 That's the Nintendo Prime Podcast season two, episode 40. That's right, we got to the big four O. That's always exciting. We have a couple of topics for you today. You guys can also submit your own questions or topics to be talked about later in the stream if you want. That's what super chats are for. They will be saved and shown at the appropriate time if you guys want to get your questions submitted and you're in our live show. That being said, how you guys doing? I'm Nathan DeRobeljass from Nintendo Prime. We're going to go around the room, introduce ourselves, and go, what have we been playing lately? It's how we start every single episode and we got to start with Dektive Pikachu Stan. How you doing, bud? All right, well, obviously, if someone spells something slightly incorrectly, if someone has a low IQ, they can't figure it out. They can't sound it out. Supposed to say detective Pikachu Stan. I'm starting with what I'm playing. Yeah, okay. So I've only really played one game this week and I mentioned I was playing it last week. Pikmin 1, I'm at the very last area, so I'm about to beat it and move on to Pikmin 2. Cool, that's awesome, man. Andrus Restart, aka Someday. What do you got going on over there? I just fetched myself a glass of water and some zebra cakes. Yeah, when you hit the five-minute timer and I sat there for 30 seconds, like, you know what, maybe I should make myself a shake. It was like, oh, yeah, I can get it done in three minutes. I put like a three-and-a-half-minute timer and so I took out some blueberries and took out some strawberries. I bought them yesterday. I was like, all right, this time, I'm gonna make sure I do it while they're fresh instead of waiting a week. Yeah, which is a little bad, yeah. Right, but the strawberries, as I started to pull out the strawberries, I saw that they were all moldy. It was like, so I just tossed, I didn't, actually I didn't toss them. I put them back in the fridge and I figured I could return them because that's just ridiculous. So I was like, all right, I guess it's just gonna be blueberries. So then I started pouring almond milk and I was like, cool. So I got the blueberries, got the almond milk, and then I saw I had 30 seconds left. And I was like, oh, I'll put this in the fridge for now. I'll leave it in the picture. And then I showed up here after we were in zero capes. Actually, I wanted to bolt in, but my alarm, my timer was going off and I was like, oh, I don't think I muted my mic. So here I am. And I still haven't told you what I've been playing this week. Hope story, can you actually tell that again? Do you think you actually? Sure, so basically I decided that it would be possible to make a shake. They would probably take me 10 to 15 minutes. What are you going to play? Keep it clean. So I'm opening up the zebra cake, but what did I play this week? You know, this may sound kind of very samey, but I've been playing Tears of the Kingdom. I'm getting close. And it's funny, you know, the more I play the game, the more I kind of appreciate the game. Like my appreciation for the game always grows. It's kind of just like this interesting, like part of me wants to just accept that Tears of the Kingdom is like the greatest game ever made, but there's parts where you're like, no, no. But also when I played Breath of the Wild, I didn't want to tell myself that Breath of the Wild was the greatest game ever made. It took me six years to decide that Breath of the Wild was my favorite. So I'm going to wait six years and then we'll see where I stand on it. But I'm really enjoying it. I'm getting through it. I'm discovering things. It's always fun finding new little areas every time I play. Now, you say you're enjoying it more and more, you play it. And I know that you still like Breath of the Wild more in a lot of ways. Is it distancing itself from Breath of the Wild as you play more? I think the part of the problem is that Breath of the Wild was very new, very new. And there was kind of like as you explore, like even though there's less in the world, like literally, Tears of the Kingdom has so much more, there's just something about Breath of the Wild than when I played it. I'm talking, I'm thinking about like that first time I played it, right? The first time you play the game, there's always, it's always different than all the other times. And there's a sense of discovery, right? There's this sense of you don't know what's quite beyond the hill. You don't know what's on top of the cliff, right? Like there's always a little bit of that. And in Tears of the Kingdom, there are a lot of really cool things, but it's mostly things that are remixed in some way, shape or form, if that makes sense, right? So I guess what I'm getting at here is that Tears of the Kingdom is kind of battling sequelitis. Like it's battling it hard and it's trying to, you know, like it's hard for me to, at this point just clearly state that it's the better game because while objectively it has more things you can do, a lot more things. And I think they handled story better. And there's a lot of things that they objectively handled better, but because it's kind of like a remixing of that base game, there's a certain freshness that it lacks, which makes it hard for me to like be like, yeah, this is a straight up, like the best experience without a doubt. There's still new things to explore and discover, but it's a little bit of that. But like I said, I think when it comes down to sort of deciding like what is like the goat or what puts the game in like the pantheon of gaming greats, it's how they age. So we can't really have a fair conversation about just how good this game is in my opinion until we come back to it, say five years from now. Okay. Thanks for coming off. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk, interesting. Yeah. Hey, everyone's got their different reasons or in different ways they wanna handle that sort of stuff. Eric, keep it short, okay? We don't have all day. Yeah, I know, right? TOTK, they're done. Okay, good enough. Well, I mean, you kept it short? Yeah. I'll be even shorter. Oh, what did you even say, Eric? Here's the kingdom? Yeah, TOTK, yeah. Literally, it's just TOTK. You kept it literally as short as you could. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That was a little long for my taste, but... Yeah, right? I appreciate the effort. I'm even shorter, I played nothing. Literally nothing the last week. I shouldn't say literally. Technically I played some Mad, but pretty much nothing because I've just had a very, very rough couple of weeks. It is what it is, it's all catching up. So you figure, escape to video games, except I don't have time to escape to video games. So, life, life happens. I see your cakes. I'm not part of my diet. Sorry, man. Go for a super cake right now. Dude, I'd plow that whole box if you put it in front of me. There is that. They're not very filling. They just taste really good. Yeah, that's the thing. Nate, did you notice I corrected the spelling? No. I'm going to be completely honest. The monitor is too small. I can't read. That's a lie. That's the first part of it's a lie. I was going to tell you what it says. I said, keeping it clean. That's what I'm seeing right now, keeping it clean. Yeah, it's censored, so it is keeping it clean. Yeah, okay. Yeah. All right. So let's get into our, well, look, it's not really part of the show, part of the rundown, but I guess it could be part of the quick news recap. The Tetra Pikachu comes out tomorrow. The Tetra Pikachu returns, or Friday, Friday. Sorry, keep getting confused because Assassin's Creed comes out tomorrow. Tetra Pikachu comes out Friday. This month is packed. There's so many damn games coming out. The reviews, not good. Kind of sucks. So the first game actually was pretty good. This game, everyone's like, oh, you know, it's charming. It's nice. Then we get to the actual detective part and they're like, okay, this is pretty bad. You know, the whole point of the game. So. Ah. Yeah, you said it was bad. It's worse than what you said it was. 68. It's a 68, okay. We've done 37 reviews. And how many are mixed? Oh, come on. I need one critic to bump it up one point. Right. How many of the reviews are mixed? 26, so 70%. 70% of the reviews are mixed, which means, you know, usually under 70. One person gave it 100. There we go. I mean. There's our perfect score, baby. By the way. Reviews are subjective. Guys, reviews are subjective. Some of you guys are gonna buy Detective Pikachu Returns and absolutely love the hell of it. Oh yeah. Like that's just the way it goes. So. Ooh, that's a lot of 60s. Anyway. Hey, technically, it's a passing grade. Yeah. It's a D, baby. Yeah. A D is a pass. And honestly, like six out of 10, at least when I rank a game six out of 10, there's the enjoyment to be had. There's plenty of medic critic six out of 10 games that I've played and enjoyed. But you're gonna go into it knowing it's not gonna be like a mind blowing experience, like not a game of the year contender, but you can still have fun with the game. That's the way I look at it. Especially if you're a multi-console owner, even if you just own Switch, there's a lot of games coming out this month that are probably better than this one. So when you're allocating money, you probably might buy like other stuff like Sonic Superstars and Mario Wonder. What a great guy. Is this like a $50 game or is it six? I have no idea. Yeah, I'll tell you in a second. I'm not buying this. Hey, the Assassin's Creed rating actually went up a couple of points. There we go. There we go. It's up to a 77 mil. Maybe to crawl through an 80. Who knows? Forza Motorsport also got an 85. Nice. Well, you know what? Let me put it this way. Look, Detective Pikachu Returns might be a 68, but at least it's not the Exorcist believer. A clean 41. Super clean. It's a $50 game. Super clean. $50 game. Let's keep it a clean. There we go. Yeah. $50. $50. Oh, did Detective Pikachu not get a physical release either? I have no idea. Did it? Did it or not? I don't know. There's a physical box art for it. I see it like on Play Asia, like a Japanese with English on the cart, but I don't see a North American release. Exorcist believer is good. Well, you know, there is two positive reviews. You must be one of them, Natsu. That's okay. I have no idea what the Exorcist believer is. It's a movie. I'm assuming. All right. I mean, I'm seeing a physical box art. No, it starts. US version. Man, visit the Switch game. Yay, you can't buy it physically in the US. That's fun. All right. It is a $50 game. Yeah. Yes. I also think it's really, really unfortunate that this is games that included Nintendo Switch game vouchers program. Considering it's not a deal. You mean? Yeah, it's like not a deal at all. Like you're taking a hit to the savings by getting this one. Not a deal. All right. Well, let's get into our first topic. And I don't know. I mean, here's the thing. I was hoping that the mood feels sort of down around the show right now. So I was like, oh, let's get hyped. Let's get into it. But then the first topic isn't a good topic. Yay. The physical drops to the US on the sixth. Gotcha. Well, that would make sense. The game comes out on the sixth. Okay. Well, all right. There we go. You just can't pre-order it? No, you can. Oh, okay. Well, there we go. See, we're just a bunch of blabbering idiots because I wasn't planning to buy the game anyways. Yeah. I'll put the pre-order link in the chat in case anyone's interested. Yeah, be sure to get that affiliate revenue. It's not my, it's not an affiliate. I wouldn't even care if it was. Amethyst affiliate, 1%. Don't worry about it. Um, all right. So looking at our first topic here, well, it's really probably the big news of the last 24, 48 hours or so. Nintendo has announced the end of the online services for Wii U and 3DS. Essentially it is ending sometime in April. That is the plan. If you click through and actually read more information, they actually note, if any problem comes up in the unforeseeable future, we might just shut down the services anytime we feel like. So they're basically saying anytime from now to April, they can just shut it down without warning. Oh, I didn't read it like that. Okay, interesting. That's what it says when you open up the webpage. It literally says like, hey, we will shut this down for any reason if we have any problems. Yeah, at a glance, I thought it was just everything's gonna be actually between. The one thing that's good is they said, Nintendo Japan said Pokemon Bank will continue to work after that. But it's still going anytime. Yeah, Pokemon Bank and Pokemon Transport are both gonna be working still after it goes down and there is no planned date to take those down. So that's one of those Pokemon Company problems lots of them up. So they're gonna stay up until the Pokemon Company doesn't want them up anymore because that's the decision for them. And they even said third party games, like, oh, most third party games won't be able to be played online. However, technically we don't run their servers. So it's up to the individual publishers go talk to them on when they wanna take those servers down. They did also say that, hey, that doesn't mean we're taking down your ability to read on all of your games. Just still be able to access the eShop on the platform, download your digital games, download game updates, all that kind of stuff. They're not taking that down. And I foresee them probably still keeping that up for a number of years, especially for the 3DS platform. I don't know, they're probably eventually gonna take the whole shop down but that's the most controversial thing they could do because then literally if you bought digital, you lose access to your games if some happens to your system. So that would kind of suck. But for now, they're still allowing that stuff to happen. There's obviously a lot of controversy surrounding all of this because, like PlayStation 3, you could still technically use the online services on PlayStation 3. I have noted a few differences though. One, those are paid accounts and it's sent through the same accounts carried forward to PS4 and PS5. Whereas the account systems on Wii U and 3DS were non-paid accounts, so absolutely free and a completely separate system. And I can understand from a security perspective why you might not wanna keep supporting the legacy account system, just literally for security reasons. I keep bringing that forward, especially when you have a new platform coming where you're gonna be already confirmed bringing Nintendo accounts and services forward to the next platform. It's like, hey, we're all in on this new account system. We really gotta like stop worrying about this legacy stuff. But I don't wanna go like Super Defense Force Nintendo here. It's still shitty. It still sucks. Like Mario Maker fans are probably the ones hurt the most because Mario Maker wants to make a big deal though. Like I remember once they pulled the plug on the eShop and announced all that stuff, people knew this was coming. So there wasn't nearly as much backlash to this as there was to that. People were kind of, and I'm in the same boat. It's like, yeah, it sucks, but like we knew it was gonna happen. Like it's whatever. They already went 90% of the way there. Now they're just doing the last. Yeah, like for me personally, I don't play my 3DS anymore and I haven't owned a Wii in a while. So it doesn't really impact me that much. For me, that's why my whole video and it's costing me subscribers because I tried to spin this. But it's like, you'll look at it though. They're ending it in April, which is the beginning of the next fiscal year, which is conveniently when people expect a certain platform to be coming out. So it's kind of like, hey, they're just wrapping shit up before the new system gets here. That's what it looks like to me, but people hated that spin. By the way, in my video, I never treated this like it was good news. It was just like, it's happening. We can't stop it. The modding community is gonna keep certain games still alive and what are we gonna do? There's not enough backlash. Unfortunately, I thought the backlash would be bigger. But like when Sony tried to shut down the PS3 stuff, the backlash was massive. It was way bigger than the backlash Nintendo's getting right now. So... Well, Nintendo received a similar backlash when they announced like the actual eShop was closed. Oh yeah, you can't buy games anymore on it. Yeah, that's what- And that's what Sony got the backlash for, not the online or the actual being able to purchase the game. Not many people are playing online right now. Well, there's a thing. I saw someone telling me like, oh, Sony didn't take down, all their online services are up. I'm like, go load all your old PS3 games and tell me how many of the online servers are still there. They've been taking them down every year. Even Sony's first party. Just because you can access the shop and buy games doesn't mean that all their games work online on PS3 anymore. That's just not the case. I wanna go double check because I used to play a lot of Black Ops 2 on Wii U. Oh, sure. I wanna double check if that's still online. I wanna say it's not, but that's not a Nintendo thing. That's an Activision server thing. He still does, every single year, he goes and plays every PS3 game that still has online to see how many people are playing them. Yeah. He just came out with it this year, it's a couple months ago. Yeah. You can see how many people are playing. He just goes on and sees if he can get matches with real people in different games. I might fire up Splatoon. Yeah, I heard a lot of people wanted to fire up Splatoon or get some last races in. That's a good step in, for sure. I mean, I actually like the idea, man, if I play now, I might kind of defeat the purpose, but I should wait like a couple months and then play Splatoon once people forget that it's going away. So I can play it and just wait a really long time when we get a match, I can play the squid game. There's like the eight-bit squid game they play in between matches. The biggest backlash I've seen today was Mario Maker fans, because apparently Mario Maker fans really love Mario Maker 1 way more than two, and Mario Maker 1, here's the problem, when it goes offline, all those made courses are gone. They're just gone, there's no way to download and keep them. The hacking community, modding community's been trying, they can't get them, like they just exist on Nintendo servers, you can't get them. So like... That huge install base of Wii U owners that... No, no, but here's the thing. Also, a lot of this system are gonna be strong. Look at the sales of Mario Maker 1 and look at the sales of Mario Maker 2, it's like the exact same audience. And Mario Maker 2 was on a bigger platform, it still didn't really sell much better than one. So here's the thing, it's not that the audience is huge, it's that I still am gonna care that people are losing access to the shit that they put time into. Cause Mario Maker is literally an online multiplayer game. So it does suck. As I said, 3DS owners are the ones that you're probably gonna hear more stuff from just because there is still a semi-active 3DS community out there, just in general. Yeah, most games on 3DS, you don't really play online. Minecraft 7, maybe. Alright, Mario Maker is on 3DS. Pokemon Battles. I don't know, I didn't really play a lot of multiplayer on 3DS. Try 4-0s, baby, there we go. I mean, for me, it's just like Pokemon. That game's, well, it's completely dead, you can play this. Federation Force. Yeah, there you go, that game's completely dead. So I don't know guys, here's the thing, for me personally, it doesn't impact me much, but I'm trying to understand the people that are mad about it, and you know what, I get it. No one wants to lose access to shit, ever. But this is the reality of, this has been the reality of online games since their inception. Forget going back to old platforms. I've been playing PC games since the 90s. Almost all the games that I played back then, their online servers have been gone for decades. It's just part of, like example, I used to play the original Age of Empires through MSN Gaming Zone. Once MSN Gaming Zone literally vanished off the face of the planet, you haven't been able to play Age of Empires, the original online, until they re-released the HD version. So like this is totally normal. It's just, for console gamers, it's a bit of a newer concept because we haven't had online games as long as PC gamers have. So we're only just now dealing with the, hey, one of the first big generations for online gaming was the PS3, we Xbox 360 DS era, which a lot of people lump 3DS and Wii U into. And when you do that, yeah, we're getting to the point that we're losing access to the online modes in all of those games across the spectrum, not just on Nintendo, Xbox and PlayStation as well. And that's just us now dealing with the reality that PC gamers deal with for a long time that servers aren't kept up forever. If things are kept alive, like say World of Warcraft Classic for a long time, that was because people hosted private servers in order to play that before Blizzard ended up nuking those servers legally and coming back with their own WoW Classic. So it's just one of those situations that modders are gonna keep certain games alive if you wanna get really deep into things and you wanna mod your systems. But this was always going to happen. And I guess because I'm a PC gamer that's watched this happen over the last 30 years, I'm not shocked or surprised. Since Nintendo makes absolutely no money on 3DS and Wii U, they don't sell anything anymore. They don't sell new games. And the eShop, you can't buy anything. They make no money. There is no monetary incentive for Nintendo to keep these games going. So if anything, they wanna push you to the new stuff on the new systems. So I'm not as upset. And I think that maybe that's also leaning into why people are not liking my video today because I'm really not that upset about this. I mean, I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm just like, all right, whatever, like it's a bummer, but like I just don't really care. Like we knew it was coming and it's not something that I personally use. And maybe that's selfish. Maybe people would be mad at me too, but that's how I feel too, man. You guys are bad people. I can't even talk to you anymore. Is that what you left earlier? Yeah, it's sort of the time it came up, you're like, no, I don't wanna. I didn't even know what the topic was. I just sensed the evil from minutes away. Yeah. Nah, I kind of think about it. And for something like Splatoon, it's interesting because Splatoon is predominantly an online multiplayer game. Like I think the, with Splatoon one, I think that's the only Splatoon game that has like some split screen multiplayer. So you can still kind of have a little bit of multiplayer locally. It was Splatoon one in the Wii U, but it's not like a big feature, right? It's a fairly minimal thing. So it's gonna be interesting. Let's say, I don't know, what six years from now when they shut down like switch servers, if they do, and Splatoon, you can't place Splatoon two anymore or Splatoon three, which don't have any local multiplayer. Although I wouldn't be surprised that those stick around for longer since we do pay for it and maybe they want to kind of keep the same ecosystem for a longer amount of time. Well, the Switch two is backwards compatible. They're definitely gonna be there for a long time. Yeah. That's one thing if there's backwards compatibility that actually goes really well into keeping switched stuff for a long time. Also, because they're keeping the same account system going forward, they're actually making money off the online no matter what, whether you're using it on Switch two or Switch. So there's less of an incentive to shut that stuff down. But yeah, who really knows? Like we're a long ways away from switch servers being shut down. Like I don't think this is like, oh man, we need to not worry about when Switch is gonna get shut down. I said this in my video, it's probably like a decade from now before we even have that conversation of them just completely shutting down 60 million sales of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe playing online. Like I just, I don't see that happening for quite some time when they actually make money. If people, there's enough people still playing online on Switch, they're making money off those people. So they have all the more reason to keep things going. So, I don't know. It's just, I think for some, there's also like the accepting that this, look, these platforms have been out of production for a little while. We use it much longer than 3DS, but we were upset when we couldn't buy new games in the eShop anymore, especially because a lot of the physical games are so expensive for the first, especially we use the physical games and we are crazy expensive. But there's also this idea that we now have to just accept those generations are over and Nintendo's just killing them off. And I think some people that grew up with these platforms, you know, they were teenagers when these things came out and now they're in their mid-20s, there's a little bit of a struggle to accept that something that doesn't feel so long ago for them is now just being ended. It's not our first rodeo at this type of stuff. It's theirs, but yeah. I've seen a lot of people that said like, dude, they're just ruining my childhood. And I'm like, man, that's so crazy to me that that's your childhood. Luckily for all of us, our childhood is all on cartridges and we can actually still play all of them. Yeah, they didn't take anything away from me from when I was a kid. So I've never actually had to go through this before when it comes to consoles. You either own the games and play them or you don't. Like, hey, you want to play GoldenEye, hey, now it's even better. I can play it online. Well, kind of. Well, no, if you buy the N64 controller, then it's perfect. And it's perfect. You don't have to mess with the controls. Anyways, so I don't know. It's just, I'm trying to understand what that feels like and I honestly don't know what it feels like because I've never had my childhood just chose to be ended when it doesn't feel like it was that long ago. I don't know. Eric, got any thoughts on it? I mean, I've never owned Wii U, so. I mean, it doesn't matter. That's me personally. As I say, we unlocked everything in Mario Kart 8. Right. We did that together. But in my 3DS, I don't think I've touched and God, it feels like a decade. What's the last game you played on it? That wasn't for me. No triforce here, so that was a smash. Was it a smash? OK. Maybe. I'd have to find my 3DS. Yeah, you didn't know what it is. Yeah, I think so. It's floating around. So again, it's to me, personally, it's not the end of the world because it doesn't really affect me. But as you were saying, I understand people who have games, who've purchased games, who are that are only online. And basically that game is now null and void. It's kind of shitty, you know. And then I don't know, it just sucks. But, you know, we don't control it. And there's not much we can do about it. Welcome to the future of gaming, where shit just goes away because we don't pay for the servers anymore. I mean, look, when they take servers away, it's a business decision. They're not making enough money, so it's time to shut them down. Like, businesses do have to worry about the bottom line. And I know we're talking about billion-dollar businesses here that, you know, aren't hurt for money, but it's still like, hey, they're still trying to make money at the end of the day that they can cut some cost or cut some cost. It is what it is. I'll say this, I'd rather they cut this than cut employees like it's happening all across the industry over the last year. So, like, I'd rather them shut down servers than fire people. So, I mean, I wouldn't mind them firing a couple. Whoever like keeps adding Kirby games online. Like, I'm good. Whoever makes that choice, you can let them go and give me some 3DS online. I'll take it. Oh, boy. Oh, hey, we got 0.99. You realize there's probably multiple layers of decisions that that goes through, right? Get rid of them all. Get rid of them all. Anyone that contributed. You did not put your thumbs up when they said we want to bring 3DS to NSO. Get out of here. You're right. Get out of here. Exactly. I mean, that just... What we funded was Miyamoto himself. I mean, that just does open the door, though, for a whole bunch of 3DS ports over to the Switch, Switch 2, to then or to NSO, so... I do think 3DS might be a consideration with DS to be an NSO addition on Switch 2. I do think there's an opportunity there to do a value add by bringing all these games back but doing it through NSO. Over time, of course. That would imply that there's some sort of second screen. Not necessarily. There's a touch screen. You can literally... We'd have this on the Wii U gamepad. We were able to do it. You just have to have a touch screen. You don't have to have two screens. Have you never used an emulator to do DS and 3DS games? It's all on one screen. I'm not a pirate. But you've never seen videos. I'm not a pirate. How dare you accuse me of such... Okay, well then, open up your 3DS and assume that there's no break between the top and the bottom screen at the same time. I have. I do know how DS and 3DS... To emulate that stuff? Yeah, yeah. But it's all on one screen. Like, there's no reason they can't do it on one screen. It can, but... So I'm assuming that the framework of Switch is the exact same as Switch, right? Assuming it is, and it may not be. How would you... You need a second screen to play in docked mode. Like, you can't... You don't have access to a touch screen when you're playing in docked mode. Okay, and there's already games on Switch that you can't play in docked mode, so I don't know. Sure. So you're talking about an entire NSO platform not being available in docked mode? Sure. It's a portable platform. What are we worried about? They literally sell a Switch that doesn't dock. Unless... What are we talking about? Unless the Switch 2 includes the functionality of the Wii U and that you can have a game utilized both at once. Yeah, but how to do that without... There is... I mean, there are ways around this just for the record. You can do it in 2013 with the Wii U. All right, so... Yeah, the Wii U didn't have... It could just be like a toggle. Like, internally that like the Switch knows depending on a mode that you select in the game. But then you're not docking the Switch. It would have to be a wireless communication. Right, right, because in that mode, it would only be in handheld and TV. I ask you this question for me if you can, because I don't remember exactly, but I want to say that there have been patents of Nintendo, the Nintendo file that are related to syncing the game console with a smartphone. Sure. Someone just said that too. That's valid. Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, in theory, you could use a smartphone as a second screen and all you have to do is release like a clip that you can clip your phone onto your controller and then you can have the dual-screen gameplay. And then DS3DS, no problem, even Wii U. All three, you could put on Switch 2 with that. Okay, let me ask you something quick. You just talked about a second screen with a phone that you clip on. You're still in handheld mode then. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? No, I'm talking about dock mode. No, you clip it to a... You clip it to a... You see any controllers that connect to your phone? There would have to be something. One, we assume that Switch 2 wouldn't be able to do that with the controllers out of the box, right? So I assume a clip or something like that, yeah. I have to say that they just won't bother with that because it requires spending extra money and the whole point of the online services, it's just there. And then you're just already available. They release controllers for each NSO platform. So why wouldn't they release something to allow each... Yeah, they'll give you a stylus. They'll release a stylus you can buy. They'll just release a Joy-Con, like an expanded thing for your phone. I don't see what the problem is only having it available in handheld mode. It's literally what 70% of the people who play Switch 2 is handheld. So I don't really know what the problem is. If we're just talking about DS, it has a two screens. Sure. If you flip your Switch... You don't have to flip your Switch. It's an 8-inch screen. It's going to be higher resolution with bigger screens than the original DS and 3D. Just doing it this way. If you just take your Switch and you just do it this way with an 8-inch screen, it's still going to be roughly the same size, if not bigger, with a higher resolution than the original DS. You also have to put your... You would have to what? Move the screen to the right or to the left? You don't have to move it to the right or to the left. Nate, here's the problem with that is that they already have systems like the GBA where they're taking the full screen. If you're in NSO and you're playing a GBA game, then you switch to a 3DS game and it's a quarter of the size on each screen of what you were just playing as a Gameboy Advance game. Kind of weird, but I do like the idea of just do a flip. Well, yeah. You can obviously flip, and that'll make everything... I get quote-unquote better. I don't know if there's a way that that'll be inbuilt to connect controllers, but... I don't know. I'm just saying that I don't... Look. People are emulating the shit out of these on single screens. I don't find this to be an excuse. That's all I'm saying. Like, they could put it on there and make it work. You just might not like the way it works. And that's fine if you don't like the way it works. Go back and play it. Well, you can't play them online, but go back and play your DS3DS. Go back and play them on the RO8. You know what I mean? It's not... In theory, you could also use the right stick. You could use the right stick to work on the touchscreen. It would be whack, but possible. Because you got to tap. You just... A lot of games involve tapping. You just put a really shitty touchscreen on the dock itself and you call it good. But I don't know why we debating the touch screen's not a problem. The whole screen's a touch screen. What are we talking about? It has... But it wouldn't work in dock mode. Who cares? I mean, the people who want to play in dock mode. Who the... Do you want to play a 240p game blown up? Like, oh, no. I'm good, man. Yeah, hey, hello. That's not keeping it clean. Get out of here. What are you talking about? Do you know what resolution of the games we're talking about? One of the coolest features is doing a plug-in to GamePoint. It's a console game. Yes, because it was made for a screen. Not to mention that there's a lot of DS games you could play on the Wii U. Oh, you mean like personal console? Yeah, and they looked like shit. Also, NSO games scale up. They increase the resolution. That's the whole point of... Hey, hey, hey. Do you want to push this into 1080p? Mouth? This is bad case. So basically what all that's happening is I just restarted saying I don't want DS and 3DS on there because there won't be a convenient way to play it on your TV. No, I'm just talking about that they need to think of a way to do it where it makes sense. And having only in portable mode, an entire NSO platform that's not selling the channel is going to do. They're not going to do that. I'm telling you that. It's free and part of your subscription. No, I'm telling you right now that if they're going to do it, there's going to be a way to do it on the actual television and you're wrong. So they won't release a Switch 2 that can only be portable then? That was the thing people didn't think was going to happen. Why would you release a Switch or can't switch? There's an entire platform that can't dock. I don't, I'm so confused. If Nintendo's willing to release an entire system that can't dock, you're saying they can't release an optional free NSO? If we're talking about the dedicated online NSO feature that's meant to reach a large audience. No, it's a dedicated NSO online feature for a old handheld system that most people have only ever played in handheld. I don't think they're going to care that they can still only play it in handheld on their handheld system. I don't agree. I don't think we're saying it makes any sense. But that sounds like Andreas needs his handheld. Oh, anyways, no, it's OK. Obviously we're not going to agree on this. I just don't see. I think it's a bullshit excuse. If there are excuses, we won't put DS and 3DS on Switch to NSO because we can't make it work with TV mode in a convenient way. I think that's bullshit. You're basically saying I'd rather not have the games if we can't have it on TV mode. That's not what I'm saying. It's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying doesn't make sense for them to do it. Well, how would it not? I'm saying is that solutions need to be made. And I offer you to solution a very, very good solution that there are patents for apparently and you threw out the window. So there are no patents for controllers on the side of a phone. The patents are for AR. I know what the patents are reported on their AR. It has nothing to do with putting controllers on the side. But OK. Phone connectivity. Might be one way to do it. That's one way. Otherwise, I'm not sure, honestly. Yeah, you can't have something that requires buying an accessory for NSO. Why would you even take it? You're also waiting on GameCube NSO for the longest time. GameCube came out before DS. So sure. Yeah, but they seem to be remastering that instead. They may and they may want to remaster DS and 3DS games. I mean, they are remastering a ton of 3DS games. Yeah, they have been doing quite a few 3DS, not all the big ones. Like maybe Nintendo doesn't want to dip into that treasure trove and just give it to NSO. What about the DS library? We just forget that's like Nintendo's most popular system ever. The DS, one of all those games. Well, that's what you think they're going to remaster all those because, again, they don't have games. All right, well, here's an idea. What if they if they start trying to switch as kind of like a cheaper, more handheld dedicated. Platform, one switch, two comes out and they release as you're saying, right, considering your perspective here, they release it, but it's just kind of like, hey, yeah, you got DS on a cell for switch users. So now why won't you include switch to users? Just a Nintendo thing to do. I mean, it's no sense. It would work exactly the same way. Well, it doesn't make sense. Mario Wonder. And how you can't just do normal online multiplayer with your friends. It has to be with the transparencies. So I was thinking about that, that normal multiplayer thing. What's interesting is in the real game, you all you don't bump into your friends. Anyways, the only there's only two ways to interact. And that is one hitting the ghost to bring them back, which they already offer a way to lose. Yeah, that's a dude. There's more. Look at this, man. So before. Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, what? Yeah, this is the Mac user. We get special features. Anyways, so what I was saying is they're online multiplayer. I kept thinking about this whole ghost user thing. If you think about the local co-op, the only thing you're really missing is the ability to jump on Yoshi's back. You already don't interact with each other really otherwise. You just run through the level. So it's really not that much different. It's not very different. It's just a little weird. But on that note, the ability to to hit each other, right? Like, some people are trying to wish that you that was in the game. Yeah, I think it's not a lot of people wish they made it an option and they didn't. Yeah, well, they had a member. There's an interview they did. Exactly. That's why that's why I brought it up. But they removed it because apparently it was too chaotic. And I kept thinking about what we've seen so far. Yeah, I can see that it's what they're doing with the wonder stuff. And it can be pretty chaotic. The interview that I read, it's they had this direction of kind of creating a less stressful environment. And they're like, well, this is stressful. Then I remember I played like, you know, on the Wii U. I didn't like playing with other people and getting knocked off. Like that was just it kind of made it annoying because I want to play the Mario for like platforming. It's not that I don't want challenge, but that kind of it takes away from the intended challenge, if that makes any sense. So I like the way they did it in 3D World. I hated it in 3D World, 3D World as well. Really? Does that like if you were good and you were playing with someone that was bad, like you could literally carry them? Did I just I didn't like playing with other people in 3D World? The way I the reason I think they did it is you think about some of the unique things in this game, the elephant Mario, one character could take up the entire damn platform and no one would be able to progress. They'd all have to wait for that one character to move. So one person could literally prevent everyone else from advancing in the level. That's kind of a dick thing. And so I think that between that and a lot of the other wonder abilities we've seen that do all these crazy things and it's really chaotic and it looks fun, even more chaotic if you're just bumping into everyone and can't get anywhere. And I think that obviously they tried it. I mean, they tried it with collision in development. Like this wasn't something they outright dismissed. They probably started with it, you know, based off fire. Yeah, we'll have collision, not a big deal. And then they're like, this is just not fun or something's just not. And so then they took it away as a test and they're like, oh, this is just this just feels better. And it's hard for us, I think, as consumers to know, because we weren't there to feel the difference. We're only going to know it one way. So so. But they they put Mario Brothers Wonder on the podcast. Are we going to what? We're going to we're going to play a couple of levels on the on the podcast. We can do the same because it'll be transparent. Oh, here we go. Here we look at this guy. But you know what? You don't have to be on that episode. I'll get somebody else in who actually wants to play all the playing on my own. And here we go. See, he can't even do a fun, a fun little group project for the podcast. You can't even do I'm just kidding. I would play I never know if you're kidding. You know, I don't know. I've never been able to pick up on your sarcasm. Yeah, I think it's like I was being serious, but I realized that was way too much. So now I'm going to say it. You'll never know. You'll never know. It's not, you know, what was it that you played with your brother? Switch golf. It wasn't switch golf. So I refuse to play with other people. I think that's what you said you played with your brother. I don't remember. Maybe it was you, wasn't it? I played. I played, yeah, switch sports golf with my brother and my dad a lot recently. Yeah, I played Cuphead with my cousin. Not too long. Yeah, you brought that up in more comparable to Mario Wonder. Yeah. Anyway, I brought up Mario Wonder, though, because I wanted to kind of raise a question, right? Because we're having a little bit of an impasse on this discussion here. And obviously, I acknowledged that Nintendo could release DS Virtual Console on Switch 2. They could. But as assuming it functions exactly as it does on Switch, it would only be for portable mode. I play almost almost only on dock mode. Like, so for me, it would be kind of, it would definitely be. It's like for live streaming, too, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it would make the most sense. And but it is possible, right? I guess the point is, like, for example, same reason Nintendo. I have the solution. And we're dumb. Andres, we're both dumb. Why can't it be on the TV all on one screen? You literally have your damn thing. It's the stupid joy con. You just point at the screen and you're touching. You just hold the button to touch. What are we doing? You're supposed to hold this. But you're supposed to hold the stylus when you're playing anyways, so like, you know what? I mean, it's it would work. Yeah, I'm not saying it's elegant, by the way. I'm just saying it's not elegant at all, but depends on how good the motion controls are. It's not the same. Well, nothing's going to ever be the same as the original. No, you can't be looking for the exact same experience. You got to find the compromise in there that can make it work without having to. It will be worse than the we use virtual console, the DS, which is already worse than the DS. But yeah, but here's the thing. The Wii U came with a stylus and a separate screen. You got to work with what you have. I go back to the Mario Wonder example. The devs made a decision. Yeah, they could have included both, but they chose not to. And I think they just had a vision and they stuck with it. And I just kind of feel like when we're talking about the switch to and the ability for it to do it, it's just it's not elegant. And to me, I just I don't see that happening. I understand you can make the argument of the switch like that's Nintendo did that, so they might be willing to do other things that only impact a small part of the audience. But I think in general, they don't want to do that. That's the exception, not the rule. So I just don't expect them to do that unless they come up with a more elegant solution. And there may be a more elegant solution. I think I don't want it. I want it. And I want so much that they come up with the solution that makes DS good. Not only can you put DS, you can put 3DS and Wii U, which would be fantastic. Will that happen? I don't think so. I think we're ever going to see Wii U on MSO because they already ported like almost an exclusive, but like two. So they're more like they just re-release the things they already ported. I would assume. Yeah, I mean, there's a dream world where like every Nintendo systems eventually on MSO, which I just don't know if Nintendo is ever going to do that. I do think we could see more third party systems. If they could if they could hook up and get Dreamcast on there, get the old Atari systems up. Like I think there's if Dreamcast happens, the GameCube MSO conversations are going to spike. They're going to spike like crazy. Yeah. Can I ask a random question? I mean, it's related to the Switch, but you can ask whatever you want. It's a podcast. Yeah. Would you guys, if I made like a custom candy on Etsy that was a Switch cartridge, but instead of tasting terrible, it was like a lollipop or like a Jolly Rancher. You'd be rich. Do you buy them? Well, I mean, if it's like 10 bucks a thing, no, but price wise. All right. It's a good price. All right. It's going to be a book. No, good idea. It's probably been done already. Yeah, someone probably has a Jolly Rancher 3D printer or something. I just come up with good ideas. Every time I come up with an idea, someone's like, probably been done. Well, or if it's going to always see that. If it's bad, I'll look it up right now with a few hundred people watching that someone can steal it. Yeah, no, I already have it. If you guess, I'm actually going to Etsy right now. I don't know if there's like any sort of candy Switch cartridges. I'm just curious now. I would eat it if you make it. I will support your business. Thank you. You will get at least a purchase from you. Put some weed in it and you'll be good. And we're really well now we're now we're going next level. I wasn't thinking brownie, but yeah, that would probably be easy. You don't have to be brownie. You can do edibles in any form. It wouldn't have to be round. Each seems in the in the one of those forms is just like a tab of acid. But it looks like I mean, there's that too. I'm actually not easily seeing any candy Switch stuff on Etsy. So you know what? You might have some on the market. Yeah, maybe someone's only made it for like a video or something, but no one's actually like made it like made it as to sell. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. So we're supposed to talk about our favorite Wii U moments. Yes. Yes. I was going to get to that here to tune in every week, guys, for more wild ideas, maybe I can even make you rich. And I would be so mad if one of you got rich off of my ideas. But hey, if you're at this podcast every week, you could steal one. Well, we're going to add a disclaimer at the beginning of the show. Any one of this, anyone that steals an idea from the show, we automatically all get five percent. Oh, yeah. So that includes the sneakers that I designed that have magnets in them. So you could pick up loose change as nice as my idea. Wow, it's pretty good. So, Jake, I don't know if you know this, but one time I made a video up about this, it was a couple of years ago where I made a prediction on one breath of the wild tooth. That's how long the prediction was would come out. And I was dead wrong. And because I was wrong, I had to eat dubious cake. Or dubious. I made it. I made a cake that looked like the dubious food from Breath of the Wild, like that actual pile. I like it. So we made it. We created it as a cake to actually make it look like that shape. And we had we created like bones and like little choo-choo jellies and like the purple green gook that it is. And also like the pixley stuff. So that's that was the best way to do it. And we used a lot of different spices in the cake that would normally go into like cake like Rorschershire sauce and other stuff that I don't remember. Oh, my God, I think that was like actually dubious. It was dubious. They fit the description. Yeah, that's a great video. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, it didn't do well. It didn't do well. Actually, I mean, actually, actually, it did do well for the channel standards at the time. Yeah, you can see he's got these internal standards that are like way above even what like spawn waves doing. So it's insane. It's just the fourth didn't do too well, either. It was a spoon. Don't ask me how we didn't get out. So let me see. I'm looking at let's. So what are some of like our favorite memories of online play specifically on 3ds and we you. Who wants to go first? Are you done first? There you go. Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 7 pretty much it done. That's all you can think about all those times that he totally went online and played. Yep, what's your with your house on a Mario Kart 7, but I always would like play with friends on road trips locally. Sure, I never played it online. But that's any of us online games on Wii U and 3ds. Maybe we should start with that question. Yes. OK, well, I don't like he basically hasn't. Eric hasn't. Yeah, I mean, or Pokemon, like I said, Pokemon. I played Splatoon online. I played I played poke in. What do you do online? I played Zedoblade X online. What else that I play online on that? I mean, Mario Kart and Smash, obviously. What else was there? I play Mario Maker online. I play Triforce Heroes online on Wii U. Oh, well, I'm going between the both. Yeah, well, Federation Force, I did try doing the call for a friend. I played that online. The Wi-Fi cards suck. They can't do to crash. So I never actually finished the game. I played Smash online on both. Yeah, Wii U and 3ds. I never bought the Smash 3ds, but I played a demo like for 100 hours. It was kind of cool. They gave us a demo for that. It was it was. Yeah, not a game I ever expected there to be a demo for. And here you go. Yeah, it was fun. I'm trying to think what other games that I actually play online. Pretty much everything on Wii U that had an online mode, I tried online at some point. Kid Icarus. Yeah, Kid Icarus Uprising. Yeah. Yeah. That was one that game needs needs to be remade. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just just looking at things, I'm pretty. Like Star Fox, I think Star Fox 64 3D. I think it only had local multiplayer. I wish they made that online. It would have been good. So yeah. What's cool about that one is that one, I mean, well. I don't know. There's just a lot of that. There's not like when I think back, most of my memories with Wii U and 3ds aren't necessarily the multiplayer, the online aspect, even though I did. So like I did play online with the stuff, but I didn't. It wasn't what I majority played on the systems. So when I think back on it, like it it almost just makes me feel like it really doesn't matter if they're shutting it down because there really wasn't that many popular games for online. I'm just can't play Black Ops 2 anymore. Yeah. And I think they already shut down those servers. I think they shut it down a long time ago. Yeah. So. It really isn't that big of a travesty because Nintendo really wasn't all in on that online stuff until this generation. Nintendo was figuring it out last generation. I mean, I was more sad when Miiverse went away than I was anything else. Yeah. I mean, well, when Waker HD had the Miiverse integration with the Tinglebottles, that was really cool until Miiverse died. So when Miiverse died, like something that made when Waker HD so cool went away. So I guess it's not really impacted by the online stuff now because Miiverse has been dead for years. Oh, yeah. Now, it's true. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's like the thing, like my memories are mostly single player on these systems, but I did play online. It just Miiverse was like the most memorable part of online for me and both systems, like sharing memories from games with fellow Nintendo fans, screenshots, drawing pictures. But we haven't been able to do that for a long time. So. Yeah. Did even make it through the entire Wii U generation Miiverse. I think it made it to the end of Wii U. Pretty sure it did. I can't remember when Miiverse was shut down. Miiverse shut down. All right, Google. For me, I've always leaned towards single player games. I don't play a lot of multiplayer or it's just like certain games with certain friends. Miiverse has just continued November 7th, 2017. Yeah. So it lived through the whole Wii U life. So a lot of these online shutdowns in general, I feel the same way as Nate feels about this. Yeah, like to me, I can see how Xbox and PlayStation online being shut down would be a bigger deal because they were charging for it and they had a rap load of online games. But Nintendo didn't really have all those online third party games and their own games. The only handful are actually online. So make someone brought up Devil's Third on Wii U. Like, yeah, that was the only good part of Devil's Third because the main game sucked. Multiplayer was kind of fun, but I don't know. I this whole thing, it's a harsh reality of online. And honestly, the bigger thing you guys should be upset about is when they finally shut down your ability to download games from the shop, because they're going to do that one day. And there is something I am concerned about. So I did fire up my Wii U the other day because my brother was like, hey, I want to play zombies. And I'm like, what do you mean? I mean, he meant he meant no, he meant transit in Black Ops 2. Oh, that's what he meant. Oh, man. Yeah. It was like, OK, that's really fun. Like it is awesome. But it took me so long to get it running because one, the Wi-Fi card in my Wii U is like really shoddy now. So like it doesn't always connect to the router and I could not find my LAN adapter so or my adapter to connect the internet. So it took me. But eventually we got to connect and the reason we had to get it to connect is because the game had to update, even though I'm pretty sure called Black Ops 2 hasn't been like supported for years. For some reason, there still needed to be an update to it. And so I wonder what's going to happen when they stop providing firmware updates? Will some games just become. Not usable at all. Because if we if I was unable to connect my Wii to the internet to get the update, that I would never be able to play that game, even though we have the disk, like it was a forced. Hey, this has to update or you can't play. Yeah, it's not like Switch. Switch is actually pretty nice about that. You can just skip the updates and keep playing whatever's on the card. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. It's a weird time for Nintendo. And the thing is that stuff's going to be shut down eventually, too. And that I mean, that I understand a bigger backlash for, especially since digital was actually starting to grow on those platforms. So I could be like, I get it. I get being upset when that happens, what it's going to. I hate to break that news. It's going to happen to PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 eventually, too, if they're going to shut down those servers. Liquid death. That being said, someone in the chat asked, liquid death looks really, really unhealthy. It's not it's not it's not that bad. Literally water. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm having the iced tea, but there's like no sugar. It's so much healthier than like anything else. That's the whole point. It's like it's like trying to look like it's this bad ass thing. Like it's actually it's actually not even that bad. It's like not at all. Hey, they keep it clean. They keep it clean, boy. They do. Yeah. So does anyone think this this what I spin doctored today has any relevance to when they're shutting this down? I think it's a soft relevant because April, it's literally the beginning of the next fiscal year. Yeah, I mean, I think it is relevant, but it's not like a hint. They're like, oh, that's when the switch two is getting revealed or it's what's coming. I just think it means, yeah, Nintendo is transitioning their resources over. And I mean, it's just a sign of the times. I don't think it's. That's it. I don't I don't that's pretty much all I said in my video. Yeah, it's you know, that's it. It's also probably like if we end up getting like those Amigo restocks, right? Like if the Amigo restocks do happen, I mean, they are happening, right? Like, yeah, and there's no other no other thing. It is because of switch two, but it's not because it's a big event happening just because, hey, they're just trying to push out the last of their of their stock or what have you because they're they're getting ready for a new generation. Like it's it's there are these things that are kind of tangentially related, but they're not like some sort of crazy hint that what's to come. We already know what's to come. If you don't think switch two is coming, you're in denial. I don't know how many times Nintendo has to basically say, we're always making new hardware, we're making new hardware. I can't talk about the new hard, which actually is something that just came up this past week. And Chintura Furukawa was asked a question, but we can get that into a moment. I agree, but also the lights behind Nate and Eric look like two sock puppets that are about to fight each other or make out. I don't know. That's all right. We show the love around here. Keep it clean. Yeah, keep it very clean. So we can get into our second topic, which is probably finally a more cheerful, hopefully like, I don't know, Metroid Prime 4 is involved with this topic. So maybe there'll be buttonheads between me and Andres. Can you see the buttonheads every time Metroid Prime 4 comes up? Although I don't think we're going to buttonheads too much on this one. I think it's probably a bogus rumor, but it may be true. Well, yeah, when we get to that part, because we've got some Nashville stuff in here, we'll go over. But also nothing he really said is like something that I didn't already assume was happening. Anyway, it's it's all things we were on the same page. Yeah, yeah, but we'll get to that in a moment. First, we can get to a couple of the more interesting things. First off, and this is again, is something that a lot of us may be expected, but maybe you didn't because, hey, Nintendo hasn't really had full triple A third party support since the Super Nintendo. Let's just be honest about it. They just haven't. They've had some some generations of more than others, but they've never really just had the whole industry being like, yeah, if our game can run there, we'll put it there. And Nintendo had systems even through GameCube that were powerful enough to get them and they still weren't getting them. So Nintendo is not always just about power. That's the whole reason I brought that up. Sometimes it's just they don't think they're going to sell well. Now, what's interesting is that Tom Henderson, who is the founder of InsiderGaming.com, but also has been a journalist at many big outlets, put out a tweet that said he keeps hearing from from a lot of third party studios and everything he keeps hearing about is that we're going to see basically launching on Xbox Series X and S PlayStation 5, Nintendo Switch 2 and PC a heck of a lot in 12 to 18 months. Now, people may be read too much into it and said, oh, the system's launching in 12 to 18 months. I mean, I know these are saying like when the games are ready and coming out in 12 to 18 months, those games are pretty much going to a large chunk of them are going to be also on Nintendo Switch 2, which is maybe something some of you guys expect, but it would be for Nintendo. I think a big win if they can get all that third party support. So so what do we think too much destroyer up? Could you please turn the fireplace back up? Thank you. Is just one thing that I wanted to just point out that I don't think it's mentioned enough. That's related to everything is that I know that a lot of us are disappointed in the offerings that are brought to NSO in which there was more systems and all this. But I do think one thing that hurt Nintendo was any time someone tried to put a third party game on the Wii U, their online like selection of like virtual like their virtual console was so good that nine times out of 10 someone would buy a game off there over trying a new third party thing. And I do think that limiting that, well, it sucks. I think it has encouraged more switch owners to buy third party titles when if there was the option to purchase stuff instead of having it on NSO, a lot of Nintendo fans would just buy those classic games over a lot of potential third party or new titles. But I think that's one positive effect of how they did it. You know, it's interesting when you bring that up. You mentioned the Wii U, there has to be an audience to buy games. The only games that sold well on Wii U were first party Nintendo and even they didn't sell that well. They saw well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. So like like virtual console, I don't think really hurt third party sales. I just think the fact there is no one who owned the system hurt their party sales because like switch sales and I saw or not like over a billion games have been sold and those aren't all Nintendo games. You look at the eShop 25 of the last of the current top 30 selling games or third party games. It's very obvious that third party is much more popular on Switch than it ever was on Nintendo's prior platforms. And a large chunk of that's probably one form factor getting to play some of these big triple A games in the go. That that's just really enticing for a lot of people. Other platforms until these expensive handheld PCs came out weren't, you know, weren't really an option. And then just, you know, you do that. People like playing indie games on the go as well. That's always been that's always been something people love to do is playing indie games on the go. You look at that top 25, it's a bunch of triple A and indie games, man. Like there there's a really healthy mix in there. So third party games are pretty popular on this generation. And I think because of that, maybe Nintendo wanted to even put an emphasis on this next go around that, hey, we actually want more third party support because we're there's a bunch of games like Assassin's Creed Mirage. We're not getting and we think if we got them and they were native and they performed well, would sell really, really well on our system. So I find it interesting when Tom Henderson is like, hey, man, a lot of these games are going to say and Nintendo Switch two in the future that are only on pay us five Xbox series and PC. So you know, next gen, which it feels weird using the term next gen. It's current generation, but people are still delineate because, hey, we have all these cross gen titles still releasing on PS4 and Xbox. So like until that completely stops, I think people are going to keep saying using the term next gen. But I don't know, like, what are you guys like, like, Andres, what do you think about the third party support thing? Do you think one that Tom is telling the truth? I mean, I guess we can't know. But and two, do you think it's a big deal that we get like this is still keeping it clean? But just I'm just saying Tom is a weed. OK, the L seven where? All right. Well, that's what we were talking about. Andres, what do you think? It's like a huge deal that we get all the triple A third party games. I feel like that's what he's talking about. Um, I mean, I think it is a huge deal in terms of the quality of the system. I think. I must be pretty good performance wise if we're getting those games. Yeah, I mean, it speaks well for the for that. It speaks well for people like me that don't feel like playing games on more than one platform at a time because they're extremely lazy and or don't want to spend fixing under dollars. Yeah, you love their games. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Like them more than you think. I said you love them. So yeah, if there are more of them on switch, too, he might buy more of them. I would. I would. I mean, let me ask you this. There's a word I was talking about earlier, Andres. And then you can continue your point. If there was a virtual console on switch, would you be more inclined to buy virtual console games over a third party switch game? No, I'm not. I'm not like other people. It's it's well, I mean, so to an extent, I think the answer has to be yes, because at the end of the day, right, every game is competing for the dollar, right? So if I spent $30 on three different virtual console games and there was a $30 game that I didn't buy because I hadn't have $30, then the answer is yes. Right. But, you know, like if there's a major triple A third party game that I want to play, I'm going to play it, right? Like there's there are certain games that, you know, if I want it, I'm going to get it like that's just that simple. But I do think that maybe, dear, I think there's something to what you're saying, because what they heard in Nintendo games more than third party games, but you buy old Mario games, ten bucks a pop or buy the new one. I don't think so, because that's how they've done it. That's how they did it on 3DS. That's that's how they've always done it. Well, so why would it hurt third party games more than it would hurt Nintendo first party games when a majority of the offerings are Nintendo because because they are Nintendo games? Like. Historically, like owners of Nintendo consoles by them to play the Nintendo games. So when there's a virtual console Nintendo game for cheap over a brand new triple A first party Nintendo release, of course, those Nintendo fans are going to play the new thing. But then when there isn't any new Nintendo stuff out and there's new third party games, a lot of them would buy would choose virtual console games instead. It's hide them. So you don't think they'd be excited for a triple A game? A triple A third party game, yes. But like some of the more like double it was like the Indies in the garage, for example. Yes, that's yeah. OK. But and Andre said the same thing. And I do agree. Like, yeah, if there's a really big deal triple A third party game, that's different. Yeah, as Christopher Moon says in the chat, we'll just make better games and it won't matter. I mean, there is there is a little bit of truth to that. Like if you look at some of the most critically acclaimed indie games, they sell like crazy on Nintendo platforms because the critical acclaim hits social media before you know it. Sales just boomed for it. So I kind of think you'll buy good games. Yeah, great games are going to sell. Yeah, great games are going to sell now. I think that's really what it is. Yeah, that all said, you know, like I'm. Like I would be very excited for third party games on Switch. You're like, how does it? Does it move the needle in terms of sales? I'm not super certain on on that. I mean, I want to say that ultimately it is a benefit. I don't know if it'll be the difference between switch to like beating switch one or not. Like, I don't know if it's going to be that significant of a difference, but I think sales, though, I think there's an opportunity for Nintendo that if the switch to can prove to play console quality games to a to a level of fidelity that's acceptable. Yeah, that most that the casual may not even know as much of a difference. Then that's a huge win win. Yeah, big and it makes the reason why people would buy a PlayStation five or an Xbox series a less, less of a reason. Like if the reason you buy those systems because you want the optimal like experience, that still will be the case. But if that, but if it doesn't seem like that apparent to the mainstream consumer, then people are going to buy switch to instead. I think the big day giveaway portable and not if switch to is powerful enough. I think the big day giveaway will be does the switch to versions of the AAA multiplayer games have cross play with PS5 and Xbox. And if they do, that is like a big sign that, hey, clearly for the performance is way close enough that we could just cross play and it's not a big deal. Oh, you get a frame rate. Yeah, frame rate. That's the big question. No, I know we've taken guesses and talked about what they're going to call the switch to and so I don't I don't want to go back into that. But I am wondering how important do you guys think them getting the name right on this system is like same exact system, same exact specs, everything they name it one thing versus naming it another thing. How much could naming it the wrong thing mess it up? Just based on their history. I don't think it's just the name. That's well, of course, not you. That's what I'm saying. How much weight will you put on? Well, I guess what I'm trying to do. I got so what what what I'm trying to me. The we use a good example of how badly you know, a poor name can impact a system. But what I want to kind of say is I don't think it comes down to the name itself or on its own. I think it's just the overall vision of what the system is supposed to be and what they're trying to market it as and the name is a part of that. Yeah, it's a it's a pivotal piece to the the marketing and branding of what a system is meant to be. So yeah, I guess what I'm asking is how how pivotal. Significantly, I mean, I think the we you think a console for them again, even if you don't think that was the full reason we do. And I agree more regardless of what happened, what would have happened. You know, they had an amazing like marketing scheme for we you. The fact of the matter is they didn't have the games to back it up. I'll say this, I'll say this. For me, a name is really important because branding is important. So if they mess up the name, you could see a drop off like from DS to 3DS, where it was half the sales of DS still had games. You still had amazing stuff happening. So it had games, it had support. Yeah, and the 3DS was better than DS like every way. It was and you could play DS games. There was no reason not to really upgrade. But then was that name really that great of a name? It sounds good. 3DS, right? Sounds neat. Oh, 3DS, a DS with 3D. But as like a branding name, it's very strange. I think that I wonder if that impacted sales at all was the branding. The thing about the 3DS, though, I think that 3DS had better had much better branding than the Wii U. Like the 3DS was an exciting concept. Because when you hear 3DS and you hear DS, what do you think the difference is? Are you even aware that's a new system? Like we're aware because we're hardcore fans. But if you're casual, you hear DS and 3DS. What does that tell you? I think the DSi XL, they had 2DS, 2DS, like this branding wasn't that great. I'll tell you that I don't remember that being a conversation point ever that people are being confused about 3DS versus DS. Well, I also think and I also think it's at least safe to say that it was better than the Wii U situation. Oh, yeah, I mean, obviously, what we could but let's see, you just said the Wii U failed because of a number of factors. Well, the 3DS had a lot of a lot of 3DS didn't have all those same factors. But one thing we could say, if we're looking for just the impact of a name is that maybe 3DS was actually and like the name itself, the branding was actually a problem. That's actually and it was actually a conversation back then. It was an actual conversation online that the branding was confusing. I think there's a more glaring problem. Launch line up. Sure, they did not have a strong launch line up. It was horrendous. Well, sure. And as you said, they had a steal diver and Street Fighter 3D. I know, but they did eventually come out with games and the sales did pick up. But it never quite. The thing is, the DS didn't shoot out the gate with the amazing sales. And you guys are making good points now. It was year two and year three. They really need to pick up when I come over and I had on all those things. Name, launch line up price. They need that they really need to hit on all of those to keep the momentum up and up. Not a successful system is not easy. It's not easy. Yeah. I was just saying that more confident than this generation, that's problems than we use. Kind of my point. There were less problems with like it had games. Maybe the launch line up suck, but we can't say 3DS didn't have games. There's another thing to factor into this. The DS. It sold incredibly well. And I think even if Nintendo came out with a killer, let's say they launched the 3DS with 3D land and then three months later, came out with awkwardly time, 3D, like, let's say like all their best games were up or up six to nine months or something like that. Right. Like, even if they did that, even if they released it at $200, I still don't think 3DS would have outsold the DS. I'm not even. I mean, maybe it would have hit a hundred million, but I don't think it would have. I think the branding was completely confusing. It was literally being talked about back then. Even if they called it DS to whatever you want to call it. I argued on trying to make here is simply that regardless of what they would have done, I don't think they're that where the market was at, they were going to beat DS numbers. The DS sold over 150 million copies, you know, it's not copies because it's a system, but yeah, it's just units. Yeah. And a lot of that had to do with, you know, they they caught lightning in a bottle. It's very similar to how the Wii, but even even more so that the whole all this like, you know, the whole Nintendo staying the touchscreen technology, like a DS came out before the iPhone. Yeah, they took advantage of touchscreen technology. They really helped to popularize that technique. We really brought in a lot of people. Got a lot of people excited and they started introducing things like Nintendo's brain age. They brought in a much larger audience that eventually settled on to just playing smartphone games, you know, down the road. I like to like that audience and head of captured during that generation was a one-time thing. And I don't think they were going to recapture that with 3ds. 3ds, I think, and Jake brought this up earlier. I think you said it like 3ds, it seems like a better system than the DS, I think I actually think I agree with that. Like as a core as a core Nintendo fan, the 3ds looking at its its lineup of games and what that system did. It's a cooler system to me than the DS was. And I love the DS, but the point simply is, I think that. It just it wasn't going to happen the same way, like sometimes when we might make a really good video and no matter what we do with that video, no matter how we market it, no matter what time of day we put it in, just because of where the market's at at this point in time, that video has a ceiling and there's nothing we can do about it. Wait, can I play devil's advocate for a second? Now that now that we're talking about this, it got it's got me thinking. So we said one of the reasons why the 3ds might not have done as well. It was price so high at launch, but it was also backwards compatible. And it didn't do well. Do you think trying to get separate? That could be one reason that Nintendo might not want to do backwards compatibility for the switch to looking how the 3ds versus the DS sold. And again, I don't necessarily feel that way. I'm more just playing devil's advocate. Yeah, I don't really feel like people didn't buy a 3ds because they could still play DS games. But I don't think that's why I mean bad launch line up. And I do think it was a bad branding. I don't think the branding was good. At all. I only say that because I have like family members who had DS's and I'm like a Nintendo guy and like I'm like, oh, I'm playing 3ds. And they're like, what the hell is a 3ds? Like people just didn't really even like a general consumer didn't really understand what this thing is. Like I have a DS. I don't why do I need a 3ds? I just don't know how many people actually gave a shit about the 3d part of it. Well, there was that too. There was that too. Yeah. That's why they released it wasn't a good gimmick now. Right. I think that also played into is that. Yeah, you know, it impressed media, but then it's like once you're past the novelty of it, it's like, OK, now what was the benefit of me updating if I didn't give two flying crabs both 3d? There's some there's some games that are built with. Oh, sure. Yeah. But oh, that's here and there. That's not. And ever and because I will say headaches to it's a great question because you probably don't like just like the increased processing power, like the types of games that you can play in the 3ds. You could never play on the DS. I mean, that's like the bigger. Yeah, there are we you games on the damn thing. So let me get that to you as a question. Did the DS beat the PSP by a bigger margin than the 3ds beat the Vita? No, I would. I mean, I would say yes, because it's like 156 million to 80 million. Right. So that's that's that's that's beaten it by like 100 percent. How much do you think the Vita sold Vita? I have the numbers and so. Yeah, I don't have the number in front of Vita. Didn't sell 40 million. Yeah. So I think I think the 3ds has sold it. This is my guess by 60 million. You consider that. Yes. By my total. But when people talk margin, I got it. And yeah, obviously, yeah, yeah, like the 3ds also Vita a lot by by ratio. DS greatly outperformed the Vita by sheer margin. Like just like number, I think DS is technically did better. Yeah, it was 80 million. Right. Like, yeah, it sold like 75 more million. But a margin between the DS and the PSP is probably larger than all of the 3ds was sold. It's about it's about the total 3ds. It's like the total 3ds sales. Yeah. But in terms of ratios, 3ds much greatly outperformed Vita. And what I'm getting at is that it goes back to what I was saying earlier. Like, I think just that that period of time, like dedicated handhelds weren't doing extremely well. So he canceled the Vita. There's a lot of things that play, though. Am I the Vita failed just like, but it's also like the only a lot of a lot of the 3ds great system switch. Yes, Sony never treated the Vita well or Vita good system. They did at the very beginning when they put like on sharded and a few. Oh, yeah, they launch was sweet. And then it was like three months and they're like, all right, never done. What I wonder, though, is maybe Nintendo saw where where we even their handheld sales were going. They thought, OK, we got to do something about this because Nintendo's handheld market has always been strong. And when they had such a major dip and then obviously the Wii was complete failure, they're like, OK, we need to do something to make this work. And they found it. I think it's interesting when you bring that up because 3ds is technically their worst selling handheld ever. But it's only the worst selling handle ever, about like five million. And if you look at the GB, the Game Boy lines, the Game Boy with the game because they combine it together, Game Boy Advance. Like it's right around 80 million. It really wasn't that short of what their handles were always doing before DS. Like it was within margin of error of what Game Boys were doing. It is the only thing 3ds failed to measure up to was the DS, but it still measured up to their prior handhelds. So their their handheld market didn't really shrink that much. It just sort of showed that you said that that lightning in a bottle that DS was, but their handheld market was still pretty damn strong. If anything else, what they were seeing is their home console market was not at all. And by the way, their home console market had never been as strong as their handheld market ever in any generation. There is not a single home console generation that came close to outselling the handheld generation at that given time, which is insane. Their handheld people don't think about this growing up. Their handhelds were actually their lead division. It wasn't their home consoles. But we focus on the home consoles because they get the bigger games. But handhelds always been big for them. So this all originally started when we were talking about the third party stuff, right? They're a better revenue split on on home consoles, though. I think it's 30 percent either way. But you probably make more because of the games cost more. Systems cost more. But I know that I don't know the profit profit margins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, profit margins. So to Jake's point, he was saying, like, hey, how much does the title or how much is the name of a system impact sales? Obviously, we don't know. We all we can do is guess. I was saying that 3ds, I don't think was a great name, a better name. Maybe it sells an extra 25 million. Does that get it to, you know, DS numbers? No, that gets it to 100 million plus, which is still better than every other handheld, but yes. That's better than everyone in the Nintendo system, really, but yes. So that still would be considered pretty big success. People wouldn't really look at that as like, oh, man, we're selling handheld they've ever had technically and but it's still sold 75 million that let's just know how successful their handhelds have been. But we don't know. That's the big thing is we don't really know what a bad name does. What we do know is what consistent branding does because there's only one platform out of all of them that has consistent branding. Even when you look at back at the PlayStation Vita, PlayStation PSP, like the PlayStation portable PlayStation Vita, that's not consistent branding. It's not consistent Xbox, Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox, should have called the PSP as a PSP to there's no consistency with that branding. So then you look at what's the only platform that's been consistent and branding and is the one that's consistent in sales. PlayStation, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5. It's the most boring branding of all time. And also it's the only one that's consistent between all the companies and who's the company that consistently has the sales every generation. Sony never enters a generation and worries that they're not going to sell 80 million plus units every time. Yes, three. They still sold 80 million plus. Yeah, barely. That's a word for a long time, and they had to do a lot of practice. Yeah, PSP was bad for them at the beginning, but was just Sony. What the 3DS was to Nintendo? What the 3DS was bad? Audit rough and finished strong. So the thing about the PSP though, they started at a $600 price tag, which seems expensive now. That was back in 2006. Yeah, it's just crazy. But you think about it's crazy. That's the worst selling home console before we. That would have been Nintendo's best selling home console. So like to put it in perspective, hey, it's still like consistent branding still sold very well. There were other things they did that hurt it and prevented it from getting to the 100 mil, but that just goes to show that more than brand matters, a brand consistency can still keep you at a certain level. And Sony found out, OK, that certain level is like 60, 70, 80 million. Like even the branding. Yeah, it's hard for us to say for certain, like just how much it would impact. Like I agree that obviously it makes a difference. The question is how much of a difference, but I think we all can agree that what Intel needs to do is hit it out of the park in several categories. They need to get the branding right, need to get the games right, and they should get the price right. Like they got to do it all. If this isn't called Nintendo Switch to I don't know anything else they can call it that would work. So the other day, they're literally bringing Nintendo Switch online forward. It has Nintendo Switch in their online service that we pay for. Like you've got to keep the brand. Yeah, the other day. It wasn't my this week's podcast was last week's podcast for me. So we we played a game. We were like, all right, so try and come up with like the name for the switch. Right. And I let Brandon and Sam, who was also guessing on the show that that night, each go first and they took the two good names. So I had no other. I had no option but to come up with something new. Like they took switch to and they took super switches, like a solid alternative, I guess. Right. And so I was like, well, what do I call it? Because it's it ain't going to be a cube. Oh, God, I spent I spent so much time like just trying to think of something that made sense. I spent too long on it and but ultimately I came with a name and I got the sense that everyone in my chat was like, hey, that's actually that sounds kind of cool. Admittedly, it sounds more like a code name, but I'm going to say it. But I came up with was Switch Nova. Hmm. Sounds cool, right? It Nova does seem to kind of indicate, oh, like super Nova. Like that's like that's like strong. It's like more powerful. I hear you're going with that, right? But also Nova sounds a little bit like. Nuevo. New. Here we go. So anyway, that that was just an idea, right? That it took I spent a really long time trying to think of something that if Nintendo did would work, that isn't just straight up switch to. And that's that's what I came up with. Like I think I think the main point I'm trying to make here is I just wanted to say that that because I think it sounds cool. But also I like I like the name. Like it's like when people bring up Super Switch, it's like I like it. I think that's terrible branding. Didn't even work. But do you think it would be bad branding? Yes. What about Nintendo Switch Advance? Yes, bad brandy. OK, so why would Nova be bad? Because there's a lot of other things in the market called Switch Blank and Nova doesn't really indicate to people that it's a system. You got to have to indicate. So don't pick a number. Let's play the same game then. Don't pick a number. Don't call it Super Switch, which I think you already think is a bad idea. Anyway, what do you call it? You can't you can't can't call it switch to why the numbers vanish from the English language. Listen, he's just he's just saying if you had to pick something that wasn't a number, what do you think about it? I wouldn't pick anything that's not a number. Right. I wouldn't even consider it. I'm about to shoot off one of your testicles, which that. But that's the hypothetical. I don't need them anymore. I already have children. I'm good. I mean, what do you want? Well, let's just say that that switch to is not on the table. Still get a prime time with me. That's not a problem. What are they going to call it? If they don't use the number, I'm not even willing to entertain the question. So I think anything else is a mistake. Someone in the chest had bait and switch. I do that every night to go to sleep. There you go. There you go. Yeah, I'm not even willing to entertain the question, to be honest. One, two, three, every successful product that releases sequels to it has a number. Every single go look at it. Go look in all the technology that leads me to a question I was going to ask, well, under all of them, do you think there's a different number like the way Xbox 360 and whatever? No, there's a different number that Nintendo could potentially use that would still be successful. No. Or do you think two is the only option? It's the only option. And so it sounds like you're saying that you're 100 committed to the idea that Nintendo is going to call their next system switch to. I think it's the only thing that makes actual sense. If you already said that the real Levone case in and there's no other Levone cases, you don't need to indicate that you're the real one. Yeah, like it's OK for people. Like I see people in the chat on our live version of this, being like, they just try and they just look they're all bad. There isn't a good one. Like we can we can find things that sound good in our brain. My number one thing is if I'm Nintendo, I wanted to sell every piece of technology that has sequels that uses numbers, cells and they use numbers that indicate it's a sequel to the prior thing. Jake, this is your fault. No, this is your fault. You brought the whole name thing. We didn't have to go in this direction. But 3DS, again, I indicated there was no other number but two. If they had called it Nintendo DS2, I think it would have sold better. Three didn't tell you shit. And it showed off a feature a lot of people didn't even like. It was it was confusing. You don't put the I'm not saying put the two at the beginning of Nintendo Switch, you don't go to Nintendo Switch. No, it's Nintendo Switch 2. They put the two at the beginning in the chat that Nintendo Switch 4K. I was I thought of that too. But that's actually worse. That just sounds like another like OLED switch. It just sounds like a new version of the same thing. Yeah. Hey, they could do it. We need to switch family. We're going to beat that. It means to be indicated that it's that it is a separate generation, that it is a new. And by the way, if anybody throws out in the chat, new Nintendo Switch, I'm going to reach through the screen and punch you in the face. Yeah, that's not. Hey, that's not keeping it clean. Now, I just got to ask you guys if you want to clean punch. It's a clean punch. It's a clean punch. All right. Well, you're fine. But if they recommend that, that's not keeping it clean. I got it. Ready? Nintendo Switch and Wivel. I knew we've got to go that way. Yeah, they're totally going to do that now. Yeah, that's what it is. DOS, switch DOS. And you know what's nice about a number? Hey, you want to know what's so clean about a number? It cleanly translates the exact same in every language. Do you think they would consider Nintendo Switch 69? No. I mean, look, look at the Nintendo Switch. Dude, if the Nintendo Switch is still going as a brand, like 300 years from now, yeah, maybe there's a 69th version. I don't know what to do. All right, I hope it's Nintendo Switch 2. I think it's still going to be going 200, 300 years from now. What they'll do, though, is... I can't wait for PlayStation 69. I'm going to be frozen just for that. Dude, they should call... They should... No, no, no. Here's what they do. They call it, because there's that whole PlayStation Pro potentially coming out next year, call it the PlayStation 6.9. Just confuse everyone, because we're at PS5. Now you're just throwing everyone for a loop. What does the 6.9 mean? Everyone knows, because the logo, that have the dot be so small, that it literally just looks like 69. Oh, yeah. I don't even... It can have no games. I'd buy it. People would buy it just for the memes. No, what they would do is they'd get the 68, and then they'd pull a Samsung and go to the year. Because they... Samsung with the Galaxy is they had one, two, three, four. And then all of a sudden, for some un-gally-ass reason, they decided to go, now we're going by year. Yeah, but it's still a number that indicates the new. But yeah, it was confusing when they made the switch. The complete skip over of 69 is what I'm saying. When they made the switch, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting, because I know, I just just wanted me to have some fun and come up with a really interesting, brand new possible name. And I know guys are disappointed I'm not willing to play. But you don't own him, Andres. I know that I'm not willing to play ball, but that's because I have seen so many different people throw out all these different names, even in the chat tonight. So many different names. And I keep going. All of these names sound so confusing compared to Nintendo Switch, too. I don't know why you would go away from a proven strategy in the technology world. Well, they wouldn't be going away because we've never been there. I guess you got that. But that's the thing, like they've done this in the past and it's never worked out for them. So why why keep going? Be why keep making the same mistakes in the past? Well, I mean, it worked out for the Wii. But no, no, no, no. See, the Wii was a whole brand new thing. It's just like Switch, a brand new thing. Right. Right. But like Super Nintendo, Super Nintendo was an iterative system of the NES and 64 was technically an iterative system of the Super Nintendo, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But they have it using these different names. So we literally was a GameCube. Well, OK, there's that. But we all know what we really represented at the time to give it. Yeah. Well, I'm talking about the Wii, not the Wii U. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Oh, OK. We were talking about the Wii U. The ambulance is in here. Yeah, the ambulance. Ambulance. So can we actually talk about the topic? Yeah. Well, so the so it all really started with the third party game thing. And the reason I brought it up is there is one thing that Sony does do that Nintendo doesn't in terms of having all this third party support. Did you guys know Nintendo Switch is the first Nintendo system to move a billion in software? The first in Nintendo history to move a billion, not even the hundred and fifty million selling DS could do it. That's what this should call the next switch, Nintendo switch billion. So I bring this up because PlayStation seems to consistently sell a billion in software every generation. One big thing they have, Nintendo doesn't is all the third party support. So if Nintendo now gets all the third party support, I do see a world where this starts to guarantee they start to move a billion in software this next generation. So maybe, yeah, maybe Switch who doesn't sell one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty million units. Let's say it sells one hundred and fifteen million like PlayStation five or PlayStation four. Sorry. It can still move a billion in software because there'll be even more software people want to play available on the platform. So that was sort of what I was getting at with Tom Henderson when he said this and like how this could actually be a really big deal for Nintendo because they haven't had full third party support since the Super Nintendo. And if they get it back, the full third party cross gen day and date with reasonable performance and reasonable looking games, I kind of think it's just going to boost the overall software sales on the system. That's what I was trying to get at, but originally before we spun off into everything else, I'm personally very excited. I have a prospect of playing a new Monster Hunter next year on my Nintendo Switch, too, not just on my my my fancy four K television, but also cuddled up in my bed right after I was playing at my four K fancy television. Yeah. That's potentially playing online. If you do that and you could play even with people on PS five. Yeah, maybe with you until I get into a fight. I'll probably be playing it on Switch. Here's the thing, if it gets all the third party support, it's almost going to kill me playing the other platforms. I'm going to buy all my third party games on it. I have a Nintendo bias, like if it looks and plays good enough, I'll play it on my Switch instead. It's me. It's not a bias. It's a I get to play it on my TV and it looks almost as good as the other systems and I can take it with me. Well, I prefer the controller. I prefer playing. I also like having the option of playing portable modes. I did. There are. There are. It's the best of all worlds. So that's like that's why it's not because the bias. If PlayStation five was instead a Switch like device. Yeah, I'd have a real debate then about which system I'm going to buy the damn games on, but it's not. So the only thing I would really use for PS five is when I want to play those day and day Sony exclusives, like Spider-Man 2. So I don't know. It's kind of interesting that to think about a world where Nintendo gets full AAA third party support because we haven't had that world. And I'm going to be honest, probably a lot of people watching this podcast weren't even alive the last time that happened to a Nintendo system. Because we're talking early nineties, man. All right. So there's more switch to stuff here, by the way. What do we want to get to do? We want to do a nasty rumor. So so we could touch the Nashville stuff or do you want to go to the Furukawa stuff? Well, the color stuff seems more relevant. All right, we do the Furukawa stuff. Well, a lot of videos on the Furukawa interview for those who don't know, Furukawa did an interview with Nick K. And he was asked some very pointed questions. Credits in a case for being willing to ask questions that they probably knew they weren't going to get direct answers for. Including, hey, how are you going to handle the transition to your next generation system switch to or whatever? I can't remember if they use the word switch to or not. But either way, Furukawa literally was like, can't talk about that system right now, admitting it exists, by the way. Just so you know, in the first line, Furukawa just says we can't talk about it right now, which admits there's something to talk about. Anyways, I just want to throw that out there. I'm tired of the people saying the thing doesn't exist. Furukawa basically just acknowledged its existence by saying there is something to talk about that he can't talk about. Anyways, he also further responded to that question. I am not eating the zebra cake. But by talking about because the question has something to do with like what new innovation or how are they going to keep it fresh or whatever. And he just sort of went into a little bit of a spiel about how it's not it's not just about keeping the new or the next system. And I think it's what Furukawa technically called it fresh. But this is just a mantra with Nintendo in general, whether it's their software or anything else. And then he was asked, you know, well, hey, how long are you going to support Nintendo Switch for? And he just said, we will have new games for Nintendo Switch through fiscal year of March 2025. I want to point out that it was never said that that would be the end. And some people are rammed with it being the end of Switch, which now it was never said the interesting point in the wording, though. Yeah, also, it was never even said. Yeah. The interesting point in the way he worded that, though. And I think this is why people kind of feel like, oh, it's going to end then. I mean, there'll probably still be some games from Nintendo at some ports or something. But I kept I kept thinking about it. I looked back at prior interviews when he was asked about future Switch support and he always said, we will be supporting Switch for years to come. He didn't do that this time. He specifically gave through next fiscal year, basically, which is very interesting, because it also makes me wonder. Because we're under the presumption, switch choose coming out next year. So it makes me wonder that if switch to is coming next year, if Nintendo has been even thinking about what support for switch looks like after next fiscal year yet, if they've even put that on the agenda, because they're so focused on we got to get the current slate. And then we have to get obviously the system launched and like that's like the big focus internally. And right now at this time, they're not really even thinking beyond March of next year or March of twenty twenty five, the next fiscal year for switch, now that there won't be more. But like the fact that he specifically gave a date when he's never done that in the past, I found that to be at least noteworthy to suggest that they're obviously focused on something else better than future years of switch, which, by the way, we already knew the people that acted like this was like a big deal. Oh, man, they're going to support switch in this fiscal year. We already knew it because they said that we just mentioned HD comes out in summer, which would be next fiscal year. Oh, the thousand year door is twenty twenty four. Yeah, we don't know. We can't it's going to form. It ain't going up for April. Yeah, we presume. But but but technically, I can't be like, oh, that's definitively. I don't know. But we do know one game they said is coming summer next year, which is the next fiscal year. I already I'm percent thousand year doors coming out April or later. Oh, yeah, probably. Yeah. But again, I even in my video, I only really brought it because I'm like, hey, they technically gave us a time frame for it. That time frame already landed in the next fiscal year. So we already knew they were supporting it in the next fiscal year. It was just interesting that he wouldn't go beyond that. And the interview went in the past. He's always said, you know, for years to come. So I it's not, by the way, again, as Andres said, this isn't saying there won't be more ports and remasters and other games coming to switch past. It's just it's interesting that it doesn't really seem to be thinking about that right now. So I don't know. What do you think? This is very this is my take my perspective. You know what? Before I throw it to you, Eric, what do you think? I get you've been talking too much. Yeah, I know. That's why I feel like it's you out of the way now. Yeah, I can shut you up. Yeah. I support that. I don't know. I got nothing really. I mean, it won't know you're talking a lot. Right. Let's get right. Calm down. So let me let me maybe phrase it to you this way. Do you think when he was talking about the future of Switch and how long, you know, the support is going to go and, you know, at least till March of twenty twenty five, do you think that was just to indicate? Hey, we have something coming. Or do you think it's possibly just irrelevant? I don't think it matters much. He just I mean, I know you want the system already. I mean, I mean, I wanted it yesterday. But, you know, I don't know if it necessarily. You can read into it. And I can see how people are reading into it. That, yeah, the it is an indication that, yeah, the new systems coming out next year. But I think it's more of the I can't talk about the next system type thing. Yeah, that's more of the indicator. That was a very interesting, like, as specifically about it. And he's like, look, I can't talk about that right now. I'm like, well, you know, there's something. Yeah. So there's something to talk about. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Not like we don't know, but it's like, it's like, OK, I'm well aware all of you guys know, but I can't really say anything. So I mean, to an extent, though, sometimes with what Nintendo says, I mean, we're all expecting it to for sure, you know, their their plans right now they have, I think, like you said, they're there for sure. Through 2024 is what they have their plans, whether they continue their support past, you know. Oh, Jesus Christ. Cool. We'll have some fun in the chat. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. What am I? Where am I going with this? Well, I haven't even thought. Yeah. He wasn't prepared to talk on this ever. No, no, no. He was sent the topics two hours early here, right? Yeah, because, you know, I'm looking at them. Yeah, I don't even think you read them. No, I didn't because that doesn't work. The whole time I actually had a busy day today. The whole time you weren't at my house for a few hours before the show. Which I actually had to game this week. I wasn't going to be the stupid loser who doesn't game again. Again, you bastard. That was me. No, I said again, but I've had weeks to have a game. Yeah, but that it's more normal for me. I did try out a new accessory. Oh, there you go. But I think it says more of more to the fact that they have their plans out through 2025. It doesn't mean that they won't extend it past March of 2025. It's just that this is what they have so far for the switch. And they haven't really thought past that yet, maybe. So because they because they may have a new system coming out. But yeah, it's more of a this is what we have right now. Currently on slate. This may change. Obviously, it's Nintendo. Anything they say is subject to change. So it's yeah, so that's kind of more where it's at. Yeah, my biggest takeaway from the news is that it's something I expected, but it's confirmation to me that Switch is going to be supported at least somewhat beyond Switch two, which wasn't written in stone. It just seemed really likely because we've seen a lot of the Nintendo systems die out before the next system comes. And what we're seeing here is assuming Switch two does come out in 2024, which is I'm going to say pretty much a foregone conclusion. But obviously, we don't know for sure. But we know that Switch two is going to be supported until at least March twenty twenty five. But do we? Because he said fiscal year ending March twenty twenty five. If they don't announce any more games and thousand year doors, the last one that dropped, they could drop that before switch two comes out. And then there isn't actually support into switch two. Because remember, he said fiscal year. He didn't say we're going to have a new game like coming out in March. No, he said fiscal year. Yeah, fiscal year ends March twenty twenty five. Yeah. Well, so but if switch two comes out in that same fiscal year, there's no guarantee that there's actual other switch games releasing into switch two, because they can release all the games before switch two. Are you saying that technically he wouldn't have lied if the only two switch games we get are Paper Mar and Luigi's Mansion? Well, we already know he didn't lie because we have Luigi's Mansion next summer that already makes the truth. I guess what you're you're you're suggesting is that one or two games counts of support throughout the entire fiscal year. He just said there will be games for Nintendo Switch in that fiscal year. That's all he said. He didn't say how many he didn't say if you spread out throughout. But you know, I'm just saying, yeah, I'm saying, though, if you look at his words, he never said that they're going to keep releasing games all throughout that fiscal year, just that there will be games. I'm just I know it's a little bit of a devil's advocate. Take that. I agree with you. There's going to be some games that come out after Nintendo Switch, too. I'm just like, I don't want I want to make sure we're clear that for Akawa didn't actually say specifically there would be games coming out in March of twenty twenty five. That's all the article. Yeah, that's all. Yeah, I can grab it quickly over here, too. It's on the one that actually has the quotes. Sure. Some of them don't don't have the quotes. Read them or beat them. Yeah, I'll grab them quick. And I was going to be like, oh, I can use you to translate. Then I realized that, like, it's in Portuguese. Yeah, Portuguese is not Spanish. It's not Spanish now. No. Oh, I got to find the other thing. Oh, it's I could still roughly understand. But Portuguese actually translates. I found in Google Translate really cleanly. So it's not too bad. The Spanish translates pretty well, too. Um, I got to remember what day was that? What day was this news? Oh, here it is. I think it wasn't long ago. This it was October 1st. I got it. Um, what was it? October? Yeah, October 2nd. Yes. So here's what he said. Can the switches life cycle be extended further? This was the question. Eric, our response. We are still working on Nintendo Switch software for the fiscal year ending March twenty twenty five. The momentum will be sustained to continue to expand switch business in the fiscal year ending March twenty twenty four. We will keep up the Zelda momentum and move into the holiday sales season in terms of hardware. We will maximize demand not only for new purchases, but also for second units of replacements. So as he said, we're still working on Nintendo switch software for fiscal year ending March twenty twenty five, which technically we already knew was true because we just matching comes out next fiscal year. Yeah. Um. He didn't say games through that fiscal year just that there would be support for it in that fiscal year. I don't want to put I don't want to put words into his mouth. So I guess if Nintendo were to not come out with any other games beyond Thousand Year Door in Luigi's Mansion and we took him to court, he'd be like, hey, this is what I said. I didn't lie. You'd be right. But I think the implication is that there is going to be more than just those two games coming out for a switch in the in the next fiscal year. Well, OK, and to clarify, people, we're talking about Nintendo published, not like. Yeah, we're talking. Exactly. There's going to be games in general coming out, obviously. Well, you don't know that. Yeah. Indie games are not going to come out. I mean, well, that's what the point you're making is basically the point you're making. The well, no, no, no, no, because indie games weren't asked about their support directly to Nintendo. No, what I'm saying is, is that making the assumption that there is going to be games when the developers there are already in the game for a switch. There are already indie games announced for switch into twenty twenty five right now, like there are Nintendo games. There are no Nintendo games announced for twenty twenty five for fiscal year ending in March twenty twenty five. Yes, we're talking for fiscal year. Right now, we have two games announced for twenty twenty four that we presume are going to come out after April one. We know and what I'm saying is you presume there will be more third party games that have been that are not currently slated for that fiscal year. They're well, I don't presume because they're already announced. So I don't know what you're presuming there will be more. I'm just that he doesn't presume ever. No, don't presume. Never presume. I didn't say ever. Hold on. Don't ever to go. I've said I'm not presuming games that aren't announced yet. I know there's games already announced into twenty twenty five from third party companies that I already know that's already happened. There isn't technically games for Nintendo announced beyond next year for switch. Public, technically, there's no public because there are games. We are Nintendo published titles for switch. This is all semantic bullshit. We all know we know we're talking about. I mean, in the gotcha. In the gotchas where people take a clip. They throw it online. Well, we all know we're talking about it. Anyways, so I'm just clarifying. I understand that you're interpreting as there's going to be games coming out after switch two, and I do agree with that general premise. I'm just clarifying. Presuming because you just said one thing and now you're saying you're doing something. No, I am presuming there will be Well, it is a clarification of my opinion. Hey, hey, let me tell you clarify Let me let me tell you know you can clarify my opinion which involves a presumption Nate, let me tell you something no matter how Clarified you may be on whatever you say someone is going to misinterpret it In fact, I bet a lot of people will and they'll just completely slam to you and make a whole bunch of lies Because that's just what happens when you're a youtuber. Yeah, it does all the time. I'm a youtuber I think you just when you have a voice online. Yeah, if anyone pays attention to anything you say it's gonna happen But I guess my point was I just wanted to make sure that that we didn't indicate the furikawa was making a promise He didn't make he just promised there would be software next fiscal year. That's it. That's all he really said But now we can move beyond that little semantic stupid bullshit that we were just going over for no reason and go What what are your full thoughts on all of this from the whole? I can't talk about that specific topic right now, which is what he said when asked directly about switch to Then he was actually kind of interesting what he said because we are constantly researching developing hardware Then he says but for I have it up right now some other read the quotes But so the question let's go from the beginning the question was how will you apply the spirit of originality to the switch's successor? Burakawa said I can't talk about the specific topic We are constantly researching and developing hardware, but for the fiscal year ending March 2024 our focus is on expanding the switch business And the biggest obstacle at any time not just limited to the next console is knowing whether we can deliver something that customers really want Which I find interesting because everyone talks like they the question was originality You know gimmicks right what's gonna be that new thing that's gonna make us stand out And he's just like we're worried about delivering what customers want I find that Fascinating Cuz it could indicate maybe there is no major gimmick for this next system because they realize cuz that's not what customers want Find that interesting. I've never seen him say I feel like they have something hidden up their sleeve about this Well, there's always something hidden up their sleeve. Yeah I'm excited about it though. I think it's all right Hey, there is that mention of Zelda. We will keep the Zelda momentum. What do you mean? Yeah, the way we initially interpreted that was okay, they're gonna do things to keep tears of the kingdom selling throughout the holidays Yeah, yeah, and I capitalized on our movie popularity and just just kind of stay strong keep relevant Dude watch them bundle Mario Wonder and the Mario movie together. I can see them doing that this holiday at some stores Some stores might just do it themselves. That's kind of wild But maybe I I really do think a Zelda remake could be announced Don't do this to win in the next two years. Oh Well, then that's I mean, yeah, there's gonna be one announced in the next two years. Come on a remake. Oh, yes Yeah 3d Zelda Ocarina of time 3d. I agree. Yes I think it's technically considered a remaster, but I'm Gonna have Ocarina time 4k Let's go No, I so you think a 3d Zelda is gonna get a full from the ground up remake a 3d Zelda I want it up to it. So the oh, well, the only what are the real options on the only real options are acne time of a George's mask You think when waker would need a from the ground You play would make her a sheet Yeah, you think That's still in the still in the bank for the support the HD. Yeah Spoiler I'm making I'm gonna make a video about this this week, but oh, I can't wait, but Basically, I think it comes down to either Ocarina time or Twilight Princess. Okay, so Yeah Twilight Princess is an interesting one because I could see where obviously it hasn't aged as well because it's more realistic art style but I Kind of think Nintendo would just bring over the HD version. They've already yeah, again That's the same thing as one waker and I don't know. I think win makers were timeless Needs to be built up more and Ocarina and judging how mixed the fan base is on Twilight Princess today Like current day. I just that one doesn't make sense to me I would say I like Princess before Bethel a lot was the best-selling Zelda. Yeah, it was yeah So if there's a game from that perspective to remake it's that one I would say the highest Metacritic ready game of all time that people scroll by all the time and Okay, and I want to be clear the difference in sales between the original Ocarina of time and Twilight Princess isn't like massive It's not a gulf No, the original Ocarina time sold over 7 million So just to be clear just so I want to make myself clear, right? I'm not saying that Twilight Princess remake is more likely than Ocarina time remake Yeah, I'm simply saying that one of those 3D Zelda's yeah Yeah, those are the two not to be one of those two watch it be Majora's Mask before all I just want you to make well, you can't do that before Ocarina of time That's why because otherwise I would agree that Majora's Mask makes more sense than Twilight Princess Yeah, but so I mean yes, ultimately I do think Ocarina time I hope you're right and that it's like Ocarina of time fully remade in the ground up everyone's been wanting that since it came out I would go as far as to say that there's no chance about being one way or Twilight Princess The only choice would be when you said remake I was thinking like Grezzo would be doing something that did it with Link's Awakening to another game But again, that's just my opinion Yeah, I don't I don't mean a top-down Zelda. I mean I think the top-down Zelda is coming I hope it's a brand new one, but I don't know But what if it takes place in the Breath of the Wild universe when it's top-down? That'd be crazy They have a breath of the watt they used The original is a little bit kind of prototypes and mechanics for Breath of the Wild like building a top-down Zelda with that in mind would be really cool That's can't tell when Zelda comes up it derails everything Yeah, I think I kind of miss talking about so that thing we live in Oh, I know we need some we need some zelda Our spoiler cast to there's so much we didn't get into in the first one We definitely do a second. What if though with the Zelda momentum they actually with the writer strike now concluding and say after not after now like in talks and Hopefully going well What if they come out with the Zelda movie Shut up, I don't Nasty, I know Eric he told me before the show. He's like I like my Zelda like I like my women That's where you're talking about. He goes top-down, baby Nice That was that was a good one That's valid Turning it back around I guess What was so I'm just wondering like your full thoughts on everything for how I said here in relation to what it could mean for for switch To or do you think it doesn't really mean much? It's just it's coming and this just sort of indicator. It is coming. I Mean, I think it is one of those things where he has a tippy-toe around The situation I can't talk about that specific topic, but we're always making new hubbers. Okay, yeah There was no deconformation of hardware in the next year, which I think is good is interesting, right? Because he can't he has done that before the only he he what he did though is he said is he sort of I Don't want to say he confirmed that his wording was very specific, but it sounded like it's not coming out this fiscal year. He made it Like yeah, he made it really sound like sure. Yeah, that that that is true I think that's the thing I sort of glossed over because I've already been making that assumption for a while But again, and again technically if you read his words, he didn't say it couldn't come out But he said that this is what we're focused on for this fiscal year through March of 2024 And that that's probably true that also doesn't mean they can't announce it before that But for the actual sales and what they're pushing like yeah, it's gonna be current switch this fiscal year I mean I and I know you disagree with this take, right? But once Nintendo outlined their January through March lineup of their published titles to me that that's that said Most likely it's not coming. It's not happening during this period of time So I was like there is no certainty, right? But I want to ask you your your your thought on this quick, too When I when I heard this about the focus on this and I've even gone back to like Oh, they're ending support for we use radius in April It made me think about April really hard because the fiscal year ends in March But we don't hear about the financial results from that usually until about a month later So the end of April or the very beginning of the next month And I think Nintendo is going to want the new system announced before they announced the final year results Because they're gonna want to show something to create momentum for the new year So I'm starting to think that maybe April Is when they finally unveiled the system Instead of it being in the first three months They clear the first three games They clear the peach game or yeah, the Princess Peach Showtime game that that's cleared out the fiscal year just wrapped up They didn't do anything to hurt, you know When I go hurt switch sales during the fiscal year new year is here new fiscal year for them announced the system and So they can be able to handle those questions are never going to get from investors anyways when the financial results come in and they're like Oh, we didn't quite hit the 15 million like I warned you. We might not hit Oh, we maybe we didn't quite hit our targets and it's like but it doesn't matter because look at what's coming and look at the social Media hype around it and look at the views on this trailer I guess um April just seems like a random time because if we don't get any news until April That's gonna be weird in my opinion. I don't think he's suggesting that Well, I mean Right like it would still be announced in the next few months like I Have you are I latest? I Was suggesting announced in April. Oh So you think it's gonna launch right when they announce it if it no no no no no I think announced in April release in like September. Oh, I literally thought you're talking about April release No, no, no I guess there's a few things that I have Some hesitance with that one we've been hearing about this March time like what is that March? Like what is that? But remember Nate the hate said that could just indicate an internal thing like third parties have to confirm Right March from March and maybe that's Had that condition to Kate Yeah, you're right Okay, Dill the pickle that's calm down Those that heard it switched you would be announced. Oh, no, you miss bud Dill Maybe they just meant the maybe just Them was we heard about games calm thought you were two inch That's my formal name on my license. All right. Sorry. We're interrupting that just too much I actually really want to know your thoughts on this because this just popped in my head And I'm like, I don't know if I'm committed to this But I don't know It sounded like a good idea on my head, but my ideas are sometimes suck so Very it's interesting. Hey, I mean, they've never really announced the system in April. I don't think Looking back in their history. I don't think they were really announced one in April So it's I don't know. I mean it's after the fiscal year. It's the beginning of the new fiscal year Yeah, so the other the other thing I was gonna say was that If the Nintendo doesn't announce a switch to all the way until April then They're gonna have to have some type of direct before then you were talking about direct I would assume a general direct If there's no just switch announced switch to announce and by that point and there's gonna be games announced for April main June So like what if they matter when you you showcase the system? There's gonna be something coming out What I think I'm okay, so yeah, but they can announce like they can announce a hey Luigi's Mantis coming out in June and there is no April game But what I find interesting is what if for me? Because they I say this because they sorted it. Don't know they didn't sort of they did this with switch What if they we get to February everyone's expecting a direct right like okay, they gotta have a director I haven't read instead they drop an announcement tune in April blah blah blah for the reveal of what's next for Nintendo that did this with a switch by the way They gave us months morning that they were dropping the announcement in October So what if they they said oh, that's what this instead of it being a February director It's like none of we're not gonna have one right now, but it's we have a reason Because we're gonna give you the date to see what's next Now again, they had a bigger reason to do that with switching they do now because we you bomb But I'm just throwing that out there is like, you know what maybe they don't have to have a February direct I I guess or something else that I'm kind that I'm concerned It also just be a partner showcase. Yeah, what I'm concerned about though Is it's Nintendo going a long time without giving us anything exciting? Part of showcasing the indie world, baby, and that's not that's not what I meant Yeah, what what if there's Hollow Knight in there that might make people happy Hollow Knight release date. I am sure that will make some people happy some people The chat going nuts because I just won a Hollow Knight release day. It's all I really care about I Just I don't I think that they would do something to kind of keep us excited Because with the last two directs, I don't think I mean some people actually were really big on the June direct I wasn't Showtime direct Sure, I'm just one options out there like here's the thing you said they got to give us something to be excited about You don't think if they announced in February and April reveal for a new system people wouldn't be excited Yeah be excited I Think they'd be more excited than just a general direct for more switch games I'm hoping the game warrants has more than a bayonet origins announcement Yeah, I think obviously your hope is that they tease the system before the February direct So then they can have a direct with both. I I I'm Yeah, I want so I want something I want something. I don't need anything big. I just it would be nice to At least like acknowledge acknowledge so we at least have a little bit of Some excitement going like even if like something is simple. It's not simple But like what if we get a prime four teaser at the game awards? It's not even saying what this is They don't even they just you know something actually, you know, obviously this is not probably not what we do Because this would be unprecedented as far as I'm concerned when it comes to Nintendo, but imagine they Put out a Metro Prime 4 trailer at the game awards No, keep going I think we're thinking the same thing right now go they put it They put it they put out a 90-second trailer right very comparable to the first trailer for for tears of the kingdom When it was just called the sequel, right? Yeah, and at the very end coming to Nintendo switch and The next generation of Nintendo switch 2024 like something like that Be very cool. They wouldn't have to they wouldn't even have to reveal the name. They wouldn't have to necessarily reveal like That's it That's it. We're on the we're on the same wave like it's except I was gonna say instead of I'm saying next generation of Nintendo switch They just go coming coming to switch and silhouette question mark done 2024 and everyone's like Ah What? Did they just show the silhouette of the new system? Well, and I think I think that would make more sense I mean in terms of in terms of doing a tease like a tease like like first of all both Nate and I Don't think it's happening. No No, I'm not sure Prime 4 is gonna be there at all, but it would be nice I think something's gonna be there I will say this when Nintendo knows they're gonna win a major award. They tend to bring something So that'd be the Zelda remake Here we go You know what I would love it. So let's go. I I don't think it's all the remakes coming this hypothetical is all the remake I don't think it would come out next year. Sure. We got too much other stuff like I think they'll save that but I Just think that's Nintendo has to give us something I Think I will say this I do think that Nintendo is gonna have something at the game awards I do agree with that even if it's the trailer for a game. It's already out. It'll be a new trailer or a game It's already being teased. You can be a new trailer for prime for Hey, I'll say this if they want to tease our next movie. It's a great audience to do it with Yeah, they do a lot of video game movies there. Well has them have we got any news of the? The strike is that that over yet? Eric was just talking about the right. I think they're what the writer strikes over and they actually got a killer deal I'm really glad they held out and sag is talk. They're in talks right now. Yeah, the after Yeah, it's not as far along obviously, but it's I would say by the end of the year that I think both strikes will be done The writer one's already over the actors one is probably gonna be over. I'd say in a couple months So that's the way it's gonna look it So I think that's actually good because I also think a lot of these places that have all the movies and shows No, we only have a finite amount pre done. We need to get people back to work and that's so So I in the pets of writers game in I mean the actors are gonna give in they're just gonna give in when they get a Comfortable deal and I think they can now point to the writers deal and go see that Yeah Zelda movie announcement at the game awards Sure, what's yours the kingdom getting a having a nomination? Yeah, they don't even have to guys they wouldn't have to they don't have to be nothing done for they could just say Legend of Zelda movie now in production. I'm getting hard just thinking about it That's all they would have to do. They would just have to tease that it's even being made You know, I would love for them to tease me What if they pull a Miles Morales for tears is the kingdom and that's why there's that's the real reason There's no DLC for tears of the kingdom Like it's a stand-alone. I would have said that if they were doing something like that What would they have said? The invocation I would have commented until they were ready to drop that information Okay, for Eric and everyone the audience clarify what you mean by the Miles Morales reference Cuz I don't know if all the Nintendo fans get it. I'm talking about a switch to Exclusive standalone Title that's built off the tears of the kingdom engine but Miles Morales wasn't exclusive That would be the difference Okay, but it's the best They didn't Miles Morales wasn't on ps4 was it? I think we just had this to me last week and it was I'm not trying to have it man. I just I genuinely can't remember the main point is that they made another game Yes, it's on ps4. Yep They made another game that was part of the launch window for the next system that was based off a bigger game It was just kind of it was just almost like an episodic piece. It was a six-hour long game, too Yeah, like what if he did something it was fun. It's perfect for me I mean, I think in the case of a something like this down for cheers He'd be bigger right because spider-man sounds bigger than zelda in terms of like gameplay length But like for maybe more like a 10 to 20 hour experience or what have you but you know that I think If I just think there's got to be something zelda kind of like early on what on switch to kind of like what Bowser's fury was Yeah Fury-esque is another good way, but that came packaged with a game already, but something like that Right, so you don't think a 3d Mario is good enough We're talking about Because he's saying we need something zelda and launch is basically what he's saying. Oh Okay, okay. Well, I think three more is not good enough So I think it might be cool to announce Odyssey in Breath of the Wild I think switch would have been just as successful Yeah, I mean, I think it would have been fine You know Odyssey so incredible Yeah, I'll show you that first year No, it would have been fine. I guess I'm also just thinking about things that could show off at the game words, of course If it was at the game words, I think it would then imply You're thinking something related to zelda because it's like yeah year. Yeah, yeah But I the idea just kind of came up and maybe it would still come to switch, right? I would it would it be DLC technically What year do you think they announced or do what year do you think They will end up coming out with the next animal crossing I think they're gonna want a big install base wait for a few more years and then when those people start getting that itch again Drop it. Well, what do you think that perfect time is? Oh All right, I didn't wait. What'd you say night? I was gonna say 2028. He said 20. Okay, and Andres, would you say 2026? Um, I like 2026 more I want to point out We're not gonna have a major zelda for a long time 2028 I think they both come out same year I think zelda comes out 2028 Yeah, I think it's good. Those are there two most evergreen selling games on the switch basically besides Oh, we have to wait. We have to wait. I said besides Hey, keep it clean Because I I'm saying it's gonna be a shorter wait to the next zelda game than it was the two No, I don't think they would put two games like that in the same year. Are you talking about? Like I don't think they would drop two Like evergreen like two of the best selling games on what was the wild mario odyssey mario karp. We're all same year Tears of the kingdom mario wonder Yeah, mario wonders gonna sell huge Yeah, I just I don't know. I just Mario wonders not gonna sell as well as animal crossing It's different. I mean I think games like I mean tears of the kingdom. I'm not gonna sell as well as animal crossing I'm first of all, I think animal crossing near her residence is You very unique situation because of the pandemic. There's no guarantee That's gonna that the next animal crossing to sell over 30 million. I think it's all over 20 If the system I think that changed the franchise forever Well, you could I'd argue that the one before it newly when it cracked 11 million They were they were they were already there was already Yeah, it was already trending. Yeah, obviously Animal crossing. I think that did change it forever and I think this changed it forever again Maybe because I mean tears of the kingdom is showing very similar levels of I think it just does I think One of the next mario crosses It came out and all of a sudden the floor for animal crossing games was up here and then new horizons came out I think the floor is now up here. Yeah, I mean, I literally just said I think it's gonna sell at least 20 million I want to clarify I I think 3d mario's prop is a is at least a launch. It's a it's a year one switch through title. Maybe it's a launch day title Uh, it feels like it has to be man. We haven't had a 3d mario since 2017 It would have way longer to go. They may want to they may want to pivot The reason why I suggest 3d mario might not be a day one switch through title Is just because they may want to use it as like the big holiday title that's a switch to Mario Kart I don't think mario kart's coming out that soon But we haven't had a mario kart new mario kart since 2014 I I know that's called tour you can count obviously the home There's a lot of there's a lot of debate. We can debate that the details of that Um, I think I think mario kart switch two is coming out 2025 but I think it can come out in the first six months. Maybe like I think it's coming out soon. I just don't think it's That's what I'm saying that like I I think if I So my my my thought of mario kart and I'm just basing this on nintendo looking at what happened with switch You want and actually they did this with 3ds You want it out early in the life cycle because it is the evergreen of evergreen for them It sells every year one Yeah, you want it out basically as soon as you can get it out So my thought process is if it launches in september, you could literally have 3d mario then and then for in november You could have mario kart, which is just three months later I don't I don't think it's that like far fetched and they love mario kart for holidays mario kart does incredible during holiday seasons So like I I could see where they would be like no, that's that's the key We hit mario we hit mario hard again And in between there'll be something else I don't know if it's metro prime four or what other game they slot in between them I have no idea or it would be good. Yeah, because it could be an october game or something Especially if it has online multiplayer Because they dreaded really well in october so you like always drop metro prime four in october That could be really well and online multiplayer too. So you got an online multiplayer game We're making the leaves Yeah, we're making leaves, but I just I think they're gonna have a huge strong lineup like they did in year one for switch and I think that You know, you could do Mario with a mario. Why do you think they're gonna wait five years to release a new animal crossing? I uh, I don't think that four years. I guess that team is currently working on animal crossing right now That's why I don't think they're currently working on it You gotta remember that team also worked on other franchises That I think they're currently working on and we'll have out in the first year of the platform And then they'll start working on the next animal crossing. Well, didn't they put out platoon three? They did is that the same team? I can't remember I believe it is teams. I know the mario car team also works on other stuff too. Um, I can't remember which team Yeah, I think it's platoon Works on mario car and arms. I think the platoon team is the same team behind Animal crossing. Yeah, I think so. I think you're right because here's the thing I know that you can say it's platoon three came out. So now oh now they're working on uh, and also They're getting me more they they're different like Like It's not always that clear cut. It's not like oh this one studio is working on this one. Yeah at nintendo It's definitely never that clear cut. They're always crossing their teams over and stuff There's only like a few specific teams that we know like this is all they do like the zelda team They only make zelda. They don't do anything else. They're just zelda um But there's very few teams at nintendo that are literally this is just all we do But the reason for that is because zelda takes such a large sheen in so many years to make So like it's not it's not because they're not working. They're already working on the next one Like it's not because they're not doing anything. So gel. I just confirmed nintendo e pd group five group five Made splatoon two and three years later came with animal crossing new horizons early You know, yeah about three years later and then in My thought is that they're going to be working on a 4k port of splatoon three with an extra dlc pack For year one, there's no way that's the only thing they come out with between 2022 and 20 28 Um, it was eight years between the animal crossing games. What are we talking about? Uh, now to be count animal crossing happy home designer, which they did develop The Mazakhon amiibo festival while we're at it too, huh? How about animal crossing plaza? There we go. Yeah, let's just count all those little spinoffs. Okay, fine Yeah, if you're gonna say there's going to be some spinoff animal crossing being sure No, I'm just saying maybe three years later. You're a new one. Listen. Listen. I know what you're saying It would make sense that they just got done with splatoon three and they're finishing up the dlc for that Every two or three. Oh, well, this is what I'm saying Can I screen share? Yeah I'm trying to figure out where you're getting eight years in between animal crossing games when an animal crossing new leaf come out 2013 leaf 2016 And then new horizons is 2020. That's four Seven it's not eight new leaf was 2016. Yeah No, all right. Hold on. Let me just show you Let me show you a list That was the updated version. All right. Let me wait. Let me know when this is Sorry, that was just welcome on me, bro. Yeah, thank you. I was like, there's no way it was in 2016 Is this are you guys watching this yet or no? No, I'll add it right now. Here we go Okay So ebd group five, right? Yeah, so two and three animal crossing new horizons three or two year gaps But then so two and two is three years beforehand, right? Yeah, and then happy home designer in 2015 We sports club animal crossing plots. Yes. These are like smaller animal crossing offerings. I get that but yeah, new leaf was a 2012 game Yeah, that is until the new one. Yeah Doesn't he? Yeah, I mean they were they were working on that up through When uh, the welcome to mebo when they added amoeba support and added all that stuff to the game And someone working on that now it's 2016 But I mean just but I guess the main point though is you look at They're the release of games like they've released significant games that nintendo land came on the same year All right, like they can more There's multiple teams within the within this group Within this ebd group, right? And so the point is is that I just think it's pretty I think expecting just a graphics update first for tune three between 2022 I said there could be some smaller games Is a is a bad is there could be smaller games well um They could have a nintendo game we're not making small games or into switch era. I don't think they're gonna make I think they're gonna just come out with bangers bro. I think animal crossing is coming out Maybe I mean maybe 2025 maybe they're gonna get it out real soon five years after new horizons isn't like A crazy crazy. No, it's not crazy. Not I think it would be possible. I'm sticking with 2028, but it's okay We don't know. We're just guessing But um, I just think that they're working on other stuff is what I'm trying to indicate that like animal crossing isn't the focus at the moment It will become a focus once the new system comes out, which then many three to four years to me Yeah, we we all we don't know what they're working on so they could be focusing on on the next animal crossing Because they know and for all we know they don't plan to port Splatoon three and so they want Splatoon four Here's something else. I want to throw out there. Okay Get that Japanese audience tears of the kingdom just released Splatoon three came out last year. Those are two huge games that are evergreen Uh, huge evergreen series that were really pivotal in the success of of switching the first year And neither are gonna be available at the beginning of switch to zero So I think of anything that places more emphasis on other big IP like animal crossing to come out earlier That's another reason why I think I suggest 2026, but I'm now kind of like talking like myself up to 2025. Yeah Yeah Yeah, I mean, who knows we don't really know, uh, but it's it's it's really thought process You know when we get into potential launch lineups and uh, that kind of stuff Uh, jake, what's your thoughts on any of this furikawa stuff and then we'll briefly touch on the The the weird dash weedle stuff Um for the furikawa stuff. I mean honestly, I I don't feel like I have any more to add to all the conversations and everything we've discussed already same old same old Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I was obviously talking to you guys about it But like I I pretty much had the same take you guys do Okay on the significance and everything like that. Um, it's all over It's all over world's ending. So for the last bit here. There there were some rumors for nash weedle Uh He claims the information comes out of tokyo game show and for those who don't know who nash weedle is It's all right. We don't cover him that often, especially in our podcast But uh, he was one that gained notoriety because he talked about metroid dread before metroid dread was revealed before we even knew It was a thing Um, he talked about it and said it was coming etc. Etc. Etc. Uh People have claimed Who are against him that he stole that rumor from somewhere else? Uh, Andres, have you done additional research into it because I don't I did with the youtuber they said did it Uh, I reached out to the youtuber and uh, he said that the information didn't come from him. So Well, how'd you phrase that question? Because I I said I said, hey, I'm just curious Did you have your own sources on this because your video came out the day after nash weedle stuff? And he said no, I just saw stuff on social media made a video So that would indicate that that social media stuff might have been nash weedle He just decided to talk about it because yeah, like he's like he was like The buzz the buzz may have been stirred Yeah, by that. He was talking about it like we do basically That was what I was indicating again. There was a language barrier. I haven't had the opportunity to do some extensive research on this yet um, so I don't want to say this but then it with significant confidence, um, but I Do have a bit of a sense and again I just I'm not even sure if I should say this but I I kind of get the sense that There are people That just want to shut him down And don't actually have any solid evidence to shut him down That doesn't mean what he's saying is legitimate No, I just haven't seen anything that does I will say yeah, there are um What this is a weird thing if you I don't know how much the you the general public here pays attention to the leak culture out there around video games Especially with nintendo there seems to be certain clicks that form among the fan base and anyone outside of that click See they always want to be like you're not real. That's not legit until it's something that's completely undeniable Like why is pioro now Worshiped like a god of leakers because the stuff he did is undeniable It's undeniable. He did it for two straight nintendo directs. It's undeniable at this point I don't get the sense. He's a part of any click Yeah, no, he doesn't seem to care right. He just he'll call out fake leakers all day Okay, but you never if there's any click. It's it's him and sylex hunter Yeah, sylex hunter and him and those two probably they probably have coffee like once a week and just They rarely they don't post on social media. It's like Who are the people that that he called out and said delete your account? Okay, jonathan bark and all of his obviously fake stuff was switched to and then called out New marco maro or whatever right saying that he's just Which most of us have already figured out that he's full of shit one all the stuff He said for the direct didn't even happen. So yeah, yeah, he's clearly full of shit But what's interesting is he never called on ash weedle Interesting No, I don't know that he's ever called a zippo not to be fair. He was only calling out people on twitter Nash weedle is on twitter So it's kind of interesting that there was no call out by puro that he's ash weedle is not in english No, and nash weedle wasn't doing leaks for a direct So there is that. Um Nash weedle Here's the thing we don't as as people that talk about news sometimes I mean andress sometimes I literally is what I talk about But the best we can do when we're talking about this stuff is look at the available information and be impartial on it I can't be like nash weedle's fake when I see nothing that proves that he's actually fake Just because some people want him to be I've never seen even see nate the hate speak bad about him I've never seen any of the other insiders speak bad about him It's just people who aren't insiders that for some reason don't want him to be real I don't know why I don't know what the agenda is. Maybe there's some controversy. He spun up in some Spanish forum or something that has people all mad about it. I don't know Portuguese sorry somewhere and whatever. I don't know But my thing with it is I can only look at the available information And he's been right on some stuff some very specific things in the past And I can't seem to source those things to anyone before him That's in another language too. Yeah, and that too is a language especially for me huge like I only know English Everything else is a language barrier for me. And so I'll talk things in Spanish. There's I speak Spanish, but my Spanish isn't perfect, but also if it's spain Spanish It's not the same as Latin American Spanish. Yeah And Entirely different language Had some roots, but it's you think it's Spanish, but then you're like, I can't understand what I'm reading Yeah, because I think Portuguese has its roots in Spanish, but then obviously went off on its own. Yeah, anyways So Just to preface all this. We don't know if any of this is real. We just can't disprove it But what's interesting is most of the stuff he said is stuff that you could probably assume anyways Uh, but it's cool because it's from tokyo game show supposedly and we were suspecting this week Yeah, it does feel like this week next week sometime this month We're gonna get something out of tokyo game show like we did at a gamescom What reporter is going to be the first one to break the story was video game chronicle last time Are they going to be the first one to break again? I don't know um, but what he put out there is basically some stuff that I think is Safe to assume but and kind of believable that may be depending on who his contact talk to could hear about As an example, you know His contact that he claims played the mario wonder demo Totally believable the mario wonder demo was there behind the scenes totally believable that was a thing Um, because they've been they've been bringing that demo everywhere behind the scenes Wasn't there in front of the scenes? I already was in front of the scenes. Yes There already has been in front of the scene stuff, but nintendo doesn't have a show floor presence There was there was some sort of talk with with devs about Stuff Yeah, yeah, there was some time and so the the inference was that some of the devs got to try out mario wonder while they were there um and Yeah, I sort of heard from one of the nintendo reps there that mario wonder is going to be a saga Which is just saying there's going to be more mario wonder games in the future Sort of like they would knew super mario bros sort of like they did with super mario When we had multiple of those So it's a pretty safe thing that if mario wonder is successful and we all presume it will be There'll be a mario wonder two three or whatever they want to call it um So that's not really like crazy to think about because that's what they've always done besides rolling mario, but Hey, we technically don't have that indicator and I guess the big indicator was there was a lot of ideas cut From the game that they're going to use in the future Uh, which makes sense We already heard an interview where they have like thousands of ideas for wonder flower stuff Obviously, they didn't all make it into the game um The other thing he said is that panic book panic button is now working on switch two ports um talked to a developer about hey, you know Are you guys like bringing your name to switch to developers like oh, we already got panic button working on it That was the okay cool Like the panic button ported a lot of major third party games to nintendo switch early in the switches life cycle even doom As an example So it would be believable that they could be one of the Port companies to have an early dev kit because they obviously had they obviously had a dev kit for switch So they can get doom over so Clearly they could be uh potentially one of the studios that could have a dev kit and then uh, what was the other thing he said, um Oh that he that some of the people there i'm presuming nintendo employees I mentioned that that you know, they've seen metroid prime 4 and that they were Uh planning the marketing stages behind the scenes which would I mean if you want to get technical Would sort of support what we heard earlier this year that the game was basically done So it would make a lot of sense that they're planning the marketing Does that mean they're going to reveal it game awards? Does that mean they're going to reveal it next year early next year? I had no idea But it would it would mean that the game is finished and so now they're just like Oh, how are we going to market this or are we going to do this map this all out? um Could be anything and then maybe the most interesting part was that xbox employees uh were at nintendo's thing and um, they really loved the system and they were surprised At how powerful it was and they're like do this thing's going to get everything Which I I found that to be That's your competition So like that that that's really interesting to hear the competition And by the way xbox has never been shy of praising nintendo's anthill But uh, it's very except for erin greeberg One of them to stop calling it a console behind the scenes, but you know what phil spencer said bunk that and kept doing it anyways uh It's interesting that um, that's maybe the most fascinating part is like hey if this is true It's kind of neat to see a a competitor be like hey This is awesome and also would show that nintendo and xbox operate completely different from sony The sony during the ftc versus microsoft thing was like yeah, we're not going to give you dev units and xbox is like why trade secrets oh okay Every xbox is a dev unit by the way every xbox series is a dev unit You don't like if you guys want a dev unit of xbox, let's go buy an xbox series x to have a dev unit You pay like 20 bucks to unlock it. That's it It's crazy. I think it's monthly though, right? Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember if it's monthly or not But either way the point is that it is that every xbox series x can be a dev unit So it's like they're not hiding the dev. Anyone can have it Um and nintendo obviously being in this in its way is buddy buddy with microsoft They're they're clearly going to give microsoft dev units. They have example minecraft is one of the best selling games on switch They're going to have a dev unit to make a switch to version of minecraft It's just going to happen. I don't think nintendo's worried that with ray tracing Yeah It could have ray tracing in hg in 4k. Maybe at 120 fps. Well, I don't know 120 Well, yeah, I don't know that dls s 3 point. It comes down to whether they even have a support for a 120 at all I don't even think they're gonna worry about 120, but maybe they will I have no idea the point is Are there any five games that do 120 fps? Yeah Okay I'm just saying have to have the option to 120 fps regardless of resolution. Oh, yeah tons Then you know, why can't they do it on switch too? They could I just don't think they will They might it is a less powerful system. So But sort of but sort of one time. We have 19 dollars Okay, there you go. So let's go dead mode one time fee. All right Uh, that doesn't include by publishing fees and everything else that you have to have to pay to actually publish something I think you um, you need hdmi 2.1 to hit 120. Yeah on it Yeah, it's can't just be 2.0 uh, what's interesting too is, um Xbox another reason they would obviously get dev units from nintendo nintendo and give a shit is they have a 10 year contract for call of duty so like Soon as that shit's finalized in october at division blizzard is going to get dev units to start working on Next year's call of duty for it. So why can't they already be working on it? They might already be they the the fact that this deal is probably like a for sure done thing I'm they might already have dev units for next year's like is it not possible that they were working on it before the deal anyway Um, I don't know because at division that never committed to switch and I know they the bobby contract said I meant it was a mistake But and obviously they were in talks as of like a while ago from the emails. I will say this When it comes out of bobby contract's mouth, I trust nothing So I trust I trust the contract signed And I will believe it once the deals finalized, you know what I mean? You're probably right But also once the deals finalized there's no reason not to have dev units It also won't won't take them that long to get it running Yeah, well, we don't actually know that we have no idea. We're not developers well We think it won't From what we heard to understand though, it's completely different technology than what Like maybe porting isn't as simple as we make it out to be because it is not amd This technology different. It's a different processor. It's not intel or amd. It's arm So I don't want to like presume. It's just throw the game at it and it just works Man, I'm just getting excited. Yeah, I know I'm just thinking about playing. I'm thinking about playing a new monster We didn't know each other Heading into switch existing Nope I had no online friends Heading into switch existing I had hope And now I got I got the fam here. This is like the the little the little podcast family Heading into launch of a new system and that's exciting to me Well, we'll see what happens. It might be more than a year away Of course, I don't know if I'm that excited because apparently there's only three of us playing mario wonder, so I By the way guys, when we do when we when we play mario wonder in the podcast We will have topics we're talking about we're just sort of playing it while we're doing it and having fun We're probably talking about because we have a podcast on the 19th and then it comes out the next day I know it's a week later By that point the next day You said it comes on the next day. So it's a week later So we will be we will be back on a week or Yeah, you're right. Yeah, it'll be the following week Unless we do the podcast all the way until midnight You don't even have to go till midnight digital versions available like nine Is it? Yeah, something like that technically we could do it on a yeah, it would be towards the end of the show It would be like towards right now Yeah, which is yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah I thought I don't know I'll have to double check for my next digital because they go by they go by eastern because the last time zone this switch Or no, it's the first I was gonna be like it like the last reverse it. I was gonna say it's only like nine o'clock right now on the other coast Yeah Yeah, I don't know we'll figure all that out I gotta figure that out soon next year because I'm trying to think we do have a podcast on the 19th technically With rgt coming on so we probably won't do it on that show Probably on the next one then but that's okay That also gives us time to familiarize ourselves with the game before we play And then you know what that could be that could be our mario wonder impression episode And we can literally play the game. We'll give it impressions. Actually, we're going to see this I can't bonk anyone's head. This is trash I'm just saying that uh That actually that actually will make sense then because we could do an impression episode No, and we're all playing the game and then we can play it together while we talk about it That makes sense actually so cool. That actually works out Rgt yeah, so I'm allowed to swear who said you can't fucking swear Wait, we're allowed to swear Yeah, what the fuck what the hell it's just more funny when I go kids horse cock Big fat load of cum I'm saying big fat load of cum in horse cock and you're getting mad Do you see a bunch of bullocks? It's a bunch of bullocks Somewhere our wires got crossed Somewhere somewhere All right Well, I think that's going to do it for episode 40 of the nintendo prime podcast I do one of the all of you guys for being here you can get the podcast anywhere podcasts are heard of Actually being getting the audio versions up so this one will be going up on time. So that's really cool Uh before we got out though, we got to go around the room Where can people find you? Eric we'll start with you quick because you're the simplest one right here right here Every wednesday except October 19th, which is a thursday because we're moving it for uh to get rgt on because like did apparently AEW wrestling is more important than us revolves around shone. Yeah, it revolves on shone apparently so it's gonna be I think it'd be some fireworks on that show. You know what's funny I don't know what to say. It's not right now. You know the one request he had for the episode The andress restart is there And I don't He wanted on just reasons like I've never talked to him. Please tell me he's gonna be on like dude. He's on every week I don't know what he wants to talk to you about but I Remember he's not a nintendo youtuber. I don't know what I don't know what he's doing Dude you and him I might need popcorn for you and him if something happens I don't know what's gonna go on dude. He does for those who don't know rgt 85 never had a conversation with him He's like a no holds bar kind of guy. It's just it's just gonna go It's gonna go where it's gonna go and you just go with the flow Yeah, some famous I have no idea what the top is we're gonna be yet. It's too far away. But anyways, um Jake, where could they find you mr. Harry Cox? Thank you. I was gonna say that's not my name, but you got it. Um, you can find me on twitter and youtube as Jake randall, which I just typed in my chat. I don't know why I use that name instead of Harry Cox or keep it clean guy or to destroyer, but I just made a YouTube might not allow those those usernames. I could be like Why would they not allow a that's a real name? Yeah, youtube two inch destroyer that doesn't mean anything bad I mean interpretations In yeah, well that's anything people could interpret Jake Randall to be bad or nintendo prime, you know I'm not so sure that they would interpret those to be bad, but But yeah, anyways, that's where you can find me guys much love Awesome industry star. Where can they find you? Andres restart. That's where you find me That's right. Just type it in it. Literally. It's all his stuff that shows up no matter where you search it. Yep Yep, there's no scandals no scams Just me It's a real clean Watches my cast there's no swearing on his show really I might say crap. Yeah. Oh, no That's right. No, they'll say oh, no, he's crossing the line We keep it clean here. There's no swear. Yeah, I mean he's like are you I would say I'll just restart shadows family friendly. So you guys I don't I do not I do not market myself as family friendly No, you do not but you don't swear and you don't talk sex and you don't really you just talk videos Have you've ever seen? Wait a second. Has there been a drunk stream? I've missed because I would love to see an industry star drunk stream just once I think it's you you I thought about doing the drunk thing, but it's something you already do. So I'm like, eh No, no, here's the thing. You don't do it. You don't do it. See mine's every night stream I'll do shots for super chats You don't worry about that You just make it a special thing that only happens like once a month Let's let's get let's make Andre because you know what's gonna happen. I'll show up I'll show I'll tell you what you'll make extra money off me that month. I should play Every time I lose I take a shot Yeah, those games go so fast too I'll get the stream will end in 30 minutes Dude, let me help you see the reason Say it you could you could do shots for super chance though because that also helps drive a little revenue too So and if you do it once a month, it's more special So those nights might become like really big nights They can really help boost your income too Because you know what I'll tell you what I might throw a hundo at you the first time because like I got to see it I gotta see what happens even my back pocket like oh revenue short this month trying to get blasts The thing is I'll waste so much alcohol I'll waste so much alcohol that it'll be a loss What how would it be a loss? Yeah If you're if you're doing dollar shots, I guess but Do you mind like five 10 20 50 in hundo like it's impossible to lose money then What are those um TikTok videos where people get tips and they just go bubble gum gum spank Oh, those are avatar avatar mpc thing. Yeah hate that stuff. No, it's so dumb Ice cream yum like shut up. Yeah, I want to slap your face See birdman drop the slap emoji slap your face If you watch the if you watch the dubious food video I did I dropped the a curse word in there because I was like what is this you did you did Full circle tonight. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, that's gonna do it guys Thank you so much for turning to the channel by podcast. We have a little outro. Hey, finally later