 Alright absolutely, you're still hanging out with us right here on Why In The Morning Today Being A Monday. It's all about MCM, and this is the last segment of today's morning show, but first things first, let's have a relationship on our social media. On that hashtag, which is Why In The Morning, at Y2F4 underscore channel on the ground, Facebook and Twitter, including TikTok at Y2F4 channel. If you want to see who is the best dancer in the morning show, please, check out our TikTok handle, which is at Y2F4 channel. But mine as well is at our Brian Sakon 101 hashtag, hashtag Go In The Morning, Si Sako, please. Sako ni Angu Pekke Angu. Alright. Now today being Wild Environment Day, Karabunsema Environmental Day, there's a lot to actually talk about, and I love the fact that, you know, from our first segment to the last day, we're just talking about, you know, how to conserve our environment. And the hashtag again is best plastic pollution. But before that, let me just get a little bit ex up on the way forward, some of the statistics and what pertains regarding that topic about it. So it says, if we act now, we can be plastic pollution, that is according to the United Nations, and the theme for this Wild Environmental Day will focus on solutions for plastic pollution under the campaign, again on the hashtag plastic pollution. So what are some of the activities expected in marking Wild Environmental Day? And according to the United Nations, a Wild Environmental Day will be hosted in Côte d'Ivoire, supported by Netherlands, and the theme will focus on once again plastic solution. But now let's narrow it down to our country Kenya. When it comes to the use and also, you know, our protecting our environment, we just remember we've come from, you know, a dispensation of extreme dry conditions to now, you know, those rain and now the rains are gone a little bit. But then the president has been very vocal especially when it comes to matters of global warming. Are there things that we can do as netizens of our country to ensure that we combat climate change that also leads to global warming? And I think the two actually intertwine, global warming, climate change. By the way, so joining us in studio, two powerful gentlemen who will actually help us to actually demystify this, are there things that we are known for as Kenyans that actually lead to, you know, environment pollution, especially when it comes to plastic? There's a time Nehmer introduced a plastic bun and I think he was still struggling from the transition of totally living without plastics. Is there a way we can permanently eradicate plastics? Or if not, is there a way that we can still live with plastics, but then use them responsibly? And how can we sensitize our young people, even the old as well, to ensure that you are sensitive towards, you know, protecting the environment? And the topic is, what are some of the misconceptions that actually surround this? Are there, you know, wrong answers? Are there right answers? And we'll be getting to that in just a bit. But joining us live in studio are two powerful gentlemen. One of them has been here before. He goes by the name Devin Majali. He's a media student at the University of Nairobi. And then we've got Abraham Ikokoni, he's new to the show as well. But he's a geospatial engineering student at the University of Nairobi. And I love the fact that you guys are young minds and this is something that, you know, you guys should love to take on. First of all, welcome. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning to you as well. Good morning. So let's get into it right up. You know, when it comes to Montesquai environment, you know, there's a lot of things that go in there. But then this is like the focusing specifically on plastics. Is there a way that we can live without, you know, a while where there are no plastics? And then if yes, what will replace plastics? And if no, what can we do? So I can start with you, Devin, and then I can come back to you, Abraham. Well, thanks, Agua. Well, according to me, we cannot just do away with plastics once and for all. We need them in a way or the other. I mean, as much as we might try to, you know, slow down the use and how we engage them in our daily activities, they're quite also important on our activities too. So as much as they're harmful to the environment, we cannot just run away from them directly and avoid them completely. We have to engage them in a few activities here and there, though they are so harmful to the environment and well, I can say we have to reduce the use and try to, you know, incomplicate other stuff that maybe seem to be like an alternative to plastics. Yeah. Okay. Abraham, do you think we can live in a world where permanently we can have plastics, especially we know we don't, because if we look at some of the biggest dumping sites in Dandora and the rest, actually the biggest, the biggest pile near plastics and they always end up at a drainage site in a lake or an ocean or at a river somewhere, you know, do you feel like it's possible to use your Nairobi and your high enough plastics, totally? Personally, I can say that living in the world with no plastics, as much as we are looking at the perspective that the people of Kenya, the population is so high. So if you are to eradicate plastics, for example, it's a matter of time and maybe what are the new procedures the government is to take. Coming back from a tiny memorial, we've been using the ceramics, the ones, you know, the ones like the mech from, if you are to talk of glasses, for example, we've been having the ones from Silica, the soil made ones, the soil made equipments, for example, the glasses talking of. So if we are to eradicate plastics, that means we are to go back to where we came from. We are to start using the utensils, you know, the ones made from soil. That is what I can say, if we are to eradicate it, then we have to get stringent measures to curb the usage of the plastics there is. Let me jump back to you, Devin. When it comes to environment, you know, there's a lot of things that come into play. Not just plastics, but there's a lot of contributors that lead to pollution. But now, let's narrate down to the day, World Environment Day. What comes to your mind exactly when this day pops up? Well, World Environment Day, to me, this is a very important day because it teaches how to be, you know, get ourselves in a position where we care more about our environment and not just what we think is right. I think when I do this environment, when I dispose this stuff, it's going to be good to the environment, but maybe it has repercussions and maybe later on it will come to a great. So on such a day, we have to really sense it as ourselves and get to know more about what does it take to take care of an environment and what are the benefits when you're taking care of an environment, when you are, you know, you are conscious and you know, you are much concerned on what you are doing on, I mean, everything, whatever you're handling, how you're handling your stuff, how you're disposing everything, how is your cleanliness, sanity, it all talks about environment, how you are polluting the environment. Are you taking measures to, you know, prevent pollution and all such like kind of stuffs? And so today, I can say everybody has to be, you know, ready to get more information and embrace this day and also create awareness for the people because it means a lot when it comes to our lives because this is something that affects us one on one. I might do something, maybe I just bought a bag and then I dispose it, you know, not minding of how it will end up, but later on it might not affect me directly, but it must have some, you know, impact on somebody else. And maybe the circle still come back to me and affect me directly. And so we have to be careful on what we do. If you are, if you are handling anything, it can't be food stuffs, it can't be anything. I mean, in your daily activities, how you are working, and I mean, let's just be conscious of our environment and, you know, be careful. Okay. I picked up, let's say you must have some measures, but we'll talk about that towards the tail. And Abraham, what comes to your mind when you think of our climate? Personally, when I think of the world environment today, there are number of things that come to my mind. One is on pollution. As a matter of fact, when we are to talk of an environment day, what are the things we are doing to make sure that we live in an environment free of pollution? Two, we are talking of matters to do with energy, distribution or, you know, effective use of the renewable sources of energy. So what are the ways in which we can make them reach the so many people who are depending so much on the non-renewable sources? I think that is one of the way, the distribution and awareness, creating awareness on the use of our renewable forms of energy is one of the ways in which we can ensure the resustainability in the ensuring we are living in an environment that suits humanity. I think those are the things. Another thing I should see comes to my mind when I talk of the world environment day is on matters of climate change. As a matter of fact, we are living in an environment where the climate as a matter, as an issue, is gradually changing over time. So should we live in the misconception part of it that maybe climate is a natural thing, climate change is a natural thing or something like that. It's like, you know, the universe just cleans itself and all of a sudden magic will happen, the dot will go and then we remain with clean environment. But indeed it's us who will have to take action and do that. And still on that, then I can ask you this question, what are some of the things that we do, especially in Kenya here, and I was specifically down to Nairobi that actually lead to climate pollution, because the busiest hashtag is beat plastic pollution. But then plastic has been mentioned a lot. Is it like the main, main, main, main pollutant before we get to what are some of the misconceptions? Is it the main pollutant? And what are some other activities that we do that lead to pollution? So we've talked of plastic dumping as one of the ways in which we pollute the environment. I should say we have a number of ways in which our environment is polluted, specifically when we are referring to Nairobi as a city. We've, you know, garages, garages, you know, the mechanics do a number of things. And most of the time I see, I have a walk, I find them dumping all of the waste, you know, in the rivers. And speaking from a much of fact, currently when you're looking at the situation along river Nairobi, you will take note that the, you know, the water, the color of the water is not to the expectation. Right. Is it because they're dumping, you know, the oil and the grease? Yeah. Like it's like the main, it's like the, the dumping site near a river, specifically. Because I think in the intro I mentioned, you know, plastic somehow always end up in a lake, a drainage system, a river, an ocean, the main part now. I'm not sure they're good to write. I said, I meant like plastic always find a way to ending up, you know, at a lake, at an ocean, at a river. Even there's a graphic photo, not a graphic, there's a photo they played that had, you know, a huge, a huge bunch of, you know, plastic that at the ocean. So there's always a way that, you know, it ends up in a river body. Right. Is there a way that we can, you know, prevent that? You know, how can we stop, you know, people from dumping in rivers, lakes, drainage systems? I should say we can't have an appropriate way of covering the dumping of the plastics and in the water bodies. But I should say we've always, in which we can help improve or reduce, reduce the dumping. How? What are some of the ways? One of the ways, I think, it is just from a personal perspective, like what is an individual going to do to end the dumping of plastics in the water bodies? It's a matter of what, which kind of an environment would you mind having after doing a certain activity? That's a good question. Like being sensitive of your surroundings. Okay, Divin, do you think there are ways that we can permanently, let me say activities that we can permanently do to ensure that we end dumping of plastics in riversides, generally water bodies? Well, there are many ways we can handle this case. Well, there are many ways also of polluting the environment, despite the fact that plastics are being given a higher chance when it comes to pollution in the environment. But we also have many ways. Yeah, yeah, I mean, when we are talking of pollution, we are mentioning plastics mostly, but still we are forgetting the other ways we are polluting the environment. So maybe you can say it's ignorance. And when you are focusing on plastics alone and forgetting about otherwise, then it means we are going to focus our efforts and all our attention on plastics and maybe we can successfully handle the case with plastics. But again, other stuff will now come in and now harm us even more worse than the plastics could have done in the first place. So maybe an example, we have chlorofluorocarbons, we have carbon emissions, how people are handling their daily activities. When it comes to engines, we have factories, how are they disposing their waste, those chemicals, they might not be disposing plastics in the rivers, but they are disposing chemicals. So these chemicals also, you know, I am a human being and I live on this earth, I breathe oxygen, right? That's what I take in and take an example, aquatic animals. The water means a lot to them as much as I mean, as much as the air means a lot to me right now. So if you are to dispose harmful stuffs to the water, then it means we are not taking good care of an aquatic setup, which also plays a good role in our cycle, our life cycle. We depend on one thing in a way or the other. So the best way is to just be sensitive and try as much as possible to minimize on how we are handling our daily activities, how we are handling our, you know, our stuffs, how we we do our, you know, our activities, how I mean. Okay. So, but also, you know, pollution is really large. It's like now we've narrowed it down to like soil and water. It can go from air pollution to sound pollution. Abraham you mentioned, you know, at the garage, the oil and the grease somehow finds its way in the river and you mentioned of Nairobi River. Now when it comes to other, other means of like, you know, having alternatives of survival, especially when it comes to Nairobi, of course, cars are the biggest, biggest emitters of air, especially you mentioned carbon fluoride oxide, but I think it's carbon monoxide or carbon dioxide. That is a gas that's actually, it's a choking gas. So when we have it released majorly in the air, especially in Nairobi, at some point you'll find that there's pluses where there's no enough fresh air. And so there's need to actually plant trees. There's need to ensure that we have enough air ration. And pluses like offices, even right now we have air consistent because we just want to keep our air clean. But then when it comes to actually mitigating that, do you think that there are ways that we can, especially from a student's perspective, how can we have this conversation begin from you guys who are still in school? So that by the time you're getting outside here, you already have the information to even empower like two, three, four, five people even more. Yes, sure. I can say being sensitive on how we handle our activities is the best idea because take an example, we'll just say emission of various gases like maybe the nitric acid gas, the, you know, those harmful gases to the environment and most of them are emitted by vehicles and so on. So if as young people we can come up with inventions maybe and come up with, you know, machines that do not really depend so much on fuel and such like kind of stuff that are very harmful to the environment and come up with ideas that maybe are