 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa a time for us to check out the front pages of a national dailies as usual would also Bring you up to speed with what's making the rounds We do have a guest who will be joining the discussion the conversation G. Day Johnson a chief lecturer of Nigerian Institute of Journalism. It's good to have you join us G. Day Johnson The pleasure to do it. Good morning. Good morning to our viewers all over the world All right, so I'll start off with the daily trust newspaper this morning Let's find out what the daily trust scots has to report this morning on The deal is looking at the front page of the daily trust. You have despite poor funding Buhari create 30 more teshiri institutions That's the board caption on the daily trust newspaper you have Polytechnics becoming mere constituency projects. That's what a soup is quoted to say expert wants Existing institutions revamped Presidency Ministry moon. That's what you find these are riders underneath the board caption all of that you find on page 5 of the daily trust newspaper FIRs to go after tax evaders in maritime aviation sectors. That's what you find also another header this morning ICPC recovers 241 houses from public servant ICPC recovers 241 houses from public servant That's also another caption on the daily trust newspaper this morning Hundreds flee homes as e-swap attacks born new town again, and you have gandu jay proposers 196.3 billion dollar budget for 2022 gandu jay proposers 196.3 billion dollar budget for 2022 and troops killed terrorists making explosives from fertilizers That's another caption this morning on the daily trust and that's on page 4 PDP convention hangs as caught rules on second and suits today So of course, you know that the hearing was suspended and hopefully by 12 or there about We definitely hear the ruling on that particular case, but that's it on the daily trust newspaper. Let's quickly check out the daily independent Newspapers well none on the front page. It has a caption saying national convention apprehension grows in PDP over appeal court verdict apprehension grows in PDP over appeal court verdict parties appeal committee submits report our convention will shut down APC Find out who's saying all of that when you pick up a copy of the daily independent newspaper You also have the caption saying Facebook changes company names to meta. That's what you find and 2022 budget Nars will ensure defense security gets highest vote. That's what senate presidents quoted to say on page seven FIRS plans to tax audit on operators in maritime aviation sectors And you also have how I CPC recovered 241 houses from public offices agency boss fingers FCDA staff in housing fraud by estate developers in the FCT says public officials use Well estate investment for money laundering. That's what you also find this morning on the daily Independent let's see if we can check out another headline before we move away from the daily independent newspaper this morning security Approachives For jailbreak at the beneath central correctional center and that's on page 29 That's it on the daily independence away from that. Let's check out. We also have the punch newspaper this morning second those suits ruling on certainty reigns as 3600 delegates arrive in a booger for PDP convention Apparently the issue of you know direct and indirect permaries will still be a strong conversation And that's on page two. You have only PDP chairman has right to supervise the convention PDP convention on track APC Collapse eminent finder who's saying all of that away from that you also find 21 billion narrow 14 bed also work clinics construction begins in November That's on page eight Another caption says government workers feature shaky as 20 states Sean contributory pensions scheme Nigeria tops chat as 11 African countries block airlines 700 million dollars revenue That's on page 25 of the pouch newspaper now you still have interesting headlines here. Let's see if we can check one or two Before we move away Tamborwell orders visit me Miko ex-governor set to Rejoin the PDP so it might just also be a period of defection between the two Dominating political parties in Nigeria Facebook changes name to meta and promotes apps and technology on the new firm That's also another head that you find this morning on the front page of the pouch newspaper Suspected quarters caught with pistol in a gun school during exams That's it. Also, and lie Mohammed lied He funded 2019 choir APC elections Secretaries quoted and that's on page 14 of The pouch newspaper now you also have the Anambra decides on the top, you know front page of the page And he says P. F. N. Ford's iPops no election call agitators downplay poll personnel in four states on standby for reinforcement and you have the NSE DC quoted on page 14 and page 8 of the punch newspaper Well, that's the much we can take on the punch We move away now and check out the nation newspaper this morning Just before we have G. D. Johnson share his thoughts on some of the headlines making the round now on the front page of the nation newspaper you have PDP governors elders head for showdown over in your la that's on the board Caption you find a number of twenty twenty one I next spending more than before says Okoye IG while we're deploying massively and iPop has not called for polls Boycotts Okay, that's very tricky, but that's on page 27 Please query Carry on panels finding that's what you also find on the front page of the nation It's on page three to be precise ICPC recovers three hundred and eleven the houses from two civil seventh. Oh, wow So you probably might just be having different figures Quarters will say about four hundred and you also have reported three hundred and one But I'm sure you will definitely find out more information if you Flip through the pages of our national dailies Government winning war against Boko Haram bandit showing card