 Well good afternoon everybody welcome to our 1pm public portion of the closed litigation session of the March 26, 2019 meeting of the city council. In this part of the meeting the council received public testimony. Thereafter council members will move to the courtyard conference room for the closed session. I would like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you mayor. Councilmember Cron is absent. Glover is absent. Meyers here. Brown here. Matthews here. Vice mayor Cummings here and Mayor Watkins here. Are there any members of the public who would like to speak to any of the items on our closed session agenda? I see none. Okay so hearing none I will adjourn this meeting to our courtyard conference room unless we have a statement from our I have a brief announcement. Okay. The significant exposure to litigation item on this afternoon's agenda relates to a potential litigation in connection with the planned closure of the Ross encampment. Okay great thank you for that clarification. Okay so at this point I will adjourn this meeting to the courtyard conference room where we'll go into our closed session. We'll go ahead and get started. Good afternoon everybody. Welcome to our 315 session of the March 26 2019 meeting of the Santa Cruz City Council. I'd like to ask our clerk to please call the roll. Thank you mayor. Councilmember Cron is absent. Glover is absent. Meyers here. Brown here. Matthews here. Vice mayor Cummings here and Mayor Watkins here. Before we begin today I'd like to ask that we please take a moment of silence to honor the victims of the horrific attacks at the two mosques in New Zealand on March 15th. Thank you. Mayor if I could I'd like to say that I attended the vigil of solidarity that was held on Friday at noon at the Islamic Center and Chief Mills if he's here did speak as well. There were a number of speakers. Hundreds of people attended. Complete array of faiths, community organizations, individual. It was a very very moving gathering and it was deeply appreciated by the local Islamic community. So I just wanted to let you and the rest of the community know that. Thank you. At this point we'll go ahead and move forward with our Pledge of Allegiance and if the clerk could please read this. So at this time we have an opportunity to have some introductions of new employees. So we'll go ahead and ask that we have our Director of Economic Development Bonnie Lipskin come up first. Good afternoon Mayor and members of the council. It's my pleasure to introduce Tiffany Lake to you today. Tiffany is our new Principal Management Analyst in the Housing Division and she's been here a month and a half a month and a half already and she has already she's such a part of our team we're so excited she's here. She actually first moved here in 1999 to go to UCSC and she finished with Masters in Business Administration with an accounting specialty which has come into great use already. She also has great project management skills and software skills and she worked for HSC from 2009 to 2012 and definitely has sort of really jumped right in taken on already cleaned up a lot of things has some great ideas for housing monitoring and some software that we're pretty excited about jumped into CDBG some other processes that we have going. Tiffany loves cooking we've all already tasted her fabulous chicken mole which we love and loves cooking cuisines from around the world loves to do roasted salads different things like that. Her favorite thing about Santa Cruz is a mix of redwoods and ocean all in one place in nature and loves to walk her dogs and get out and she does have rescue dogs as well. Favorite thing about work she loves the people she loves and the passion and incredible energy that we have at the city and so again she's just been such a welcome part of our team. One thing she'd really like to change and this won't surprise you is more affordable housing and she's definitely already working on it and one thing that she finds challenging that she'd really like to do which we all also support is she'd really like to streamline and make our department paperless so we're gonna be working with her on that. She also has prior to working at the city some background in that she was consulted while she was working at HSC by former mayor and council member Don Lane to be a presenter at one of his classes at UCSC about homelessness and homeless awareness and she presented on the prevention and rapid rehousing during that time that she was at HSC so please join me in welcoming Tiffany. Thank you Bonnie welcome to the city. I just figured out HSC is homeless services center correct? Yeah got it. Welcome to the city of Santa Cruz Tiffany. We'll now invite up deputy director of water operations manager Chris Coburn to introduce his new employee. Good afternoon mayor Watkins council members I'd like to introduce Nick Nunez he is a new ranger assistant who will be working up at Loch Lomond I think many of you know that the water department manages Loch Lomond both for water supply as well as the environmental resources that we have at the lake and recreation so it's a very sort of complex multidisciplinary job and Nick brings to it I think a wealth of experience and education he has a degree in philosophy from UC Santa Cruz which is what brought him here in 2015 he's originally from West Los Angeles he also has a minor in earth system or earth sciences so all of that work and experience I think is really going to be sent him in a good position to do great things up at the lake and then also his dad ran a tree trimming company down in Los Angeles too which is as we know something that we're always experiencing up there needs with management of the forest so Nick and his spare time enjoy surfing long-distance swimming and learning new things so we're really happy to have him with us and thank you very much and welcome so at this time we'll move into our presentations and the first presentation we have is Red Cross month and a proclamation and I'd like to invite up Dane and our very own Rick Martinez to share a few words Dane couldn't make it and since I'm obviously in the neighborhood I'll be representing the Red Cross today Rick Martinez your deputy chief of police as you mentioned I'm also a passport chair and current board member of the Central Coast chapters the American Red Cross and that includes San Bonito Santa Cruz and Monterey counties the Red Cross as you know is a national organization that responds out to natural disasters coordinates a blood supply also military communication and the other thing oh and obviously fire response so the Red Cross has been there for us as a community whether it's earthquakes wildland fires tsunamis water spouts a little bit of everything so it's an organization that does a lot of great work in our community there's 450 men and women that volunteer in our Central Coast region and it is the most active volunteer court in the nation if there is a disaster whether it's a national or worldwide you can pretty much be assured that one of the Central Coast volunteers will be deployed and be there at one of those scenes I guess a great example that is even airline disasters the ASEANA flight when that went down it in San Francisco I actually heard about it first through the Red Cross because we sent teams there to coordinator reunification center and also deal with the the attendance are the pastors on that flight so it's it's an organization that does a lot of great work locally nationally and worldwide so thank you for taking busy time from your schedule to recognize the great work that the volunteers mostly of the Red Cross do in our community and nationwide thank you thank you thank you for the presentation and thank you to the to the hundreds of volunteers in our community and beyond that support the health and well-being of folks I am have an honor to issue a proclamation declaring this month to be Red Cross month and so I'll read a few elements of it and then I'll go ahead and hand it over so whereas American Red Cross month is a special time to recognize and thank our heroes those Red Cross volunteers and donors who give up their time and resources to help members of the community and whereas more than 137 years ago the American Red Cross was established as a humanitarian organization guided by seven fundamental principles including humanity impartiality and independence to provide services to those in need regardless of race religion gender sexual orientation or citizenship status and I'll just end by saying that therefore I Martin Watkins as mayor of the city of Santa Cruz do hereby proclaim the month of March 2019 as Red Cross month in the city of Santa Cruz and encourage all citizens to join me in supporting this organization and its noble humanitarian mission so here you go thank you mayor just a brief side note where you're walking up you mentioned 137 years of service nationally our local chapter is actually just about 120 years so it's one of the first 11 chapters in the nation so it's a quite an interesting fact so I thought I'd throw that out there thank you take care so next up is a 30-year service pin recognition for Renee Belling and I'll ask that Susan Nimitz and Janice Otris school please come up to make the presentation thank you I'm Susan Nimitz and this is Janice and Renee we're so excited to be here Renee's been with us for 30 years she started in Scotts Valley part-time went on to Bransa 40 and now as a leader in our collection management services organization I want to give you this beautiful pin recognizing your 30 years of service she's in charge of our media cataloging processing mending and you can imagine her jobs changed a lot over the years we're just so happy to have her with her and we really want to recognize the service that she's provided to the Santa Cruz public libraries yes do you want to say anything it's always amazing when someone is willing to give you 30 years of their life to your institution we've been so lucky to have Renee she does the kind of work that is behind the scenes nobody thinks about how those pieces of media get on the shelf or how we keep track of them but Renee is the way that we do it and the other thing that I'm always grateful for is because at Christmas there's fudge so I'm just thrilled that you've spent 30 years with us thank you so much Renee thank you for letting us recognize did you want to say a few words also Renee you're welcome to no pressure when when she said my job has changed over the years when I first started we had audio cassettes and video cassettes and we were just starting to actually catalog video cassettes because at that time when we first started getting them we weren't sure that they were going to continue so we actually had them numbered it was video cassette one when we hit the mid 1000s we said we've actually got a catalog of them so that we put them under Dewey and now of course we have no more audio tapes we have no more video tapes it's all CD and now it's going to streaming and downloading and things have changed quite a bit not sure if it's for the better or not but things have changed a lot and I'm glad I got to see it with the city of Santa Cruz thank you for your 30 years of service so now I'd like to invite up Suzanne Healy to introduce the next presentation which is the O'Neill sea Odyssey highlights hi good afternoon mayor Watkins and city council members I'm Suzanne Healy associate planner with the public works department and as you might know both the city public works and water departments have contributed funding to the amazing O'Neill sea Odyssey education programs for many years this is my pleasure to introduce Mr. Dan Hifley who is the outgoing executive director he just recently retired last week and the new executive director Ms. Rachel Kippen and they're going to do the presentation for us so thank you mayor Watkins council members it's my great pleasure to be here today I am the former executive director of O'Neill sea Odyssey happy to say and I'm really happy to introduce Rachel Kippen to you today she previously worked the city of Watsonville doing environmental projects before that she was the program manager at Save Our Shores and before I hand the hand the lectern over to her I just want to say thank you for all of the efforts that the city of Santa Cruz has undertaken to support O'Neill sea Odyssey this council the staff all the efforts including Measury storm water funding mechanism in 2008 also this city has taken a leadership role in the fight to protect the ocean starting with the mid 1980s with the effort to basically spark a seagrass rebellion that 26 other communities participated in aimed at onshore facilities for offshore oil combating the choking plastic pollution in the ocean as well as dealing with ocean acidification which is is a outcome of climate change so all of that that you've done thank you and with O'Neill sea Odyssey we're very pleased to be able to help create the next generation of community stewards and environmental stewards in the city of Santa Cruz and elsewhere so it gives me great pleasure to introduce Rachel Kippen good afternoon honorable council members I'm so proud to stand here today and and call myself the executive director of O'Neill sea Odyssey it's the first time I've ever said that on a presentation so I'm just really excited so thank you so much for for hearing me to this afternoon we are going to go through kind of a brief overview of our partnership O'Neill sea Odyssey and the city of Santa Cruz and what we've done over the past several you know over a decade and I really appreciate your support right not playing on this okay so I'm hope I think several of you have gotten to come out on the O'Neill sea Odyssey program but for those of you who haven't yet please please reach out there is opportunity to shadow the program Mayor Watkins is going to be joining us in June O'Neill sea Odyssey looks at the ocean as a science classroom it is our mission to provide a hands-on educational experience to encourage the protection and preservation of our living sea and communities and we do that both on the water and then working alongside teachers both in their classroom and then at our shore side education center we primarily engage fourth through sixth grade elementary students and middle school students in three major areas ocean navigation ocean and watershed ecology and marine science so our students come to our program they rotate through those three stations both on team O'Neill's catamaran and again at our shore side education center in the harbor each class is required to complete a community service project to join our program and while our program is entirely free we use that as a way to incentivize and encourage our students to participate in their community service and in the city of Santa Cruz we've seen so many different community service projects with our local schools anything from beach cleanups to recycling campaigns on their campus to the incubation of steelhead for our San Lorenzo River and it's been a beautiful partnership there we also have had a special relationship with save our shores where through the funding through part of the funding through city of Santa Cruz save our shores will do a food web kind of marine debris activity on the same day as our students will go out on the boat and they'll also do a beach cleanup and then directly follow that up with programs with us so they can really see that connection most of our students have never been on the ocean and while that that number is a bit different in the city of Santa Cruz because we do have coastal access here and we do still see a lot of students that are coming out and have never been on a boat before and we're so grateful to be able to provide them with that experience we also use the USDA free and reduced lunch numbers to help us determine need from our local schools so our schools do apply for the program and we're able to determine both kind of if the school would have resources to do these kinds of programs and also if the school might need help with transportation we do provide bus scholarships as well our partnership with the city of Santa Cruz we serve 12 classes every single year a 360 youth total and we have partners since the year 2000 of funds coming both from the refuse and recycling water funds and storm water funds and then we increased our funding through the passage of measure E which Dan Haley was involved in I'm very helpful to get that that funding mechanism going for several of our local nonprofits and we're able to have served over 4,800 students and over 160 classes that otherwise would not have gotten this program without that support I want to thank you for your support today and I also wanted to invite you hopefully you all already received an invitation to Dan Haley's retirement celebration on April 11th at the Sun Room and Coconut Grove it's from 5 to 7 30 since the Matthews has been very helpful in the planning committee I brought some flyers and invitations for you to post if you wouldn't mind so thank you again so much thank you thank you so much for the presentation and I just like to take a moment to acknowledge and thank Dan Haley for his exceptional work over the years as the executive director of O'Neill C Odyssey which has educated as we just heard thousands of local school children on marine science and environmental topics the O'Neill C Odyssey program provides an unforgettable learning experience for school classes out on the Monterey Bay and for many kids as we heard today it's the first time out on a boat and hopefully not their last we'd also like to congratulate Dan on his recent retirement as executive director of O'Neill C Odyssey as of this month we heard we have Rachel taking over and and just so you all know Dan was hired nearly 20 years ago by Jack O'Neill to run the O'Neill C Odyssey program and during his time O'Neill C Odyssey accomplished a major milestone of having 100,000 elementary students participate in this unique ocean-going science and environmental program Dan also oversaw fundraising to renovate the O'Neill building at the Santa Cruz Harbor and include an education center for students thank you so much Dan for your extraordinary work that you've done in our community it's been an honor to partner with you on behalf of the city just want to thank the city again it's really started here and really appreciate all your work thank you and welcome Rachel Dan is too modest to say this but he was the one who really led the campaign to ban oil drilling as much as possible along the California coast very influential in establishment of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary as well as Save Our Shores and O'Neill C Odyssey all these things he's collecting accolades everywhere he looks and he also I think some of you know recently published a book called is it 40 years saving the coast published locally so it's an amazing history of four decades of the political organizing advocacy and implementation work behind ocean protection here in California and Monterey Bay thank you thank you for your past work and for organizing and supporting the next generation all right thank you so at this point we'll go ahead and move on to a few announcements that I have first I'd like to announce that today is councilmember Myers birthday happy birthday thank you for serving our community and being here with us on your birthday I have a few additional amount announcements and then we'll move on to our regular meeting so today's meeting is being broadcast live on community television channel 25 and streaming on the city's website at the city of Santa Cruz comm Mike Oliphant and I'm sorry if I mispronounced your last name is our technician for both this afternoon and later this evening and I'd like to thank him for his work he's here before we get here and they stay after so thank you Mike for your work all city council members can be emailed at the city city council at city of Santa Cruz comm if you would like to communicate with us about an agenda item we'd like to receive your email by Monday at 5 p.m. before our council meeting this provides us with an opportunity to review your email and include it with the rest of our agenda packet please do bear in mind that all items of correspondence with the city and the city council constitute public records and are generally subject to disclosure upon request by any member of our public accordingly if you have any sensitive or private information that you do not wish to be made public you should not include that information in your correspondence our rules of decorum are on the window lids to my left and it's my job as mayor to keep the meeting running without disruption and we ask that we all and you all respect each other and our fellow citizens when we are inside and outside of our council chambers so at this time I'd like to ask if there are any statements of disqualification from council members today no see none okay and I'll go ahead and look to our city clerk administrator to announce any additions or deletions we don't have any okay have a brief announcement about oral communications so oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community to speak to us on items that are not on our agenda oral communications will occur at or around 7 p.m. so I would like to now call on our city attorney to please repr provide a report on closed session thank you mayor Watson members the city council about a busy closed session that commenced at one o'clock this afternoon in the courtyard conference room first item on the closed session agenda was liability claims that was the claims of excuse me Susan Ames Colley all-state North Brook indemnity company kitty or giddy Katie dash ban and state farm insurance those are also on your open session agenda as item 9 on the consent calendar there was one item of anticipated litigation that was discussed by the council received a report from the city attorney's office and in gave direction there was no reportable action on excuse me there was one item of initiation of litigation in which the council received a report from and directed the city attorney to initiate litigation the parties and the particulars of that litigation will be available to the public on request once the action has been filed and served was one item of significant exposure to litigation in which the council received a report from and conferred with the city attorney's office and there was no reportable action on that item D was existing litigation and that was the case hatch pomerance versus the city of Santa Cruz pending in the Santa Cruz County Superior Court discussion of that item was deferred until the April 9th meeting and there were several items of real property negotiations in which the council received a report from and gave instructions to its real property negotiator properties were 125 Coral Street owned by James P. Gillespie and Jean Gillespie trustees other property 510 River Street owned by SPG associates third parcel was 600 River Street owned by Gateway Plaza Associates LLC fourth parcel 700 River Street owned by summer solstice LP fifth parcel 808 River Street owned by Richard L. and Tony Santi trustees lastly parcel with APN 008 172 16 no Citus address and that was parcel owned by Richard L. and Tony Santi trustees there was no reportable action on those items okay thank you Tony so I'll go ahead and move our agenda along to item number four and this is a time for council members to report out on any actions at external boards committees and joint power authority meetings for future meetings please do come prepared to provide an update on any meetings or actions that occurred since the last council meeting so that the council and public can be informed and I will go ahead and start to my left councilor Matthews if you have any report out a couple of quick updates I sit on the Metro Transit District Board with councilmember Myers and just a couple of interesting issues they're always in the search for drivers have a challenge keeping those slots filled it's like many other jobs there's an extensive training recruitment and training program they are adding more varieties of buses so with the variety of buses electrical and CNG the the double buses that they recently acquired that it requires more training so if you know anyone who wants to be a bus driver send them to Metro they're hiring also a continual scramble and uncertainty about federal funding Metro's a capital intensive operation and big unknown so they're doing a lobbying trip back to DC that Alex the exact is heading back I'd say those are a couple of highlights on the mid county groundwater agency that's our collaborative with others central Soquel Creek and some private well owners making progress on the groundwater sustainability plan which we have to deliver in a couple of years and doing we got reports on the research there's some pretty intense enrichment sessions going on for the separate members of that group it's one of those things that does not operate in the public eye but is doing really really good work that will lead us to a sustainable water groundwater program well into the future so I'd say those are the couple Donnie you can report on the downtown management yeah coming great so I'm reporting back on the last local agency formation committee meeting the staff brought forward a proposed budget on March on March 6th and set a public hearing to adopt a final budget on April 3rd 2019 however due to conflicts and based on the chairs direction the next last meeting data has been moved to May 1st there was also a discussion about the Aptos La Selva and Central Fire Protection Districts they've been taking action to functionally consolidate some of their operating units so after an initial 90 day trial period they were able to extend the trial period by 180 days during August of 2018 which allowed for the opportunity to identify changes initiate enhancements and evaluate results of the division and battalion chiefs duties thus providing an efficient and effective model for moving forward with the with a merger and the consolidation of these fire districts in addition to LAFCO an update on the Association of Monterey Bay Area Governments there were a couple presentations that took place one was a presentation on Big Sur District 5 and Highway 1 improvements and so it focused on the Highway 1 corridor plan and a couple questions they were trying to address were how do visitors fit within the corridor plan and address visitor demand and experience and they also had questions around what are viable alternatives to driving as we're seeing increases in visitation to Big Sur one of the things that identified as the need for more restrooms and that crashes are lower than the state average but there are some serious areas of concern where they have crashes in that area in addition to the Highway improvements and the Highway 1 corridor plan there's also a presentation on the 2045 metropolitan transit plan and sustainable community strategies and this focused on regional growth the regional growth forecast look into forecasting growth growth in our in this region out from 2015 at 2045 it's based on growth forecast models used by local jurisdictions and two factors that they're looking at is growth in housing and employment in city metropolitan areas and within the county and it's anticipated that this report is going to come out this fall they also mentioned the regional housing needs assessment last year and this is the acronym for this is Rena so last year Rena numbers weren't part of the Metropolitan Transit Plan sustainable community strategies plan however there have been new laws passed in the state in the past year and these Rena numbers are going to have some impacts on affordable housing in terms of funding that local jurisdictions will be able to receive and so remembering back to two meetings ago here at the City Council of these Rena numbers look at how jurisdictions are meeting the needs of producing very low moderate and above moderate housing and anticipated reproductions for jurisdictions that don't meet their Rena numbers may have implications and maybe tied to them being able to receive more funds for affordable housing. May I just say for members of the public Rena stands for regional housing need assessment so that is related to the number of housing units that each local jurisdiction is assigned as part of the goal and then measured against what we produce construct within those jurisdictions just so people know what Rena means. Thank you for that clarification and on that note we'll go ahead and go over to you at Councilmember Brown for any updates? Sure I'll give a brief update from the seniors council the area agency on aging their last meeting we received legislative agenda there setting a record of the number of pieces of legislation that have been introduced in this Cal the state legislative session overall it's like how I don't remember how many thousand but it was a new record many of which are related to services and program policy and funding related to services for seniors so we're tracking some of those pieces of legislation and I will send that to the mayor so you have an overview of what those are I may ask the Council to sign on in support of several of those key pieces of legislation because they could provide some significant funding for the first time in decades for senior services statewide it would mean a lot to our region as well and with we the regional transportation Commission met we I think I reported our last meeting we've approved our Unified Corridor investment study and are moving forward with that we are at our last meeting heard about updates related to the northern north coast segment of the the rail line and I don't have anything you know nothing new necessarily to report other than working with the north coast farmers to ensure that acquisition we've acquired the rail line but any uses and kind of development of the the rail corridor are compatible with their needs so that seems to all be going relatively smoothly and that was kind of a new good news for us we also some of you may have heard we're facing a lawsuit by Greenway related to the rail corridor that a judge dismissed that lawsuit so we are proceeding with the preferred scenario that the Commission supported which includes maintenance of the rail line in addition to development of a trail along that corridor and within the city we've looked at those segments that are kind of coming online they will be over the next couple of years but the north coast is now pretty short up and we're turning our sights south look at some major repairs that need to be done around along that end of the line I just had a quick update on the library board so the library board mess last met on March 7th the focus the main focus of that meeting was we had Marcus Pimentel our finance director do an update on the budget and revenues and really the forecast looking ahead at the library system and like the city and other agencies the library also too is facing some budget deficits a variety of reasons for that a little different than ours certainly increasing cost is one of them but the other is that because the library system is growing with respect to square footage with the addition of expanded library spaces the staffing for the library will have to increase to accommodate the additional capacities that are being built in over the next few years and so the combination of the two have this increasing deficit and so that was kind of the introductory to the forecast before we get to adopting the budget this year come in year and we'll be discussing then how different ways to try to address that including we'll have to we look at the funding formulas that we have in place currently both well the county has a cap on their victims of effort contributions from the library fund and the city has a sort of a capped increase in our funding so we'll have to look at that whole funding formula and bring that back in order to address that that deficit so we'll bring that back to the council here probably in the next year as we work out how to address that deficit I'll report out on the downtown management corporation and then the cows working group so the DMC we met last week and we adopted the budget and the work plan for the year and a lot of that is focused on the downtown ambassador program which was restarted by the DMC last year we got a detailed report on all the various activities of the ambassadors it's growing very successfully and helping a lot with not only visitor services but also sort of helping to identify built environment needs immediately in the downtown before so things can get fixed and serviced quickly so the ambassador programs I believe operates with two or three part time people and one full time person and another kind of administrator so a small group that does a lot of work in the downtown and one of their big focuses and investments this year will be putting in dog stations not for dogs but for you know what dogs do downtown so one at one one situation that was revealed in some of the sent survey work they've done is just the need to have more available pet station cleanup stations so those will be installed four of those will be installed downtown very soon we got an update also on the fit program which is a partnership between the county sheriff's office office and our police department in terms of managing some of the just managing some of the issues downtown and again just getting to know a little bit more about how we can align goals in our downtown with visitor visitor experience with with some of the other experiences that people do have downtown so again the program really is looking at trying to keep both merchants and visitors informed and work towards a cooperative approach to keeping downtown as accessible to everyone and so that program is making good progress as well and then the cows working group meeting met last month as well or earlier this month and the cows working group for those of you who are not familiar with it is run in partnership with the save the waves organization and it was formed to really improve the water quality at cows beach which has been listed on the beach bummers list for the state of California for a number of years we're working with a variety of water quality scientists both within the city departments as well as universities to really understand the water quality issues at cows beach and they're complex and and complicated to to to basically define but we're making great progress in the last few years we've gone from really number one to I think we're at number seven or eight now so we're moving down the list which is great the goal this year for the working group is really to get off the list altogether so it's an ambitious goal but with the alignment of various water quality testing procedures as well as continued public education and infrastructure improvements at the warfare area and the beach area they're very confident that we're going to move hopefully off that lifts list if not this year then next year there will be a film that's going to be produced about the work with cows beach in partnership with save the waves and the and the working group and that'll be an effort also to just educate the public about this effort through the city of Santa Cruz and its partners and really the the great work that our public works team and others have done to really improve this really important beach in California it's one of the most highly visited beaches and so they're going to be looking and trying to get that produced by late spring early summer so that's it so I'll just briefly say that we have an item on health and all policies in the 70s work so I won't go into that and then a number of committee meetings that will be scheduled in the next couple of weeks but the one I will report on is the farmers market board of directors meeting that took place last night there was a conversation about the vision for downtown and just essentially where the farmers market fits in that vision and their commitment to continuing to engage with the city on the sustainability of the farmers market and and then also recognition of the weather and how that's impacted the various farmers markets and their ability to offer their services in a very rainy season this year so with that I think I'll go ahead and conclude this part of the report out and if there's any other things that were forgotten we can go ahead and send that via email if that makes sense so thank you to the council members who are out there doing the work in the community beyond your time here on the dais so we'll go ahead and move right along to our consent agenda so first step we'll have the items that are listed as 5 through 14 on our agenda and all items will be acted upon in one motion unless an item is pulled by a council member for further discussion and I'd like to ask if city manager Martin Bernal would first like to make a statement in regards to a particular item yes with respect to item number seven the local cannabis equity grant program just likes to request that the council when you approve this make a clarification here under the recommendation the second portion it says approve the grant application for for the amount of a hundred thousand and we'd like that to be modified to for the amount of a hundred thousand or more hundred thousand is a minimum and the intent wasn't meant to cap it at a hundred thousand the intent was to get as much funding as possible so that makes it clear and then in the resolution I think it's under the third item on the resolution three again there to say authorizes a city manager to accept if awarded a grant in the amount of one hundred thousand or more from the state of California so if you could just incorporate that into your recommendations that would be great we'll go ahead and ask that that be incorporated into any motion that is brought forward in regards to that consent item at this point are there any council members who wish to pull any items if so could you please let me know which item you'd like to have pulled Councilor Brown items 8 and 14 8 I was going to ask 8 but okay yeah I just have a question yeah from that one too okay any items to be pulled on this side have a quick comment at the right time okay so we have items number 8 and 14 pulled from the consent is there any council members who wish to only common on any of the items other than 8 or 14 council member Matthews yes I'd like to comment on item 11 which is our reciprocal use agreement with Santa Cruz City Schools and this is one of those hidden gems in the consent item never flashy but it represents literally decades of collaboration between the city schools and City of Santa Cruz on the collaborative and shared use of their facilities for the benefit of young people and and residents of all ages there have been times in the past when there'd be a movement well let's sit down and figure how much an hour for this and how much an hour for that and they said you know in the end let's just have a common sense reciprocal agreement and it works really well and I think that's when we get to health in all policies later on this is health in all policies in action that's my comment nice okay a comment at Councilor Myers and then Councilor Brown yeah I just had a comment just on item number 12 I don't know if Suzanne's still here but certainly just wanted to congratulate the Public Works Department just continuing to build out the green business program and reach so many businesses and really just have such a quality program for so little money so just congratulations Mark please extend that to Suzanne as well it's a wonderful program so thanks for keeping it up thank you council member Matthews for for calling that out we heard a report at the city schools committee meeting about the work that's got and got a little bit of the store historical context and it is really one of those hidden gems as you said so thank you for that and the green business program council member Myers I assume that there it looks like there are people in the audience who might want to speak to the local cannabis equity grant item 7 and so we won't pull it but if you have any if you want to come up and say something I'm just there will be we'll give them there'll be an opportunity for that but I want to say that I'm absolutely in support of moving forward on this and glad that we're positioned to do so okay I'll just echo those comments for item number seven I think it really is a wonderful opportunity to bring equity into the industry and to support the businesses that are aspiring to either join the industry or currently administering great services to those in need so I'm happy that our staff was able to get this in place before I believe is a deadline of maybe April 1st so that we can have our local businesses be able to apply to the equity grant so okay with that I will go ahead and ask that if there are any members of the public who would like to either request an item be pulled or to speak to any item on our consent agenda with the exception of item number 8 and items number 8 and 14 so now would be the time to do so excuse me just one sec you'll have two minutes and if you could come to the microphone and we could go ahead and have you speak to any item other than 8 or 14 on our consent you will have an opportunity to speak to item number 14 after we go ahead and move the consent agenda so there will be an opportunity for item number 14 public comment today yes no problem so this is items other than 8 or 14 on our consent agenda okay please my name is Valerie Corral and I just want to say thank you for moving so quickly it's remarkable what you've accomplished and I want to thank you too for all of the work and that it takes it's just a it's such a rare opportunity that we can find funding from the government and to be able to be funded by the state government for cannabis is phenomenal we've come a long way and to and well it's taken two and a half decades but we're here and in large part because of all of you because of the work that you've done I'm so grateful thank you so much appreciate it I am Jim Coffes and I the deputy director of green trade it's a alliance of local cannabis businesses and I just wanted to thank city manager and the council members for the quick action that you took to make sure that this they were able to make the deadline and you're able to make this application and then just to encourage the staff and to go bold on their application I think this is a excellent opportunity to get some of the money that has flowed into the state coffers back into the local jurisdiction we look forward to helping in any way we can those thank you very much my name is Daniel Phillips and I'm the CEO of mother Humboldt we are a local cannabis manufacturing and distribution company and I'd like to thank the mayor and the members of the board and the city manager for taking on this I'll be applying for one of those grants and we appreciate all your hard work thank you very much hi Pat Malo I'm the executive director of green trade I also have the pleasure of serving on the WAM board and I just don't want to miss the opportunity to say thank you so thank you okay I'm sorry this is for any public comment on items okay this wouldn't be the time oral communications at 7 p.m. is the time to talk okay so we'll go ahead and return to the council for action so for a motion on the consent agenda with the exception of 8 and 14 and the modification as articulated by city manager Bernal to item number 7 in regards to the hundred thousand or more I'll move the consent agenda with the notice or the notice to include a hundred thousand or more for item number 7 in both the resolution and the and the motion that's included that's included yeah okay so that's a motion by councilor Myers I believe I heard a second by vice mayor Cummings I'm all in favor please say aye aye any opposed that passes with councilor Brown council member Myers council member Matthews vice mayor Cummings and myself in support with councilor Glover and councilmember Crone absent okay so we'll go on to the first item that was poll which is item number 8 and I will go ahead and ask councilmember Brown to feel free to speak to the item thank you so I pulled this not because I am not supportive of the application I would just like to get a little bit more information in terms of the amount to be requested where the money will go there was a reference to local partners who are going to be providing a match is that a one-to-one match just a little more information and yeah the grant amount at least target what you're looking at applying for good afternoon mayor members of the council with me today is Ali Cameron who actually is our economic development coordinator within the department and she has been working on this grant doing a great job pulling pulling information together the grant awards are up to 750,000 we are in the process Ali as I said has been working on the grant and will be finalizing the actual grant application is due April 4th we're in communication with our liaison our representative from the economic development administration so we'll be refining that that grant application with her feedback to make sure that we're aligned the concept that we've been working on is partnering with Santa Cruz works and startup sandbox so that they would be providing any matching funds there wouldn't be any cost to the city for for the grant application I just I wasn't I didn't know if the output of this would be an actual sort of a center I you know I'm just curious about it says creation of centers for innovation and an entrepreneur is entrepreneurship and I realize that centers nowadays can be virtual so I was just curious I know about the startup sandbox so I just was kind of curious is this a physical center or will it be sort of a network virtual center the idea is that it's working in conjunction with the existing organizations so that we're leveraging and providing more support and infrastructure for those organizations to continue and expand and we one of the things we really felt that there is a need for is particularly around the job training and the apprenticeship entrepreneurship elements of it and so this would really help sustain that and grow that element within Santa Cruz works and startup sandbox thank you thank you so much for your work on this we look forward to hopefully hearing more in the future if we could get a report back I know this is probably it'll be a way down the road before decisions are made but it'd be great to get a report on what we're funded if anything and absolutely thanks thank you okay well go ahead and see if there's any member of the public who'd like to address the council on item number eight of our consent agenda see none we'll return to council for any type of action move approval okay motion by council member Matthews second okay seconded by vice mayor Cummings any further discussion this is Friday 14 item I don't know no further discussion sorry all those in favor please say aye any opposed okay that passes with the unanimous council present here and councilmember Glover and councilmember crown absent okay so we'll go ahead and move on to item number 14 and I will go ahead and ask councilmember Brown to this item came before us previously and at which time of four members of the council a majority of the council voted to deny the encroachment permit at this point we've had follow-up communication with Verizon wireless we have if the suit hasn't been I don't know maybe perhaps the city attorney can give an update about where things are at because I wanted just to set the context for a reconsideration here why that's happening and I have some thoughts on other things we might do in light of the position that we're currently in related to this issue certainly shortly after the council last considered this encroachment permit I think on the February 26th agenda we received a letter from legal counsel for Verizon indicating that they intend to file legal action challenging the council's decision not to issue an encroachment permit at that meeting under the rules that have been established for that sort of litigation they have a very short timeline within which to do so and I have been notified that the deadline to file actually expires tomorrow and that Verizon is preparing and intends to file a legal challenge by tomorrow as we also discussed it's at some length at the February 26th meeting we really have little in the way of a legal defense to that type of litigation because in essence the council has already or the city I should say rather has already approved the land use application for locating a small cell wireless facility on Morrissey adjacent to the Safeway property and also under the rules that the FCC has promulgated for for processing those types of applications what's known as the Shot Clock has already long since passed so we've been working cooperatively with Verizon to finalize some details about the the wireless facility and to obtain an encroachment permit which is really in essence not a not permission given to Verizon to locate the the facility there that's already been granted what the encroachment permit is essentially is a tool whereby we are able to require Verizon to maintain insurance covering the city in the event of an accident or other incident that gives rise to liability out there and requiring Verizon to indemnify and defend the city if there is such an action so so the encroachment permit is really more to protect the city than it is a grant of any sort of consent to Verizon so that was the base for the recommendation the last time and and still remains the recommendation that the council approve the encroachment permit for the questions I have some comments but I'll reserve those it looks like they're members of the public public okay that sounds great unless there are any additional questions at this time we'll go ahead and move to public comment so now it would be the time to address the council on item number 14 and you'll have up to two minutes yes my name is Drew Lewis and since there's such a short time I'll just read this article in recent from Newsweek today parents concerned as fourth child diagnosed with cancer while attending California school with cell phone tower on campus parents in Ripon California say a cell phone tower in a local schoolyard is to blame for the cancer diagnosis of four students in the last three years the tower which is located at Western Elementary is the same as others scattered throughout the town however one parent told CBS Sacramento that is there's proximity to her son led to his 2017 brain cancer diagnosis quote we had a doctor tell us that it's 100% environmental the kind of tumor that he has unquote Monica Ferrell said in an interview quote it's indescribable it's really tough unquote Ferrell's son Mason was the second child to be diagnosed with cancer in just three years at the school Mason walked by the cell phone tower daily she also told the Modesto B that when questioned the school district cited an obsolete American Cancer Society study as a reasoning for keeping the tower in its current location in the middle of the schoolyard Ferrell told the newspaper that parents will continue to fight to keep their children out of the school on Tuesday more than 200 children were absent from Western Elementary as a form of protest Tuesday night the children's parents attended the meeting at the Ripon Unified School District Richard Rex who family lived across the street from Western School City bump up here on his 11 year old son's abdomen a month ago his son now has has liver cancer the deployment of this technology will eventually put it in to all of those positive human elements we celebrated here at this meeting today thank you thank you next speaker hi thank you I'm Gail Necuna and I want to report some things about 5g and what other cities are doing and I'm looked into this quite a bit so I have found a lot of information that might be a little different and shocking to you today so in Danville California mayor admits local government has lost control on 5g rollout this is from Robert Storer mayor Robert Storer stating that the vote was in an effort to stand up to the federal government and the telecommunications companies like Verizon he says we've made a lot of difficult decisions over the years and this one is right up there in my top three but that is exactly why somebody elects us to do the right things mayor Storer said during the council meeting we've lost local control and this says you know what we're sick of this and we're not going to just sit here and be bowled over we say no we play our cards out we've been in lawsuits before what we need to do is to make sure that we gain that local control you cannot walk out of here and say we won by having this cell tower moved somewhere else the point is to go out there and talk to your state legislators and make sure that they understand that we as the town of Danville deserve to tell people where we want to put these things not to have them dictate to us I find it amazing that we're told that we can only comment on the aesthetics as if we're looking at some inert object on a pole and nothing is coming out of it that it doesn't do anything to people let me introduce you to a Nazi scientist Herman Peshwan he was brought to the United States in operation paper clip after the war he is known for may have another minute please no your time is up we have a equitable for equitable voice we have a specific amount of time for each member of the public to comment to us but you're welcome to leave any item that you'd like us to review with our clerk here thank you okay the next member is welcome you'll have up to two minutes as well my name is Barbara Riverwoman and I actually expected there to be hundreds of people here today and I think the fact that there isn't actually also represents a message to all of us which is that the letters that there's so many letters to all of you and so many citations of scientific studies and I think the reason this chambers isn't packed is because first of all you're being you have basically a gag order or you're not being allowed to take a position so people feel helpless to make a difference and also because so many letters said that it's I don't know this personally I don't suffer from the the effect of emf but there's a lot of magnetic radiation according to many people who testify in this chambers and therefore