 Next question is from Philip M Carol. What are your thoughts on fitness trackers like whoop, Apple watch, etc? I think that these tools are great for people who are probably already consistent and probably already totally into fitness I do not think that these tracking devices are gonna make a huge dent in the segment of the population that is Challenged with being consistent with exercise. It's just more data But it's not addressing the root cause of the issue which has nothing to do with data We have lots of information everybody can look up calories and Exercises and what to do the issue is not data and information the issue is how to get coached through that how to develop the Relationship with those things and so I don't think they're gonna change much But like trainers and people who are consistent really cool technology. I personally like them But I do feel like there's a very much of a window of relevancy to them and in that being In terms of understanding your own habits and Just like you when you track food just like when you really pay attention to any of your behaviors I think that it brings awareness. So if if you feel a certain feeling and it's able to Help kind of give you a number to that and and you can start seeing that matching your feeling But really you already had the feeling In terms of like I don't feel like I'm a hundred percent today and I'm overstressed and like I'm pretty sure your body can tell you that and you can hone in on that But you know and I'm talking about HRV in terms of it feeling like I have I have like You know, I'm fully ready today and I could I could press it and I could go a little more intense today Or like step count or all these other kinds of things like I think you know Whether you're active or not at a certain point and I think you should know that and that's really the point of it is Not to be reliant on the number telling you how to dictate How to navigate through your programming? I I mean I've said since the beginning of the show that I love these things I think they're I think they're incredible. Um, I Wish a lot of them existed when I first started as a trainer. I think Sal you guys both bring up great points I think that you're right I think it I think it benefits the the fitness enthusiasts the most It doesn't benefit my mom so much at all really because I don't think that she's in that place of even like you the the idea of it Is education? It's it's to get you closer to understanding what's going on Like how is my body burning and what is what happens when I eat like this and when I exercise like that when I do this And I don't do that It's we've got all these incredible tools to help you get closer to understanding that Most fitness enthusiasts are excited about that and they want to know that so this obviously is an incredible tool for them Where I see it go wrong is when people want to compare all of them like this person who's asking Whoop apple fit bit like which one's better, you know, which one's more accurate, you know And they want to compare the reading it's giving them to exactly what they think their body is like And that's the wrong way to go about this. It's like listen None of these things are precise Even if it does line up precisely with your metabolism Generally speaking, none of these things are 100 accurate And the idea is just to like Justin's point is just to bring more awareness to what you're currently doing So if you if you go into it with that that idea that oh, I'm using this to look at my own patterns My own behaviors. Oh when I do this and I think this is what's going to happen And then I see the outcome because it's being tracked digitally for me And I can go back and look at graphs and and and go. Oh, wow. I was wrong here Or oh, wow was spot on here or I was a little off there Like that's where this thing becomes valuable is to be able to use that as a way to get a better education on What is going on with your body? Where you go wrong with it is looking at it like hard facts like Oh, my fit bit said I burned 7000 calories day. So I could eat 5000. I'm not going to get fat like Thinking like that is the wrong way to look at it Use this this data to get closer to understanding your metabolism metabolism is one of the like You know we talk about the seven wonders of the world, right? You think this is the the universe and metabolism, right? Is up there metabolism universe gut brain, right? There's like it's like one of the most complex things that we don't fully understand And I think that these tools help us get a better understanding of it You can't expect them to be exact and precise to everybody So stop looking at these tools like that use them as a piece of education But at the end of the day the promise is it's going to help the average person It's going to make this huge dent because of all this and it's not because look at our obesity is on the rise still And these tools are getting better and better look Obviously a trainer working with you is the best possible thing you can have okay, but here's what makes trainers effective It's not because they tell you what to do If you had a trainer look if I could hire a trainer for every american But the trainer only told them what exercises to do and how many calories to eat and how many calories they burn They would be ineffective Trainers that are effective coach people they coach them through the process. These don't do that They just give people data. There's already shit tons of data go on the internet You get all the data you want that ever existed you could access at all does nothing People don't need data people need coaching and if you've been listening to this show long enough, you know this This is why we don't sit and talk about proteins carbs and fats and percentages and ratios like because that's the That shouldn't change in people's lives Does it does that mean that doesn't help me as a competitor to get in competitive shape? No, of course I needed that stuff But to reach the general population it's it's more about behavior and understanding yourself And that's why we speak to that all the time these tools are not changing that game They're not and they're not going to disrupt that whatsoever Yes for the fitness enthusiasts will help you to get more precise and and a better understanding hundred percent Hey, if you enjoyed that clip you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe