 and I want to enjoy it to tell us we've come back. So let's just take that one more time. I was about to. What does that mean? So you guys, you're back with me, Joy Mochache and Hilda Wadidhi on social Friday. Remember to hit us up on Y254 channel on Facebook, on Y254 channel on Twitter, and Y254 underscore channel Instagram and watch this stuff and so much more that happens on Y in the morning, right on YouTube on Y254 channel. So today we've been talking to two wonderful social media influencers. We've got Philip and we have Evans. And I think there's a discrepancy on their titles because he would like to be known as a social media influencer and I think you're a social media administrator. And so he was telling me, he wanted to explain the difference. Well actually, what is the difference between a social media administrator and an influencer? One second, one second, Joy, before we beat these two against each other. Cause now one is a user, one is follow for follow and the other one is a business person. So it's due to Tafanyanini, but anyway. So before we delve into that, we have the fan facts, fan facts about Twitter, which is what is showing on your screen right now. We have hashtags Friday. The name of the social network was originally Twitterer. Later changed to Twitter. I can pronounce it correctly. I can make Twitterer, every judge just say that word. Things without vowels. There are vowels there. Twitter, Twitter, Twitter. I don't know, somebody let us know, but record yourself pronouncing that. Oh, it's the bird sound. Twitter, Twitter. Yeah, see the other, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, the next one. So it took three years, two months, and one day to get to the billionth tweet. I only three years. Three years is quite a long time, but the billionth tweet. Billionth, like the billionth tweet. Wow. That is a social media website that kind of took some time to grow because Facebook was already quite dominant because Twitter came in like literally after Facebook. So people were still hung up on Facebook, just like the Instagram has showed up, and now people, I don't know, but if you guys are still on Facebook, but anyway, I think the billionth tweet after three years is late. I think Facebook has already gotten to the billionth post. The love is not too much on Twitter, yeah. But these are just fan facts. At least now we know. True, true, it's just the bad sound. Anyway, so now we have, the average Twitter user has tweeted 307 times. I think we need to ask our social media influencers. Is this true? You may tweet Marangapi. More than that. Philip, you've tweeted more than that. Can you approximate how many tweets you've done? In a day. Just approximate. In a day. Yeah. 150, 150. 150, a day. A day. Hey, you even talk more than a woman. What? But that's online, man. 150. Oh my gosh, 150. So me, five tweets a day. Five tweets a day. Because I focus on many brands than my personal account. Yeah, so maybe I'm behind the keyboard, yeah. So many. Oh, so 307 times near keyboard warriors. I don't know what to work with. Work with creation, spread the social media. Then we have one other fan fact. You have Barack Obama's victory tweet was the most retweeted tweet ever with more than 800,000 retweets. I thought it was that picture of Ellen, the generous, and Ellen the generous, and all those celebrities. And the Peter Nyong Nyong and everybody. Yeah, and I thought that was the most retweeted one. No, that is the most liked Instagram picture. Oh, okay, okay, okay. But listen, it's a tweet Barack Obama wear. That's how you know your media influencer indeed. You get the most retweets. Wow. That's a real influencer. All right, take us to the next one, Joy. Hi, the next one says 32% of all internet users are using Twitter. 32% only. I think that statistic is very honest. You're Niki Dogo. It's very honest. But that's a bit less than I thought. Maybe we need to ask her again. Is Twitter that big in your circles? I don't think it's that popular. As of compared to Instagram and Facebook. In Kenya, Twitter didn't grow. KOT didn't grow. KOT didn't grow? My first body. KOT didn't grow. My first body. So in Kenya, Twitter, Twitter didn't grow. And Twitter, I think it's so easy. Everybody wants to join Twitter. On the other hand, it took me 10 years challenge. It took me Facebook for one month to come. So out of Australia's 10 years challenge, I didn't answer. I think it's so easy. I think it's so easy. So out of Australia, I'm curious to join Twitter. I love mainstream media. But there's so much, I can't say news, but so many information from Twitter. That's true. That's very true. Actually, Twitter is a news board. Some place you can also get news. The only problem is not verifying it. And it's always alleged stories. Of course. Yeah, fake news is also very popular, which is something we'll discuss also shortly. But let's finish up with the fan facts. While the average religious leader can expect one retreat for every 500 followers, the average musician only sees one retreat for every 30,000 followers. Wow. Isn't there Zileh Matei Sodnase Manga? Why are you following me if you have no interest in liking or retweeting any of my things? I think they just want to peep. Chungulia too. What is wrong with people? Is it curiosity? What are you doing on my timeline? Coolies are too. And this is a question I've asked before in my story. Because you see, I post a picture. You've actually asked it on your story. Yes, I've ever posted it. What did Guy say? Posted it to the lot of anger. Do you remember that day? What did Guy say? I was like, excuse me, I cannot wait to snob all the people who snobbed me. And then I wrote there, including you, who is always in my story and you never like any of my pictures. And what are you doing? Why would a musician get one retreat for every 30,000 followers? What are all those people doing? What are you doing? Coolies are too. Why don't you just comment? What's the point of following them? Yes, what's the point? Maybe now, that's something we need to also ask ourselves. Followers need to know exactly. What does followers mean? Having followers, does it really mean anything? All right, I think if you're done with the fan facts, we can go back to the conversation. And now we can talk about fake news. Fake news, here we come. Fake news. You brought in the Kovikehara incident. And I'm sure there are also whole other stories that happen. But what happens on Instagram and Twitter, let's focus on Twitter, is that people come up with fake things. We even said fake usernames. And let's say, even fake accounts. I'm hearing fake accounts happen a lot. Let's say Hilda posts all her photos or something, and then I come out of nowhere and I decide I want to create an account. And I take all your photos, I post them there, and I call myself something else. And I just use your photos as me. Identity piece. Yes, yes, what's up with that? And how does someone protect themselves? How can you really protect yourself from that? Because some of those things are the ones that keep people off of these spaces. Because that can't be fake news. Everybody wants to be, those retweets. They want to break up those retweets. So everybody wants to break news. They're not journalists, they're not, they're not, they're not, they're not, they're not mass communication, they're ethics, they're ethics. So they want to break up those things. And I post it there. That's what I mean. It's not ugly. It's not an accident. People are busy on video, but also I did the victim that made the name. Cause they are, I want to take out and I'll come and post you video for retweets. Which is actually very funny. I find it's comic relief, but they make very comic situations out of some very tragic. Which is wrong? It's only, it's a comics, I'm gonna find it something light out of a serious thing, and I find it could be later. But on that occasion, some of the music will come and attack, and people should be like, come on, I'll give you very fine news. Somewhere, somewhere in Mombasa, and I got to make it, I got to make it in Westland. And I got to do it for money, but you're doing it for the retweets, which is why I'm trying to do it in big week. It's like I'm breaking, it's like I'm breaking your news. And I feel it's like I'm in a gazette, it's like I'm breaking your news. And later on, I apologize and maybe it's damaging. Which is very embarrassing, and you can cause a lot of panic. You can find yourself behind bars these days. I hear even the police are on people on Twitter. You can't just be out here tweeting carelessly. But anyway, let's talk to Philip Kotini just before we go back into the fan facts. Joy had talked about identity thieves. How do you deal with that? How do you make sure that your brand, the people who sponsor you, or the people who have put you in charge of their accounts, don't interact with these kind of issues? Because when the deputy president has so many fake accounts, just say it. There are so many people who create fake account. For example, you can find people like, for example, people can create 10 account, but it will be more than 10. 10. 10. 