an alternative, you know, they will perform the same function. The vehicles are serving us, but on a different way, not depending on fuels maybe. People are now coming up with electric vehicles. Well, to me again, these are made because people are saying electric vehicles as much as they don't depend on fuel, then it's a repercussion. I mean, it's in a way reduces emissions and pollution to the environment, but not really. Well, it's, it has some positive impact, right? Not totally, but I mean, it has a positive impact because as much as, you know, we are not emitting those gases, but also, you know, the vehicles personally, you know, the charging, the charging part of it takes place from, you know, fuel, fuel plants. And so the vehicle itself is not, you know, emitting gases directly, but who is it being charged from? The whole cycle will still go back to the fuels. So there is no way. So your point is the charging systems could possibly come from like using fuel, like liquid fuel. Possibly, yeah. Possibly, not certain. Well, you know, it's certain. But you know, that's the president's, that's actually one of the president's target for ensuring that we have immobility in the country, which he calls it the immobility target project, to ensure that we eradicate use of fossil fuel. And then we have electric vehicles that includes motorbikes. And I think he talked about it in his Madarakadei speech, if you watched, he talked about immobility and he's going to ensure like half of Nairobi, they embrace it. Which I feel is a good move to, you know, curb carbon emissions from cars and the rest of machines. It's a good move because it eradicates to some extent. Okay. And if you are to take that direction, and maybe everybody is embracing the same, then we'll have done something positively in a bit. But totally we are not, we have not just run away from, you know, pollution totally. It does not, you know, do away with it completely. But it's, I can say it's a measure in a way that maybe tries to handle the issue. And so we can also try and press, you know, just taking care of the environment. If I'm planting trees right now, maybe I go to a dump site where, you know, waste are all over plastics. That's what we're talking of. And even metallic cans, maybe those that cannot decompose easily. Then in such a place, maybe I recline it to something like a forest or something I plant trees. So, well, we must have dump sites. That's a fact that also we cannot run away from. Because where are we going to take our waste? So we must have them. But at least if we are taking good care of, there is a way we can handle such like places so that they don't cause much impact. They don't really harm us mostly, but at least in a way reduce. Yeah. All right. Let me come to you, Abraham, with a different question. Do you think activists in Kenya who are passionate about climate change and advocacy are not as highly, you know, recognized, are they are not there? Have you heard of any climate change advocate so far that you could say, yes, I know one. He's from my university, or I'm even one myself. Have you come across one? Not really, but one thing I wanted to interrupt. You can interrupt and then you'll answer your question. You talked of, like, how can I, the question you posted to Mazzalewa, can I have something to tell someone somewhere? Right. And how can I make change from a student's perspective? Yeah. Personally, I should see as much as we are talking over plastic dumping as well with pollution from industries. At Nairobi as a county, I should say we've a number of industries here that do pollute the environment. But should we see the government is working that extraordinarily to ensure that whichever the emission that gets to the environment is at par to the laws governing the industrial emissions. So that is one of the things that I should see the government should be looking at when initiating the registration of these industries. The companies there, especially at mid. Sure. But you realize most of the emissions are liquid from the industries you're mentioning. Most of them are liquid and especially it goes down to sewage, water, polluted water, chemicalized water that is released to the river. And I wanted to see whether the emissions are liquid form or gaseous form. The company should just be to, you know, regularize in such a way that before the emissions, so before the discharge, they have to go through the required procedures before releasing such to the environment. And why should they be released to a river? Why not have your own dumping site as a company and preserve your own waste? At some point again, you should be thinking of, you know, population density maybe Nairobi. As much as we are talking of maybe a way in which an industry can work on having it is on in a waste management. We should be looking at how much space do we have so far to instill such systems? So you think it can be very difficult to manage it since the population is really, it's a populace, you know, a number of people living in Nairobi? I should not say it's difficult. But then, you know, as much as we are looking for change, there are things we can't just work and do. There are things we do in steps. Gradual things at times, you know, will at last lead to the main aim. So if the industries are to instill such systems, I should say