to government Travel forms cumbersome That's what you find Government winning war against Boko Haram and bandits and showing card to government travel forms cumbersome I'm sure you want to find out what that's all about on page Three on two of the nation newspaper this morning deductions from state's allocation on hold for now That's on page four of the nation newspaper and you have fire me takes 100 100.8 billion our budget to assembly for as a good state six 13 billion Naira to fix or tar roads That's what you find as well on the nation newspaper Well, that's the much we can take on the front pages of a national dailies I also asked that beyond the headlines. It's okay to read flip through the pages So you have the gist of all of the stories, but we start off with the we just go straight to Understanding some of the headlines this morning and G. D. Johnson is on standby. Good morning G. D. Johnson Thank you once again for joining us It's a pleasure to be with you. Thank you for Listen, good morning once again to our viewers all over the world Let's start with the education story, which was the major line in the daily trust that Creates 30 more tertiary Just creating the tertiary institutions Based on what some I did that As a presumption that just on the consequence of project How it is Institutions based on needs assessment and what's the goal? What's the vision was it? what's What do you need behind the creation of this this institution? That's the question of the existing institution And they probably found that I will give them the equal infrastructure would be Required services would be man capital resources that's required for them And then what's the goal of our educational system? We have An overview of how many doctors will need in the next 20 years. How many Nurses do we need in the next 20 years? How many engineers are we going to require in the next 20 years? How many architects are we going to require in the next 20 years and do it design and fashion and education? Policies around around that template or we just Establish a different institution like University of Transport in Laura and that is the Ministry of Transport and Chinese government That's abd my time in university that they have not come to conclusion on where to look at it in in Delta States so for me the goal of I'm creating educational exchange will be defeated. It is no national policy or goal with respect to what you want to achieve when it comes to so that we can direct so that can be there Can be an integration between a primary education, secondary education and university education Safe for a stand in in safe for instance in the next 50 years We've been needing two million doctors. What do you do? You provide a Provide incentives to encourage people to go into medical practice Probably through loans through what through loans through Educational loans through scholarship and rest of that's our civilized client That's how they designed the educational educational policy, but if you want to score cheap political points are a student of mine And was around former student of mine was around This week and we're talking about that Krishna and so and she spoke about Inadigree space for students now that the same school she attended That was only one school in that same space in that same compound They have four secondary schools there and I shared my own experience that the second is go out and then It's the same thing and you do these places are limited But because they want to write it as part of their goals that we have created Susu number of schools. They don't look at the environment the structure Benefit will be to the development and physical and emotional development of the students and Yeah, we are we are producing a big graduates that we say I cannot compete with your contemporary And all over all over the world, but once they leave our system and they go to another system They may get to accept I will actually set the question So it's the type of environment which you put in place for me Statement for them to create those institutions. You now have heads of those institutions You have registrar you have administrative staff. You have different is duplication and duplication These two we say this we provide not even duplication. It's multiplication Institutions you create you create a path for us In Jesus name, but you know come down to come and help us something with ourselves and the second story I'm interested in But G.D. Johnson just as a follow-up just before you get to the next story of tax evasion Why do we have you know, we seem to have more conventional universities? One will think that at this point where we are as a country that will be need for creation of more vocational, you know and Technical institutions or you know colleges so that we can actually you know solve some of the needs and some of the issues I mean just recently we had that you know the federal Ministry of Health is planning to borrow Over about 200 million Naira for mosquito nets and if we have more vocational Institutions, then you know some of those needs and concern we probably might solve it So my question is why are we not bent on creating vocational rather than conventional universities? Because because the way we are much more interested in Certificate this is this is said whereby they have people that became professor without having a second degree The people that became professor without having master's they only became professors through their first degree and Whatever they've done in their career development coming up with law Coming up with policies that after they've enjoyed the policy after they've enjoyed that That you cannot become a professor until you have PhD until you have this or you have that So we we don't have respect for those vocational schools the technical schools, you know In between you have a take a unit and you have the further technical college in Yabba Once just past two used to When I was in you have used to pass through that access to go to from Friday to go to you know So those technical school my elder brother Technical school before he went for that So those technical schools we have not busy for us and that's why we import artisans if you're involved in Building you discover that the best Tyler the best bricklayer they are from neighboring countries yet You don't know we do we no longer have them I grew up in what I was caught us I knew all those artists and you do you do waterworks would used to be fixed by workers workers from water corporation then they will fix you will fix everything because you have this technical support But not those technical education and as the essence of six Before that the professor Okay, you know what you do six six years in primary education If you can't proceed for that then you go to technical education if you proceed for that But what has happened to that policy? So everybody wants to go to university Everybody wants to go to protect me even if you go to the discrimination that you attended polytechnic This one attended university and the rest of I can say with that Any profession where you have practice Those that go to be taken care better than the rest of the student and I All you just need to do is do a solution concerning the issue and it has that one that folks did a study which was Invest the former of the University of Lagos and Coral State University, which was part of the study and they discover that the techniques today were doing better than universities today When it comes to communication when they tell you that so basically do we have a society structure? Do we have a society structure? We place more emphasis on university education because of that certification as a result of that Nobody wants to send his or her work to technical education Now we think of the entrepreneur Entrepreneur development studies in schools that students should learn entrepreneur development Now we find a situation about someone that has graduated after he or she has graduated Is not going to tell or it is not going to fashion design is not going to barbie And why should that person not have born to technical education and develop that skill Develop that vocational skill and will be a better person other than which system in the university system When he was quite a rider he's going to end up pushing his own his own vocation He's going to be an entrepreneur in his own in his own his own Zora So it's the way the society structure what place do we have for those technical education? I have a situation whereby you see people that want to take good education In civilized in civilized clay in Germany in us and they'll bring them to Nigeria to come ahead Nigeria engineers And they'll call them as patrots whereas and you see them in even in directly projects They are doing acts anymore that is involved in all of this Chinese Sponsored through that we got known from the people that they brought from China. They were no university graduate You are just technicians and those technicians will be loading over our own engineers here in Nigeria because our own engineers We don't have the technical ability and because we have to know where the technical ability as a result of that We we now have to import those type of skills and those type of labor from from bini reporting from to go from what I mean if I involved in in in the building sector in Nigeria, you know what I'm talking about That's all right. Okay, so let's also share your thoughts on this particular issue the one you also interested in that FIRS to go after tax evaders in maritime aviation sectors It's the it's just sad that they are just thinking of going after them if you know the resources that come And from this sector for example if you travel by They collect different form of taxation from you on thousand for these Then imagine where is this money going to have always asked this question If you if you are going to the international airport the tool at international airport That tool before you cross over to the international with the response for collecting that tool What do they use the resources for that tool for how do they audit the money they collect from that tool Which agency is the nce that is collecting the tool or is federal in land revenue services So and then when you go to the when you go to the maritime sector the type of Resources that is there that you are not paying attention to most society are run They are not even a petroleum products are run through taxation But there are a lot of loopholes the only taxes we collect regularly in the SPS year is the income tax Which is just a basic way of getting your revenue all those excise gt all those Treaties that you get from their vision and my time sector if our eyes not just in us I want to want to go after them Where god will help them to go to go after it and to get the resources that you require around this country If we really collect our taxes Government in Nigeria does not need Does not have any need to borrow money from anywhere because the revenue items are dead Those revenues the people that we are supposed to collect revenue for or do we give exemptions To people that want not to give exemptions to so these are the issues when it comes to taxation in Nigeria because What is what is the Natural resources that Britain has So many countries in the world don't have natural resources, but they get their revenue from taxes and if we look by our population And by a consumption pattern we should be borrowing money from from china But because we are leased as a nation and we don't have the political way if you go to the ambition sector You see that a lot of people enjoy and the maritime sector a lot of people enjoy exemptions You just get one letter from one public or government official and they give them Plaintance or waiver the country cannot run ambition principles. You