying to paint the convoy in negative light. Yeah, let's do it. Because of how scared they are. But I wanted to just touch on, I saw some videos that looked to me like the first nations brothers and sisters up in Canada came out really strong in support of the convoy. Is that the case? Yeah, I can't stress that enough, man. Oh, I can't stress that enough. And sorry to say, but I was really surprised because I know some reserves, they put in, you know, they protected themselves. They were told to think a certain way, and they reacted a certain way. And I can respect that, right? But they really locked themselves down and, you know, limited themselves. So I was so surprised to see that. Yeah, the first nations representation has been off the charts. I'm talking like Sue St. Marie was a big one that we rolled through. And wow, that's just, I've never been, you know, on a TV before, and it was my first time a couple of days ago, even getting smudged all over the place then. But it's just been awesome. Just the diversity I've been exposed to. I've been limited and not just where I am, right? And I guess I haven't seeked it out too much either, right? But the diversity has been phenomenal. And yeah, not the great thing to keep spreading is first nations have been just supporting us like you wouldn't believe all sorts of different race colors, creeds, man. It is, it's not even a question. It's unbelievable. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah, so let's dig down into that because, you know, the first thing, you know, the thing that I twig to right away and this is something that I've noticed over the past few years, even before the big COVID freakout is that race is a thing that these elites like to bring up, not because they particularly care about people of any color, but because they're eager to create a distraction. And I'm saying that as a black guy, you know, I grew up in New York City. You know, I had to experience plenty of, you know, racism and this and that growing up, what have you, learning to fight, you know, in my career, what have you, right? And because the world is the world, you know what I'm saying? And people and moral errors, they're the thing that just exists in the world. But I really, there was something that really ticked me off, man, when they started to use that kind of slogan, like, oh, it's all a bunch of white supremacists, it's a bunch of racists, as if they're gonna say that magic word, you know, and we're gonna stop actually looking and listening and thinking about what you guys are doing. You know, can you talk about how that impacted you? Oh, man, you know what, to be honest, man, it didn't really rattle the guys around here too much. There's just such a strong unity with us guys here and there's such a, we know what's right and we know what this is and not talk of white supremacy and stuff, obviously not appreciated. I can say without it. But it didn't rattle us too much, man. Everyone's got such cool heads here, man. I can't explain it. Everyone's so united and everyone's so kosher. It's like even when Trudeau, you know, he's all his slides and stuff like that, but it's not even touching us out here. Again, it's ticking guys off, you know, but not near as much as it could be. It's kind of a joke. We have our own strength here and words are cheap, talk is cheap, so it's far from reality, definitely, man. There is all different kinds of truck drivers here, man, I'll tell you what, it's actually funny. I've seen a quick video of a guy holding a poster, you know, like, brevity, whatever, and there's a knock us down. Down beside him, you know, like waving his flags, he came in his semi and he parked down here, right? It's just beautiful. Oh, man, that's really cool, yeah. Yeah, this is the kind of thing, you know, when I sit in circles and talk with my people about this and the Foundation Society and, you know, my online circles, you know, one of the things we always talk about is that this is the kind of thing that these guys are really scared of, that the professional left is really scared of, right? Because my own little half-assed theory is that they are going to pay just enough lip service to working people to where they think they can get the traction they need politically, but when it comes time to really listen to the concerns of working people, when it comes time to say, okay, I understand you have concerns, let's talk about it, these guys are nowhere. It was really telling that Trudeau, instead of being a man, instead of manning up and saying, I'm gonna talk to these truckers because these guys are Canadians in that country of Canada. He basically said, I'm not gonna talk to anyone if I don't agree with them. And that's extraordinary. Yeah, you know. Absolutely, man, absolutely. Yeah, no, that's definitely his opinion, definitely around from it. And I just don't understand how, you know, I don't know who's voting for these guys, and even if you are voting for them, I can't see how it's all falling apart faster and faster, right? So I hope people are willing to, you know, maybe they're caught up in their family vote in a certain way or, you know, whatever. Yes. But, sorry, I just got to shake this guy's hand. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good one. Sorry about that. I've been trying to slip real deep. Oh, no, I might have ignited something here. I've been trying to slip back real deep into my truck. And now I've been spotted. Hi. Yeah, I love one, sir. Sorry about that. Yeah, I can't, I can't explain it. Thank you. Oh, man. I'm going to lean back down here. Yeah, I was going to try to hide from these blind people. Break here from this podcast. But yeah, I can't. Well, yeah, I'm just really trying to try to put this in perspective for you guys, but you just, you keep asking me questions and I'll do my best. Yeah, so in the convoy, I want to switch gears and talk about the convoy itself. I mean, of course you've got semis, right? You've got 18-wheelers, but you've also got other vehicles that are rolling with you guys that aren't necessarily tractor trailers. Is that correct? Oh, God, yeah, no, there was ten to one, I'm sure. Like, there is a big row of semis, that's for sure, but there is a way larger roll of cars and trucks behind. It would be ten to one for cars to semis, definitely. Okay, interesting. So, you know, when people talk about there being, you know, 50,000 truckers, that's it. I noticed that there was that kind of thing that happens online and where they were trying to debunk things and say, oh, it's nowhere near that many trucks because this and that, it's like, well, wait a minute, we're talking about 50,000 truckers now. Not all of them are going to be driving their rigs. So that's interesting. Yeah, lots of... Yeah, tell me, tell me. Yeah, no, for sure, lots of retired guys and stuff like that. I'm not going to throw a number out there because, yeah, we don't know for sure, I can confirm that, but I know there's millions of people around here, that's for sure. That's amazing. Yeah, I noticed in the run-up to you guys arriving in Ottawa, there were people lining the highways in some places, people on bridge overpasses, and it was pretty cold up there, but guys were coming out, families were coming out, waiting in the cold just to wave to you guys as you roll past. And then... Oh, I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, yeah. I mean... I'm glad you brought that up. Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off. No, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, for sure. I've been trying to really spread that message. The amount of people on the side of the road, and there was minus 30 on my gauges, that's the windshield outside. Right. Man, we're talking with windshield minus 40, and I'm not kidding, so we were behind hours, right? So there was lots of people who showed up, and they might have hunkered in the car for a bit, but the callboy was a couple hours long, right? Yeah. So I was at the back of the callboy a fair amount, and when I rolled by in the back of the callboy two hours later, there's still people, just like spinning, jumping, you know, cheering, hollering, they're not quitting. There's little kids in snowshoes so down thick that their arms are sticking straight out to the side and they can't move. You know, it can't see their face. A couple times, you see some old dogs, some old gals, they got big Canadian flags, they're holding on, and that's pretty much all they can do. They're ready to blow the hell away, man. Like... People who are willing to pretty much do anything until there's authority. I mean, that's... You know, when I saw, again, looking at these mainstream media narratives and looking at the word coming out of your own government about how this is a... What do they call it? What do they call it? A fringe minority. A fringe minority. I'm like, listen, man, people don't stand out for hours in that kind of weather for any kind of fringe minority anything. Okay? That's how I knew when I saw the people by the side of the road in all these different places I barely even heard of. Medicine hat comes out to greet the truckers. Yeah. So I was like, okay, listen, this is for real. This is not some fringe thing. You know, and I did almost feel... I did almost feel, you know, for the past two years, like, you know, they almost had me tricked into thinking I was a fringe minority, right? And so to see that, that really unlocked people's hearts, that really brought hope and really settled, it really, really settled me in. Like, it really allowed me to take a deep breath and finally relax and take a step back for a minute. You know, really feel, it real feel like part of the family again. Yeah. As Canada being united, right? Yeah, that's right. Well, you know, it's funny. One thing I'm always saying to people, because as you can imagine, you know, various parts of the world, I mean, I have a lot of people in my network, in the foundation, this network who are from the UK. In some ways it's worse in the UK than it is here in the U.S. Well, I mean, I think in some ways it's been worse in Canada than it has been in the U.S. But, you know, one thing that I'm always telling people is that, you know, the enemy, you know, we outnumber them. The people who are making policy who decide to close down schools with a stroke of a pen, who decide to close down churches with a stroke of a pen, who decide to eliminate