they need to work, you know, industries work on profits, you know. So for them to ensure that your profits in Ahujana, like whatever they gave us a capital for running their companies in that duration, in Arayana, profit in Atoka. Okay. Like what they put as the capital in Atoshana now, profit in Atoka. Okay, it's okay, but it's all right. I can come up again. So it's okay. We can move on to something else. Do you think it's possible for us as Nairobi citizens to permanently do away with plastics, like less embraces the career box is a green? Like it's possible. I've not seen it so far, even for me, like especially it will always end up in a colorless plastics polythene bag. Is it possible to permanently do away with it before we come to the myths and misconceptions? I should say, personally, it's not an easy thing to end the use of the plastic career box so far, like you say, because we've, you know, living in a country with different people, with different mindsets, we should say people have different ways in which they perceive change. Right. Yeah. Okay. So if we are to talk of eradicating, then it means all of us will be having the same mentality in which we treat plastics, which is not the case when living in such a county. Nice. Devin? Well, on maids or maybe how we handle our... How we can eradicate plastics in Nairobi, like when they could buy maize, it's not logical. Well, having such like bags, you know, the current ones, those we're using right now, it's a good move when it comes to handling the environment and pollution matters. But it does, you know, we cannot just do away with the polythene bags completely because in a way or the other, we need this polythene bags. I mean, yeah, sure. We cannot, you know, you cannot go to Mamboga and you expect her to, you know, give you maybe a vendor, let me say a fruit vendor, and you want something liquid to be served to you in a polythene. I mean, these current bags, I don't know what material they made from because it's not silk, it's not cotton. Yeah, it's not cotton neither. But, you know, when it comes to Mamboga and, you know, stuff you can handle easily, well, it's possible. But liquid stuff, it's not, it's quite impossible. So in a way, we can try to eradicate on how we are using plastic bags, but we cannot just do away, yeah, we minimize. Because we can't permanently eradicate. Yeah, permanently, it's quite impossible. So as you think on that, I'm just about to give you a little bit of what the president said, I'm going to find it shortly. But I want you to think, oh, what are some of the household activities that we do personally, that pollute the environment before we get to all the myths and misconceptions, you can think of two, and then Devin as well, which are the common ones, even at the campus, you know, I know you guys stay at a hostel or something, or even home, you know, let me imagine that. Sure. What are some of the two, three activities that we do ignorantly, like, bro, he was the manager for like, you know, I am the point here is ignorant. Because maybe you're washing and you just pour your water anyhow. You know, you've been using chemicals. You don't know which chemicals are this, you know, which chemicals make up this soap or detergents you've been using. So when you're just pouring your water anyhow on the environment you're polluting, maybe in a way, it's going to block the, you know, the oxygen cycle of the soil and in a way, you know, the organic animals in those soils contribute much in our environment. And so when you're doing such a kind of activities, you are really bringing a negative impact into, you know, the environment. Another example, maybe you are cooking, right? And we're using fuels, you know, we can impress things like gas, you know, those don't, maybe you say electricity, that's a good move. When you're using electricity comparatively to somebody using a stove, you know, using kerosene or something. So in a way this person using an electric cooker then must be reducing or, you know, minimizing on, you know, emissions and totally, you know, at the end of the day the impact would be much better on the environment or much worse. So in a way we can, I can say, let's just be conscious and be sensitive on our activities and we'll really handle this, though we cannot just do away with it completely. So the point here is minimizing and, you know, slowly coming up with measures that maybe seem to be alternatives to the whole big deal. Yeah, Abraham, before I come to you, let me read before this goes out. This was at, the president spoke at Rotterdam in an African climate summit held at the Global Center Adaptation, abbreviated as GCA in Rotterdam once again in Netherlands and it's also in conjunction with Côte d'Ivoire. He said, quote unquote, climate change is a global threat. It's not about who contributed to eat or not. It's about how we work together to address it. And then he also said climate change possesses a threat to all nations that must now work together or perish together. So it's a fight. And then he also added that climate change is influencing every conversation across the globe, citing education, water provision, agriculture, trade, security and health and the rest are some of the ministers that are present. But you guys, do you support that? Do you feel like it's a global threat, not just been