must uphold the principle The principle of taxation is everybody must be what is due to him or her So in in other claims every nation frown acts frown attacks tax evasion They frown at it and but here you can go with it, but we have them them to to collect To be able to collect revenue. This is required so that we don't In pure depth for unborn children to the various loans And these two the unjustifiable loans that this present administration has collected on behalf of you and our children and our unborn With grandchildren great grandchildren. It takes me to the story of the ICPC. Well, different headlines from different Different figures from different newspaper that them they recovered. Let's just assume. Let's use the law of average once a 241 That's a trillion and Turner 11. So let's use the law of average. Let's say 270 270 houses were recovered from just civil servant civil servant houses two individual have close to 270 houses What ICPC will have done is you have Investigated the entire body that those two cannot be the only two that is involved in that scam Two are others that are involved and I've said it that if actually want to really fight corruption We must look at the lifestyle of the civil servants because the if if if you have ever been politics Or you have ever been public service if the political class steals 40 percent of the revenue 60 percent of the revenue goes to Goes to the civil service acts anybody that has ever been in government at the local government level at the state level And at the federal level the enablers When people are talking about the financial allowance or the senate have said it on me I said Well, have you ever asked about the financial allowance of the allowances of permanent secretary that an ugly permanent secretary In Nigeria is richer than the senate of the federal report can start to be contemplated You know their salary to look at their lifestyle Their children are not even permanent secretary in the state civil service Their children we have them as friends their children are not attending schools in Nigeria They don't attend schools in Nigeria. We live in Portugal. Yes, you look at they attend churches with you and I Look at the types of car the drive So if we really want to fight corruption The focus has always been on the political class what the real enablers of corruption in Nigeria Are the civil servants and if you don't fight that fight We can never win the war on corruption if you don't have in actual sense the civil service was not created To serve the people the create the the colonial administration created the civil service to fund the colonial government That's that's the structure. So one of the areas that we need to restructure is our civil service system And if you recall one of the major things that in Mutala Administration did I remember I can tell you that feel I was living in it. What I was A lot of top civil servants Took your car. They were driving. They took it out of each waterworks. They went and I did I as a young boy They went and I did those cars because if you are caught with a car that cannot match your lifestyle, you will explain And that's the that's the decisive steps. So when people say they want to fight corruption And we have not there with the civil servants. I love that I love the magic you will see is just the civil servants that are involved in this ITPC 271 houses If you come to Lagos phone, we don't know how many houses we have seen permanent secretaries that are of lands in Lagos We have seen how many properties they own. So how is how is this corruption? You know Going on in the civil service, you know, which means how do they get to acquire all of these? How did they get to have all of those funds that if you look at like you have rightly mentioned Comparing that to what they end as salary Where are they getting it from how what what corners are this? You know You call them the technocrats. They have they have the inside knowledge. They are the they are the workforce of public service So they do do you know where the money is? They know where the money is can you compare someone that has been in civil service for 25 years? And you are just electing a house of red member or you are electing a That has never been in civil service to come into civil service The permanent secretary in governor's office Knows where the budget head is no where the money is no where where what to spend and what to spend Or let me give you an example when you come to the local government The council manager knows you have elected you have elected the chairman For example, there's something going on in Lagos They have shared it with some of my colleagues that are close to Those of them that control the affairs of Lagos. I said they've successfully destroyed the local government in Lagos You've done an election For more than three months. You have not instituted the the local government executive council You have the he's only the chairman and the and the vice chairman and the civil service that are running the local government Now the supervisory councilors And the council secretary SLG that you join the chairman in running the local government. You have not instituted them You're not considered the the the local government executives. So the chairman just imagine the chairman and the vice chairman With the council manager with the treasurer and with various heads of the department They have been in the local government even before the chairman thought of becoming chairman number one In most cases some of this chairman do not even have the technical know-how They don't have the professional They don't have the administrative knowledge to run even a small business not to talk of running a government A government has a lot of businesses and you bring such Ignorables into public service. There will be thoughts around by the civil servant who are better educated Who are more knowledgeable And it's