many of them can't come and they're asking for special considerations under the ADA act because this act would so-called in commode them it makes it impossible for them to be here so that's part of the concern because so many people I thought would be speaking on the health effects I was going to speak on the effects to wildlife and I don't know anything about it really but I did a little googling I think I'm going to spend more time studying this because the whole thing on so many levels concerns me there's this man named Bill Sutherland from Cambridge University who points out that there are a hundred billion devices that are expected to be wirelessly connected by 2025 and he says there's an urgent need to strengthen this wow it's so fast when you're the one that's speaking you're also welcome to leave any additional materials with our clerk for us to review if you'd like okay is there any additional member of the public who would like to address us on item number 14 okay seeing none will return back to the council for action and deliberation go ahead yeah I think this repeats the basically the report that we were given previously and given the constraints upon us and the threat of the very real threat of legal action I am going to move that we adopt the resolution authorizing the encroachment permit as described in the agenda item we've a motion by council member Matthews is there a second I'll second that seconded by council member Myers further discussion council member Brown so I want to say a couple of things about this because I have was one of the council members who voted against issuing this encroachment permit at the time my concerns continue to be the same I'm to say that I am sickened by the dynamic that we has been set up for us to make these kinds of decisions or inability to make a decision at the local level is is an understatement having had some conversations now and read the letter from Verizon you know I just want to say a few things about it because it's really ugly what they're doing so we went the lawsuit if it hasn't been filed already will be filed before the deadline the letter the contents of the letter made it clear that that the company has you know had representatives who have watched the tape of the proceedings the fact that there were speakers in the audience and other and members of the council who made reference to health effects was part of the basis on which they have said they will sue us because we're not allowed to talk about that as somebody in the audience mentioned this time around as well we can only talk about aesthetics I mean this is a really troubling situation and I doubt that Verizon is going to watch the proceedings of this one because I think we're going to end up supporting the encroachment permit today and it is like just really really disheartening to be in this position and to do this right now so I I would like to say that there I think there's some things that maybe the council could consider and I want to put those out there perhaps is friendly amendments given that we are always in this dance so the other thing that I weighed in my reconsideration was the fact that this is going to happen anyway if we don't if we don't issue the permit there will still be a tower there and we just won't it just won't be permitted it will be there and we will be dealing with this lawsuit and this comes up every time we get a cell tower a permit of this type come our way we have very little control I think I'm repeating myself when I say that but I just it's so frustrating my other concern is that the to the extent that we continue to oppose that gives the telecom additional motivation to go back to the FCC and clarify these regulations to eliminate all forms of any potential local control that we do have left and so what I'd like to do today is if the maker of the motion would accept a friendly amendment direction to staff to return to the council by the with what is it May 12th the first meeting in May the council meeting in May with information regard if or sooner if possible information regarding efforts by other cities to modify their local regulations to make it more difficult for these requests to be for make it more difficult for Verizon and other telecom I guess it's AT&T and Verizon or the name of the game to install cell towers within the city within our jurisdiction I know I've heard from some of the activists who have been here before us in the past and have written to us that there are other cities that are approaching this in different ways so what other efforts are out there what can what can the city do to try to protect ourselves for the future and to information about any efforts by local jurisdictions to mount a legal challenge to the FCC rules I would like the city of Santa Cruz to either sue or join on in suing the FCC over these rules if there's an existing law so we could sign on to that's great too so that is my friend hopefully friendly amendment if not I'll make it as a separate motion but but I would like some to direct staff to do that I've communicated with the city attorney who seems to think that that some of that information is already being worked on by the city attorney's office and the extension to what's happening with legal challenges may perhaps I don't want to speak for you Mr. Condati no that is correct my office has been monitoring both the more recent changes in the FCC regulations and state law and efforts by other communities to try to obtain some additional sorts of controls over the location of these types of facilities and I just spoke with my associate Stephanie Hall who's been working on that issue for my office and we think the timeline is is work definitely workable okay that would be my question but it's that sounds workable then that's great to hear yeah to the extent it's workable I'm fine okay so you got that Bonnie I have it written down or I can reiterate it okay great so the there was a friendly amendment by councilor Brown the second the accepted by the maker of the motion and the secondary of the motion any further discussion I just want to share the same as someone who voted against this as well I just want to share the same sentiments expressed by councilmember Brown and just you know echo that we really need to bring authority back to local jurisdictions over where these cell phone towers can be located their installation better understanding how they impact health and the environment and sleep with that okay councilor Myers I'll just echo similarly I think yeah the local control is absolutely necessary and I think we should we should pursue that with other cities in California who are asking these same questions so thank you okay planning director good afternoon mayor and council members I just wanted to call to your attention that based on recent regulations the city and recent FCC regulations and state shot clock requirements the city has been working on a ordinance change that would allow for us to meet those shot clocks you know we have several processes in place right now that really make it challenging to meet those criteria and so on April 9th we'll be coming to you with an ordinance amendment that has been through the planning commission that that really takes a process out of the the overall approval in an effort to meet the legal requirements and so I just want to be completely transparent for you all and for the public so that everyone understands that we've got multiple things working here and an attempt to meet the regulations that are placed on us while also attempting to respond to the desires of how we can maintain more local control both and right okay I just get clarification on the meeting date you said May 12th I put that out there may you know is it the second second Tuesday is May 20th May 28th first meeting of May 14th May 14th I just put May 14th out there as I would be a reasonable response time but if sooner is if sooner can happen sooner just fine too some flex they're about to put a if we're able to put something together sooner we'll I'm happy to do that as well just I'll point out we did unanimously I believe support communication supporting on issues bill on the same topic at the federal level all right any further discussion okay so all those in favor please say aye aye opposed okay that passes unanimously with councilmember Glover and councilmember Crone absent okay so that that concludes excuse me the consent agenda and we'll now go ahead and move on to our public hearing and that's item number 15 on our agenda packets so this item is an appeal which will be conducted as follows the staff will present their report the appellate will have 15 minutes to speak and present evidence in support of their appeal opponents or the responding applicant will have 15 minutes to speak and present any evidence as well we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment for two minutes and then the appellate will have five minutes to rebut but no new information may be presented at that time after then we will go ahead and return back to council for deliberation in action are there any questions about the process with that we'll go ahead and turn it over to our staff good afternoon the mayor council members happy birthday councilmember Meyer my name is Mike Ferri I'm in the planning department this was my project and I've got a slideshow that I'll bring up in just a couple minutes so it's an irregular shaped lot it's on Westcliffe Drive it's considered a substandard lot because it doesn't meet the minimum lot with for that zone district so that puts additional restrictions other than the R15 zone district setbacks their standard lot restrictions and then on top of that it's on the Westcliffe Drive overlay area and that has even further restrictions so it's basically the most restrictive zoned type of parcel that we see in the city it requires approval of a coastal permit a design permit and it has to be consistent with the standards of the sub substandard residential lot and I put those in the staff report so that it would be kind of clearly delineated for you guys and how we respond to each of those what used to be findings and are now standards so the zoning administrator heard this on November 7th there was five people that spoke in favor of the project and the appellant is here today Michael Brodsky who lives just east of the project site had some concerns in response to those concerns the zoning administrator asked that the windows facing east the bedroom windows create a higher sill so that they're more of a privacy type of a window so that approval was appealed to the planning Commission and the planning Commission heard that on January 17th nobody spoke at that hearing except the appellant who still had the same concerns a second story addition adjacent to his house the Planning Commission discussed it they unanimously denied the appeal upholding the zoning administrator's approval so that motion was appealed to the council and that's why we're here today the appellant submitted a revised appeal letter and that should be in your packet and again he was mostly concerned with the second story addition adjacent to his one-story property that's located just to the east so I'll show you the pictures maybe okay so here we are we're on West Cliff and Stockton the appellants one-story duplex is to the right here to the east this is the lot to be developed and we've got a two-story houses across the street and then up to the north and up to the north here and I've got some pictures of that the zoning for the whole area is r15 and it's all in the appealable coastal zone which means that the project after the administrative processes through with the city can be appealed to the state we did work with the State Coast Commission prior to the zoning administrator hearing and it's my understanding that they didn't have any issues with this development they reviewed the plans and the site plan so this is a picture of Michael Brodsky's duplex the existing duplex the lot that's going to be developed as on the opposite side of this house and you can see just north of Michael Brodsky's is a two-story this is the lot to be developed and this is Michael's house here across the street well let me back up across the street you can see these two-story elements that are adjacent to the property and there was some discussion in both the zoning administrator and the Planning Commission hearing about the heritage trees and that's not an issue according to the recent appeal letter but the the whole heritage tree process after we got our arborist report and Leslie looked at the site to be conservative this branch right here of one of those trees would have to be trimmed somewhere up around here to accommodate the proposed garage so that's the only living branch it appears in this tangle of branches so Leslie wanted to be conservative and include the heritage tree removal in case removing that did actually kill the tree the rest of the trees are dead with the exception of this one which is located off the property five or six feet and there are protection measures in the conditions of approval to root pruning and that sort of thing preserve that tree so that's the house directly to the west across the street pretty substantial house and just above above that is a two-story and that's a shot of the two-story that's just north of Michael's house so this is a shot of the site plan there's the 20 foot front yard setback line is this little dashed line here and the West Cliff Drive pretty much directs that only a certain percentage of the house can go up to the setback line and then you have to step the house down and the applicant has done that you can see barely on these plans but this little dotted line is the outline of the second story and that's seven and a half feet away from the east property line the first floor is five feet two inches from the east property line and that again is the West Cliff that makes you put the second story farther back than just our one five zone district would and it's the same over here there's a ten foot setback requirement for the second story along Stockton and an eight foot setback which is a typical R1 five setback so they meet the setback criteria or exceed the required setbacks floor plan is pretty basic on the ground floor you've got an entry kitchen area dining family room there's one bedroom back here stairs up to the second floor which lead to a second and a third bedroom master bedroom they both open out into balconies that face the Monterey Bay there's a couple shots of the elevations it's smooth trialed stucco it's kind of a contemporary design it should be fine with West Cliff standing metal roof the architect put the 30 foot foot height limitation to the peak of the roof we measure it to the midpoint so in the staff report I think it's 26 feet and 10 inches in height the way we measure it so it's below the 30 foot limitation that is otherwise allowed I'm gonna skip that one this is the side face side of the house facing Stockton that's the back of the house and this is the detached garage and the West Cliff Drive guidelines has a building envelope that is created here you go to the front property line you measure six feet up and then create a 30 degree angle and because this is a curve on the front the architect took two measurements so right at the edge of the property line the closest property line to the east that shows that this building is well within the envelope and then further down towards Stockton this shows the remainder of it is and then this is a rendition of what the house is going to look like so from this would be facing West Cliff Drive this elevation is facing the balance on Mike song this whole elevation is facing east so that's the view with a six foot fence that the appellant would have you can see the second story stepped back these are the bedrooms of the zoning administrator asked that the windows still be raised to create more of a privacy so that's it for the slides again it's a contemporary design it'll fit in well with a lot of the other homes that we see along West Cliff again that the standards that this house is designed under are the strictest that we have in the city being a substandard lot and R15 in the West Cliff Drive overlay the appellant did make some recommended design revisions I think one of the planning commissioners asked what it would take for him to be okay he wanted an increase on the second story elevation set back to 10 feet from his property line currently at 7.5 feet he also wanted a limitation of the square footage on the second floor and with the substandard lots there's two ways to design a home you can design a home at 45 percent lot coverage you can max out the lot coverage on the ground floor then you're limited to half of the floor area on the second floor as an alternative you can create a floor area that is 30 percent or less lot coverage and that allows a full second story even more it doesn't restrict it to the ground floor level so they just chose to do it this way and that's what our rules allow so as design it's fully conforming to those undistrict requirements and staff is recommending that the city council deny the appeal upholding the planning commission's acknowledgement of the environmental determination and approval of the coastal design heritage tree removal permits based on the findings that are listed in the staff report and that's in your attached resolution I did receive five letters in favor of this and I don't know if more came I heard some might have come but I didn't see those and I've had no comments in opposition to the project so that concludes the staff report if you have any questions thank you so much are there any questions of the staff at this time if not we'll go ahead and move on to the next component of the hearing which is an opportunity for the appellant to have up to 15 minutes to speak and present any evidence in support of the appeal good afternoon mayor and members of the council my name is Michael Brodsky I live at 1712 Westcliff drive thank you for the opportunity to address you this afternoon and I'd like to start as I did before the zoning administrator and the planning commission by welcoming Mr. Kumar and his family to the neighborhood and stating unequivocally that I support his development of his lot the lots been vacant for some time it's attracted littering and other nuisance activities and it will be very good to have a home built there I have also want to state I've never objected to him having a substantial second story on the home I have some very specific concerns with areas that I do not believe are in compliance with the zoning code Mr. Ferry mentioned that one of the zoning commissioners asked me well what do you want he caught me flatfooted I didn't have an answer and have specifics so for this appeal to the city council I did put down three specifics that I think are reasonably modest and I would like to show you the photographs that are attached to my appeal letter I understand I can plug this in here I'm not not much on tack you go ahead and pause the time if you can let's see I think it's a lot of photo here show that one first let me try one more time okay it's not possible to try it some other way well I I had the second photograph was was really the one that was more critical anyway this is a timer started again it's the one actually yes I do think you have it in the letter so it's this one here where I've drawn the red line showing the height of the new home juxtaposed to my home if you could look at that that'd be great sorry I said I wasn't much on tack I also just want to mention that I'm very grateful to the city staff has been very helpful to me throughout this process and especially mr. Mike Ferry has been a very cordial and patient and helping me out and I appreciate that so then to move on to the substance of it the zoning code section that I'm primarily basing my appeal on is section 24 point 08 point 440 paragraph 3 which applies to substandard lots and it reads quote new structures shall be consistent with the scale of structures on adjacent lots and generally be compatible with existing surrounding structures end quote so that sentence has two components the first is that new structures shall be consistent with the scale of structures on adjacent lots which is a very specific requirement new structures are consistent with the scale of structures on adjacent lots and then the second part is that new structure shall be generally compatible with existing surrounding structures and so on the second photograph that's not showing on the screen I think you can see there that my home there which is approximately 1300 square feet in one story and 9 foot to the eaves and 15 foot to the peak is the only structure on an adjacent lot the stonehouse falls under the other part of the zoning code existing surrounding structures the stonehouse is across the street from my house it's it's not on an adjacent it's not an adjacent structure so my home there is 1361 square feet mr. kumar's proposed project is 2931 square feet more than twice the size and his second floor is 71% of the first floor area now I understand that he's taking advantage of a bonus provision whereas if his lot coverage is under a certain amount then his second floor can exceed more than 50% of the first floor I get that but there's also this countervailing requirement here of being consistent with the scale of structures on adjacent lots and I think 71% is pushing too much to be consistent with both of those requirements so with with those things in mind what I've asked for that I think would bring it within compliance with the zoning code is to increase the second story set back on the east elevation that would be the elevation of his home that runs entirely parallel to my home to a setback of 10 feet it's currently at 7.5 feet so that's an additional 2.5 feet that would do a few things it would make a big difference to me in terms of how imposing it is it would make a big difference in terms of light and it would make a big difference in terms of another zoning code section which is 24.08430 paragraph 5 which provides maintain a compatible race relationship to and preserve solar access of adjacent properties so that 2.5 feet on the second floor they're pushing that back just a little bit would let a lot more light and solar access in for me and I don't think it would make that much of a difference in the design this the second thing is is that Mr. Kimura's garage is one story garage is taller than my home it's at the toward the back of the lot pushed up against one of my back bedrooms and it's only set back three and a half feet from the property line and so again under the rubric of the zoning code consistent with structures on adjacent lots I've asked that that be pushed out further toward the street I've I've named the figure of 10 feet Mr. Ferry said it can be pushed and I named an additional 10 feet making a 13.5 feet Mr. Ferry noted in his report that it could be moved 5 feet making a total of 8.5 feet set back and be consistent with all other requirements of the zoning code I understand you want to garage set back a considerable distance from the street it still would be a considerable distance from the street but doesn't have to be like three and a half feet from the property line and then the third thing I've asked for is to limit the second-story square footage I've put down a figure of 55 percent I just think if you know and looking at this photograph and this photograph in particular you can see where those red lines are how much bigger the proposed structure is than my home and that's the second story that's the most imposing and I it's just hard for me to see how a 2,900 foot structure with 77 over 70% second floor coverage and the only adjacent structure is my tiny little one-story home how that can comply with zoning code requirement that says it shall be consistent with adjacent structures and I just I just respectfully disagree that the stone house is an adjacent structure within the meaning of that zoning code provision there's no definition section that defines a Jason structure in your zoning code that I could find and where there's not a definition section we just give words their ordinary meaning and we just don't understand the house across the street to be adjacent we understand that it's my house that's adjacent and as far as the trees I mean you know that some of the trees are dead they're all grown together part of it's alive and green you know dead trees snags are part of the ecosystem you know there are a lot of them at lighthouse field I was noticing you know that's that's not the biggest issue for me but the way it sits right now all those trees would have to be completely cut down the way they're inner knarled and stuff and a lot of it is green and I was hoping to work out something where they could be trimmed or something could be accommodated I you know they're kind of they're weird and they're old and they're knarled and you know I kind of like them so maybe maybe that's me maybe I'm maybe I'm just weird I don't know okay may I answer any questions go I'm trying to recall if that is this is the time for questions from council or if that's at the end if there's any additional questions I'm looking to you okay are there I'm happy to entertain any questions that may come up for council members that the same okay thank you okay got it done in nine minutes so at this time we'll go ahead and invite up the opponents or the responding applicant and you will have 15 minutes to speak and present any evidence before the council afternoon city council member my name is Jagdish Kumar I'm up the property of downer so we designed this house in the city the way they want it and with my engineer we really work hard to put beautiful house over there we work with the planning very hard we talk daily basis mr. Mike he was so helpful answer my phone call also my engineer and we come up with that design personally I take that design door-to-door anybody have any common people love it they say oh my god this is a beautiful some people say oh could you build us a house like that I can't do that I mean is you guys see the picture that the house he bring all this neighborhood value up I meet all the city court every single thing require of the city I go beyond that and also in the west cliff in front of my property doesn't have no side but my largest a virgin never have building there and mr. Michael property front of him there's no sidewalk I talked to the public work the best cliff area only one area does not have a sidewalk so I tell the public work I'm going to put the sidewalk continues all the way front of Michael property it could that way public and walk safely both side of the best cliff sometimes they get too many people crowd crowded people walk their shoulder to shoulder and that way people can walk both way they have option I'm spending my own money to prove that neighborhood and first I concern he's complain it's unbalanced it's nothing there nothing there it my project already proved twice and it's such a so beautiful design I at least I go to at least a 50 60 houses to take door to door nobody even one person not say that design is a bad people love it love it I mean love it and I really requesting and please this is a beautiful design don't destroy please that's all I'm gonna say are there any questions for the responding applicant okay so at this time we'll go ahead and return no we'll go ahead and ask if there's any member of the community who would like to address the council I'm during public comment on this item you'll have you'll have up to two minutes that's persons I try to make a brief I'm a 50 plus year resident of the West Cliff neighborhood I live two houses from a proper I sent you a letter or email Dave Rowan's my name I'm sorry and I live two parcels from a property that Jack developed on Bethany curve it's absolutely magnificent he also did a project on Fair Avenue to two houses from West Cliff Drive again another stellar project and after that when he did another property on on Brommer just towards 7th Avenue from El Dorado again a fabulous development both a nice large home single story with an ADU and with the need for housing in the area I think he's done more than his share of helping to that end I've reviewed the plans I've been on the property this is a great project and it'd be nice to see it as an addition to West Cliff Drive be an asset for that neighborhood so and again as I looked at the staff report and Mr. Kumar mentioned he's met every requirement that staff has put forward to him and as he has always done with the projects he's done in this area this is going to be his home I hate to see him leave my neighborhood and move over there but that's probably what's going to happen once that's finished but we'll see at any rate a very nice project and I hope you follow through and deny this appeal thank you thank you are there any additional members of the public you'll have up to two minutes thank you mayor council members I don't know either the appellant or the applicants and I wasn't going to speak but listening to the appellant I thought that these concerns were very reasonable and while it may be a beautiful structure it's a very different ball game when it's right next to your house and you haven't had a two-story next to you and I think that sort of trumps everybody else's opinion including my own except to say I thought that the in scale with the adjacent property is something that should have guided this from the from the get-go and it obviously isn't in the scale of the adjacent property so I think that the appellant has some very good points and I don't think he's crazy or whatever the words he used the trees definitely are gnarled and a lot of dead bits and Cyprus are not like eucalyptus little branches won't come out of a dead part if there's no green on it but they have a beauty they have a structure you see the greenery from West Cliff so if there's any way to preserve those I think that would be very reasonable but I hope you'll really weigh carefully the impact on the person who will have this next door even if it were the Taj Mahal you know there is an impact there thank you there any additional members of the community who would like to address the council I'm just wanting to talk about the trees and I think that if they cut out the dead parts and leave the live parts that would be the best possible solution for the trees themselves I don't see any need of clear cutting the area thank you thank you okay we'll go ahead and conclude public comment on this item unless we have a feel free you'll have up to two minutes to address the council council members so I'm Arun Shah I'm the engineer I'm helping Jagdish Kumar design the house so the way the neighbors house is set is way back compared in relation to Jagdish's house so yeah it is a two-story we have all the code requirements we have met all the code requirements and so it is a two-story house I mean we cannot deny that the challenges of the curve of West Cliff Drive and the way other properties are around there it is that is how we can situate and it's a small lot compared to other the one across the street from Jagdish's house so what we have done tried the best to fit and accommodate everything all their considerations and so still the adjacent house is even much bigger across from Jagdish's house maybe not the 1721 but the next next doors is much more this is a very elegant design and nothing audacious or nothing atrocious in our opinion so it should fit very well thank you additional public comment okay hello my name is Antonio and I as a member of the public notice to what appeared to be an ambiguity brought by the appellant and that is what is it adjoining structures or adjacent structures and in the rules of statutory construction and statutory interpretation judges are not allowed to by implication extend the statute beyond the clear words and there is nothing that was presented that said immediately adjacent which would fall in and his interpretation which would favor him however adjacent could also merely mean next to such as the other homes that the individual to my left has shown and that is literally adjacent not that they're immediately adjacent where again the rules of statutory interpretation may apply so with that being said I think it would be very unfair for an individual that clearly appears has worked so hard to purchase a lot that was for sale for over two million dollars and it just seems very inappropriate to not allow the individual to pursue to pursue what a lot of us would like to which is the American dream in the pursuit of happiness and to deny him that pursuit based on an ambiguity of statutory wording would not be just or fair if there's no additional public comment on this item we'll go ahead and return to the process at this point the appellant will be given an additional five minutes to rebut any insights but there was not this is not an opportunity no please feel free to come forward but there will be no new information to be presented at this time you can just simply rebut any of the comments made by the I just occurred to make it wasn't good on tackle I had to do was click the button and that brings up the second picture that I wanted to show you that I did show you so it's not no information but it just again gives you an idea of the scale the definition of adjacent is immediately next to so across the street is not adjacent just to reiterate I support Mr. Kumar developing a lot I support him having a beautiful home there I make no comments on the quality of this design or criticize it in any way in terms of the aesthetics I support him having a substantial second story I think that the things that I've asked for are reasonable in order of the least intrusive on him moving the garage 10 feet further toward the street I don't really see how that's a problem for anybody it creates a little backyard space in back of the garage for him and gives me a little relief increasing the second-story setback from seven and a half feet to 10 feet on the side adjacent to my property would make the setback equal second story setback equal to what he has on the street side so I don't I don't think that's asking much but it would make a substantial difference in terms of meeting the intent of the zoning code and the third thing of reducing the coverage of the second floor from seventy some percent downward I think is a more substantial ask but not unreasonable and actually increasing that setback on the eastern side by two and a half feet would actually decrease the second story covered somewhat so I think I'll I'll wrap it up with that thank you so this this is the time now we'll have council action and deliberation so we turn it back to you go hands it down thank you I did have one question first and that is regarding the trees as I read the report the arborist report tree number one is on the neighboring property and that's the one that's healthy am I reading that correctly yes and so in the construction for this property there's some protection called for for the neighbor's tree which is in decent shape yes okay and all the rest of them are dead or recommended for removal that I'm reading here it's a little confusing so a dead heritage tree you don't have to get a heritage tree permit to remove that so that can just be removed looking at the whole list here dead dead dead dead removal removal that was the arborist suggestion was just to remove the dead ones and and those that were in poor and declining condition yeah well I am actually prepared to uphold the actions of the planning commission and deny the appeal following the language approval of the coastal permit design permit heritage tree removal permit with the findings and my reasons are that this does meet the conditions of the zone and although the line the upper limit line is shown across the whole area in fact I think this design has a fair amount of has hip roofs and gable roofs and a fair amount of articulation on the sides with with the various roof lines so it's it's got a good amount of variety into it I think the property owner showed an exceptional effort at outreach and received general community support for that there's certainly a public benefit with the extension of the sidewalk across that whole stretch there and for those reasons I think it it's it meets the requirements of the zone it it will be in addition and there is some additional community benefit so I will move that we deny the appeal the motion by council member Matthews is that second or I have a couple of questions okay I had questions as well but the motions made so I'll wait for the second okay I'll go ahead and second that and council move around so with respect I actually just to get some clarification here on the and I want to commend every all parties have been involved in this it is beautiful to design there is public benefit as council member Matthew suggested with the sidewalk and I also get the what what one commenter suggested is the you know the impact of the the directly adjacent neighbor and those concerns so I'm just wanting to make sure I can be clear about the the appellants suggestion that and I'm this is related to section 24.08 point 440 paragraph 5 about maintaining compatible something maintaining compatibility and preserving solar access and the contention that of greater setback would actually provide that can you weigh in on this because that is a sick I think that's a significant concern if a 10 foot setback versus a 7.5 setback and I don't know how much that would reduce the overall square footage but I just kind of like to get a better sense of what that means if we didn't request a solar study on this on commercial properties we usually do I had a similar application a similar circumstance with a neighbor appealing where we did a solar study and we don't have a definition anywhere except the 1995 general plan I think there's a definition in there on preserving solar access and it was specifically for an existing solar array on somebody's house so only a restriction was that you couldn't do an addition that would affect someone's existing solar array typically when we look at a property like that and we'd look at the findings that we make if they're meeting their setback and their height requirements they're meeting the adjacent solar access finding okay and then I guess the other question that I had which I'm not sure if it's appropriate to ask this question but has there been any conversation between the applicant and the appellant regarding some of what might be considered minor modifications with respect to the garage and or the setback for solar access has there been any conversation about that or we it's not even at the table for our consideration today with what we've got but I'm just wondering if that's happened at all either the applicant or the appellant I'm certainly willing to engage in that process I mean I did attempt to the first thing I expressed to mr. Kumar was about the garage the first time I met him that didn't go anywhere okay takes two parties to communicate I'm not pointing any fingers but I'm willing to sit down try to work it out it hasn't happened yet would you like to respond as well garage is situated where it is because of the so that we can get parking on the property and not rely on off-street parking and that is why if we move it forward then we lose parking on the property and that's and West Cliff being on weekends and stuff you know how crowded that area is so we don't want to rely on off-street parking and have everything on site and the other point that was brought up about the window so and raising the window so that's a bedroom window and building code requires 44 inch maximum sale height so that can be an issue if we raise the sale height we cannot meet building code requirements and then we cannot have a bedroom there so so that that we kind of ability to raise how high we can raise the window so just to make sure I'm clear is that so the window height is related to the setback because I my understanding was that conversation was had and there was some movement on the window height but I don't I'm specifically talking about the setback itself I'm sorry no no it's not related to the setback okay yeah setback we meet we are meeting the municipal code and a lot of effort goes into developing this code and all these requirements are looked into when when the code is put together and that is why we I mean we are complying with all the requirements on the setbacks and heights the window sill question that came from the zoning administrator that was a condition that he added to the conditions of approval so if it turns out to be a building code issue in a situation like that we would ask for frosted glass or a cracked glass some sort of privacy glass so that that wasn't my question was about the setback I'm just thinking about the solar access that's a that's a serious concern hi leave out their planning director and I just want to clarify the condition as written would necessitate that the closet in that rear bedroom be moved from the rear wall because as written I believe it has does it say a five-foot sill height it's not specific just not specific just higher higher the sill higher sill height so I mean to address privacy I would recommend one of two things if the council continues that would be put in privacy glass or the other way to meet ingress egress would be to move the closet to that easterly wall and provide the ingress egress window on that rear north elevation that's what we articulated the planning commission is what would be needed in order to accomplish the objective but it can also be frosted glass if it's just a if it's a privacy issue that the council wants to address additional questions I was going to see if I could get further clarification on the solar question that was raised earlier if I interpreted it and my understanding was that by design it essentially will allow for solar but it hasn't been updated or is that the wrong interpretation maybe I can get more clarity from us well that's what we look at we look at the the reason we have setbacks is to preserve light air and privacy that's the basic zoning stuff so if they're meeting the setbacks then they're preserving light air and privacy okay that's what I was trying to get to okay thank you appreciate the clarification any for the questions council not a question just to comment okay okay vice mayor Cummings and then council member Matthews did you have a question I did so with regards to standard standards for substandard residential lot development under number three in the staff report at the end of the paragraph where it says where the point is new structure shall be consistent with the scale of structures on adjacent lot and generally be compatible with existing surrounding structures and notice that that the last sentence really focused on how there's there are a number of two-story homes in close proximity and the proposed residents isn't is consistent and scale with those structures and earlier it's mentioned that you know there's a non-conforming single story duplex located to the east of the proposed home however and then it goes into the first floor different different parts of that structure conforming and I'm just wanting to get a little bit more clarity on how it is that the entire structure that's adjacent is not taken into full consideration with when discussing the architecture of the house it's going to be neighboring it so that finding number three says new structures shall be consistent with the scale of structures on adjacent lots and generally be compatible with existing surrounding structures so so we look at that finding we're not going to limit house to one story because there's an adjacent one-story house as a matter of fact we took what used to be an old finding about avoiding two-story additions adjacent to one-story houses that was removed by the City Council in 2017 I think yeah I just I think you've answered it but historically in my experience adjacent means not just immediately next door but in the general area and and this when we look at the number of two-story houses in that area it's generally compatible with the existing pattern and in terms of solar when you look at the layout on the lot true just by meeting the zoning code that with setbacks that accommodates solar access but this has a gabled roof with this the slope down towards the adjacent cottage so that's allowing the solar access more than a flat roof would be and it's the the adjacent cottage is facing south it seems to me it's it's always a surprise to have a house built on a vacant lot that's a fact and but here I think there will still be a good deal of solar access and because of the orientation and as I said before this does meet the requirements of the zoning code I think will in time fit in well I thought I mentioned you mentioned during the staff report that did you consult with coastal staff on this or when we have something that's available the Coastal Commission they usually ask ahead of time to see a copy of the staff report so we sent them the staff report and the conditions and the arborist report prior to the zoning administrator hearing and the response back was you know we don't have an issue with this I'd like to point one thing out Lee asked me to let you know that the second story Eve is 22 feet in height 22 feet and three inches so that's the one that's set back from the east property line the 30 foot height that we see in the picture is to the peak of the roof and we average the highest plate line which is that Eve and the peak of the roof and come up with whatever I said in the staff report I forget 26 feet 10 inches all right thank you all right if there's no further discussion we have a motion by councilmember Matthew seconded by myself okay all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed I will support the motion but I do want to just comment that I'm I just I really wish there was a way that we could get some movement from the parties to try to resolve this issue related to solar access because I don't I'm not willing to hold this up for a solar study but I do think that it would be a real shame to lose that that solar access if that's in fact the case and we don't know because that wasn't looked at so this question that Mayor Watkins raised doesn't have a definitive answer and it sure would be nice to be able to make our decision with with that in mind so just say that okay so we'll go ahead and log a yay vote in support of the motion correct just for clarification on your position okay I mean they meet the rules they meet the rules but you're supporting the motion I mean I think for the record okay I also make a comment for the record I just want to say that I do think that you know it's it's unfortunately that it's unfortunate that the language in here is kind of vague about what constitutes an adjacent structure because when I and I appreciate that you know we're building new homes in our neighborhoods but when newly built homes are not being you know if it's if we're talking about adjacent structures and that structure is not the house that's directly next to it and I know it says generally compatible but I feel like I just want to you know put it out there that if this were a house coming in next to me I would my expectation would be that the adjacent structure would be compared to the house that's currently there not the ones that have been recently built in the area so while I support this I do see how the interpretation of this language is kind of difficult being someone who's had a house in the neighborhood for a long time. Any further discussion okay all those in favor so we had I that's unanimous with councilmember Crone and councilmember Glover absent. I was just going to say I'd like to commend the member of the public for the well-thought-out legal argument. Okay stated from our legal staff here all right thank you for that Tony all right so at this point we'll go ahead and maybe take a short window of time maybe about a five-minute break as we transition to item number 16. Okay we'll go ahead and resume the meeting we are now on item number 16 excuse me which is a public hearing for highway 1 and 9 intersection improvements and we have our presenter Krishnider here. Mayor council members Krishnider assistant director public works city engineer the item before you is the highway 1 9 intersection improvements resolution of necessity in connection with real property acquisition and recommendations that the city following a hearing providing the owner of property and opportunity speak adopt resolutions finding the public necessity requires the acquisition by eminent domain of the real property owned by R&R Santti LLC located at 744 River Street and the real property owned by Richard L Santti and Tony Santti trustees under trust dated September 7th and Raymond Santti located at 808 River Street and authorizing the city manager to proceed with eminent domain proceedings to acquire the real property. The highway 1 9 project has been under development for a number of years in 2004 the city engaged BKF engineers to complete the environmental review and the design of this project it actually proceeds that date by a number of years the first time I recall the project coming up was when I started here in 1987 which was the Harvey West traffic study and the plan was to develop this intersection to provide additional travel lanes since that time there've been some efforts by Caltrans to develop a interchange at this location but really the interchange was very expensive was not supported by the community and really didn't serve the city and particularly the Harvey West in the downtown area provided a lot of throughput for highway 1 but didn't do much for highway 9 or River Street since that time the city's taken on the effort to improve the intersection and has been using redevelopment agency funds as well as traffic impact fee funds to prepare the work for the intersection project includes adding a second northbound lane on highway 9 and the map on this screen essentially shows the green area the city is a cry of the city the green hashed area are the areas that we're providing or acquiring right away in particular the highway 9 section is the properties owned by the Santis and the the red or orange hashed area is the temporary construction easements and those to construct the project and then those remainder those properties return back to the property owner the northbound lane on the additional northbound lane on highway 9 as well as the shoulder which function functions as a bike lane provides for additional opportunities as city to for the project to reduce congestion and improve safety it allows for an additional left turn lane on highway 1 northbound towards the Harvey West area provides for an additional southbound lane on highway 9 towards the downtown and provides a northbound lane on River Street towards the Harvey West area and as we all know that's one of the areas that is the most congested as far as getting out of the downtown area and River Street project also includes improving bike lanes that are existing on River Street and adding bike lanes and shoulders to highway 9 which currently doesn't have any bike lanes or shoulders the sidewalks were improved new access ramps are installed and the crossing of highway 1 on the I would say the west side of the intersection is also shortened slightly by the improvements there are no improvements proposed on the section on highway 1 coming from the direction of Watsonville that stays as it is there's no changes to the highway 1 bridge with this project on the acquisitions the city has hired an appraiser and completed the appraisals of both the Santti properties one which is a house at 744 River and the business at 808 River Street the appraisals and an offer were made on those appraisals in July of 2018 since then there's been no counteroffer from the Santis at one point they hadn't noted that they were having an appraisal their own appraisal none of the properties but we have not received that to date the reason that we are moving towards the resolutions and necessity for condemnation is because we have a 2.8 million dollar grant to construct the intersection and that grant is subject to some some deadlines and essentially the deadline is that we must get right away certification in July of this summer and award the construction contract by June of 2020 or we will potentially and very likely lose the 2.8 million dollar grant the project design does include the removal of some heritage trees there are two redwood trees on the river street side one that's in very poor health and is dying next to the summer solstice building and one heritage or one redwood tree south of that at the Gateway Plaza property two heritage trees are being protected in front of the Santi residential property there are a number of trees on the highway nine segment which will be removed with the project there is at least one heritage oak tree in that location the eucalyptus trees that line highway one in the drainage ditch are not currently proposed for removal and are not intended to be removed in order to excuse me in order to to consider resolution and necessity there's a number of tests for the project the public interest and necessity require the property interest described in the resolution which they are in the attachments are included by in the staff report this intersection is a made major gateway into Santa Cruz controls access to university downtown in the Harvey West industrial area there are a hundred thousand motorists buses and trucks that pass through this intersection daily the new lanes and lane transitions and lane lists will improve traffic flow and reduce the number of collisions at the intersection improvements are also made for bikes and pedestrians and modern traffic signal equipment's installed which provides for emergency vehicle access as well the second test the project is planned or located in the manner the most be compatible with the greatest public good and the least private injury the projects predicated on adding the second northbound lane on highway nine which widens towards the Santi properties it's the most efficient and economical manner to improve the intersection short of the full interchange that I've mentioned before widening on the other side of having on is not viable as it does not meet engineering standards for lane transitions and