pointing that, you know, Kenya is not doing enough and we need to actually be sensitive and we need to do something about changing and conserving our climate? Well, climate change right now is a global threat and statistics have it that Africa right now is the most affected country when it comes to pollution and I mean climate change and climate change comes from pollution and such a kind of stuff. But again, statistics again have it that Africa is the most, you know, continent that's trying to, you know, when it comes to, you know, when you're looking at how, you know, continents are meeting carbon emissions and, you know, the greenhouse effect and all like such a kind of stuff. Africa is in a way, you know, trying to reduce and minimize. Other continents are doing it in a much worse, but again, on the other hand, it's affecting us. Yeah. And then it's affecting us like fossil countries are doing it and then instead of them suffering, it's us suffering the effects. We are trying to prevent it, but again, we are the one getting the effects directly. Well, it's affecting them also, but not really as it's doing it to us. Oh, so it's indirectly for us. Yeah, for us maybe it's directly. And now when we become ignorant as a continent or as an individual level and say, I do not emit, you know, carbon emissions as my neighbor does, but again, I get the, you know, the effects more than he does. So the blame won't help me at all. You know, I might end up saying then let's all of us just emit. Let's just do whatever it takes because, you know, I'm sick and tired of all this because I'm trying to prevent and I'm never getting the effects. So we cannot take such like a conclusion. We really have to, you know, as much as maybe create awareness and maybe try to, in a way, through conferences and such like kind of stuff. So awareness through conferences. Yeah. And maybe educate other people, other continents and how they handle their stuff. All right. Absolutely. Thanks for that. Yes, Abraham. You talked of, you asked on ways in which maybe we pollute the environment from a household. I should say, having come from, you know, the rural setup, I should say, Western region specifically, we do work too much in the use of charcoal. And I should say, charcoal burning as an issue do emit carbon monoxide, if I'm to mention, but one of the gases which contributes to the global warming at last, you know, individual individual cases, individual cases from a different, you know, sources. Maybe if I'm burning from this section, then we have another person burning somewhere, you know, a collective pollution at last would lead to warming, global warming. As you see, there are so much of the drastic effects would face when we experience such. Right. Yeah. A way in which we can maybe reduce the use of a charcoal, I should say sensitization at times works the best. You know, when we sensitize, we through conferences, you know, we can have public addresses, something like that would at last make the public be aware of the possible outcomes. What about alternative uses of cooking energy? Like, what is the other one, especially that has to do with biogas, but biogas already suffice a gas, you know, but you see, it's one of, like, the immediate, immediate alternative to, like, using charcoal, like Abraham has mentioned. Yeah, people are taking it as an alternative. Well, it's a good move, because now it reduces, but it's also burning and releasing smoke. Yeah, and maybe I can say, are we overthinking or maybe the whole big deal cannot just be, you know, completely done away with. Is it a difficult conversation? Quite, quite, quite difficult, because as much as there are ways we can, you know, handle it, but again, the same ways we can use to handle it are the same ways, maybe in a way, they will end up, you know, harming us. But comparatively, obviously, there are alternatives in every solution, I mean, in every, in each case. So if you are to take a step forward, as an individual, as a country, as a continent, then we also have to look at the other side of the coin. How will it end up? It sounds to be quite a good deal, but at the end, does it even have some negative effects also? Even on the burning charcoal, let me interrupt, even on the burning charcoal point, it leads to deforestation. You have to cut a number of trees before you burn them to charcoal and now come use it. So it's already leading to environmental destruction. Deforestation and all that. So in a way, well, it reduces, right? We agree, we all agree, but again, we have also created a deficit somewhere. But maybe there are also alternatives. What if I am cutting and then planting? There is something called a carbon credit. The carbon credit. Like for example, if companies are to emit, you know, gases and all that, there is a, they take the carbon credit and at last that fund, you know, the money, those funds from such like kind of stuff will end up, you know, taking care of the environment. For example, you're talking of climate funding. Yeah, yeah. No, for example, I own a company, I take a carbon credit. So even if I am polluting the river, the same fund will be used on how to reclimate. All right, I get that. So those are alternatives. So if I am cutting trees and maybe, you know, selling charcoal, then from the fund I get, I buy a few seedlings to plant. So in