very clear. I'm sorry. I'm using this this illustration One of the foremost writer in ancient times paul is called paul Is in the christian faith said as long as the air is still a child It is what is not modern asleep because it's subjected to control. So in most cases we find We find people that are not knowledgeable in public governance And you have people in civil service that are more knowledgeable more educated more exposed And what do you have they toss them left and center and I can say this without a fail I have friends are civil servants. I have friends I have I have I have uncles that have been in civil service If we don't take the corruption fight to the civil service, we can never win it You can't win the world corruption. You can't. It's impossible. How would you win it? And yet you focus more on On on on on the political class fine the political class in actual sense if you look at the ratio It's 70 to 30 percent continue for a fact And every permanent secretary in the federal ministry is written and a minister and is richer than That they send it off the federal economy they count the number of permanent secretaries that you have Let's move away from that because Because I know that this conversation It's almost endless and I'm thinking to myself if You know because of the time that they have to spend in the service Therefore with all of the experiences and all of the knowledge Would it therefore mean that we should reduce the time so that uh, you know, they don't get to have all of that But that will be a conversation for another day. We show them accountable. You know, it's this time all them accountable We can't live in lifestyle and you can't all you need to do is to look at where they live Okay, let's let's move away from that. Mr. G. Dway Johnson. Let's look at daily independence now National convention. I heard of the pdp national convention. Uh, there seem to be a lot of Or apprehension In pdp over the appeal scott vetted. So yes, we're hoping to get that vetted today And also, uh, that that's on the daily independent. Let's also check out what the the punch newspaper is saying that The punch and the daily independent almost, uh, you know, very similar with your star The nation depends And daily trust dealing dependent on reported issues because the media is you now for for the punch I think the court should stop the convention of any political party I think the courts should not stop and that's my view is like asking the court to stop an election The convention of any political parties are to institute the various the national convention, for example, is to put in place The national leadership of the party and I think um Women in judgment to us. Well, the political class are not really between themselves And you seen that over time and this will not be the last You still see to be a recurrent a recurrent a recurrent feature I think because to Help this democracy to grow and how do they help this democracy to grow in the administration of justice And dispensation of justice we should there should be a timeline a timeline which that is relating to This should be treated with a dispatch and that's what some have advocated That we probably we should have a court to settle political issues And then we know that court is designed specifically to address because you see You see the number of candidates that have won election without contest election We have seen the number of candidates that won election that were not sworn in as a result of Litigation arising from party primaries party issues pre-election matters It's it's alarming And that's why some have advocated that probably you should have a court to look into this matter Why would the national chairman of a party that has enjoyed the leadership of the party go to court to stop the convention of this party? I think sometimes individuals you understand that In the national interest And the party history is bigger than is bigger than the interest. I love what Adam Soshinole said He said you could have gone to court to challenge the institution of committee for the APC headed by My Malabu, the governor of newbie state who was sworn in in the state house of federal republic of niteria by The attorney general of the federal republic of niteria That is every sacred just that is an impeachable crime and that is said is something which the national The body of what I remember the names of those that are what the son that they should have taken away his son For me because that's that's a sacred. Yeah, the chief law officer of the nation should do with the chief law So but others in shape already not telling because felt that My the the interest of the party is larger than mine. And I know that you think that second or sugar You have looked at this matter, but we wait for the court to Whether they should hold the convention or they should not hold the convention For me the courts Those matters the courts should treat it with a with a dispatch but in any case Sometimes the national chairman of the pdp have always been there their major problem You recall the experience which they have with them module Senator module When he from the way he merged as the national chairman of the party The same the same character is positioning himself to become the apc national chairman Well, in any case there's any difference between pdp and apc. It's just that the name that Is different but in character in nature And in in in actions. They are the same. They are the same. They are bits of the same feather They are just chameleonic the decision. I don't tell you them. So telling us that they are apc or they are pdp They are the same because if you look at their actions and their character, which is the same I hope that the court will go to the and pdp can go ahead with them To this convention. We need a stable party system for us to have a stable polity Now if you don't have a stable party system, the parties are