 This I want us I want to I want to it's a the movie I watched with you last year has a Has the other half of it coming up, so I need to watch it to complete it That's your endgame Isn't it Roger? Yes to watch the last half of a two-parter movie not a two-parter movie They're two separate movies. It's two-parter movie. If you really hated the first part you wouldn't care how it ended. I Didn't I never said I hated it. I just when did you start hating at Marvel movies? Roger I think the question we're all asking is why do you hate fun? That's the question and Like wouldn't you ask me the same thing? No, I think you are being very reasonable. You're just saying it's not for me Patrick is picking up Roger. There's a bus coming and he's throwing Under the bus. I don't know what French is for What for throwing someone under the bus. That's actually a good expression. Let's all learn that is that yeah Is there an is there an idiomatic equivalent in French? Oh? Like I can't think of it. I'm sure under the Yeah, like we making somebody you know Making everyone aware of the fact that somebody did something Conveniently letting someone else take all the yeah, no, no, I understand what it means. I I'm not sure I Remember the one in French. I'm sure there is but for some reason I can't think you like it. Yeah, yeah What about finish tossing that I get maker? Yes, that is exactly what it is. Thank you very common common phrase I just I said earlier throwing someone under the croissant, which I think Throwing someone under the might be the best because then you got a croissant on your face buttery and fresh How can I make you angry again? I'm now hungry for croissant Actually, I'm sorry that I don't like superhero movies guys. I mean, I Just with so many now I have the luxury of being critical before I couldn't because yeah Yeah, like somebody has to be like this is going to like possibly win best picture and then I'll be like, okay Let's watch it and then I usually fall asleep because there's too much action I'm not gonna I would love the action more if it wasn't predictable For me like a lot of it just 10 I mean like Pacific Rim I mentioned this before Pacific Rim put me to sleep Because everything I saw was like oh as bored. You just need to eat more regularly No, I think like when the action You can almost like clockwork be like I think it's hang minutes to like snooze a little before they start talking again And like someone will win and I'll just know at the end I don't have to watch like the whole 10 minutes of them fighting. Well, let's say if you don't like action Action movies are probably a safe Not for you I want to see but I want to see Godzilla Haven't there been like nine Godzilla's already why are we still there's like 20s plus something Hey, hasn't there been like nine movies where human cries 3,501 daily tech news shows when I've cried every single one. I love them of the tech shows Yeah, you just don't you don't hear it at the end because she's logs. She signs off sometimes Can you read line three today? Ms. Lane, yes, I can all right. Here we go count you in three two one Jeffrey Zilx has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Jeffrey become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday April 2nd 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom erit and from studio feelin. I'm Sarah Lane and from the shores of Finland I'm the newly beardless Patrick and I'm the show's producer and critical Marvy Marvel movie watcher Roger Chang Patrick Beja your boys good looks have been maintained under that beard. You look you look lovely. Oh, thank you You do too. Well, I'm sure I would if I shaved this beard We I've got some European Union updates coming from Patrick We're also going to talk about Google shutting down more products and whether we're losing faith in Google or not But let's start with a few tech things you should know Walmart is letting customers add grocery items to their online shopping carts by voice starting this month So now you will say we're coming up. Anyway, you will say Google talk to Walmart to a google assistant device And then the system will use prior purchases to choose correct brands and sizes Valve accidentally posted unfinished web pages about its upcoming index VR headset mentioning a June 15th ship date with engadget confirmed which engadget confirmed with valve The index appears to include its own headphones and cameras on the outside pointing to inside out tracking similar to the oculus rift s Valve will make an official announcement May 1st Microsoft refreshed its surface book to base model today entails latest hgen quad core i5 processor goes in the 13th inch surface book 2 And they discounted the existing dual core seventh gen model to $1299 Microsoft's going to hold a surface event on april 17th in new york city That's expected to include detail pricing and availability for the surface hub To hardware plus some accessories and office furniture from steel case apparently Spark email has launched on android with most of the same features as the ios version of the app Among other things spark lets users customize menu icons notification options and access quick widgets And it's time to talk about the indian elections and what what's up Yeah, who are you voting for tom? All right. So ahead of the elections in india. What's up? Is introduced a tip line to send forwards and rumors and suspicious sounding messages And have them verified and this is something that you know in the past It's it's it's become clear india has needed So as somebody who participates in this you'll receive a response informing you whether the information is either true Or false or misleading or disputed or presently Unverifiable. Maybe there's a photo and the system just doesn't really know if it's you know, it's it's right or not The system accepts text pictures links and video in english hindi Tagulu bangali and malaya lamb. It's operated by a startup called proto Which is in collaboration with dig deeper media and median Photos will be uh, we'll be creating a database of information for further study by a research project called check points A proto proto is doing that database that that's kind of It seems like the bigger point for this is to create the research project for checkpoint Where they can see how things spread what kinds of things spread etc Because the next web article on this said that they put in their submission and didn't hear back Uh, at least within the first 30 minutes. So, uh, you know, it's not just india that's dealing with this Fake news, but india holds the largest democratic elections in the world So this is this is a big deal in in general and whatsapp is extremely popular in india And as sarah mentioned, we've talked a lot about uh the spreading of a misinformation there So it's sort of the the crucible for whatsapp to get this sort of thing right Well and and and having these tools, I mean, you know, you read the article and you're like this sounds great Of course, but how many people will be like, hmm This photo might be incendiary for some reason, you know, let me check You know the whatsapp database like I hope the answer is lots of people But that remains to be seen. Yeah, and and if it takes a long time to get answers back, that's going to dissuade people Yeah, yeah, I think it needs to be relatively quick for an answer. Let's say a couple of hours Uh, maybe a little bit more, but I think more and more people I don't know about india specifically, but in general we're all becoming wary of fake news And I think if there's an easy way to get an answer from someone reliable about an item that we're suspicious of A not insignificant amount of people will think of asking whether or not it's uh, it's trustworthy And I think I like the awareness all the awareness campaigns that whatsapp has been conducting specifically Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So I like the approach of we're not going to try to change the algorithm Of course, what's up can't really have it doesn't have an algorithm But like tweak the visibility or do warning Campaigns or labels or whatever. It's just you ask someone and I like that kind of the relationship it creates Scientists at Carnegie Mellon University have developed a method for combining prior task knowledge of a machine learning algorithm Along with experience based learning of that same algorithm to have a robot cut cucumbers and tomatoes into slices Nice and lean slices of tomatoes and cucumbers for your salads and sandwiches cutting vegetables is complex Because think about it the objects deform into different shapes Creating new objects aka the slices that you then have to deal with The team used two robotic arms and an intel real sense camera One arm picks places and holds the vegetable and the other arm does the slicing They had humans using the arms to establish some parameters about how to make a cut in general And then they trained an embedding network to handle the varying thickness of the slices and the the varying shapes of the different cucumbers and tomatoes They've learned representations could then be generalized across different shapes and sizes So they could start with learning how to slice a particular cucumber And then you could start to generalize that about all sizes, you know A persian cucumber and a big fat english cucumber, etc, etc Yeah, but you know, it's funny the cucumber tomato comparison is interesting because like Tomatoes need serrated knives, right? I mean if you don't have one you could cut through one But you really need a serrated knife cucumber is not so much So there are a lot of it's not all sort of like a one-size-fits-all like do it quickly robot thing it actually does kind of Call back to you know people who are Really good with knives and really good with things that are precise Yeah, this isn't getting to change knives. It's a 3d printed tool holder with a knife in it So it's same knife for the tomato as there is for the cucumber. That's sure, but you know, it's all in the rest Well, that's what i'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It it's interesting that it seems that difficult to cut vegetables something we don't really think about Um, but that does require I I don't want to say expertise. I wouldn't go that far but adapting to the current situation which Robots and and artificial artificial intelligence Have to be trained for I don't want to say that they're not good at it But they have to actually they have to work on that specific problem. Um, and we we don't necessarily think that this is something that requires specific development So I don't think any other animal naturally slices vegetables And i'm being I I I imagine or someone could send me