a way I created a deficit, but I have also made, you know, come up with a way on how to, you know, to feel the black and a solution kind of. Right. Let's get to the myths and misconceptions or perceptions rather. What is some of the, I'll say some of the things that we talk about lately, especially when it comes to climate, and you mean, but they will come back to global warming, climate change and global warming will come back to it later. But what are some of the common things that we talk about, you know, we just assume, you know, and Tattupatua, Pantua, Taukota, but then what are the rest of the common things that we just assume about the climate? Yeah, one of the misconceptions maybe I should say people have at times is that the individual actions can't lead to maybe climate change if I'm to talk of. At some point you will realize that if so many individuals would practice something that will lead to maybe, you know, pollution as a collective perspective would see changes in the climate. So it is, it will be a misconception seeing that an individual action can't affect climate in as much as we are seeing it being that in some way. Water, right. I get your point. At last we would have the effects coming now. I get your point. Yes, Devan? Yeah, there are various myths on this topic. For example, I just mentioned earlier the use of, you know, electric vehicles have less impact on the environment and that's right. But also they have also a negative impact on the environment. So to me it's kind of a myth or something. And also there is something that we can do away with carbon emissions completely. We cannot just do away with them completely. Maybe what we can do is to, you know, minimize. And so this brings up a point of ignorance because, you know, if media and everybody is talking about let's embrace, you know, electric vehicles. Let's do away completely with carbon vehicles. I mean carbon emissions. So that's what everybody is going to do in the public setup. But again, they are forgetting now that it also has some negative effects. So as much as the, you know, the media and everybody and the government tries to come up with measures to reduce the pollution and, you know, come up with ways to, you know, to handle the climate change issue, it should also, you know, sensitize the public on the negative sides so that as much as I'm taking this as a measure, then at the end of the day, how will it affect me? If not me, how will it affect my neighbor and my society and everybody at large? But so, you know, when I know all the sides of this coin, then I know if I handle this, this way, this how it will end up. And if it ends up in this way, it will be a good idea or maybe not. If not, then I might choose that alternative. So why is here, I mean, chances here are, let's, you know, look at ways that if not totally handling this issue, then at least you'll create more positive impact than the negative side. Okay. What if on a perception or a myth, let's imagine you're sitting in a matatu going back to, going back home, and you bought this small bottle of Coca-Cola just around here, you drink your finishing, you throw it while the vehicle is in motion and just assume, you know, it ended up, I would say, too magical. But it's going to affect a cow that will cross the road, a goat, it's a cool and then it ended up cool. Do you know if just assumed magic will happen, but you've polluted the environment? So people are just reckless. They assume if I do this, as much as it's not affecting me directly, I mean, then everything is okay, but it's not okay at the end of the day, because in a way it will still come back to you. I just finish maybe a, you know, a street juice and then throw out that catamplia or the straw, they're made of plastics, right? And you know, I don't mind how it will end up. So in a way it's going to, you know, affect somebody else. So I can say, let's be, you know, sensitive on what we do. If I am handling this, even, I mean, just everything, because now this talk we're talking about every activities, you know, this is our environment and whatever handles, then it must have either positive or negative impacts on the environment. So if you are going to handle it in a right way, then it won't bring negative effects. But if you are to handle it in the right way, then it will be, you know, everybody will be happy because everything will run as, you know, smoothly and in a good line as we all expect. Okay. As we finish up, but it was about to say about global warming. Yes, I love to interrupt. Say your point. We've, we've another misconception that renewable sources of energy are infinite. Like they never, they are in excess, inexhaustible. You know, I should say, you know, in as much as they're renewable, you know, when we are using them in a, in a way, we are not that keen, you know, their times can be drastically perishing, you know, we may lack them at last. But when we're talking of maybe renewable forms of energy like we've fuel, wood fuel, in as much as it is renewable, but what if we use them? But we don't have that, you know, inside feeling it like we should keep replacing. If you're burning charcoal, like you've said, we have frustration, right? You're getting. So if we are not that much keen, renewable forms at last can also end up being what? Exhausted. All right. Now, for layman's