people's jobs, people's livelihoods, and prevent them from feeding their families with a stroke of a pen, who have sentenced old people to die alone without their loved ones around them with the stroke of a pen. That is actually the fringe minority. There's a very small number of those guys, and the fact is they can give a lot of orders, and they can write a lot of laws, but the fact is they need us, they need people, you know, we, the people, we're the ones who write software and patch the infrastructure and wake up at 4 a.m. to fix roads and go out on oil rigs and drive trucks across North America or across Canada, wherever, to bring goods into stores so people can live. It's like they need us to do that, and nothing really goes down unless we say, okay, and I figured out that their number one weapon against us is despair. You see what I'm saying? Like the number one weapon against us is making us feel like, oh, you're just a last holdout, you're all on your own. No, that's right, man, you're totally right. There's definitely wicked evil out there, and unfortunately there's a lot of money and a lot of strategy that goes into making good people like me, and you feel a certain way to get a certain reaction, you know what I mean? I can't start to, I can't start to, I think that I understand how it works or how far it goes, but I know everyone hasn't here to understand you're right and wrong, and when you got that wrong, it's something you gotta stick with, you gotta ignore what you're being told sometimes a little bit, you gotta trust your gut and your right and wrong feeling, because spiritually we're a lot smarter than that. You gotta trust that. Yeah, I think that's right. You know, speaking of what, you've said that specifically, that phrase right and wrong a few times now, what's interesting to me is that you got more people giving you love, that's beautiful. Yeah, I'm trying to, I think you can just see the tip of my hat here. That's awesome. But no, you know, it's one thing I really like about this convoy, about this movement, it's just how simple it is, you know? It's very simple. Listen, in other words, what you're basically saying is, don't want to put words in your mouth, what you seem to be saying is, look, the answer is no. And that's it, you know? That's right, man. We're drawing a line here. We're drawing a line here and it's time to hold that line. That's right. Enough is enough, man. Yeah, yeah. What, I'm trying to think about, well, I want to give you, I mean, I spun up this whole thing, to give you guys a chance to say whatever was on your mind in terms of like what you wanted Americans to hear. I mean, I'm not coming to have any big, any huge audience because I don't, but, you know, what's, you know, what would you like us to hear from you truckers down here in the U.S.? Definitely. First of all, the U.S. has been, has been always been the freedom, you know, capital of the world, right? So thank you for that. I think that everyone has inherited, inherited a responsibility to do what's right, even when it's uncomfortable, even when you're disagreed upon or looked at a certain way, or even when, you know, you're coerced into feeling like a fringe minority for, well, two years. Everyone has a responsibility. We've all inherited this and we have to stick to our guns when it gets uncomfortable. That's when it really counts, guys, when it's, you know, dealing with your job and stuff like that and taking losses, not to upholding our values is more important than anything. So I just want to encourage everyone to really stand up for what's right even when it gets hard. That's right. You know, it's, um, that point of temptation, it always seems to come in a point where it seems like it doesn't take very much. It wouldn't take very much to just go along. And that, even that, the way it's framed sometimes is a temptation in itself, right? Because on the one side you have everyone's going to talk shit about you. You might lose your job. You might, you know, your friends might be alienated this and that, right? And on the flip side, it's like, well, it's just a shot. You know, it's just, it's just whatever. And it's like, you know, it's just, you know, it's just I've come to really hate that phrase because it's always just a little something, isn't it? It's always just a little something. No, that's right. It's tough to put into words what you're saying. I've been struggling with trying to put that together as well. It's, uh, yeah, it is. It's easy to lean on, oh, I just trusted the science, you know, and ignoring what's right and wrong. Oh, I just, I trusted what I was told. It's easy, uh, to offload that responsibility and offload and say, oh, I just, I had to feed my family. There's a lot of people here to a point I understand, but guys, you have to push and get uncomfortable to hold proper values. And there's a lot of people here who lost a lot when they could have just agreed. Yeah, that's, that's that's a point that we can't stress enough, right? In that, you know, it's not like you guys, uh, it's not like you could have looked at the political landscape and thought, oh, yeah, I'm going to make a lot of friends for myself by going against what everyone, what most people seem to be going along with. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, in other words, y'all had to know that the government would be gunning for you. Y'all had to know that that every Prime Minister and all his hacks would be gunning for you. Um, and you did it anyway. And I think that says something. Um, I think it says something good about you guys. I wanted to touch on one more thing, which is that when I read things from my Twitter feed about the convoy, I'm always looking for positive things to post and, you know, images and videos and what have you. Uh, but of course you can't, you can't you can't get away from reading the negative stuff. And what I've noticed is a couple things. It's like, when people say the negative things people say about you, it goes beyond just a difference of opinion. And I was having an argument on Twitter with someone who blocked me because you know, he was a pussy. That's how it goes. And he was, you know, and I was trying to explain to this guy that science is not a set of answers, right? It's like, yeah, of course, you know, we're people of the modern world. You know, you drive a big rig, right? You use internal combustion engine, right? There's all kinds of science that enables you to just do your job. But science is not a set of answers. Science is a way of asking questions, right? And so, and this guy came back with something like, well, maybe the truckers have all the answers. And that really pissed me off because it seems to me, and I want you to talk to this, it seems to me that you all are not, you all are coming from certainty about right and wrong. But you're not coming from a place of I know what's best for everybody. You guys are not saying that. You're not saying, you know, you guys don't have a public health platform. What you're saying is, listen, certain things have to be a personal choice. There are certain things that it's simply wrong. In other words, you know, I am a human being, and human being, you must not interfere with a human being in a certain way. In other words, you're coming from kind of humility, doubt, and a sense of the sacred. Can you talk to that for a bit? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm a very I know what's right and wrong and I'm going to commit to that no matter what, but I'm also fairly reasonable. You know, for the last two years I've been going to sleep every night thinking, you know, how can, you know, here's a good way to put it. If you meet 10 assholes a day, then you're an asshole. But if you meet right, if you meet one asshole a day, then he's an asshole. So maybe I'm the asshole because I'm meeting 10 guys telling me I'm wrong and one guy telling me I'm right. So I've been doubting myself and, you know, going through, going through my thought process every night before bed for two years, whatever, right? Nobody here thinks that they are the smartest person or that they are, you know, an immunologist's career. Nobody's thinking that. Nobody, very few people are 100% stuck in a set of beliefs but we are 100% committed to, like you said, right and wrong. We know that this is wrong regardless of what we're told. We know this feels wrong and we know that this is a dark path and we're not going to stop fighting for that. But I'm glad you brought that up. Nobody here thinks that they're the smartest medical professional in the world or anyway. They just kind of uphold rights and freedoms for everybody in future generations. Well, that's right. I won't dignify his name but we got cats running around Washington saying that they are science and when you attack them, you attack science. And, you know, again, whatever people feel about that particular individual, the thing I want to get at is that we all of us have to come to this thing with a sense of doubt, with a sense of self-doubt. I don't trust anyone who is overly certain about things that you can't be 100% certain about. You know, and that's one, I mean, I've been, there's me and a few people in my circle, we've been looking at this thing from the beginning and there were a few skeptical voices and we took a lot of abuse, but, you know, we gave as good as we got but we didn't like how certain people were about things. And in my career, you know, I'm a software developer and I work the kind of work I do, I work with analysts, I work with clinicians, I work with epidemiologists, I work with cats who are actually in the game in that way and the good ones always are careful to express uncertainty and they're always careful to be honest about and this thing, I think this thing began to look really sour for a lot of people when all the people talking to us were very, very, very certain and they were so certain they didn't want anyone to talk about doubts. That's, you know, to me, it's like, it's one thing if you say, it's 60, 40, it's 80, 20, it's 99, one, granted, okay. But when you're saying I can't ask questions, you're up to something and we can say, I don't know what you're up to, but I want no part of it and it seems to me that that's part of what, would you say that's part of what of how you guys think about this as well? Oh, absolutely. Just, yeah, only being able to see one side of the