a link a verified link showing that a monkey or an orangutan or an ape Has been trained to slice vegetables. I wouldn't be shocked but I haven't heard of that either This is difficult. We take it for granted because we can do it And even some of this are not that good at slicing vegetables, right? Like we don't do it that great But at least we can do it and it's it's incredibly complex when you break it Add down into the balance and the site and the pressure and the adaptation that is needed to do it And that's that's a really good point patrick about how these things are harder for machines to do Then a lot of times we give them credit for when we worry about them taking over Uh, I'm not saying they won't take over someday, but it may be a lot longer than you think Yeah, just wait until they start trying to make sandwiches. Yeah, that will be their downfall They come and try to take our sandwich jobs. Uh, yeah, so they're just so many There are so many things that we don't think about that are really difficult How long has it taken to get robots to walk and still they can't really do it very Properly. Well, I guess now we're Walking better than most robots He's not bad at it. Thank you for noticing So patrick last week we talked about the EU copyright directive Which is still in the process of becoming law, but it looks like it's going to become law And you've had a week to think about it now and you've got some thoughts that maybe it's It's not that it's a great law, but there are some things people are reacting to out there that maybe are a little bit of an overreaction um, it is definitely not considered a great law by anyone Including me, but um a lot of what I've been seeing I mean we mentioned some of the safeguards On last week's episode and I've seen them mentioned here and there But of course a lot of people are focusing on the more vague elements of the law and some of the more concerning and I think between the natural tendency of people to uh, worry about what is worrisome and The view we have of the initial drafts of the law that had a lot more potential issues in the text We're losing sight of some of the uh, more I guess reassuring is the word I want to use portions of the law um, for example for article 11 the quote-unquote link tax Which is now article 15. There are specific safeguards like, uh, the the document Specifically says it will not apply to private or non-commercial users by individual users. It also Has a specific provision. I can't remember which one for things like Wikipedia It says it shall not apply to acts of hyperlinking So the name of that article the link tax is actually specifically excluded from the the use of that that article Of course the very short extracts Limit is one that we discussed and that is a little bit vague But to give you another example in the article 13, which is now article 17, which is the content ID type thing the content filter The there are a number of exceptions that are specifically Mentioned in full In very clear text So you don't you should not actually filter content that falls That does not infringe copyright or and and related right Related rights such as quotation criticism review caricature parody or pastiche So essentially all of those concerns that we hear about all the time Oh, it's going to be the end of the hyperlink the hyperlink You know the web can't function properly or you won't be able to do caricature or reviews are specifically mentioned in the text as this is okay now, of course the burden is on the The the platforms to implement this correctly and this is not an easy job for many many reasons But I think a lot of people are not seeing those safeguards that have been putting place I think these are important points to make because a lot of people want to immediately react and say Oh, but but you're just so you're defending it No, if you want to convince the people who support this not to support it Which is your only chance of getting it rejected or overturned or softened Then you can't tell them things they know aren't true You can't say well it bans linking when it does it because they'll say well I'm not listening to you anymore because you say it's doing a thing that it's not doing And and that's why I think last week we jumped straight to the criticisms of Well, it says that you can do very short extracts, but it doesn't really give you guidance on what that means So that's going to have to be decided by the courts. That's what we mentioned last week or saying you shouldn't Stop quotation criticism review character parody or prestige without Giving them any technical advice on how to do that. So basically just saying like Stop the bad stuff. Keep the keep the good stuff isn't very helpful And it's very impractical and those are all the criticisms we had last week But I think patrick you're bringing up a very good point of you should criticism on those criticize it on those things Don't criticize it on things that aren't true Exactly because I've seen some reporting maybe not a lot but and and some general rumblings About the things as you said that it will prohibit uh now there are things like How do you implement this as we mentioned which will be difficult and maybe the companies are going to ear on the side of safety but the text Does address these issues and saying that it doesn't or that it creates them is I think a little