 Our next caller is Wei from Australia. Hey, what's up, Wei? How can we help you? Hey, guys, how's it going? So my initial question I asked included, but was not limited to whether I should begin looking for a different coach who was qualified up to the standards and so far as my goals were concerned. So my current coach, I feel like, does not really possess the positive knowledge regarding diet and fitness in the academic sense. Yeah, in our most recent check-in, I interrogated a notion about time under tension and high tempo in virtually all of my exercises. Yeah, so I just wanted to know what you guys thought. Perhaps you guys have an abstract idea of where the preponderance of studies lie in regards to the efficacy of time under tension for building muscle. Okay, now what are you hiring this coach for? I've seen your original question that you sent us that it looks like you're trying to compete in a physique competition. National classic physique, yes. Okay, so you got yourself a coach that trains people to compete, correct? He has regular clients, but he himself has competed, so I thought that with this combination of experience and experience on stage and experience with other clients, I thought we might do well together. Well, I tell you what, so something I learned when we started Mind Pumping, I started working with Adam. So Adam, obviously a trainer, lots of experience like I had training everyday people, but also competed as a pro, and I can't wait to hear what he says, but what I got from working with him was, holy cow, there's a lot more to competing than just working out and diet that I would have never known because I didn't have the experience coaching other people to compete. There's a big difference between coaching yourself and coaching other people, so I'm gonna defer to Adam because this is something he's very experienced in. Well, first of all, because you're asking a question around time and attention and we can get into all that detail, but I'll tell you right away that a majority of the coaches, especially online coaches in the bodybuilding space are pretty terrible. Even the ones that have tremendous experience, pros, even the ones that have been on the Olympia stage, like a lot of these guys, they have figured it out for themselves, what they need to do to get their bodies to where they can win a show. That does not mean that they are good at coaching another person, nor does it mean they know probably the healthiest and smartest approach either. So if you're already questioning his knowledge or what he's telling you, your gut instincts are probably right. He's probably not very good at what he's doing because a really good coach, if he's telling you, no, don't do this or hey, you should do this, should also be able to back it up why we're doing this from a science perspective. I mean, so, and here's the thing too, you have to keep in mind that competitive bodybuilding is a sport. I know some people like to argue that and say it's not, yes it is, it's a sport. And so it's not healthy technically for you. So there's gonna be some things that are conflicting with science that supports the healthiest or the best way to do things also. This is a bit nuanced, right? It's not as cut and dry as like, here's what the science says. And so this is what you should do. Well, you're playing a sport and sports aren't healthy for the body. And so sometimes you're doing things to manipulate the look of your body more so than following the science on what the science says is the healthiest or the best approach. So it is a bit nuanced with that but I would be really weary of somebody who you're already questioning, their ability to explain to you what it is. What is it specifically that you wanna know about time under tension? What's your question around that? What is he saying to you and what would you like to hear from us? So from what I've gathered so far like studies just indicate that as long as you're controlling the weight on the descents, it will contribute as much as counting the seconds, counting down the seconds. So he asked me on like three second, four second eccentrics on like my compound movements. So like on the squats I'm lifting up to or more than 60% of my one-run maps, right? And he asked me on like three seconds, three seconds eccentrics for more than like eight reps. So I found that it might have impaired my ability to recover a little bit as well as might have availed in like the development of pain in my knee. Okay, you just might be, look, you might be doing too much. Yeah, as you say, it's probably more likely his training protocol on how much volume you're doing is probably hurting you more than manipulating the tempo. Because you could play with eight, go ahead. All of my workouts exceed like the two hour mark. So sometimes I'm go- Okay, so- There's your indication right there. So here's a big issue that I've seen with coaches is that they work in a world where the majority of the people that they work with and train around are enhanced by performance enhancing substances, which really they greatly increase your recovery and your ability to train hard and long. And you're natural, you said you're a natural. He knows that too, knows I'm an addict. Yeah, I know they know that, but they can be so skewed in terms of, oh no, you can handle this or you're young or you're working out. Or his knowledge is coming from his personal experience. I don't know, is he natural? I questioned, he was kind of dubious about it, but I think he is. He's probably not natural himself. And he's giving- Because he has like veins popping out of his like quads and like this all over like from his head to toe. So here's what we're gonna do is I'm gonna send you our Maps Aesthetic program. Yeah, just follow that. That is actually inspired by the way I used to train my body to get me all the way to the professional level. And by the way, I was on drugs. So, and I guarantee the volume is nowhere near what you're doing right now. I didn't train two hour training sessions in the gym, even when I was on high doses of PEDs and a pro men's physique athlete on year number four for me, I wasn't even training like that. So the idea that a natural athlete is training in the gym five to seven days a week for two hours of training session. And then you're also giving me feedback that your knees hurt and shit, well, yeah, no fucking shit. Your hammer and the shit out of your body and the recovery process and the amount of volume you're doing is extremely important to your results. And if your joints are talking to you, it's pretty obvious to what's going on. And it sounds like he's not well versed enough or experienced or educated enough to be able to explain that to you that that's what's going on. But it's pretty obvious to me that that's what's going on. And it's less to do with what the research and literature says around time and attention, what's better or not better. I could make you do eight second squats and not hurt your knees. But I also know that if I am going to increase the intensity on an exercise by slowing down the tempo, I'm gonna also modify your training elsewhere so I don't overdo it somewhere else. So, and it sounds like he's probably not doing that. So it doesn't sound like he's a very good coach. We wrote those programs maps aesthetic with the intent of helping somebody get ready for stage. And so that, you know, we're gonna send that to you for free. So you'll have it and you can literally follow that for a week and get a feel of what the volume of training you should be doing compared to probably what he's got you doing. And way in maps aesthetic, there's focus sessions which allow you to individualize the workout so you can focus on your weak body parts. Okay, so follow maps aesthetic as it's written out. Do focus sessions for one or two body parts that you need special attention on. As far as diet is concerned, here's where it can get really tricky because especially pre-contest diet or diet leading up to a show. This is where it can get a bit tricky. I would look at the network that Lane Norton works with because the coaches that work under him or the people that are associated with him, they do it the best way. They don't go into the fads and the trends and the weird shit. They do things that are science-based that are as healthy as you could possibly get while also looking great on stage. So look in his network for people to work with nutrition and then just follow maps aesthetic. I would not listen to this coach anymore because. Wait, what's your Instagram handle? Shredded bail. Shredded. B-A-L-E. No space or anything? Okay, I got you, I got you. All right, perfect. We'll take care of that for you and we'll send over you maps aesthetic, okay? All right, cheers guys. All right, brother, thank you. I wonder what his favorite protein is. Oh my God. I tell you what. You gotta love though, this idea that, this is nothing to do with the science around time and attention. No, he's doing freaking way too much. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's great that that was, gave him the, clued him in on the, maybe this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, but having him do three second, five second, eight second, two second. That's not the problem. Yeah, that's not the problem here at all. He's just trying to do his own research now to kind of figure it out and piece it together. He needs to find a coach that can just really point directly. Like, here's what we need to do. This is so unbelievably common. I mean, it was what motivated me to, so I had no intentions of coaching online. So when I first started competing and some of that, it was literally for what we were doing. It was, the goal was when I got into competing, it was, I'm gonna show the world. You're gonna build the social media. I'm gonna build a following to show people I know what the fuck I'm doing. That is gonna give me a network of people and then I'm gonna sell them this app that Justin and I were building. Obviously that never happened. But that was the goal. A business, a literally a six-figure business fell in my lap because it was so fucking easy to help all these people that were competing because there's so many bad fucking coaches. Terrible. There are so many coaches who because they got on stage themselves and even, or got to the pro level or even got to the Olympia stage that all these young kids that are aspiring to be like them just assume that they gotta know what they know what they're talking about. And many of them don't know shit. They know enough to get them to that. And honestly, most of them, the two biggest factors that have given them their success is their consistency. Because if you do any, even we've said this before on the show, right? A subpar program done consistently is better than a superior program done inconsistently. And if you made it to the Olympia stage, if you made it to a pro, you have unbelievable discipline. The discipline has taken anybody, I don't care what level or what your natural gifts or how much drugs you take, that that is the number one factor. And then the second one is drugs. You're taking so many drugs that you can get away with poor programming. You can get away with poor diet. And you throw genetics on top of that and it makes it even even crazier. So I've seen some of the craziest recommendations. Workouts, terrible. The diet stuff that I've seen some of these coaches recommend, downright, oh, downright dangerous. And then I'm not an expert on, you know, how you should use performance enhancing drugs. But I know enough to when I've seen some, I've had people show me and I look at the stuff and I go, oh my gosh, you're an amateur. What are you doing taking these insane combinations of drugs? My coach told me, you know, I saw this one girl. She was on enough hormones to eat. I mean, she was transitioning to become a man. She didn't realize it. She thought she was just trying to get on stage. It's really, really scary. So watch out for these user beware. That's it.