argument, something that is so, you know, brand new and so different and not being able to be exposed to opinions. That sealed it for a lot of people, man. Like, if we could have had things saying, you know, this is new and, you know, like, we don't, we can't guarantee and obviously we can't guarantee anything with a brand new style of vaccine that's never been used on people, right? If we could have honest conversations like that, that would have settled a lot of people's minds and hearts, but when you can't even, you know, find videos on platforms that can talk about reasonable doubt or informed consent, then that just sealed it off for a lot of people saying, you know what, no, I'm not even going to, I'm not going to abide by this just because because of how it's been being portrayed and the information being relayed is completely extruded. So, yeah, I know it's, that was a ceiling, a deal breaker for a lot of people in this group across the world, man. Yeah, absolutely. I'm guessing also some of you guys are probably like me and that you're just ornery and like, you know, something if you suggest something to me, I'll think about it. If you order me to do it, now I'm definitely not doing it. That's the other thing it's like. Yeah, that's it. You know, I wanted to, there's something else I wanted to touch on. The whole young Spotify thing where you couldn't where you weren't even supposed to have a doctor, a credentialed doctor asking reasonable questions about this vaccine and that's supposed to be misinformation. Now Neil Young is a guy who, I mean, not that long ago he came out with an album called the Monsanto Years and you and I can probably both remember when, according to the left, according to a lot of the same people who were talking shit about you guys in the convoy now according to those guys, Monsanto was the devil. You remember that? You remember no GMOs, remember all those protests? Right. Yeah, I do. Right? So the thing I'm trying to get my head around is how is it that, you know, not that long ago, five seconds ago in historical terms, right? You had these guys saying no GMOs, Monsantos that are all of a sudden Pfizer, which is the same kind of huge, wealthy, multi-billion dollar, multinational company. They're all on board with them injecting something into you that will make you a GMO. Now I know that you, you know, we're not specifically talking about Neil Young, but, you know, what, I mean, as a Canadian man, what did you, how did that strike you when Neil Young came out like that? Yeah, I'm going to hammer down on what you're saying, what you're saying there about them changing their tune. It was the same thing with my body, my choice. Yeah, right. Same people, my body, my choice, forever and ever. Correct. And now, and now it's no longer my body, my choice, now it's collective, now I have to do things because you feel like they'll make me stay there. Hold on a second. Right. Yeah, you guys, you know, they're talking values. It's whatever works for you at the time. They change the tune on a click of a switch. Right. So it's, so now what, so now what are they going to go back to my body, my choice? I guess they're slowly throwing off. That's hard to use that now. Everything they stand for just swing, it swings to their direction as soon as they want it to. And it's, we see a lot of, we see a lot of signs, actually. You know, maybe that's where all those signs came from. All the left, they donated their signs to us all, and my body, my choice, their, their here. Thanks to that, guys. That's awesome. Yeah, exactly, man. Did you real solid, man? You know, but that's the thing I'm always thinking about, like well, you know, again, after the last couple of years, after this viral freak out and after I saw people turn their coat, and like you said, change their tune, now I don't want to hear nothing. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. I know where you were on this question, on the real question of bodily autonomy. And it strikes me that what's interesting is you mentioned, you alluded to something earlier about people being able, being willing to put it on the line. And it strikes me that that a lot of the people who who said that, who were always talking that thing about freedom it seemed to me that that was, it was never really about freedom for them. It was always about self-indulgence. It was like I want the freedom to indulge myself. But it wasn't that kind of a, it wasn't the freedom, you know, when I hear you guys, you know, when I see, you know, truckers make videos or whatever, you know, guys from the convo, when I hear you talking about freedom, I get the sense that it's coming from a rooted place. I get the sense that, again, you're saying this word but you're talking about something that's sacred. And I don't get the sense that anything was ever really sacred to that other crowd. Which is why they could turn their coats so quickly. Yeah, that's right. No, they're not deep rooted in values, right? It's all about what they want at the time. So, yeah, I totally agree. People have, people in this group definitely have deep rooted values. There's no question about changing. Yeah, that's right. Well, you know, I've said I've said before, you know, of course, I'm not going to, you don't have to feel any questions about religion or anything, but I've said before that this war we're in, and I do think it's a war, it's bigger than COVID, it's bigger than the vaccine. But I think, I've said before that I think this war we're in, we're not going to win this without a return to something other than just blind materialism. We're going to have to get back to our roots, part of which is our religious roots. It's just, and that's not to say everyone has to believe X, it's just to say that everyone has to have values that come from a deeper place than, here's what I want for myself right now. Do you see what I'm saying? Like religion in that sense, like something that can touch with the sacred, yeah? Totally understand, no. We've got to get back to family values, man. We've had huge attacks on family values, family structure. It's more than a parent, it's more than obvious I should say, to keep that family structure, keep the mom and the dad in a strong family, and it's just how humans have existed forever. And to think that we can just walk away from family is so foolish. We need a, we need male role, we need female role, we need both sides of that, you guys, like, yeah, anyone can keep a kid alive, but I think the problems are really, really, you have someone the best chance, they need both sides of that, and the religious thing I totally agree with too, I was not raised in a crazy, overly religious family, you know, really just values, but that's something that I think I've been longing for and I've been trying to get into it and I'm definitely going to step it up after this, is we got to get into a set of values here, and a real set of beliefs and a bit of a settlement as well, knowing that right will come and that light will shine through. Not to be ignorant that we can just sink our way through everything, right, like we're not out of faith. That's right, that's right. And it's interesting because people it's become fashionable in a lot of circles, especially a lot of liberal circles, to say that faith is just what's the big deal about faith, faith is just believing in something you haven't seen yet, what's the big deal, but the fact is everyone, you know, you can't have education without faith, right? You're asking kids to go to school and to have faith that by applying themselves and doing things well and properly now, they're going to have better lives in the future. They have to believe something they haven't seen, you know? And you don't get the kind of optimism in a society that you need just to build things, right? It's like building something is an act of faith. You don't know for a fact how it's going to turn out. You know, in every, everything we do, every optimistic thing we do, every kind of life affirming thing we do, that's an expression of faith. We've been listening to too many people who just think they can do away with certain things, certain parts of the foundation because they're inconvenient. They don't know where things come from, how society works, how civilization works. They seem not to know where their food comes from, you know what I'm saying? They're willing to do away with things that you can't do away with that are essential, you know, so. I'll speak to that a little bit, just as a younger guy, 24-year-old guy that family structure things. I want to just hammer down on that because every time I open my phone, I'm basically watching soft core porn, you know what I mean? Every time it's just pulling us away from that always temptation and this empty happiness, man. So we need to you're welcome. We need to thank you. We need to steer away from that. I don't know how because I quit watching porn a year or two ago, right? And just waking up to this stuff. And I don't know how we're going to do it because I'm not on Tik Tok, right? I'm still on Facebook with some social media, try not to engage whatever. Even I can't get away from it. Anytime you're interacting at all in the digital world which is almost unavoidable at this point, you're just being exposed to temptation, especially in sexuality. It's so hard on us. Especially as young guys, right? We got to get away from that. We got to pull that off and start I'm choosing not to be exposed to it, but it's impossible. It's being pushed on me so hard, right? That's how we're going to get our family structure back. That stuff needs to end. We need choice or not. That's correct. I talk to a lot of young guys and what I'm always telling them is that youthful energy you have whether it's wanting to chase girls or wanting to wrestle and tussle and fight or whatever, that warrior spirit, that's a good energy but it has a right purpose. You see what I'm saying? It's not that it's evil, it's not that it's bad, it's that it has a right purpose. That's the thing that my Christian friends are often, it seems like people purposely misunderstand them when they talk about this kind of thing. That's the big lie that they always tell about my Christian friends is that they're anti-sex or they're anti-disant. It's like no, things have a right purpose and you can use a good thing for a wrong purpose. I'm with your brother. I don't claim to have