bit Not this ingenious, but problematic. Yeah, so if you want the fair criticisms I think we did a good job at that last week, but this is a good counterbalance to that sort of thing There's also something else So I could actually play devil's advocate and defend if I had to the European directive on copyright And you would say copyright those legis that piece of legislation isn't great. Well If you are looking for more opportunities to laugh at governments and legislation An ad campaign by the french government meant to encourage voting in the upcoming eu elections was just blocked on twitter Because of an anti fake news law passed by the french government in december of last year Now the reason for the decision is not the campaign's nature But rather the requirements the law places on social networks Indeed, they should provide information on financing and the origins of political ads in time of campaign And twitter claims they do not have the technical capability of surfacing that information So they made the decision to refuse the the ad campaign altogether So I think they're troubling the government a bit the law of unintended consequences Working with the law the french government passed Because it's it's not if I get this right patrick. It's not that twitter saying that the french government's Encouragement of voting was fake It's that it can't Provide all the substantive information they're required to do so to show that it isn't fake And so they're just going to block it all together Well, the system twitter doesn't have like a button to have more information In the on this ad and surface that information So the system isn't set up for it And I think the easy way of looking at it is Pointing fingers and laughing at the french government who's like, aha, you made that law and now it's caught you You've been caught in that law For me, I think if you think the law is necessary if you do want to have more information on political ads Which I think which I think is a reasonable You know requirement then Twitter not having the capability of implementing this Is not the french government's fault or any government fault you might have an issue with the law to begin with And the law isn't saying don't do fake news the law says political ads should Enable you to see who is paying for it and where it comes from So it's easy to make fun of it. And I think most of those laughs are misguided I think you could make fun of twitter too for not being able to take ad revenue Because they haven't put this together, right? I mean that that would be the other end of this um, I think I think it's fair to say that Uh Putting in a law doesn't mean that everyone will abide by the law in the way that which you hoped right When when the government put this law into place they expected Okay, so all of the social networks will create a function where you'll be able to see this information And twitter just didn't do it. So I think it's still without laughing It's still the law of unintended consequences of well, you didn't pass a law saying they had to put in the button So this is the only option they have left Fair enough. I then it becomes a discussion on whether or not that law is needed and that's a different conversation Yeah, yeah, uh, well, thanks for bringing those to us. Uh, patrick really appreciate having the european perspective from an actual european a dual european finland man Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com google plus Rest in peace google plus it launched june 2011 Uh, it was mostly shut down tuesday. It has survived by its cousin google plus enterprise Which just like google glass it will survive in the enterprise google plus for enterprise is not only going to live on But it even has new features and a redesign in the works And i'll say google plus is dead folks google plus is alive and well in the enterprise But the google plus you and i knew in june 2011 is now gone Uh, the free version now joins wave and reader on the google cemetery and killed by google sites And uh, this led ars technica's ron amadeo, uh, among many others to to write a column Uh, amadeo wrote his for ars technica today Calling google's constant product shutdowns damaging to its brand. He notes that just this year just in 2019 We're only three months in google has ended chromecast audio youtube annotations google alo the gu dot gl url shortener At least for new users and gmail support for ift Yeah, he mentions that that even alphabet companies like google fiber have pulled out of a particular town google inbox shutdown today right alongside google plus amadeo writes google is eroding trust that its existing cups customers have in the company and groups need to feel the platform They invest in today will be there tomorrow. He notes that google stadia the new game streaming platform google announced Should be grounds for excitement, but instead the baggage of the google brand has people asking if they can trust the service to stay running I've definitely heard that from people in our chat room and on email So I ask you patrick and sarah Is this perception also reality? Can can you trust new google products? I mean when we're talking about the products that died recently They really they they span quite a few different products You know, it's not like if you loved google plus you would also be necessarily, you know super