language, people who live especially in extreme ends of like Dandora, where is the biggest dam so it's in Nairobi, Koyole, Koyole, Kibra, Kalecrop Jones, how do you start this conversation? But then you'll also realize even, I'd say bath control, bath control measures like condoms are still plastic, anyways, you know, which we advocate for, you know, a lot on a larger geoconversation. Well, if you are to bring such like a topic to somebody, deep down, you know, on ground, these are people, they feel like if this stuff is not affecting me directly, then it's not my concern. So if you are to bring to him or her such like a topic, then you have to mention something that to him or her sounds like it's going to have an impact on his or her life directly, you know, positively. So for example, if I come to such like a person and introduce a topic, instead of, you know, just disposing these plastics anyhow, what if we come up with a business idea and now, you know, try to create them, you know, create, you know, bricks or tiles or something. So to him, it will sound more like a business idea. And you know, it will entice him to fall for the trap. Yeah, he will definitely, definitely. But again, deep down, you know, I know my intentions. In the first place, I wanted to, you know, me and him to, you know, to conserve the environment and cut the whole man. Now it's a business. You're making money. Now, on that point, do you think even the advocates are my activists who are climates? Let's say, what's when you're compassionate about, you know, you can't throw that plastic bag, if you throw it, you must pick it now or I take you to the police. You know, do we have such people in Kenya? Are they less? Are they more? Are you one yourself? The ones we read about in the news outlets are very like, it's a handful. They're not even like 10. But there's one, I think we interviewed here, I think two months ago, who are saying that, you know, you can pollute your soil, you can prevent it, but you can never, you know, you can never conserve the air. You know, what you pollute in the air, it's either you have to find a machine that goes into the air to filter it out or you just stop releasing gas into the air. Now, when it comes to such activists who are passionate about, you know, advocating for clean air in Nairobi, are they even funded? Are they even recognized? Do we need even a system that actually needs to be implemented to actually bring them on board? Yeah, really. I second you because I think we really need a system and maybe even if it means, you know, a body in the government that really plays that role. And because what if maybe, take for instance, I'm really into this case of, you know, carving the menace about climate change and polluting the environment. But now, okay, in a while, I might be also spending. I'm using funds maybe to help me, you know, educate everybody campaigns and all that, you know, social awareness, public awareness. But now, so in a way I'm spending, but there are no, there are no outcomes, there are no incomes. So if I am supported, then I also get enticed and have more energy to do the same. So these people are very few in our current setting in our common setup. What do you think there are few? Is it because you're mentioning the source of money? Because if you really to do it, then it must be deep down from your heart because you must yeah, it must be out of passion because in a way we are not getting anything from it. So as much as we're sensitizing people on how to, you know, take care of the environment, but well, it helps, but on your side, you are losing. So if you have passion and really want to help the society, then you will do it. That's why we have a few individuals who are still insisting in the same and they are doing it. So I think the good move will be if we have, you know, a government supported something, you know, to help such like kind of people and, you know, and these people, I think we can make them feel proud and, you know, support them. The government can say, you know, we are we are offering you this, you know, a certain media house or something, you know, such like shows and you will be airing it to everybody. We are offering you maybe vehicles, you know, those road shows and whatever. So they feel encouraged. But at the end of the day, who turns up to a road show about, you know, climate change, are they people who are passionate about it or people who are concerned or affected people, which is a good conversation, but we're out of time. I think we can have a part two. By the way, this is a really important conversation, but it's difficult to want to have because it needs more insight and it needs more backup. I just say your social media in a second place, where can people catch you as we go? Yeah, it can be found on all the social media platforms. My name is Abraham Omusungu. Okay. Yeah, on Twitter. Everywhere. Yeah. Right. Well, on YouTube, at Driplet, Viper1300 and on TikTok, find me at DevArts on IG, get me at AlvinGavio. So they are quite different, but that's how I operate. You guys have really interesting handles. So that's our Advoy2Four channel, underscore on the gram at BrianSakwa101, hashtag going in the morning. My good name is Sakwa. See you tomorrow for Health Tuesday and Entrepreneurship Tuesday. Have a fantastic Monday. See you tomorrow.