chaotic when they get to government You have a chaotic Government and that's and that's why we have seen chaos across across our political spectrum Because the two political parties that are made your party synergy. I can't even put the house in order But I promise they cannot conduct if the party cannot manage his affairs How can you manage the affairs of the country a party cannot manage his affairs? And you are not giving the responsibility of managing your country to it You have an arena in the pc where the pc is running under a category committee If anybody should go to call whatever decisions they take concerning their category which are an illegality Which is an infringement on the concern of the party. It's just a waste of time I hope pdp will be able to put this house in order moving towards 2023 and then we can provide a viable opposition because In democracy, you need the opposition to be vibrant. You need the opposition to provide an alternative viewpoint An alternative people to existing point of view being proposed by the by the by the ruling party But we have not seen that consistent alternative viewpoints and even of us as I believe with one alternative viewpoint But the greatest power that god give to man can be the power of choice the power of choice and pdp has not provided us has not provided us with that with that alternative because it has been a chaotic party structure Since 2015 proud 2015 when Members begin to leave the party to go to apc governors leaving the party to go to apc proud to 2015 And we have seen the situation seems after 2019 election the governor of And the governor's going to state And the governor of zanfarah state And some other actors and players national assembly members members of board of trustees of pdp have left pdp to go through For the apc so Okay All right Let's just move away from that and stay still staying with the punch newspaper this morning This sounds like good news as asa rock clinic might just uh, you know might just begin to experience construction for asa rock clinic in november Sounds like a good thing I remember the time where you know all of that issue of not having a syringe was raised and the fact that There's constant medical tourism in You know country For me it sounds like good news, but I'd like to share your thoughts on that Well, I think that what asa rock clinic what for me what we should have is to put One of our teaching some of our teaching hospitals or one of the military facilities The military medical facilities that you used to treat the president because it's easy At least Highly sensitive. It's national security. So what is that of investing in asa rock clinic? I think that what you be viewers military or specters that we have needs to be strengthened needs to be fortified Is it asa rock clinic is 14 bed 14 bed asa rock clinic and look at the money that has been voted for it I think what we should look at is the various And military or specters that we have Fortified this military sp2 equipped this military sp2. That's why you should treat the commander in chief of the office Or anyone occupying that office of the president or sensitive position in Nigeria. You can't just treat them in asa rock You are treating him in asa rock What you have to deploy different types of security A corridor you have to create a perimeter around that clinic anytime the president goes to the clinic And then you have you affect you affect the normal flow of government government functions and government services I think we should move away from that direction. But there's a rock clinic. Hopefully it will come You will spend this money There has been budgeted for it because every year Budget allocations have been made for the clinic and they said the clinic will start in Hopefully if you put this clinic in place, I hope the president will not be traveling abroad to receive a medical medical attention God will help Nigeria when it comes to that Asa rock asa rock clinic All right. This is where we have to anchor. Thank you so much. Gidej Jonson for Okay. Oh, I thought we could just add them. Well, okay. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Just go ahead Well, there is the story of 2022 budget where the NAS said that they weren't sure that defense and security gets Since I was Since I was young You can even see from my bed. Now I am old I've never seen any any any Get that location and security and budget I've never seen anywhere where security food has been explained by any corona or by any president You want money we have budgeted for security The less secure you have to come At Nigeria and I saw a story where they said we are winning way against bandits And and Boko Haram Wonderful. More money we have allocated to security the more the more insecure you have become in this country And I've challenged the president. I've challenged the senate president. I've challenged the speaker. The speaker is from Suleyre Is from Lagos state my state. I challenge the speaker to travel from Abuja Lagos not fly to travel from Abuja to Lagos and I challenge the The senate president wins from Yobi to travel from from from Abuja to Yobi We got a security detail An experience a first and experience of what I'd have when Nigerian goes through traveling throughout the length and breadth of this country Traveling throughout the length and breadth of this country and for them to understand that Nigeria security of lives and property How secure lives and property are in Nigeria? So these people play to calorie. They are far away from reality. You know what? Okay All right, uh, many thanks for being part of the conversation this morning gd joneson We do appreciate your time and we hope that we have more time You know in the next week, you know to talk about some of this issue Once again, thank you for joining us. We'll quickly step on the brakes when we return We will continue with The program. Please stick around