bent out of shape about ift being You know losing support for gmail However, because we're all in the tech sector We tend to use all these products whether we stick with them or not. Well, it kind of depends on the person, right? But I think to me I kind of assumed that a company like google who is trying out a lot of things And and it's public facing You know where we're all invited to try it out as well And they go away that doesn't really make me feel like google doesn't know what it's doing It makes me feel like google is taking chances that other companies aren't doing That is absolutely true. The reason It's shutting down a lot of things is that it's trying so many And I think this is part of the ethos of maybe earlier dynamic Uh tech companies which are you know moving fast and breaking things or moving fast and trying things That being said The perception whether or not it's reality The perception itself Exists and I think that does impact business The maybe not the business of google quite yet But it does impact its image which in turn might have a negative effect on the company itself that I think It it's reached a fever pitch or breaking point where Nowadays any time google announces anything the immediate reaction of the tech press Maybe not the general press, but it it might follow closely behind because we're you know trend setters, of course Is well, you know There you go google the serial killer of products is trying something else I think stadia is looks more solid than many other products, but still I can't I think I've heard this criticism Maybe 150 times in the last two weeks and that means something right it shapes The image of the company and it's very difficult to change because you need to gain people's trust over years in order for that Image to erode so it is a concern. I think a very real one for google Yeah, I think it is a I think ron amadeo is right that this is a real concern I don't know that it's justified There is definitely a sampling bias going on here where you don't Look at the products that google keeps around and especially if you're a consumer not an enterprise user You don't think of the enterprise use cases that are very stable On the day I'll take some to tasks saying if they want to get enterprise users They can't just keep killing products and the fact is they don't kill their enterprise products In fact google plus is sticking around in the enterprise right like their enterprise system is very stable But we don't see that unless we're enterprise decision makers right unless we're in the enterprise looking at the products Uh, we only see it as consumers And on the consumer side You you see a lot of things Uh, I feel like it's very similar to the idea that uh crime rate is rising when it's actually falling Because you watch the local news and see crime and so you think oh the crime rate must be rising I see crime every night on the local news. That's a sampling bias right because you're not actually Seeing all of the incidents that don't happen You're not seeing the breadth of the data same things happening with google like the local news aka the tech press tells you Every time google kills something there's no need to report on something sticking around Uh, and so I I think google does kill a lot of products much more publicly Partly because it's google than other companies and so we over index how often it actually does Kill these products now amadeo makes some really good points about how the messaging strategy at google is messed up And that doesn't help the problem But some of the other areas are are fairly stable within google and yes They try things but google plus lasted almost nine years right like or almost eight years I guess well Oh Exactly last Yeah, no, I mean they're shutting it down today right so the product lasted No, I know but and and honestly two products that don't last that long is my point. Um It's kind of you know in in favor of the enterprise for years For the last five years. I've had friends who are like google plus is the best product of them all like Why would you have a facebook group? Why would you do it like this is the social network that actually works the best like try it harder? And I'm like I I mean I I'm I I have Nobody's going to any of my stuff anymore. So, you know, you just kind of Make it work but I but I have heard for some time that Folks in various industries where there are certain communities that actually worked And yes, the enterprise sector is is part of that as well are like no, this this is a great product Maybe it's not right for consumers, but it's right for us. So in that sense. I think it's you know, it's a little I don't know. I'm I'm I I I don't have a horse in the race, but but I I I I wonder why people want to like poo poo a google product ending so badly when really the company is like, okay It's not consumer. It's enterprise We'll keep it alive Well, because it's successful. I mean, I think that's part of it is google has higher profile launches It has more eyes on it. Uh, and so when it sunsets a product, it doesn't sunset it quietly everybody knows Uh, and and so right But if it's something that like has become very clear that it's it's it's right for a certain sector Rather than the consumer sector. Well, that's not a failure to me Yeah, no, exactly. I it's maybe a product. I won't use anymore, but it's not