would adversely impact higher value properties and a greater number of tenants and public services it's important to note that this is a Caltrans intersection and we are designing this to the Caltrans standards and so the lane widths shoulder widths transitions how the different lanes align are based on the Caltrans requirements we actually tried to get some some relief from those requirements a number of years ago essentially spent about a year trying to do that we made a little bit of headway but not enough therefore we're widening more on the highway nine towards the Santi properties more than we had originally intended number three the property is sought sought is necessary for the project the project requires roadway widening which cannot occur without the property that we're acquiring the offer to the owner our owners the record required by government code section 7267.2 have been made to the owner of record on July 24th 2018 universal field services on behalf of the city provided the property owners of each of the parcels a written offer of the full market value of each of the two parcels the offer was accompanied by the appraisal an information brochure and loss of goodwill information if the city adopts the resolution and necessity it'd be able to file an action for condemnation which is the next step in acquiring the property the cost to acquire the two properties expected to be a minimum of 1.73 million and relocation costs are anticipated to be approximately 800,000 of which 300,000 is for the relocation of the resident residents in the home at 744 we've relocated three of the six residents currently and are working towards relocating the other three in addition there'll be legal expenses related to the condemnation action and maybe additional costs arise due to loss of business goodwill funding is generated primarily by traffic impact fees at this point and is what is used for the acquisition of the property the grant that we are receiving the 2.8 million that will be that is solely dedicated to construction it is not enough to construct the project will also be contributing more traffic impact fees towards that intersection there's no impact to the general fund that concludes my report thank you any questions at this time any and member of the public who would like to adjust the council this is item number 16 you'll have up to two minutes good afternoon council members I'm Rick Longinati from the campaign for sustainable transportation as you can see on this slide the highway one and highway nine intersection is formidable if you're on foot or if you're riding a bicycle I don't know of any scarier more intimidating intersection in our community for bicyclists River Streets five lanes at the intersection highway ones eight lanes on the east side of the intersection Jeff spec who wrote the book walkable cities he puts it the more driving lanes the street has the more dangerous it is I think that's a pretty accurate rule of thumb so this project would construct more lanes what does this project do for bicyclists well we've heard that it will add bike lanes on River Street but those bike lanes will be four feet wide that's a minimum Caltrans requirement they aren't protected bike lanes and you can imagine someone swinging in from highway 17 around sweeping around that corner at high speed I wouldn't recommend anybody's child being in that four-foot bike lane on River Street the benefit of this project is not at all clear to me how much time is this going to save any motorists who stopped at a traffic light I think that's a question that we need to answer because there are certainly trade-offs with this project the project would spend the lion's share of the traffic impact fee including money that the university put in 1.4 million that the university put in 10 years ago to fix some intersections around the university we have a bike lane on coming down Bay Street that that disappears before you get to Mission Street and the other direction past Bayview School it disappears these are just simple projects that haven't been done so this is a case of it's a lost lost opportunity next speaker mayor council members I appreciate a lot of work has gone into this I would be sad to see central home supply disappear sort of place I have been to and fixture I don't know what the owners feel about that but apart from that the word improvements I think I always question that that's the appropriate word to use when what we are doing is enlarging lanes of traffic although I can see some advantages here however it mostly means that traffic will be going faster on River Street I was a bit confused into hearing that yes this is one of the most highly used intersections in Santa Cruz with thousands of motors but there's no added lanes coming from Watsonville I heard that as well so this seems to be mainly for highway nine and I guess a bit of River Street some that was a bit confusing I was very pleased to hear that the trees I was mistaken I thought there it was going to be widened coming from Watsonville and that all those trees the Eucalyptus at the intersection there would go I'm very pleased to hear they won't be going maybe it was the in the bigger project just like to sort of put a bit of a B in your bonnet that I think we should be thinking in future there are there was an oak and a redwood tree I know that redwood tree don't know the oak I think we should be thinking when we're talking in the millions as we are here that trees mature trees should be relocated not just cut down there are outfits that will relocate big mature trees you can look that up it's expensive but in the scheme of this amount of money it's not that much to relocate so I'd ask you as you consider this going forward that that be in your thinking and part of any motion thank you there any additional members I'm up to two minutes good afternoon Scott Graham I'm not understanding this is two state highways and somehow the city is spending city money on this and is doing all this designing and I thought the state has the ability to I'm in a domain property within the state of California so why is it the owners put on the city to do this for state highways is it that this state has refused to do anything about this intersection so we're taking it on because the state won't do anything or is it just that we're taking it on just to take it on I don't you know it's not really clear to me why we're involved in a state highway project thank you I believe that's our last speaker so we'll go ahead and return to council for action in deliberation can I provide just a little information in response to the speakers so the university did pay 1.5 million in traffic impact fees for the long-range development plan settlement that is for all in their impacts to all intersections in the city of Santa Cruz including this one and they have a huge contribution to the impacts of this intersection some time ago we realized we were doing this intersection and that's why we went after a grant for the bike pedestrian underpass of highway 1 the highway 1 bridge and that was constructed a number of years so that is really the safest access point to getting into the Harvey West area you can get all the way up to the incidental track traffic signal to cross into the Harvey West area the grant and the traffic impact fee money that paid for that improvement was I think about a million dollars the widening of the lanes that are come on highway one coming from the Watsonville area there are enough lanes there there's not enough lanes on the bridge so essentially feeding the lanes is the hardest is the most difficult part right now with the narrow four lane bridge why is the city doing this and not the state the state is interested in in working with the regional transportation commission to improve from highway 17 in the other direction towards Watsonville and they've been working on those projects this one was lagging and so the city a number of years ago decided to take it on and that's why the city is sponsoring this project it happens in a lot of communities that way where the city a city or a county may take on a state highway project thank you for the clarification okay any additional I believe one of the property owners may wish to address the council oh okay so you'll have up to two minutes I'm sorry I've misunderstood I thought this was like the previous is this a forgive this is an opportunity for the property owner to address the council on the findings that were made in the proposed resolution of necessity and if there's a disagreement with the findings to to give the property owner a chance to voice those concerns and outside of the scope of the public comment right outside scope I thought I was gonna get in ahead of that but I'll get you guys to dinner soon I'm Rusty Santy also known as Raymond Santy from Central Home Supply thanks for the opportunity to speak for 45 years 45 years we've been building our flagship economic center on River Street I believe that qualifies us as a heritage business I would also like to think that in that time we've served five counties cultivating community goodwill through sales service and charitable works we're staunch supporters of city schools local schools with the life labs donations community garden projects the habitat for humanity were very active with them and boys and girls clubs just to name a few we've grown to a viable robust business in Santa Cruz with 15 employees hundreds of contractor customers and thousands of happy do-it-yourselfers I recognize some of you here as we have grown so has our town and with the traffic University expansion coupled with the Harvey West Industrial Park invasion by retail giant Costco and other traffic boosting businesses have jammed the River Street Highway 9 intersection warning noon and evening for over 10 years we have advocated sensible solutions to these traffic jams at one and nine principle among these is another ingress egress to highway one from Harvey West we were approached by city traffic and Caltrans representatives years ago to help solve traffic congestion and we have cooperated eagerly attending meetings and giving expert input we live there we see it every day we know what the problems are however our input was politely and virtually ignored and we're frustrated the eventual plan before you has a minimal take but most of the valuable portion of our business our sales showroom and offices all our parking and bunkers are going away with this if you look at the the diagram I'm sure you all have that in front of you the very faint outline on the end of the warehouse is our showroom and that's going to be leveled the wall of the showroom that is short is shared with the with the warehouse is going to be is going to be taken off the entire the entire house next door is also being removed did everyone get an opportunity to read the letter I sent did you all thank you thank you for your attention and so the costs are going to be horrendous to try and get all that done just cost-wise for us to try and stay on that site to bring it home it's the same as someone needing a minimal portion of your house for the public good imagine they take your kitchen bathroom and a wall off your bedroom okay are you going to live there now that's kind of what we're left with so we've tried everything thinking inside now the and outside the box but we can't realign and reconfigure our operation successfully after the take and with the road constraints imposed by this project again on the project down the middle of River Street on our side of Highway 1 you'll see a bright blue line which represents a two-foot high wall that reduces our business ingress and egress by 50% and it's just untenable there's no place for us to put a gate and have to deal with that and get around the traffic like we said it's going to be coming off of 17 and the speed will be increased so having a retail operation on that that property with the constraints is just going to be very very difficult central home supplies are very successful enterprise that we don't want to lose I want to make it very clear our community customers and employees depend on us we can't let them down it doesn't make sense to spend hundreds of thousands at a site that won't work by the way the offer that we received in July from Universal was addressed from the city of Sunnyvale and the value that they gave for the house on or for the the commercial property on River Street was $2,300 we knew that that was an error we gave them all this time to correct it and even pointed it out and just have received in the last few days a revised offer and we are behind in getting our valuation done but we're trying to figure out a way to make this work and it's just not feasible but we'd have to regrade the property to relocate the office the office would be in a bad spot it's just it's something that's tough to do and and I think should be re-evaluated or help us get relocated we we will relocate if we can find a place that's as good as this great spot we have thank you thank you okay I think I saw a council member Matthews and then council member Brown and I can stay and answer any questions if you like thank you yeah thank you I am one of those customers thank you and I am actually interested in the longer term in helping for the relocation but I I do favor moving forward with this action this is certainly the most dreaded intersection in Santa Cruz and it's true over the years there have been some high use uses added in Harvey West in addition to those that have been there for longer and I think we all know that not just Costco but all the Harvey West playing fields Kirby School plantronics tannery metro city construction courtyard etc etc so there and not to mention all the traffic coming up from South County into the University and Santa Cruz for employment so to my mind there's definitely a need there will be some additional benefits from this most importantly I think is the improvement of emergency access and the fact that we have a deadline or we're going to lose money I mean figure we've been working on this for 15 years and it's only gotten worse so I think this is the time to give direction to follow up with the resolution at hand finding the public necessity for acquisition I hope that we can continue a negotiation that works for all parties but I think we need to go ahead with this action so with that I'm going to move the recommendation before us a motion by Council Member Matthews a second I'll second it I do have a request a maker of the motion about asking staff to return to us I this is an ongoing process and we're going to be yeah about this property and the adjacent potentially the adjacent property over time a request that staff report back to us on the feasibility of tree relocation for those two trees I know that's come up in previous discussions that we've out the council around tree removal permits heritage tree removal permits and certain kinds of trees are more amenable I know it's costly regardless but sometimes it's not even possible but it would be I would like to see a report back on the feasibility of doing that and the potential cost when we get our next update from from staff I would not want that to be a cost associated with the project but I would be quite willing to say that we if possible offer the tree for relocation I mean yeah so I just want to know if it's possible yeah I just want to know if it's possible and you know what you know what works and it doesn't hold everything up of course okay so it sounds like that not mandatory okay just but I'd like to know what the possibilities are and what it would cost us it's not going to cost us or what it would cost I'm it's irrelevant I think the idea is and we've done this sometimes with houses that are being slated for removal from a lot that it's offered for you location sure that's my interest I understand that I'm just I I would like to know what the cost would be I mean if we could get that I'm not saying that I'm making a commitment to explore it as a potential yeah I just I'd like to know what it what the cost would be I understand you where you're coming from council member Matthews but I don't think it would be a whole lot of effort to get a cost estimate that doesn't make give us that's no commitment from our part to purchase there to cover the cost but I just would like to know I'm not really I see I see that as an irrelevant request I'm quite happy to say that we include with the motion that the mature trees be offered for relocation at an third-party's expense draw my second and I'd like to make a substitute motion well let's get where we're going because I want my votes for this are you accepting the the sure if only it takes us to get an estimate fine okay so there's a second with a friendly amendment no commitment yep okay getting a cost yeah okay so we have motion by Matthews seconded by Brown with the addition to explore as originally directed the estimate cost or potential for tree relocation question by if I'm I just want to make one more comment as well before we vote but if you've got a council member I think had a question I just have one quick question about the appraisal so was what did the appraisal include any relocation costs for the business did it do any estimation on that at all I mean if there was if there was improvements that would be needed to maintain the property is a functional business I don't remember seeing anything in there but I just was curious the business appraisal for 808 River included the land the improvements and severance and so it did include funding for a new building is the way understood the appraisal okay thank you replacement thank you council member brown yeah I yeah I just want to make a comment about the the widening and the safety issues around that intersection I'm very sensitive to this and I'm not a big fan of widening of highways in general so this in this particular instance however I am in favor of a configuration that actually increases safety and I know it's been some folks have suggested that that may not be the case but my understanding and everything I've looked at with respect to this particular intersection I'd love to see a protected bike lane there I don't know if that's something that's feasible I'd love to hear from staff you know as this project proceeds what the possibilities are for that and but I I think a bike lane there is I'm is absolutely better than what we've gotten now and so I understand the concerns expressed I am in this case I do think that that that intersection is going to be safer as a result of the work that we're doing here so I just want to put that out there that I have not discounted those concerns in making this decision thank you okay so we have a motion by council member matthews with an amendment and second by council member Brown said a cool question okay so just wanted to ask what is around you know kind of building off what council member Brown just said what are some of the strategies to evaluating traffic improvements and safety improvements around this project well the project was as I said designed under the Caltrans standards and they they do a lot of research and work on transportation improvements particularly you know that's why the lane the lanes are certain with that's why they're aligned a certain way to improve safety and to make it more obvious to the motorists where they're supposed to be what we've added that's not on this picture are there are the bike lanes I don't believe there's going to be room for protected bike lanes but we are adding green lanes at how both on highway nine and on River Street bikes are not allowed on highway one because what I kind of meant was to follow up on that is what strategies or what what are they going to be the strategies after the project is going to be completed to evaluate safety so is there going to be any data collection after the project is done yeah traffic performance and safety standards and how that's impact how it's been impacted by the new construction right we do do collision we do collect collision data that's provided by the highway patrol and the police department and we look at that annually we often do an annual traffic report that talks about the highest and rain intersections etc so that does occur we also Caltrans does annual counts of the city streets and the state highways so we have that information and I'll just quickly repeat what Chris said that was a huge impetus behind that River Levy bike and pedestrian path going underneath and we've heard recently how important that route is to people who are in the Harvey West area for bike and pedestrian use okay thank you all right so at this point we'll go ahead and take the vote all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed that passes unanimously with councilmember Glover and councilmember Crone absent Marcus here for item number 17 my not up yet it's living wage sorry city manager probably thinking it was after this other item yeah I can just do yeah we can do it we could switch it if you like we'll go ahead and switch skip item 17 sorry recalling you right back up and then we'll have item 18 after when our finance director becomes available if not I can do it okay sounds good so we're now on item number 18 which is the we'll go ahead and wait tell okay we're going to go ahead and ask that you please keep your voices down in the audience thank you okay we're going to go ahead and have item number 18 and we'll return to item number 17 after we conclude this item so this is the health and all policies work plan okay okay okay so I'll just briefly kick it off and with sincere appreciation and gratitude and excitement to get to this place for the council members who serve on the sub committee with me to move this forward along with our incredible staff who have put a lot of thought into coming up with the work plan I don't think I need to go on and on too much about it because I've gone on and on before about it and there's plenty of materials in your packets but this is something that I feel is really a wonderful tool for local government to not only identify that's existing within our approach to policymaking but to expand on in terms of how we approach sustainability public health and equity and has proven to be a great tool in many other jurisdictions so without without further ado we'll turn it over to Tiffany to to conduct the presentation and thank you so much for everything yes thank you mayor good evening council members and Mayor Watkins I'm Tiffany Weisbuss the sustainability and climate action manager for the city so come to you today following up on some direction that was given by the council on October 23rd to form a committee and to come back with recommendations for future work and implementation of health and all policies in the city of Santa Cruz the subcommittee has been formed and that consists of mayor Watkins vice mayor Cummings and council member Matthews the committee has met twice to develop to develop the work plan in front of you that is the attachment to the agenda report and upon your approval of the work plan they will meet monthly through the end of the year on a very discreet set of tasks and I will describe that to you in just a moment so what is health and all policies that's a good question that we get the definition the formal definition is on the screen here collaborative approach to improving health by considering health and all decisions and across all sectors and policies it really recognizes that health is determined by physical social economic and service environments in which we live work play age worship it acknowledges the potential for better health outcomes or community well-being is another way that this has been thought of beyond a health agency focus acknowledging that cities do play a role in this kind of work and this health and all policies framework makes health the linking factor to bringing people together from all sectors to identify win-win strategies to address the rooted health issues that impact our community in an efficient way so a few more things about health and all policies as a framework it's really been an initiative that's built on an international and historical body of work globally it's also endorsed by the World Health Organization and the state of California here in California 80% of health care dollars are spent on 20% of the population mainly due to chronic disease management so the goal of health and all policies is to ensure that decision-makers are informed about health public health equity and sustainability those are the three pillars of health and all policy and those consequences of various policy options during policy program project development processes health and all policies contains five key elements I'm not going to read these off for you but you can take a look at those I think it's really important to acknowledge that health and all policies is aimed at setting some intentionality to how we do business and how we make decisions around these three pillars of equity public health and sustainability and I think it's also important to acknowledge that it's done differently everywhere it really encompasses a wide spectrum of activities and can be implemented in many different ways as I'll share with you here in just a moment so health and all policies has been implemented not only by other countries states the state of California but also by other cities and counties both here in California and across the United States and again getting to that point of you know what's what is appropriate for Santa Cruz that is something that this subcommittee is going to be looking at but just to give you a flavor for what other cities have done Richmond their library department established a digital digital health literacy program they also have a training division that requires equity and bias training just as a couple examples San Francisco developed a sustainable communities index under the health and all policies framework Monterey County has implemented a health equity dialogues they've referenced this work in their active transportation planning as well as access to educational economic and job opportunities they also looked at this in the context of redlining so all kinds of different ways that this is you know manifest in different organizations across the globe I thought this was a really interesting graphic it may be a little bit too difficult for you to see from here but what you're looking at this was King County Oregon who also has instituted this health and all policies framework and the upper kind of flow or the stream indicates how inequities are put in place through policies practices and systems that contribute to those inequalities and then the next then would be the conditions and then the outcomes that are not desirable for community well-being when you look at the bottom figure this is the healthy stream that that creates equity where policies practices and systems are pro equity and thus produce the conditions that allows to have the outcomes that we want to see in terms of increased well-being for our community so I thought this was a really nice graphic to illustrate that and health and all policies already intersects with a lot of existing city work I'm not going to read off everything here one of the things you talked about this evening the cannabis equity grant program I would also include in here and how did I come to this so our adaptation plan update that was adopted in October of 2018 for the first time went into detail citing public health implications of climate change and I was very interested in initiating a conversation across stakeholders including public health providers about this topic that we had not had before so again lots already going on that intersects with these these three pillars equity sustainability and public health and the goal of this work plan that's in front of you is really to develop a collaborative and coordinated policy and process for internal and external reflection on those three pillars and their uses factors and decision-making which in the long term would ultimately improve community well-being so really what we've set forth in this work plan is I think modest and but yet achievable and can set the stage for really longevity of this kind of concept going forward and so as described again I won't read these off either but as described in your agenda report these are really the core action steps that have been developed by the subcommittee in consultation with staff and we think again this is a modest and achievable proposal fortunately there are lots of resources available not only case studies from many of these other organizations that I've referenced but guides for health and all policies for local governments and we also are asking for consultant help on this we have some great local knowledge as well as you know the need for some materials and so forth to conduct outreach so I've asked for a small budget with this but really will be having the consultants help staff take on some of the work that will be required in carrying out this work plan and I just want to share with you the objectives to I think these really highlight how this is modest but moving us forward again recognizing the existing ways we're already working with these pillars gain the support and active participation the community defying this next one is really important to find what success looks like and what are the metrics that we need to track to make sure that we're getting to that success and how do we reassess if we aren't making progress towards that success and I think the last one's also very important is that the recommendations that come out of this work add value to us as an organization to our department directors but also respect the demands on human and fiscal resources that are very real as I know you're all aware of again this is spelled out in your packet and then the anticipated outcome from this year-long work plan is to bring back to counsel a report with recommendations for what's appropriate for Santa Cruz in terms of health and all policies a policy and implementation plan going forward and so with that I just want to note that we're asking for a motion that is a little different that's then what's in your agenda report in addition to approving health and all policies the work plan we also are asking you to approve the $20,000 budget for consultants and materials and we will come back with a budget adjustment at a later date in order to appropriate those funds so with that I'm you know really looking forward to these windows of opportunity that will come up with the subcommittee and working with the sub committee this very much dovetails with my work and I think will be very valuable for us as an organization and as a community so if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them. Thank you so much Tiffany for all your hard work on this and for seeing that nexus and really putting it into a nice outline and plan moving forward I will turn to the council to see if there's any questions or if there's any additional comments from the subcommittee members I'm happy for you this is your moment Tiffany did a great job pulling together not only health in all policies but health equity and sustainability so this is a good package and just to reiterate we think we have a lot to go with already with what we already have done and are doing in the city so that's a given and we acknowledge the load we put on our staff for lots of projects so the consultant help is really I think a requirement to get this delivered on Martin's year and so I'm happy to go ahead and move the recommendation to approve the health and all policies work plan and come back with a $20,000 budget adjustment for consultants and materials a one-time expense so I'll go ahead and second that but before maybe we do unless there's any additional questions we'll open it up to see if any member of the public would like to address us on this item okay just checking seeing that and we'll go ahead and return back so vice mayor comes I was just gonna say that I'm excited to see this move forward and how we can apply this into a lot of the policies that we have in the city and so I just want to congratulate you on bringing this forward and thank you for being on the thank you Casey's laughing over there I'm really excited I've been excited every time we meet so it's like there's like a little yes I'm just there's so much potential impossibility so thank you councilmember Myers thank you yeah I would just say that yeah congratulations I think this is I mean it's always great when California leads with innovative things and local cities and counties do it you know and bring it back to their local jurisdiction back back to the neighborhood level and and we should be asking these questions because we do have in you know inequity in our community and we need to diagnose those and figure out the the ways forward to try to not continue in those in equities I work a lot in Monterey County and I've seen some of these these things make a difference there and so I think I'm excited to see what what you guys come up with I'll also just say congratulations and thank you to staff and everybody who's put time in to get us to this jumping off point I'm happy to support the motion and budget adjustments and just want to say that I will all agreement with this wise west that this is a modest proposal I do think it's going to make a real difference in terms of beginning the process of our incorporating this kind of lens into all of the work we do and so I'm really looking forward to seeing how that plays out and I also hope to see proposals come back to us in the future that perhaps help us become even more proactive about this through our policy and programmatic decision-making so thanks everybody thank you thank you okay so with that all those in favor please say aye aye any opposed okay that passes unanimously with councilmember crone and councilmember Glover absent and thank you all thank you very much just add we just got this last week the rankings countywide health rankings I think I forwarded those to you compiled for the state of California we're 13 out of 58 overall and we can do better thank you for highlighting that and thank you Casey and Tiffany okay so we'll go ahead and return back to item number 17 which is our living wage rate annual prescription for 2019 and Laura Nolan is here and I want to apologize to her because I didn't see her earlier but she's here to present on this comment so go ahead Laura okay please I apologize Laura I was looking for Marcus and I didn't see him so thank you and I didn't see her either so I'm Laura Nolan I'm the city's purchasing manager so my my group has been responsible for implementing the living wage because it affects primarily vendors so if you have questions I'm not certain what I know some of the background that it got pulled off and it was originally on but I'm not certain what your questions might be this evening okay we'll go ahead and see if there's any council for questions on this item at this time basically this is a formula so that's the question okay yeah I don't have any questions I'm I'm very familiar with the ordinance itself and with the way that the adjustments are made every year but if there's anybody on the council who wanted more information we have Laura here an opportunity but I'm happy to move the recommendation we'll go ahead and see we have a motion by council member Brown second by council member Myers is there any member of the public who'd like to address the council on this item this is item number 17 the adjustment for the living wage annual prescription for 2019 okay seeing none we'll go ahead and return back so the motion is by council member Brown seconded by council member Myers any further discussion I said a question so does this only apply to does this apply to nonprofit employees now not at the present time it there wasn't a way when it was initiated in 2001 I think we addressed that issue and there wasn't a way to pay them just for the work they were doing for the city because the nonprofits work is blended with more than one grantor's funds so it was addressed and studied pretty hard and we weren't able to come up with a solution that would work although at one point the city did this years ago also allocate just overall additional funding to community programs overall for the purposes of trying to help them achieve the living wage just in general but not specifically tied to a contract thank you for the clarification okay okay I just want to add since we're saying it it was a significant increase at that time so just for council members who were not around that happened I follow up with one more question then is there any information on where that's at now so are those nonprofit groups or nonprofit employees making wages that are comparable to these types of living wages currently I'm not sure if there's like a central database I know for a lot of agencies that's something that they strive to achieve within their goals for example being a member of the community bridges board of directors that's something that's part of our goals and objectives but I would can find out I'm not sure if there's like a central location or database where we can get that information as to where the different agencies might be I don't know if you know what I'm aware of I can say that you know the human care alliance would be the resource on this my understanding and I don't know what kind of wage data they've been collecting but I my understanding is that they are in the process of initiating a study of this sort with ASR is it ASR applied survey research yes ASR so we may have something like that that's submitted to us in the future but you certainly ask the human care alliance what data they've got and we could also we they've reached out to look at having a presentation so we could also look at agendas let's do that in the future okay I believe I believe also guide stars the other I mean they have a national database where they pretty extensive position descriptions and comparability across sectors and more national but but I believe maybe the California endowment might have one California source for top paid employees they have those listings and then the rest is just an aggregate okay thank you okay so if I remember correctly we have a motion by councilmember Brown seconded by councilmember Myers and at this point no all those in favor please say aye aye and any opposed okay that passes unanimously with councilmember Glover and councilmember Crone absent okay so the next agenda item is the meeting calendar and I'll go ahead and see if our city clerk would like to provide any updates to the calendar at this time no I don't have any okay and we don't necessarily need a motion to approve okay we'll go ahead and then take a recess at this time and reconvene at 7 p.m. for oral communications okay evening everybody good evening if I could get your attention please go ahead and pause okay thank you if I could get your attention I want to start by first asking if you have a sign to please keep it low and not to obstruct the vision of those sitting behind you I also want to thank you for being here this is oral communications and our 7 p.m. session on the March 26 2019 meeting of the City Council at this time I'm going to go ahead and ask our clerk to please call roll thank you mayor councilmember it's Crone is absent Glover is absent Myers here Brown here councilmember Matthews is currently absent vice mayor Cummings yeah and mayor Watkins here if I could I'm just gonna ask that you please keep your voices down and we'll have an opportunity to hear from each and every one of you as much as we can this evening so we'll have a chance to listen to you all I'll just briefly say oral communications is an opportunity for members of the community to speak to us about items that are not listed on our agenda and I realize that there is a significant number of folks here who would like to address us this evening oral communications generally goes from 7 p.m. to 7 30 p.m. and generally we have a evening session we do not have an evening session this evening and as the presiding of the presider of this meeting I will a lot up to 60 minutes for oral communications given the amount of community input being here briefly just read our council interactive interaction norms and go over sort of what the expectation of this evening will be so the council members and the community we ask that you please be respectful that you engage in open and honest communication to address with truth and honesty to address difficult issues to find areas of common ground to be open to different perspectives to give the benefit of the doubt to role model good leadership and to be considered of each other's time as the mayor it's my responsibility that everybody has a right to come and address our council to participate in government and our democracy without a threat or intimidation and we don't have to agree with each other on everything but we need to listen and listen respectfully when people have the opportunity to address us I'm gonna ask that we do things a little bit differently and that if you are interested in speaking for 60 seconds generally oral communications or public comment goes for two minutes that you please self-select and come first and if we do have additional time beyond that then we'll open it up to two minutes I also want you to know the expectation for norms if there is a disruption and I am able to identify who that individual may be I will give you a verbal warning and if it continues then I will ask you to leave so please adhere to the decorum of the council meeting so that everybody has a chance to participate this evening so with that we'll go ahead and begin you'll have anybody who is here for oral communications that would like to address the council for one minute we'll go ahead and start with you first and you're welcome to come forward at this time and you're welcome to line up on my left okay I I already signed in so I guess I'm the first one I'll make it one minute and I'll do as best I can my name is Bob Griffin I'm representing myself my wife is local residents and also commercial property owners right adjacent to Depot Park we're at the roundabout the first one at 302 Pacific and it's a well known spot there in the roundabout we've had this property for over 20 years and it's been a real challenge to have the property there with the history so with this recent development in terms of selecting the Depot site I talked to my fellow commercial property owners in the area I'm sort of halfway representing a majority of them which are in the audience we have our concerns quite frankly we all feel it's a very very poor choice with that said I'm not going to get into the reasons of poor choice but Depot Park serves as a park and looking okay I'm gonna thank you okay next speaker and you'll have up to 60 seconds as well council members mayor I am a mother of two girls my daughter plays soccer at Depot Park I'm also a physician and I work with our homeless patients on a regular basis based on my experience as a physician caring for this community I have significant health and safety concerns about the proposed Depot Park encampment specifically the risk of hepatitis A C and methicillin resistant staph aureus all of which are unfortunately very common in our homeless community hypodermic needle knee hypodermic needle sticks are an additional and very real health threat the proposed safe sleep and storage site will undoubtedly increase health risk for all people who use Depot Park in particular children and the elderly whose fragile immune systems make them the most at risk I hope that you seize this important opportunity presented to you at this time you have an entire community more engaged than ever to find solutions that ensure the health and safety of all of our community citizens whether housed or homeless many of us would happily donate time and money myself included thank you thank you just so the audience knows that Drew is actually at his annual if you could go ahead and pause we can go ahead and start the clock for one minute okay go ahead okay sorry yeah so yeah Drew's out of town teaching young people in Selma Alabama non-violence the thing is that there were what the audience doesn't know is that there were a lot of all of other alternative areas that would were involved in Drew's attempted proposal but because there was obstruction the proposal did not really make it to the floor or get an honest hearing and that we got whittled down by staff and by people that are who some reason without real evidence rejected all the other possibilities to Depot Park and so now of course it's brought out a huge number of people who believe that that was the the whole council wanted it at Depot Park no there's a whole study that drew put together with people who work and live on the streets who work with the homeless with with city experts from other cities that was never introduced into the city council and that's what people don't know all right my name is Ralph Elson and today on behalf of the friends of Depot Park I am submitting a petition signed by over 1,500 neighbors and patrons of the park demanding that the city stop plans for the lot 24 encampment I can't stress enough how poorly conceived this project is I grew up in the neighborhood before Depot Park was created I remember when the area was the forgotten part of town full of trash and as a child sometimes not feeling comfortable to play outside of my own neighborhood our city is taking amazing steps to revitalize the area into a vibrant community center considering the council member lever who sponsored the vote for this project now calls the Depot Park lot selection terrible and totally inappropriate and it's calling for the decision to be reversed I asked the city council to take up a repeal of your decision immediately so that the years of progress we've made in improving Depot Park aren't undone thank you my name is Carol Long I'm speaking for the Santa Cruz climate action network and we're going to each speak in a row here six of us on this one topic that is not on the Depot Park and we want to get it out of the way so that you can consider the Depot Park more fully we know that you have many immediate pressing and very important issues to deal with this is a request for something to help you in dealing with the issue of climate action since you have so much else to attend to in view of the extreme threats to our environment and society worldwide pursuant to the Santa Cruz City Council declaration of a climate emergency we ask city council to establish by ordinance an official climate action advisory commission the commissioners will be appointed by city council in the usual way and with the help of city staff will drive studies and recommendations to address this the greatest emergency in our history the commission should remain active as long as this emergency threatens us the commission can help improve our climate action goals okay thank you my name is Pam Stearns the commission can help improve our climate action goals while the current basic goal of the city's climate action plan is better than non-acting that goal reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent over what 1990 levels by to by 2050 will fall far short than what is needed according to the latest science we have to reduce emissions to zero and start to draw down co2 with approximately 10 years and within approximately 10 years in order to avert climate catastrophe for Santa Cruz those disasters would include according to the climate action and adaptation plans the loss of our beaches and west cliff drive in almost 400 homes and 65 commercial properties by 20 by 2100 i'm 2100 within the next 12 years alone over 70 buildings are at risk from increased flooding due to sea level rise Brett Garrett continuing already faced with unaffordable housing we will face a wave of migrants from areas with climates made intolerable by climate change our own area air quality was already compromised this past summer by wildfires increased exponentially by climate warming and our climate action and adaptation plans acknowledge the severe effects of unchecked climate warming on our economy all of these are probably understatements since every new report from the intergovernmental panel on climate change shows the previous estimates off the mark of global change temperature rise and its effect on land and sea have been short of the mark establishing a climate commission would help to raise the issue to the level it merits the present task force while a laudable effort does not have advisory power nor the power to request anything from city government including information from various departments the new commission would serve to reinforce the role of the city's sustainability and climate action manager thank you plant him now okay we'll go ahead now go ahead please you'll have your opportunity to address i'd like to ask you that i will i will consider that a warning so please no more okay speaking out of out of turn okay you'll have your your you'll have okay you'll have your one minute and no more no more no more no more interruption thank you please every important enterprise of the city has its own department and most have citizens advisory commissions establishing a climate action advisory commission to help us face this relentless and monumental crisis makes sense in every way please put this on your agenda for speedy enactment thank you for all your work and for your attention Santa Cruz climate action network so this is the time for anybody who would like to address the council within one minute please feel free to move forward good evening my name is john hall i'm a voter in Santa Cruz first thing i want to do is associate myself with the letter to the editor asking you to put the library agenda onto the city council agenda soon i think we deserve resolution about how that's going to move ahead and where the second thing is i saw a guest commentary about realistic transportation planning that calls for something more than just looking at cars and parking spaces and i want to associate myself with that but to go much further with it and suggest that we need to have more open public space in the downtown area and i as a member of the downtown commons advocates a group a local group that's organized i invite you all to come friday night this coming friday night at the louden nelson senator for a meeting with mark lakeman who's a renowned community architect from portland oregon who's done a lot to help create community spaces in cities thank you thank you seven p.m okay thank you i'm christolson um don't really know why i'm up here but i think i needed to speak for the homeless i am came from the ross camp and i would like to first thank everybody for or anybody that in the community that's helped us out and brought supplies and um thank you for allowing me to have a safe place in the weather um i'm no longer there i actually got blessed um over at the shelter um but i i think that it's a very bad idea to try to put the homeless in that park um for one because we're already having a war with the community or not really war but you know there's already conflict with the community and it just feels like why would you put us in the middle of more conflict um and for two um we actually need a place or they need a place you know that is not for day and night it needs to be permanent you know how are they going to look for a job thank you for any additional members of the community who would like to address the council with within the one-minute timeline okay we'll we'll go to you but we're going to have everybody line up on that side but you can go ahead and before you do if you could please line up to my left go ahead my name is dan poy i think you met me last week when you stated the emergency to put the 50 beds which you're calling it 50 beds but it's a 50 tent site um behind my business next to the neighbors and the playground and the high school and um i felt like i was backed into a corner i worked hard i know despair when i came here in the early 70s i lived in my car and it it's a time that i don't want to bring up but i remembered trying to hide and not have wrinkly clothes and make myself presentable to work and i've worked hard to live here and for you to put this so-called safety bed is wrong i'll lose my business there's going to be a young man that's going to go right after me but uh good evening thank you for having me my name is oliver dixon i'm the current president of santa cruz city youth soccer club we are a local nonprofit organization here in town that offers recreational and competitive soccer to over 1500 kids and plus we have um teams that come visit from over over the hill in other areas and the majority of those teams practice that depot park on day through friday we have games every saturday every sunday we have that field booked seven days a week from now through the summer um what i'd like to do is introduce a marie he was one of the young players from our club and he has a story that he would like to share with you guys okay you have one minute um when me and my mom were driving near the homeless camp um behind ross someone with drugs jumped in front of our car and um pulled down his pants and rubbed his butt on the um the hood of our car and laid down in front of um our bumper and was forcing us to run over him and i don't want that to happen again um at depot park and all my summer camps are really close to depot park my name is greg rawlings i'm a soccer coach as well with both the santa cruz city club and kirby school um we practice at depot park uh tuesdays wednesdays and thursdays most of my players about half my players ride their bike to the park and back so and that's really um a lot of them are already nervous about this thing my son actually wrote you guys all email last night so uh one of you responded so far um but i i just think that there must be another place that's better than in the middle of a school or in the middle of a park or school um for for this encampment and i think everybody here understands that we need some place for the for the homeless to go but this is not the place and i'll say my address my name is naima easter and i am a soccer player and my team is draw zero six and we have practices at depot park and um i am really worried about the homeless people moving where my i have practices and um i really do care about the homeless whenever like i go to kirby i go to kirby um my school and i always look to my um right and then i'm like oh what can i do to help them feel better but um and this shouldn't be happening that they're moving where i enjoy having practice and i feel like it can be me playing soccer but i can't and then my coach won't let us go to the bathroom by yourself at least an adult has to come with us and i don't think that should be okay it's like the kids can deal with it but now i can't go because because i'm worried and i don't want to be worried so my name is christie silvera i am a home homeowner as well as resident of mariners cove i have been the board president there off and on for years i haven't been on the board for a little while my husband and i work seven days a week to make sure that we can actually afford our home and i have been followed home by a homeless back in 2010 he forced his way into my house or tried to but thank god i have two very large standard poodles and i was i ended up surviving the incident but if they wouldn't have been there and bit him trying to enter my home it would have been differently and the safety and this is in 2010 the homeless has been so much more rapid sense and they already are quite a presence i passed six just going from depot park to here and i just took chestnut made a ride on church six homeless and you want to have thousands there that's going to be a very unsafe issue we have a drug problem in this town not just a homeless problem and that needs to be addressed as well good evening everyone my name is lindsay chester i'm a mother and executive director of local nonprofit all about theater we're located at 325 washington street i'm here to basically speak on behalf of the people that are homeless as well as the families that live in this community as well what we're trying to figure out is a solution and we're looking and imploring you guys to try and help us find that not that we're leaning on you but we are here to help you and i think that having hundreds and thousands of children and families being affected in a way that is fearful does not implore them to have compassion about the homeless people but it builds that contempt and that hatred our community should not be built on that especially downtown where the loud enough some community center is which is the heart of our community our children should not fear playing in our parks and they should not fear an interaction with a homeless person those that are mentally disabled need help those that have drug issues need help and those that need a home a roof over the heads need some support in getting that we've already witnessed a young lady earlier who wants to get a job please help them to do that thank you brune santa cruz let's see i'm uh here because i'm generally overwhelmed by all the problems at santa cruz but i'm also inspired by the people i uh heard uh mentioned the community spaces idea i really i think that is is a good a plan to have i also uh have an idea about uh how we could have less greenhouse gases by uh involving downtown to be car free uh necessitating no need for extra parking spaces for example have bicycles and to improve improve the bus transportation all over town that's a start i would like to be able to uh look a person in the eye and have a conversation for real downtown without fear thank you all right our next speaker who would like to address the council within the one-minute timeline yes the one-minute timeline is there any counts any folks that want we'll go ahead and have you self-select if you're interested in addressing the council within one minute okay hello my name is ryan st claire i'm a physician here in santa cruz and i'm a resident of uh shelter lagoon right by the depot park neighborhood and i just wanted to say that i completely agree with council member glover that the depot park in canada is terrible and totally inappropriate and i really look forward to the santa cruz city council voting to repeal it thank you very much in advance hello i'm rita winnings i live at mariners cove which is directly across the street from lot 24 and what i want to share is that it is possible to care deeply about a group of people in this case those people that are camping right now at ross camp and at the same time to not want a homeless camp across ones from what the street from one's home i'm in just that position the people at the ross camp have significant problems that need to be addressed and the health and safety issues at the camp are so great that it needs to be closed transferring 50 tents to depot park parking lot does not solve the problem it simply transfers the burden of the problem to our neighborhood i know that in the absence of emergency of an emergency california law prohibits the council from discussing or taking action immediate action on comments offered at all communications however you yourselves have declared that this is an emergency please act tonight to repeal the resolution to bring a safe sleeping and storage program to depot park thank you i'm in escrow in a house on myrtle avenue one block away from lot 24 and the reason we fell in love with the house was its location we are so excited to be able to live downtown and walk places and bike places i have a 13 year old child and i'm really looking forward to her being able to bike to school and to our friend's house and to the beach and the boardwalk and all of that will change if we go forward with this um i am also realizing that you are shooting yourselves in the foot as a city if you do this you will be lowering you will be raising the crime rate and you will be lowering the property values which lowers the taxes received by the city you will be ruining a lot of the tourism it's so close to the boardwalk and people park there to be able to go to the boardwalk you will be going backwards instead of forwards in terms of how good this city is and how many people come here and spend their money here so i appeal to you please repeal it thank you i'm here because the public has a right to know that the city and the county have been completely complacent in allowing a harm reduction group to run a secondary non-confidential needle exchange down at camp ross and i find it very disingenuous that you would act like you care about drug addicts when you have non-medical people attending to them at camp ross when we have the emeline campus staffed with mental health professionals medical professionals we have a syringe program that's running there and instead of people being seen there and taken there to get the care they need and offered treatment we are delivering needles in our can down at camp ross by non-medical people and now we have a case of wound botulism in our county which is so rare and why do we have that it's unacceptable for you to sit here and be complacent and support a secondary needle exchange with no community input or ask it's going to have a lot more nimbies than we're going to have yimbies no matter where we try to put them and i think it was last week i was here and i mentioned the pogo nip because even paul lee who helped set aside those acres in the pogo nip said that we should put the houseless people in the pogo nip if they want to go and make them some kind of a permanent structure also a man i do believe it was a man wrote to the letter to the editor in the sentinel and mentioned toys are us and if i don't know if the city owns toys are us or if we could somehow get it but that's a building that we could at least put a roof over people's head in this horrible weather that we've had all winter long thank you i wanted to commend vice mayor comings for last meeting he he raised the issue of why don't we have data on who our homeless population is and that it would be a really good idea to compile that data anonymously however you can because we have a drug addiction problem a huge one i found a needle in front of the boardwalk last week and the public works people there told me that they found 60 last month around the wharf who plays around the wharf but our children and grandchildren and tourists it's it's just unbelievable to me that we're becoming a town that treats addicts so poorly too you know well why can you hand them out needles by the handful up on the levee and and what are the hippolaws where's the confidentiality these there's young people there watching this happen there's people riding their bikes walking by it triggers other addicts hi thank you this is my first time here i am a single mother and i didn't plan on being a single mother i have a really good job but unfortunately i don't actually have enough money to afford housing here i think probably because the influx of tech people have raised the prices and so i want just to stand for people that this is going to be an ongoing problem and not all people that are unhoused are drug addicts or have other the issues that people have brought up and the characterization of people in that way is problematic and no neighborhood is going to want a bunch of homeless people in their yard so you're going to get this wherever so i hope you find a good place though because this is not just it's just going to keep getting worse as far as i can tell in this area because of how many people make a ton of money and um people like me that make a pretty decent income we don't qualify for low income anything and so we're just kind of squeezed out and so you're going to have more people unhoused so find a good solution hi my name is Birgit Felder and i'm here not because i have a problem with homeless community but um i think it's a lot bigger than just being homeless um my husband and i have a four-year-old daughter who plays soccer at that park um she's with kids love soccer she's not quite old enough for sccyc yet um we've had incidences where we i won't let her go to the bathroom there anymore she has to go before she leaves because there's people bathing in there um i just worry about the safety of our youth and i feel like it's the duty of the city council to put our kids health and safety first and we need to focus more on the mental health issue with the within the homeless community as well as the drug issue and get them rehabilitation and medication rather than just push them off and i believe that they're being evacuated because of sewage and rodent problems and disease which is just going to put that in the vicinity of our sanikers youth and right now that should be a priority is the health and safety of the youth of sanikers thank you hi my name is natalie and i live in the narrow lagoon apartment i have a four-year-old little girl we walk every single morning at 7 30 a.m through the diva park and i don't want her to see that kind of environment where possibly people are doing drugs right in front of her and i also work for first alarm at downtown santa cruz at wall greens and i constantly deal with them shooting up and being aggressive towards me um i also walk home every single day super late at night from school and work and it would feel very unsafe to be there and especially when they already recognize me from work and are constantly kissing me and yelling at me so i don't think it's a really good idea for them to put them right by my home where i should feel safe to walk home every single night and from school thank you my name is erin singleton o'neill i'd like to know an answer what do you guys know about property management laundering or voting on uh a group of citizens that chase me around terrorizing torture me kind of city we have here well you guys should be ashamed yourself and i'm going to just really kick the hell out of the city because of this. My name is barry kershin and i'm a beach hill neighbor of depot park and i'm here tonight to express my disappointment in the lack of public process opportunities for neighbors to weigh in before a decision was made i i recall hearing about the the sites that you were considering a couple weeks ago and my reaction was that that none of them were appropriate and certainly not depot park thank you my name is jane reill and i'm a homeowner and resident in the neary lagoon area and i was really upset and shocked to hear the news that a decision was made without any public input to move some homeless people into a parking lot and that depot area and that parking lot and the train tracks is our only access to the beach area that is how our children cross to get to the boardwalk to get to the beach and every day evening and morning and there and that is just there's already we cannot go under the trestle because there's so many drug addicts and so much illicit behavior happening in that area that is not being monitored and i'm wondering you know a parking lot is not a home it is not it is not a dignified place for people to have live and be sheltered and it is not a solution for for the homeless and for us and where are they going to go in the day hey my name is debbie dutra and i'm an all about theater parent um my daughter goes to all about theater on washington street we have about 500 kids that go through that theater from age three to 16 every single year um they walk from all about theater they walk to loudon nelson we have all of our shows at loudon we try to teach our children compassion um they say they're aware of the homeless problem we have to sometimes even clean up the defecation before we can even do our sets or anything else they're it's it's it's very challenging as it is and like the last woman said i am concerned yes sleep safe sleeping i get it what happens when it's dawn where are they going that's my biggest concern and i have two young ladies here after me that i'd like to introduce and they're um two theater kids so that that's what i'd like the answers with that is what is what is your what is your what is the solution for the daytime so thank you i'm sophia roark i'm olivia and um all about theater is right near where the homeless camp is going to be and all about theater is always supposed to be called a safe place and i don't think we feel that comfortable when the homeless camp is near um about theater and it's not that homeless people aren't safe but um all about theater is supposed since it's supposed to be a safe place um homeless people because the teens when um it's break time for them they get to go out if they want to and it's usually dark right then so i don't think we'll feel comfortable when they're right near us and yeah thank you hi my name is panty bankson and i'm the race director of the first triathlon that comes to town in august um at depot park and the next one is an iron man followed by the santa cruz triathlon or the sentinel and over the last 12 13 years we have seen the situation down there deteriorate greatly last year alone we picked up 22 needles three bottles of urine and several piles of excrement from the plaza in depot park overnight in spite of a security guard we have had equipment stolen our vendors have had equipment stolen we have had computers stolen and probably the worst of all when we asked one gentleman to leave he peed all over the racers food and rendered it unusable 80 percent of the people who come to use depot park in the beach area come from out of town they've had their cars broken into um and and this is just ongoing not new hi my name is seth van horn um i'm a father here in town a resident i've grown up in santa cruz my whole life so i've seen this town change um a lot over the last almost 40 years or so um it used to be a safe place that i could run around and feel safe at night biking around and doing all of those things i wouldn't even feel safe with my child going a block from my house i live a block from depot park and me and my wife take our son through the lagoon every single week to go up the playground and play and that used to be such a peaceful tranquil place for us to unwind and go take our kid to now every single time we pass through we can expect to walk up on somebody with their crinkled burnt piece of foil and their needle and their spoon trying to roast up somewhere on a little park bench and we get solicited for drugs by people that come through offering drugs to anybody walking down the path and these aren't things that we want to have to explain to our kid every single time we're walking by and the camp isn't even there yet and that's not going to make anything any better it's destroying the natural wildlife in the whole scene there and the now it's empty out there hi my name is marina ire and i spoke last week um about my idea for a 10-year plan for santa cruz my idea um to help with depot park that we can do in the interim is i would love for the city council to look at real estate commercial real estate that the city can buy with the funds for the homeless money to find a shelter an area that they can be housed in day and night preferably i i even looked online and i found something i will give to you at commercial site also in the future to think about making deals with uh failing motels down at the beach flats and convert those into housing for the homeless and as part of it i also have the ideas for drug-free santa cruz because they need to go hand in hand it can't you just can't give the housing without upping hiring more police enforcing drug laws um making chop shops illegal all you're welcome to do that so i'll go ahead and increase the time to two minutes for the remainder of our communications which is an additional 18 minutes or so at this point okay you'll have up to two minutes hi my name is mrs gomez and we're coming from the from nearly like one apartment we got a 217 signature house by house everybody children seniors disabled people that can't even move the hand design it so it's here so we're coming to say please open the agenda to agree some suggestion for this for the city council for the eight per second for the next one for eight per seven so we want to say thank you and mr john uh just in coming i found some papers in my house say uh just in coming it's a really compassionate solution for homeless so we say please we want to please be a charter be reopened a place i won't say place for them where they can't be no surrounded for residents homes children um there's a lot of all the people over there we have a here all the data and the signature so it also is some problem for the by the train the homeland security who can say to us the homeland security so i'm also we want to we want to open the agenda for a per second to eight per nine uh all the people feel in their heart that they be some solution and open the agenda it's only seven seven people here so i want to remember the proposition two for mental health two million dollars and two thousand four sixty three one five to two five million dollars and proposition h affordable housing for the first home barrier etcetera by experience homeless mental illness there should be in the proposition age proposition ten re-control helping to the other people to get a apartment because they don't have even though for homeless or no homeless he proposition five for a fifty five years order so at the same time we want to say could we find in the newspaper the lady for the scratch body the uh she say the case the one moment case she is the associate for the faith uh susan my client she is from uh from his cash value what she want to bring the people from his cash value and the faith in what kind of faith to to the to our neighborhood thank you and open open the agenda please okay next my my okay you've had your moment it's now time for the next speaker thank you very much you'll have up to two minutes thank you hi i'm garret uh please commit to the public your mission is not to turn Santa Cruz into a haven for the poor and homeless but to prosperity which can better afford those you don't need an LA style skid row i see no acknowledgement that homeless is a national problem that cannot or futilely be attempted to be solved by a small city any more than what is practical does not invite more homeless here and only in the interests and desires of all the people of Santa Cruz i see no acknowledgement that there exists a large percentage of homeless such as those with mental issues permanent willful drug addiction and grifters that will take up service slots permanently and that this process continues in a positive feedback loop as more services are added no matter the amount of services offered as they have unlimited numbers of such people free to travel where they may i see no acknowledgement that this is a field of dreams provide more service and they'll come filling more and more where the permanent ever-growing element of such i see no acknowledgement that the idea of a hundred percent shelter is somehow required or a goal we should try to achieve if we're ever accomplished the homeless from hundreds of miles away would come in droves i'm uncomfortable having religious groups take vast sums of money and work for the city that's counter to the separation of church and state i'm uncomfortable with dispersing vast sums of emergency money to NGOs whose stated missions transcend that homeless purpose without a complete public accounting of their success at reducing homelessness at what cost i'm uncomfortable with public land right permanent giveaways without a complete public accounting of their success at reducing homelessness at what cost and land costs plenty it counts and it belongs to all the people i see no acknowledgement that there exists a too many homeless problem that affects all people while homelessness affects 1.85 percent a number far too large for this small city no one here seems to have a number that is too many you should pick a number thank you thank you hello lease casby dear santa cruise city council and other concerned citizens the tweet that police chief mills tweeted directing the public to view the video called seattle dying is seen by myself and others as promoting a deleterious view of people experiencing homelessness chief mills tweeted this message and picture on the video on tuesday march 19th 2019 the video is not responsible journal journalism but heavily biased against an already vulnerable group of people attempting to survive without housing and lacking in viable shelter options that are truly accessible to many in the group police chief mills tweet comes at a time when santa cruise is embarking on changes in policy to provide potentially a legal sleeping spot in a limited pilot program to people experiencing homelessness i hope i'm correct in my understanding of the city's current recommendation as i express it here the video fully equates homelessness with property crimes drug use and mental illness in a blanket manner the video correlates homeless people with images of garbage and blight the video also recommends in an indirect way that stronger policing would be thus a solution to the problem if not the solution to the problem this is a kind of political suggestion for a solution to the so-called problem of homelessness that the police chief is suggesting by his reference to the video in his tweet i want to call your attention to the this use of media by a person in a very particular position of authority in our city as i believe it is irresponsible use of media by our police chief and serves to further dehumanize an already vulnerable and diverse group of people people experiencing homelessness promoting this type of media by bias media in a way that depicts people attempting to survive outside does not help our community find our way to constructive solutions especially when that promotion is done by our chief of police and i have packets here for each you it has the tweet with the picture a letter from me and a piece from Goodtimes hi my name is Shivani Patel i'm currently a sophomore at Santa Cruz high school my school and my home are both very close to the encampment if it were to move um i wish to speak to you guys today about two of encounters that i've faced in the two years of high school that i've had walking back home these encounters both happened on the same sidewalk i was walking one day i was very close to my home when i had a 60 year old man who's homeless approached me speaking things that were inaudible to me things that seemed like gibberish to me and i was able to get away but who knows what would have happened to me in that situation what if he was armed i felt incredibly unsafe and that was very scarring to me my second encounter was even more scarring than that i was around in the exact same spot a homeless woman was next to me and at the sidewalk parallel to me was a high school student around my age this homeless lady was talking to me about the thighs the legs the body the curves of that high school student who was across the sidewalk for me and that just made me so uncomfortable who wants to hear that about anybody else it's i don't even have words but i wish to ask you all something when is it ever okay to compromise the safety of one group of individuals for another group it's never okay and i wish you guys to put yourselves in the shoes of the very concerned parents sitting behind me they're concerned for their safety and above all the safety of their children so many people walk home every day from school people who are half my age who would have to face this and it's never okay if you can't put yourself in the shoes of those concerned parents and i'm sorry to say but with all due respect our priorities as a city are backwards thank you i'm asking you tonight to lead our city to build consensus and effectively problem solve our tough issues i want to solve the drug and crime issues but when i or my neighbors call the police we are often ignored and told to just fell out of form online i want to solve the homelessness issues with you but when i ask you to not just kick the camp down the road to depot park you dismiss me as a nimby when i appropriately question the common sense and effectiveness of creating a homeless camp in a neighborhood park you oversimplify and label me as not compassionate i'm asking you tonight to start leading and stop oversimplifying stop ignoring dismissing and labeling not only me but also our homeless people and begin to do the hard work to help all people in our community on this very complicated issue find out who our homeless are in santa cruz who needs help with a livable wage or subsidized housing who needs treatment for their addiction who needs health care for their mental health and let's work with the minds and resources at the county state national levels on this challenging national issue we really need their help on this my trust in your leadership is broken when you ignore public comment that goes to 1 a.m. 12 a.m. of course you're going to get the same responses in the next neighborhood when you rush and you confusingly put the homeless camp issue on a special agenda or take a page from national politics to declare an emergency it looks calculating not kansas's building when your stated intent is to set up a 24-7 transitional camp not a temporary camp i don't trust your temporary overnight camp when you show us models of transitional camps without drugs and alcohol and the city council members say that isn't practical in santa cruz that we need wet transitional camps then i beg you to begin leading with problems i'm so sorry i'm so nervous i beg you to begin leading and problem-solving with common sense restore my trust and do not kick the camp down the road to depot park lot 24 is not a constructive solution to this complex issue it's the wrong program in the wrong place and i really urge you to reconsider this thank you council mayor my name is brent adams i'm the director of the warming center program and i operate a storage program for 400 people who sleep outside i have 80 people sleeping on the floor i have a very high level of contact with people who sleep outside um i'm not going to tell you ever what they think anybody who tries to tell you what homeless people think and what they're going to go for is is not being authentic but i will tell you we're all being duped by the city manager's office they're duping us we're all being played like a game and the city council are pawns in this game we know it's up wherever money is pooling that's where we'll see action this is our second drug camp in a row the city let let this happen there we never had them ever apologize we watched it grow we watched syringes and they use that like they did last year to do that camp on uh river street they they let it let the tide come in and ratchet the population up what we've done now is we've laid a population of incredible drug addiction on top of our pre-existing homeless population people have streamed from out of town and what if we heard them say they've never even blinked i'm so frustrated frustrated and now we're like raising up possibilities like transitional encampments and then getting the population riled up we know we know this is not going to happen what's really happening is 10 million we just want you to all be placated later like the river street camp nobody's protesting the river street camp this year because they pushed us so far we're willing to accept anything even tents in a in a downtown parking lot i i think we should all rise up i am i am completely upset if we were really going to do something about homelessness you would have actually had month meetings ahead of time like you said you were going to do with transitional encampments martin Bernal you know this you didn't you denied what you denied these meetings and so you're you're abusing this population i can raise my voice and i will i i operate the warming center i'm not asking i'm going to pause your time i'm going to go ahead and ask you to please direct your comments i will i put our or all of our communications i put forth this transitional encampment process and it's been denied through rumors and innuendo i'm actually watching this over many years now and i actually see this this this sham thank you i um i think this um perception of who our homeless community is is at least five or ten years in the making and i put a lot of it on our former police chief kevin vogel and deputy chief steve clark they held an event at holy cross church that was an embarrassment it was a travesty it was a sham they trucked in a woman from sacramento whose mother had been murdered no surprise by a homeless person the woman that was a public safety advocate was a sham she was a fake her website was removed she's complete fraud they couldn't even scope that out so now we have chief mills sharing the same hyperbole he has said numerous times you cannot compare jurisdictions and crime and in that false video there's a democrat there's a dial a diagram of seattle's crime compared to compton and new york and it's a travesty seattle's crime is just like california's it's near historic lows some of the crimes recently in our community a neurosurgeon a neurosurgeon molesting children not homeless a police officer shooting a man with a rake not homeless a police officer who was just fired for groping and sexually assaulting people who may have to register as a sex offender not homeless a girl scout a camp counselor not homeless so creating this emotion of fear is going to make it really hard for anybody to put this population in any campground any transitional six month nine month thirty day what i also want to switch gears to is i want to provide with you and i will get the electronic link for this this is the Stephanie Fiori's presentation on overdose data and she did a really amazing job from 2008 to 2018 we have a substance use disorder issue yes i do not use the word addict i use people who use drugs i do not ignore the fact that we're in the middle of an epidemic and it's an overdose epidemic if anybody complains about giving out naloxone which the surgeon general has recommended which the cdc has recommended your time is up they have discrimination issues we have enough time for maybe a couple more speakers go ahead hi my name is jennifer lanford brown and i'm here to um kind of counteract some misinformation that um a fellow nurse is presenting her name is melissa um we at the harm reduction for harm reduction coalition nationally we um promote safe health and we um do outreach and it's not necessarily a syringe exchange program we take in dirty uh use syringes but what we do is provide access and promote access we give rides to um the clinic we give hours to the clinic to try to get people to use the um you know exchange program we even i even do field trips i live on velcro street so i live right by the camp i'm trained and i am trained to train the trainer in narcan scope training um i'm an advanced medic certified i i've done a lot but that's not just it people aren't accessing the program and they're using dirty needles and they're infectious diseases that are going to spread they're getting abscesses they need help in direction and sometimes they just need to be told what time it is and let's field trip it up on tuesday night i walked a bunch of people who wouldn't access the program and i went in for them so i'm asking you guys to understand the health and safety code 11364.7 of state of california says that injection drug users can do their own secondary exchange so if it's not us it's them and we i'd rather us do it because we make sure we take in thousands of needles okay so we'll go ahead and allow for one more speaker to come on up and you will be our last speaker i i'm sitting here because i can't stand similarly here okay we'll have you and then if you could notify me in advance that you're in line because we've had folks waiting in line that i didn't get the notice okay well we'll go ahead and have it just because of the fact that you weren't unable to stand you two will be i i suppose the last speakers but you can go ahead and then i'm going to go ahead and close it i doubled the time for oral communications we've received numerous emails you're welcome to email us and continue i apologize i know many people wanted speak tonight we'll go ahead and extend it for the remaining three speakers go ahead thank you martin i was at a party with you at my best friend laura mcclouds house when you're being elected we had a really nice conversation actually about this and i i'm sorry to you guys i didn't have an intention to speak tonight i just wanted to come in here because i live two blocks from depot park and i just wanted to say that i'm sorry this fell into your lap when you were elected this has to be horrible and it's a community problem we're all scared we're all worried we all don't want it you don't want it so i i want us to all work together and i know that you want that too because i know what you stand for and you're a really great woman and i voted for you and i'm glad that you're here but i just my biggest concern is we live there this one is terrified terrified to go anywhere downtown we don't we live on lingon street um and we've lived here 22 years from new york and this is by far as you know again i'm not saying anything you guys don't know it's super scary and i just don't know where the police are in any of this like i get a parking ticket in front of my own house because i haven't paid my permit parking but i just i i i don't know why i'm you know i'm like the criminal in this town and i pay a lot of money to live here as do all of these people we pay premium prices to live here and in our backyard we have horrible scary really sick drug addict and it is a drug epidemic it's it's more than a homeless epidemic because i don't know that most of the homeless veterans and i can't speak for this i don't know that they would set foot in these camps they're they're terrible it's horrible i do feel awful for all of you that this is happening and i just hope we can work together and i do hope that the police get a little more um okay to to help thank you we'll go ahead and have you mr norris all right okay hi i'm abby about eight years ago um i was also i don't know if you know this but i was also extremely afraid of people that were living on the streets very afraid i couldn't look at them in the eyes because my reasoning was they wanted something from me and i was i didn't want to start a conversation i was afraid there's multiple reasons um but i decided i i at one Christmas i started handing out giving out food and that Christmas changed my life at the vet center and what happened was i it was unbelievable people were saying god bless you everyone almost everyone said god bless you for a piece of food and i experienced this all the time and what's changed for me is now i have found more humanity in the people at the camp and i am willing to stay there for one week straight every single night i promise i go on to that camp i speak to the people i feel extremely safe so i think that people are afraid of what they don't know just like i was eight years ago and i feel more humanity with the people in the camp and what they're more alive and in touch with life whereas we're in our most of us including myself a lot of the time are at home in their safe environment with the tv or whatever's going on where i get lost into what's um the the moving of life and i do not agree that most of people at the camp are drug addicts um i do not uh seattle i've been talking to people in seattle city council people and looking up statistics and there's opposing sides where people say that the crime has gone up and the crime has stayed the same i know you're going to cut me off thank you okay i noticed that no one who's spoken here in opposition to the depot camp and i'm no fan of the depot camp myself mind you it's not an encampment it's a it's a nighttime only proposal but no one except for one speaker has offered an alternative spot so we what we're really saying is get the fuck out of town that's what's really being said here i want to remind you that there's children in the audience and i want to ask the kind of bigotry that is being pushed here is not particularly healthy for children in my view okay you got that that's bigotry that's dangerous stuff you have a mob of people here who are believing in fantasies dangerous paranoid fantasies about people who are in trouble some of whom are drug using yes what do we got as far as the Ross camp depot park issue it's pretty clear driving people out of Ross camp into the streets sidewalks parks green belts and residential neighborhoods which is what's going to happen folks if they close the Ross camp on april 17th our city manager has already declared that on the 10th he's going to start clearing out the camp with no place for people to go fundamentally okay that's the point so what you need to do is acknowledge this the $90,000 per month river street camp for 60 people no even if the depot site continues which i don't think it's going to given this outcry and i understand it uh it it's not going to be available for enough people in that camp so what have we got the community needs to come up with its own solutions everyone's invited to the resource center for non-violence april 3rd 7 p.m of all kinds of views opposing the depot opposing the homeless whatever you oppose this is a community problem as many speakers have said now anyone who'd like to speak on free radio and i've been running around with my little machine here recording some dialogues and some opinions apologize i haven't gotten to everybody i'm interested in your view contact me i've given out this flyer in case you want my number will put you on the air whatever you view we need real dialogue and real action the only viable place right now however crowded and richard is ross camp okay the only realistic alternative tonight time is that that's what we got we'll go ahead and um at this time conclude oral communications and um councilmember matthews if i could i think this is time for council comments yeah yeah okay um i would like to make a very personal comment actually um in response to this evening and what's led up to it i mean this is obviously an extremely painful situation that our community finds itself out finds itself in there's the human suffering that we see associated with homelessness in its many forms and virtually everyone has acknowledged that this evening uh we also see the impact and the fear uh that surrounds this issue we have a tense and divisive feeling in the community um that's disturbing to all of us and i personally find it very difficult because this is an area in which i've personally been active for many decades worked hard for the creation of the soccer field of depot park of the laudan nelson community center the high school so many of the facilities that our community so it's not just the neighborhood it's the broader community that uses these facilities and someone spoke earlier in oral communications about public spaces and town commons i know how important those are to our community so it's not just this neighborhood it's the broader community but i've also worked with this neighborhood for decades with a variety of impacts and trying to deal constructively with things like traffic party houses crime and yes there has been a very real impact of homelessness and crime not that they're intrinsically linked but they do co-occur in this area that's real we heard experiences of people going back to five and more years um that's already an issue in this neighborhood i want to speak a little bit about the context of tonight's discussion we have an urgency to act i think specifically we acknowledge that the ross camp poses extreme public health and public safety concerns we have as a city serious legal considerations to confront we have built for the first time in my memory a working collaborative relationship with the county and trying to deal with this issue and i am interested in continuing that collaborative work in a broad response to homelessness with focus on shelter transition and long-term solutions our actions in the last few months have been i think rushed and chaotic they have not given us time to focus on effective action and they have placed extreme demands on our staff who have honestly been doing their best to respond to one directive after another thrown at them it's created i think more anxiety than it needed to last week i offered some amendments to emotion that was made by mr glover he's not here my motions my amendments were intended to make a bad idea somewhat less bad that was my attempt and uh it's true that we did not have time for necessary outreach or analysis of the options that were presented to us since that council meeting i have met with dozens and dozens of residents and neighbors and those who use the facilities i say it's not just the neighbors it's the people who use the parks the the playgrounds um loud and nelson center it's it's a vast range of our community i listened to their concerns about the proposed use at lot 24 i do want to say also that your presence here tonight and your letters count we can't possibly respond to all of them but we we read them and they make a difference i realize that we cannot place a function a camp of this nature that's been proposed next in lot 24 next to the park in this neighborhood affecting all the many users i believe we have to revisit the issue and find a better alternative that includes community engagement also recent information that we've obtained from city staff and our city attorney lead me to believe that the proposal for lot 24 is even more problematical than was first described i've given this a lot of thought those of you who know me probably know that this has weighed really heavily on me this past week and i believe that for the neighborhood and all those who use the surrounding community facilities parks schools playgrounds the community center that for them we need to change course i want to acknowledge that the process to up to this point did not involve the kind of community outreach that it should have we didn't seek proper input we did not adequately engage the neighbors or the facility users before giving direction to place this camp at lot for 24 as a council member one of the most important jobs we have is to ensure community outreach and consider it and we did not do an adequate job i think it's clear to everyone that on this particular subject it's not easy but i will no longer support the action we approved last week i'm going to go ahead and pause for a second mr kandadi just want to caution the council this this is not an item on your agenda tonight yeah you cannot take action this evening however the council could direct that an item be agendized for consideration at a future meeting okay that's my next line there you have it okay and i i just yes thank you because there has been substantial commentary and unfortunately this is not an opportunity for old council to have a big discussion about this because it's not agendized so it should be agendized for consideration at a upcoming meeting it sounds like that's the direction and that's something i would be supportive of so feel free to go yes thank you and i i did want to stress some of you are familiar with our processes some not so much but we can only take action on an item that has been on a published agenda and the meeting tonight was only agendized as oral communications so we can't take action on a specific item but we can give direction to agendize something for a future meeting and that's what the city attorney was reminding us of thank you so given that i would like to make the following motion that at our next meeting scheduled for April 9th an item be placed on the agenda for the council to consider and take action on two issues first the disposition enclosure plan of the Ross camp and secondly rescind the designation of city lot 24 for a homeless site homeless shelter or camping site and that this discussion and action occur in open session okay how that's that's my motion we'll go ahead i will second the motion um and i don't want to go too far off for um to be in compliance with the brown act here on this and i just will say that i'm committed to solutions interim long-term solutions um working with the two by two as i've said in the past and um would be happy to re agendize that to affirm my initial response which was not to support that moving forward okay councilmember brown and then so i won't um repeat with my own statement the what was said by councilmember mathews i agree wholeheartedly i was i saw some of you on sunday out at the park i've had individual conversations and communications with folks that have suggested that i have similar um interests and i am going to support the motion i just want to clarify when you said for the purpose of the motion rescind yours the the motion would i don't think the appropriate language would be consider rescinding right because we're not voting tonight so it's it's simply to consider rescinding that word is in there that we could in the beginning of the census consider and take action thank you in the future thank you i just wanted to clarify that um and i think that was all i have for now i too am committed to um you know and there were a lot of people i talked with and others who have have communicated with us who do um suggest that they want to be involved in the conversation moving forward so i really want to um encourage you all to to do that and i hope that we create some spaces to have those dialogues um because we do want to work with the community as we move forward okay okay i'm looking for city attorney kandadi do you have any input on this comment i i don't believe so i i think final comments are appropriate okay but they should be directed to the motion which is to agendize agendize okay okay councillor mayne yeah i just wanted to thank everyone for coming out in your comments tonight i did not vote for the proposed depot site or the emergency declaration last week uh i feel like the focus that has taken us to this place of transitional encampments and safe sleeping areas has been rushed on this community and in my opinion that is not serving either the unsheltered population or our neighborhoods and community at this time so i am very happy with um to support the motion uh i feel like we have to stop pushing the actions on our community we need to slow things down and do the work to inform our community right now both about our efforts and um about our unsheltered population and the kinds of complexities that we as policymakers are really trying to struggle with um i appreciate everyone who wants to help us solve probably the most complex problem that we will face in a generation this is this is something i don't think our nation has ever faced and so we're one of many cities trying to trying to figure this out but i believe strongly that rushing will not get us there that we will not succeed unless we are thoughtful deliberative and communicate so many of you asked us tonight to lead and you are exactly right in asking us to do that and we need to lead collectively and i will be committed to doing that for you and i know our my fellow council members share share many of these same same objectives so thank you everybody for coming out so i want to start by thanking everyone from coming out tonight um as many of you've noticed i'm sick and i made it a point to be here um to hear from you all and to be up here to help make decisions that are important for our community um i as well didn't vote on um what was proposed last week as someone who is a soccer player or a former soccer player um i will say that um and someone who passes by that site i see how how often it's used by our community by children um i see how that area is a corridor for people to get to the beach and access some of our main tourist areas is very important for our community um so those are a number of the reasons why i didn't support the decision that was made last week um but one thing i want to point out and this is kind of touching on what people have been saying and i've been hearing over the past few weeks um is that you know Santa Cruz is inviting people to our community to um engage in the legal behavior whether that's drug use or theft and i just want to point out that this is something if there's a movie you know about seattle i just want to point out that this is also happening up and down the entire west coast and if you think about many of the major cities it's happening across our entire country i mean we are in a point right now where we have one of the worst opioid crises in our nation's history it's nothing that we've experienced before and so it is time that we have to start thinking about new solutions we also have legal constraints now that we didn't have before previously cities may may have been able to just ask homeless people to leave or make them move when they were sleeping and we cannot do that anymore that is a violation of the eighth amendment which is cruel and unusual punishment so we we cannot just think that we can push along the problem we really need for people in our community to come together and start coming up with solutions and i know that council members glover and crone aren't here but one thing i do know is that they both very much care about the homeless and they want to find solutions to this and i do think that the way that we went about first introducing these measures was rushed i think we do need more community input but that's what we're asking you for at this time we understand your frustration we hear your fears but now we need you but we brought options forward and we understand that those options aren't good for many members of the community so we need insight as to you know what some other alternatives would be and we don't have jurisdiction over what can be placed in the county i'll just put that out there so we're also working with our county supervisors to figure out where locations in the city and throughout the county and i encourage you all to reach out to them as well at this time i'm just going to go ahead and make a few final comments i too really just would echo a lot of what has been brought up by my colleagues here tonight i am committed to solutions we definitely need to think how we're going to address this really challenging situation happening in our community with our community partners with our county partners with our business sector with our nonprofit community with our faith-based community this is a societal issue that we need to look at how we can collaboratively work on together i also recognize that you know we have a very visible homeless population that we see every day for some of us that go by the gateway encampment and although a very visible population we have also a very invisible population of homelessness and in education i'm coming from an education background i want to remind you of all the number of other subpopulations of homelessness the homeless children the transitioning foster age youth in our community the sometimes hundreds and thousands of folks that are struggling in our community so yes it is a very complex issue that's going to require complex responses and it will require us all working together i also just really want to acknowledge and thank council member matthews for agendizing this to come back for reconsideration similar to council member mires i didn't originally support this as a proposal nor did i support the emergency declaration modifications i feel policy in and has to be inclusive of community input has to be founded in data needs to have a broad understanding of unintended consequences and a way to track interventions and have some accountability that's how i'd like to look at all policy decisions and for me that didn't meet that threshold and i recognize that it also caught our community by surprise and i apologize for that to you all and moving forward really will commit to working with our colleagues and our city staff and our partners to come up with more inclusive solutions at this time so clearly this is a conversation that will continue i want to thank you all for coming out this evening i realized that this was not agendized we had a very long oral communications longer than usual but i appreciate you allowing that extended time with us this evening so that we could have this conversation so at this time i will go ahead and adjourn the meeting and oh forgive me we have a motion by council member matthews seconded by myself and we'll take a vote all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay that passes unanimously with council member crone and council member glever not present this evening so now we'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting okay thank you very much