10. For what? For he or she want to spread the rumors. They want to incite. So they use that. Like in Mimua, for example, come on as a result of fake news, can change one, I find it to be report, block, then I don't follow them. You report? Yeah, I report. I report. I don't follow them. You're harsh. That's a good one. Report, block and follow. When you discover somebody is using a fake account, but I like the fact that he highlighted the issue of propaganda. Fake news and all that. But anyway, before we without further do, there's one more fun facts about Twitter that you guys should know. We have, that's a 78% increase in the number of heads of state and national governments on Twitter from 2011. Wow, that's good news. Which means Twitter is taking over the world and we are okay with that. Okay, I think this is very easily interpretable. We've had a lot of our leaders present on Twitter and what have you. And it has eased communication between Common Manainchi and the guys in power. So I'd like to hear, especially for you who works for state cooperation. How do you believe that Twitter has helped the leadership, you know? Okay, Twitter, as much as it can be social, it's also a customer care service. It's also a customer care, like, but I think most state corporations, yeah, I work on a media house. So media houses, you can understand them on social media, but other state corporations, they are mostly there, but for damage control. I think you understand me. Damage control. Yeah, but yeah, there's news, maybe the police of later, so very active on social media. There's an immigration department when I was active, people are getting faster news. Yes. The traditional media. Yes, lunchtime news in Nyojuwai, but in Nyojuwai. Yeah, that's right. So they are there to give facts. Mm-hmm. Those fake news that you're going to learn. Yes. So, you know, the police on Twitter join fake news. Mm-hmm. Oh. So I like that. You know, the police on Twitter. The same story. Then it's fake news. When I come out to clear the air. Like, this is fake, but this is not fake. Or to give more facts or something. So guys should actually go to the source. Go straight to the source. No, just once you see a post about something happening, somewhere, go straight to the source. You can even ask them. Ah. So in Aqaiz, mm-hmm. Because at first it was like, people were gonna follow celebs for news. Yes. You know, leaders. But in Aqaiz, it was like from the source. Like, in case of anything, you can ask Red Cross or Trade School. You know, maybe it can crack at the, I don't know, maybe the king. Mm-hmm. So, I think Twitter, you know, interaction, first-hand interaction, rather than mainstream media, I like it too. Mm-hmm. Okay, okay, okay, text, because mainstream media, the mainstream media were verified from the police, in a long process. Mm-hmm. So, the first-hand thing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, okay. It's interesting. But me, I still want to know you guys. Some Kujibile Swalins and Yuliuliza about how, how do I protect myself from unidentified people? Yes, I really don't want this thing for someone taking photos and going to pretender. Report, block and follow, but also the Twitter itself has it. But how will you know they have done it? Yeah, the main thing. The main thing. How is it? Do you want me to do it? That's if you're not active. But if you're active, when you're active, you don't have something to spread to. Well, when you're a Twitter user, apart from being a media personality, you're a Twitter user. Yeah. You don't have anything to spread to. And your friends will tell you, if you're not active, that's why I want to know. Tweet what you want to expect to tweet. If you're a news anchor, tweet about news. It's your personal space. You can tweet anything you like. But align yourself with your brand. Align yourself with your brand. Do you want to explain? You're a news anchor. Something different. It's okay. It doesn't go on the questions. I love your name, Pia. I like that. I like that you build your social media persona around your brand, around what you're doing. So that if something was ever to be posted out of the ordinary, people would have questions. And people would wonder if you could really post something like this. Okay. I love Twitter is working on it. Of late, I want a reduction of followers. Twitter purge. Like, Twitter purge. Those fake accounts. It's not a layer. Oh. Because you can have a verification using email. So if you're not using email or mobile number, that's what makes it confess to be a fake account. You can't verify your gain details. So it's not a layer. That's why you can have followers. How come they reduce? Oh, those were the fake accounts that were being reduced. Exactly. Because I also noticed how a deputy president had, like I don't know how many Twitter accounts. I was wondering. And the person who was tweeting on all those accounts was doing nothing but make vilifying everything he was doing. So the good thing is, you as a brand, make sure you follow up. Because I don't believe it's your brand. That's true. You're competing with another person on your brand. So follow up everything. I love to report on Twitter. I love what I can tell people. I get mostly follow up people when I'm a celebrity. I'm a brand. I have a lot of following. I've been on TV for the last 10 years, I have 34 followers. There's a possibility that I have 10k plus followers. I have a lot of following less. I have verified accounts. I have a lot of deputy presidents that I don't know how to say. I have verified. Now, those are the things maybe from William Sanongueza. Yes, Sanongueza is the route. So be careful. You see, you see, you see. The route with the double T. Yeah. The route with the double T. I would smell that from so far. I'd be like, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. Out of respect to our college in brothers and sisters, double T, there's no such thing. Anyway, I think we can delve into something else when it comes to Twitter and our leaders joining. Yes. Okay, let's talk about this follower frenzy. Why do we feel they need or some kind of gratification from getting many followers? Like, why does some sense of validation come from having many followers? It's like you said, some people have many followers and then they pronounce themselves celebrities and influencers and all that. Yeah, so why do we feel, why do followers validate? Why do we feel they need? But even when you talk about celebrity, before they answer, even when you're talking, let's say celebrity news or something, they always bring that in. Yeah. They always like, oh, so and so with so many followers on, with such and such followers and such and such followers and yeah, please tell us why the question is asked. What's with the validation thing? Yeah, let's start with you actually. On validation, you can have many followers, but you don't have a content. You can have many followers, but you don't have content. Okay. That is the problem. Okay. You need to have active followers and then content. Like, so why do people feel? Like, there are people who go around feeling better about themselves because they have a lot of followers. That's a question we're asking. There are people who maybe get a boost in self-esteem because they have a lot of followers. And things like these are the reasons why I don't have social media because things that mess with. You have over 60K followers. How does that make you feel? I'm sure, Hilda, Hilda, if you had over 60K followers, no, but you know, yes, there's that feeling it brings to some people. Maybe not to you, but it's that feeling it brings to some people. You know, like Hilda, she was flipping her hair, you know? Yeah, there's that feeling it brings to people. Why? Why do you feel so, why? What does that high number of followers make, do for your self-esteem, that validation? I think with different people, if you are a media personality, I'm a very musician, I'm a celebrity, you'll feel those are my followers, those are my fans. Like ... These are the loyal people. Even if they're not saying anything to you. To say so much into ... To say so much into being loyal to them is hard. I'm not like that in YouTube subscribers in Kenya. It's very hard. So, it's very hard to feel loyal to them as a public figure. But it's because of you guys. I think it's self-esteem. They're dealing with self-esteem issues. Okay, one of the followers who hang out with them is a Jew in person. So, they're not going to be in town, they're not going to be in prison. They're going to be in jail. I'm not going to be in jail, I'm not going to be in social media. So they're living their social media life. That is a big problem. I think one of them is in jail. Yes. Are you serious? Especially if they actually take their time to retweet your things and then you meet them in town and you don't recognize them. It's a problem. It's a problem. And also, I don't know why people feel the issue to feel validated or to boost, like having many followers should boost your ego. It's really shouldn't because almost 50% of those people knew Daku too, one at a footer. There are a lot of haters who have told you what to do. You know, for just lacking to see what's happening with you. So, I don't know, I personally don't think it should boost your ego. By the way, what Hilda is saying is very true. Most of those people are just there to just look, to just basically get into like, oh, I'm saying I don't need you, I don't need you. They don't want to personally share about you or something. So, be careful. Don't let that thing that it boosts you. Be, know yourself first of all before you enter that thing. Know yourself. All right. Over the last few months, so many events have been bringing KOT together. KOT are making, KOT are making a series so far. I think last year, two events are KOT Five First Side. Yes. What I mean, they're playing football out of Twitter. You are strangers. So, there's sub-unifying aspects to social media. It's turning Kenya into a small village. Yeah. There's an upcoming event, KOT, rugby sevens. So, people want to get out of that social media. But so, the fact, problem that could hang at such a time, we should meet when, so what, first meeting, you know, we're like, who will you say to Naga Gari? Who will you say to Naga Nene? The next time we're out in social media, Twitter, those 100 tweets, 100 tweets to Kona Pata, and then turn three into one. Like, KOT are also doing the real you. Oh, so is it my Kenyans on Twitter functions you may find it expose work, I'm planning for you both. So, all I want to do when you're doing it, I'm going to be like, deep, deep, deep. I'm going to tweet, I'm going to talk, I'm going to dip, Kibera, when you're salty. Could you have your Kenyans on Twitter functions to join in on you? I'm going to do at least to join all these people. So, I'm going to be like Matusi. Come, let's meet. Let's meet, tell us what's wrong. I'm asking, what's wrong? And then there are those people who will abuse you online and then meet you and be like, they've met so stashed. Oh, you know, you're so beautiful. They need, I'm like, wherever it's in you, I'm going to look up at you guys, but they need to understand celebrities sometimes and they come off as very rough because some people have really done a number when it comes to what he's saying. Like, sometimes it's hard to ignore. You know, we're all human at the end of the day. Oh yeah, some people have put some comments out there which are harsh. Yes. Until you're just like, guy. Let me tell you my best person on Twitter. Huda, where you at? Huda. Why is she your best? Tell me why. Let me tell you why Huda is my best celebrity on Twitter. Huda, there's a time she was being trolled, yeah? You know, Kenyans on Twitter, people were abusing, they were on a mission when it came to Huda. Huda responded to, and she still continues to respond to each and every tweet. So the way you have come, that's the way she comes at you. That's what I was telling you, like sometimes it's difficult to ignore. Like Huda would have to say apart, it's trending she's being abused, but it's also trending how she's abusing people back. So she can't, she can't leave it alone. I don't know, I find that so entertaining. So she gives it back to you. Yes. The best thing? That's your tea hot. The best thing you can find, maybe you are trolled and you are, mostly women. Yes, ladies, yes. Or you are trolled. So the best thing you can find, the moment you're angry with someone, you win as well. So the best thing. But do you know people stopped insulting her? Like they actually stopped. Like her comebacks were so bad, so ruthless, they stopped. You know what I'm saying? I like what Naniya, I don't know what she's saying. Like, even if I post, I don't know what she's saying, I would say, I don't know what she's saying. I don't know what she's saying. I feel like, I don't know what she's saying, I don't know what she's saying, but here we got a bloke. And a sub to Tiako, with her very fun comments. So one end up like, rather than you would go and, each she changes you. So we're so much like, newer. Mm-hmm. We're second man, more shounzing. Who that declare as well there, she doesn't like. Even this lady, John Legend's wife as well. Chrissy Tigen. Chrissy Tigen. Ah, that chick is harsh man. Even how she comes for you. Yes. Do you know people stopped? Like, there's some people who've managed to put, some celebrities who've managed to put the fear of God in their whole world. You don't just, before you come to insult somebody, you're like, why he'll come back and it's a good job, but let me just. You think twice. Mind my own business. So, can you tell yourself, the defense in it has come through? When it comes to brand, damage control, in a, in a community like, at some point maybe it's a media house. You're going to treat it differently and you're going to treat it. So, what they believed in that, but the fact that the truth is outside there, but the different, it's about what I think we'll now treat. Yes. Maybe France, Machinda, and anything. Yes, yes. So, what to, outside there, we're going to treat the truth because it's in football match, but treating it differently, it's the opposite. So, the good thing you're putting up with you, maybe you treat as that brand concern. But so, when the, when the head come be, come be your, maybe your workers would say, do you treat, do you want to be able to sorry, do you want to be able to, it happens. That doesn't the best way to go. Just tell sorry with your, be able to say now. Say sorry once with the brand. With the brand name. And after that, the other thing, what else how, it's a show media then, everyday, see something, see something. That is true. But the more, when you're able to sorry, it'll happen as a boy. When you're able to sorry, seven. Boy. And at the thing. When you're perpetuating, perpetuate the issue. So we want to find out more. Twitter is a, it's fast. So in a move to, across the new to come. So now we've talked about brands. We've talked about personal issues on Twitter and everything. Can we talk about the financial side? Yes. That's right. Can we talk about the financial side of Twitter? I need to know something as a social influence and a social administrator. Is there any financial gain to having maybe a lot of followers on these things? And the financial gain. How does someone go about getting it? Because I have followers. Yeah, but I'm not getting anything. I'm not getting a single shilling. But these people will get money. How does it work? And how does it get to that point? Please explain. So me. Feel free as well, Phillip. Twitter pays my bills. Twitter pays your bills. It pays my bills. This is what I need to know about. It pays your school fees. Give me the secrets, boy. Give me the secrets. Give me the secrets, man. And everyone else is watching. So as Pavenin said at first, you're a brand on yourself. Approach those, you're an influencer. You're not an administrator. Approach those companies. Hiya. To kind of get me, I said. Yeah. Ah, hello, Baidi. I'm gonna have to make a conversation to my own guest, Anna. She called me a while ago. He's such a messor, Anna. Paparazzi. Muna tuto mea. Muna tuto mea. Watcha to go and follow us, boy? See you. Hey. Hey, hey, hey. Pleasure to be here. Come back, then. Unless you're gonna get a surprise. I know you didn't know I'm coming. Carry the sun out. That's a very important thing in Nongelia. It's something that really affects us. And I find that sometimes even jobs that was the julekani. That's true. Because of that. The guys, the guys when you're on a julekana, they want to, they don't do anything. Yes. So we're seeing the topic also means something to you. Trust, you meet, really means a lot to us. You know, sometimes in a patapio, we concentrate so much on arts. But what we believe in, I think these people are supposed to work together. But when the bloggers and the, and then it really affects us. It's a point that also matters. Yes. Oh. I'm glad you're here, Lakini. Yes, my dear. Still looking great, still looking healthy. Asanta. Baka umeshika too. That's even the skin. Even the skin is looking nice. My digi. Hadi, you cannot just walk into our head and then come and join our conversation. What is happening? What stops me? Okay, okay. Guy, hi. What is protocol? Protocol, where are you? Protocol mukawapi. I'm going to do it like Uthadu. So, Uthadu. Okay. I'm in my third drop, I'm in my third drop in my living room seat. Now I'm here. Okay. So they also pick up my hashtags. It's like, why couldn't you do it? Yeah, this is your second home, so there's no need even to ask. Just walk on in. Mm-hmm. I accept the rude entrance. I like it all. Of course, there's something that they make a map now to a release. Juicy Juicy. It's called Shawaikul and Jugu and it's very powerful and you don't have to run it. Actually, I was going to ask you, I'm seeing someone else also wants his on your maxing. They said, just come. It's too late. The entrance is in Shaka Amperu. Who's that? Yes. So for the first time, to not pray, not for the first time, but you know I'm a food ambassador. So this time round, this time round it's about the 20th sector and Jugu. Go ahead, go ahead. Come and carry that. The sector and Jugu, they're just Jugu does a lot of things. You know. Just say, I'm a kid to me. Juko, hooko. Yes, yes. Khabisa, khabisa, khabisa. So, I'm the latest release. It's called Jugu. Of course, it's called YouTube. So to say, I study. So I'm better than anyone. So I'm better than anyone. But then because it's already decided that I'm going to arrive earlier to be able to have everything for July. Taken from August 1st August 1st and a late March Day three, March 2nd, February 24th. Semi-final date. I'm telling you the drama sound. Okay, okay, so as our Basi, it's about time we release our guests today. And then we remain here with Paddy and Jugu boy. Yes, the Shaikulan Jugu. Shaikulan Jugu. So you're releasing them for us? Yes. Imagine, even me I'm bouncing, imagine. I'm going to dance here in the corner, and then you may feel like making a rude entrance since I'm rude in Kuayangu. I will do that. Thank you very much. Yes. Yes, Valentine is coming up right next with Paddy and Jugu boy. But Evans and Philip Koti, thank you so much for coming and having a conversation about swearer here on Social Friday. Swearer, I'll never say to each other the same way, you know? Alright. Jugu Tende Kaze.