a failure It's not a and it's not a problem to kill a product. No one's using anymore But keep it going for the people who are using it. Exactly. That's smart I agree I I will say however that I'm I would be curious to know how many products Each of the big companies have killed, you know, facebook google Microsoft apple, etc. Because it definitely feels No one ever I would be any good though It it definitely feels like google is killing more You know on a a absolute amount The number google is killing more because they're making more than the others. Maybe that's Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit There are many google stories there as there are other submit stories and vote on the ones that you care about at daily tech news show at dot reddit.com if you hang out on facebook, we got a group there as well facebook.com Slash daily tech news show All right, let's check in with Nate Langston who has a preview on what's coming up in the next tech message including chatbot abuse Thanks guys. Well this week we went into the story that britain's chatbots are being abused apparently Several thousand people are asking chatbots in britain to send them nude pictures Or otherwise deal with some very fruity language We also discussed this week calls for shorter working weeks partly in response to the fact That a number of jobs are facing being automated and if some of our jobs are going to be automated Could we get away with being paid the same amount of money? But just working fewer days each week and we also talked a little bit about the bbc pulling all of its shows from google's podcasting app All that and more being discussed on text message episode 163 out now at tech podcast dot uk Real quickly. Thank you to grandma riley ceo at every cloud for including a nice mention of daily tech news show in the it pro Tuesday newsletter And thanks to john who is a subscriber to that newsletter passed it along to us and let us know about it That was very nice. 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Oh, sorry. That's okay. I was late You were fast at talking and I was late in stopping it. Oh shoot okay, but complicated cucumber cutting Ha ha the triple c What's app with the indian elections? Get it google i'm not dead. I feel fine I was hoping somebody was gonna do like a google plus Death has been greatly exaggerated Uh, i'm not dead. I just went to google plus google plus lives Google ipo initial public offing Right, yeah, there are just no google products google scared of commitment just a just a bunch of you know failures killer brand I like complicated cucumber cutting because it's just so like what what's happening That is that that and google plus i'm not dead feel i feel fine. We've got the most laughs from you folks All right complicated cucumber cutting the triple c c3 p c3 ccc tv c3p I don't know what the rest of that would be That probably something funny complicated cucumber Um I am half asleep. So i'm done Oh, you would never have known. Yeah, you were you were alert as all heck during the show Good to see you patrick and you look great Thank you. I I really need the haircut, but thank you for the compliment. Well, of course. Yeah, you know feeling feeling It was i don't know lost a couple pounds off the beard Beards aren't really weird that much No, but I I think when I first got the beard. I was a couple of pounds heavier And then it was like oh look at this. Yeah, it's a new me I It was okay Uh, all right Thank you very much. Good night. I love all of you. Good night patrick. I will see you next week. Bye Hello, patrick ciao Uh well Really that good hunt tom. Yeah Oh I only had I had a I I don't know it was one of those mornings where the time just ran away with me I I was never oh my god anything and and all the next thing I knew it was like, oh my gosh It's it's one o'clock. Yeah, I I Definitely had the a similar morning. I I have a friend whose podcast i'm working on and Helping launch and she's not super technical So I was like, yeah, don't worry about it. Like she's using a cast which we use on dtns and you know variety of other Just kind of stuff and she's just sort of like sarah does all of that Where I'm like and I'm happy to However, when there's like a little issue I have to do other things Because we are deadline based on our show, you know, so it was like at like 10 30 am I was like, you know what I can revisit this at like 3 p.m. Pacific time And she was like, well, that's Yeah, really it's gonna take you that long. I'm like, yes You got headlines you got the show you got it's just I don't know I I I sound like I'm whining but I I think sometimes people don't realize like what goes into You know a day so I Nine o'clock sharp actually I started before nine o'clock because I was looking at headlines On my feed Lee on but but nine o'clock I was in my chair here Yeah, and I was talking to patrick about monthly video game briefing I was talking to Veronica about some sort and laser stuff. I guess, you know when I say talking like in slack and and right Yeah, but you're Seeing and then I was I was setting up the team accounts for patreon I was reading the rss feeds like There was nothing Unusual it wasn't like yesterday where I'm like and I had to you know 216 accounts Like this was all normal stuff. None of it was anything I looked at and thought like oh that's gonna throw a wrench in the works And the next thing I know is 11 o'clock. I'm like, oh crap. I gotta start, you know, thinking about nailing down the rundown Yeah, yeah And I always feel bad too when when there are things where I'm like, I know how to solve this problem But I don't have the 10 minutes right now to do it But I'll get to it and here's when I will get to it and they're like But I mean really like you have to like wait three hours to do this like tiny thing where I'm like, yes, I do You just you just have to like He took two of the top stories himself like I didn't have to do anything with those two eu stories Sure. Yeah. Yeah So that that should have saved more time, which I'm sure it did Yeah Well one of those days anyway, I didn't eat my relaxing I only usually take 15 minutes for lunch But usually I make myself go sit at the dining room table and eat my lunch And you know, I'll usually be looking at feedly and stuff, but I separate myself, you know, yeah, I get that downtime That's and how has it been to do what which I mean, I guess my question is Are you going into the office in the morning? As you said you wanted to and kind of like that's where work happens And and did you feel like that that was a good call? I check email and read rss feeds when I'm not in here like lying in bed In the morning, usually I'll get up take the dogs out feed them breakfast make some coffee Go back and like just kind of plop down in the bed and read rss feeds, right? Like yeah So I'm working But when it's time to actually I don't keep the laptop in there. I bring that and yeah, I've been I've been doing that and it helps Yeah, it makes things a little more streamlined. I think well, you know, it's funny. It's um, I'm still I don't know. I still have to deal with this stupid laptop that has a broken screen but the screen is completely dead at this point, but I've got this nice external monitor And it forced me to come into the room so that I could actually like have a monitor when I was doing my stuff that yes I could have done in bed Or at my you know, little dining table in the front room or maybe in the kitchen Standing at the counter all sorts of things that were like Not really conducive to good work But I convinced myself that it was a good idea for a while This has been the best thing that ever happened to me is my computer breaking because now I'm getting used to it What I come in in the morning. Yeah, I got my coffee. I sit down And I mean I'm not standing when I'm doing prep for the show But otherwise I'm right here and it yeah, it feels more like work to me Yeah, no same here like I feel more focused. Yeah Because I'm you know and the dogs are just in the other room But for some reason when they were in the same room with me and actually even rail even come in here sometimes and lay down But when we were in the living room when I was doing it last year It was more distracting because they'd run to the window and I'm all what are you looking at? Is there a squirrel out there or something, you know, and right, right? Yeah They don't do that even when they're in here with me They just lay down they're not distracting. I mean as anybody who watches her video if he knows Otis's crate is here and he's in and yeah, he's he's not gonna not be in his crate if I'm in this room But it's actually worked out well for him and I as well because There were times where you know depending on where I was, you know, he was kind of being You know, you know click-clacking around, you know where I'd be like chill out man chill out He wants to be in his crate. He just wants me to be right here also Yeah, I wish I could do that. I'll have like I said, sir doesn't want to come in here He doesn't like the keyboard typing. I don't Really come in here and lay down for a little bit and then she'll get bored I want to go look out the window or something But I can't have them in here when I do the show Because they will bark like some a cat will something will happen Yeah, I'll drop off the mail and they will bark in the middle of the show so Well, yeah, I mean my My my lovely dog who I love very much who has some issues one thing he's very good at is As long as you're in the same room as him he'll chill. Yeah, it's when you leave. That's where the problem arises I actually I Hired somebody on rover last night because I just had work to do and I was like he's got to go I don't have time, you know, just like hire somebody to walk him for an hour Which is great. It's great service and you know at the end of the hour the guy was like, he's so great He's very strong And I was like what happens Because I'm so used to it, you know, it's like, you know, like I'm like see the skateboard like you wrap up You you wrap up the uh the leash real quick Um, yeah, it all worked out fine though I Sawyer used to not bark at the door and jango taught him to Really? Yeah Like he started to be like, oh, I guess we bark at the door and now it's funny ray barks at the door And so Sawyer will join in sometimes but he kind of worked for like the lead on that Maybe it's just swear being like my sisters do this. Yeah, that's the it's how he grew up like Sisters always market doors and I I help. Yeah, sometimes I help. Yeah, exactly That's funny. Yeah Because when we first had him jango would go bark at the door and he wouldn't do anything and we're like We have a dog that doesn't