all the answers about how we get out of this thing but we agree that this is a problem and it's also a problem by the way that some people who want to use our children for medical experiments, they understand that if they can manipulate us with our love of pleasure, for example, then they've got us. And again, it's not that pleasure is a bad thing, it's like is someone using that love of pleasure as a weapon against you or as an instrument to control you or to distract you, you've got to get your mind right on that. I agree with you. Unfortunately, there is bad out there and there's a lot of money around that and there's a lot of very, very smart very, very tactical, collected organizations working to subconsciously steer us in a certain direction for money and greed and all the wrong things. That's where we got it. We got to have faith and you just have to trust what's right and wrong. There's definitely people against us but if everybody works together on this, we're going to shine through a team meal good. Got to, because again, we outnumber them by far. The people who know how to do real work outnumber the Davos men and the money men and the great resetters and all these cats. It's like, to me, they're almost irrelevant once we get our act together as brothers and sisters and that's why I go back to what I said before. These guys are terrified. They're terrified that a black dude from New York is going to get on the horn with a white brother from Saskatchewan. You know what I'm saying? And just talk about it. You know I was white, dude. You know I was white through the phone, eh? Can you tell I got red beard, dude? Listen, you said you got a red beard, right? Yeah, I'm not racist except against genders. Y'all are the worst. I'm only halfway there, I'm only halfway there. Oh, now you back it off. Now you only have to change it. Yeah, we're going to see about that. Listen, brother, so I want to round out by giving you a chance to say anything else you want to say, get whatever word out you want to get out, give shout outs or thanks to whoever whether it's in the convoy in all your support crews what have you, just give you the last word to say whatever it is that you want to say. Oh, there's endless people. Organizers, my family, everybody. I don't have enough time to name them all. I want to give thanks to everybody who's willing to stand up for what's right and who's willing to have disagreeable conversations and put their foot down. I want to give thanks to everyone. I want to give thanks to people listening and taking in a different point of view. Everybody has an inherited responsibility to stand up against what's right and wrong, you guys. Even when it's hard to do, even when your job might be at risk and even when things are tough, that's when it really counts. Everyone needs to band together and keep up the good work. It's just been phenomenal. And to me, it almost feels like there's been a big buildup, you know, and it was in the back of my mind. I was having faith on it, man. Two years of disagreeableness, two years of shaking my head of what's going on, man, but just keeping that faith. And there's a big buildup into something that was was going to come back, was going to come back. A day into my trip, it all came back, man. It's all been settled and I'm so much at peace. I can sit back here, I can have a serious conversation and I'm so at peace right now. It's unbelievable. Anybody who doubts spirituality and stuff like that, like I may have, I get that out of your head, man, because it's reality. It's never been more obvious. I really want to encourage you guys to be able to be disagreeable and be able to really put your foot down even when it's really hard because like you said, man, there's lots and lots of people like us and we got your back. We're willing to do anything. I'm willing to sit on this street corner for weeks or whatever it takes. You know, there's guys here saying they just got to make it proceeding, which is in a couple months. We got your back. We're a strong group. Thank you, brother. I hope y'all, you know, by getting the word out and showing the world a different side, the side that our so-called betters in government and media would rather people didn't see. We're going to show it, you know, and we're going to keep doing it, you know, because what you guys are doing is important. Like this is as real as it gets. We're playing for all the marbles here. We're playing for you on behalf of all my peoples everywhere because everyone in my circles, I mean, everyone's inspired by this. Everyone's kind of got their spirits picked up by this. Everyone is looking at this like, man, this is the thing we've been hoping would happen. We've been praying would happen. And it's going to be, you know, y'all might never know what you did for people's spirits just by doing this, just by taking these risks that you did and just by putting yourself out there. So thank you. You're welcome. Thanks for your time, man. My name's Dr. and my handle's pretty boy, so if anyone wants to get at me, go ahead and do it all. We keep doing what we're doing out here, man. It's good. And yeah, thanks for the interview. Thanks for your time. Keep having faith out there.