bark at the door. It's so weird and then he started joining it All right Yeah, you know, I mean Otis is he's not a burger He I mean, he probably hasn't barked in And when you first got him, I thought that was probably because he was new because a lot of times dogs I've had and other dogs. I've known don't bark for maybe yeah, because they're like trying to get comfortable Six months that you have that. Yeah Um, he does not bark just long enough. I think I mean he will lunge at a squirrel Skunk Yeah, I know you're coming. Yeah, he's he's I mean he had like honestly like he he doesn't bark He's just he's almost mute. Well, that's not true. I'm sorry. He's like excuse you Just airing up my dirty laundry for the whole internet, but he'd know he he makes noises He just doesn't work And I think that's a good thing because I've heard his bark and it's very loud Can I tell you what kind of pizza? I had leftover pizza. We ordered pizza last night and I had the last of it for my lunch You can and you will pepperoni uh-huh green peppers And anchovies That is an interesting pizza. Yeah Was it salty is all heck Anchovies are salty so sounds that way. Well pepperoni is also Yeah, yeah pepperoni is going salty not as much as uh, okay Better question. Was this the pizza place that you discovered on st. Patrick's day? No Oh, it was not This was an italian restaurant that has pizza and we've eaten at the italian restaurant a half dozen times And every time we said, you know, one of these days we have to try their pizza And so last night I was last night after the whole slack thing and doing cord get like Just order food. I don't even care. Just just make it make it happen. So she's like, okay I'm gonna order from antonio's. We've never we've never got let's finally try their pizza. So that's where we get And did you like it? Yes, it was good not enough sauce That would be my only criticism they they were very cheesy Which I I actually like a lot of cheese, but they were cheesy at the expense of sauce They could have had a little better balance, but Uh, it's good to have a go-to pizza place I am very lucky to have a deep dish pizza place right down the street from me Although it's funny when my mom was in town over the last weekend Um, she was like, I don't want deep dish. I just I don't know. It's too much Red and do they just have like thin crust and I was like, I don't know never really thought about it Let's find out sure enough. They did And so we ordered, you know thin crust pizza and I and she was sort like ate it and she was like Oh, I feel about this one. I was like because you should have gotten the deep dish They're known for the entire restaurant is known for the deep dish Yeah, it's uh, have you ever had to deep dish with the cornmeal crust? That's what masa has Yeah, that's that's my that's my local place like little star used to be in san francisco Single slice is dinner. I mean it yeah two slices like you're pushing it That's coma. That's like 10 pounds of pizza and who wouldn't like that So good in fact, I might have it tonight now. Yeah, I don't think we've done this I don't think we found our delivery pizza place yet. Not that I was bad, but um It was it was fine Yeah, it was better than fine. It was good, but it's not like oh, this is it We there was a place where we used to live called roma That was like every time we got into the groove every time we wanted to order delivery pizza It was the perfect thin crust delivery pizza. We loved it Then they burned So like the last oh, I remember I remember that I remember that story Tragedy and I think they they've since relocated and reopened but we left before that happened So so now we're still trying different ones Yeah, the um the deep dish place near me, um I did actually order for delivery once when it was raining But it is like a block and a half from my house like you can't get that for delivery You have to go pick it up. But you know, unless you you know, you have a broken foot or something. Yeah But uh, yeah, oh, it's real good really good. There's a build at yourself pizza place walking distance from us But they don't deliver you can get it delivered through postmates and stuff But to me it's like and they're really good. I like them, but it's that weird thing. We're like, they're so close I feel like it's silly to get them delivered. Yeah Well, and it's like a delivery charge. You really don't need to deliver each exactly, you know, yeah That's the thing is like, I mean trust me. I'm lazy, but I don't want to pay the delivery fee So if something's walking away from me, I'm gonna walk down there Right, and then it'll but then it'll be like yeah, but I don't want to leave the house So I guess I'm gonna order something else That too. It's like they're too close to get back But not close enough. I don't know it's weird Well, maybe in our next quarterly hangout Roger Tom and I will do a little we'll do a little deep dish near my house Because I'm telling you It is good stuff. All right. I like that. Yeah, they have a wi-fi I don't know No, everyone has to be with us the entire time and we'll reinvent the rest I doubt they have wi-fi that we would need I'll bring a hundred feet of worth of uh, you just run it up to my house. It's not that far. Yeah All right video folks. Thanks for hanging around. Good to talk to you audio folks stick around. There's more to come