 hit record now and that way those people who haven't been able to join us will at least be able to catch up. So welcome everybody. I wanted to do this on behalf of the Open Education SIG and that's the special interest group supported by ALT as a sort of follow-up to OER 22 to give us a chance to sort of mull over and give feedback and comment on how that conference went. It was a groundbreaking conference really because it's the first time that we'd had a hybrid conference and wouldn't it be lovely to say you know we're all back face to face and I know these decisions are really really difficult when you're a conference organiser but I think ALT made a very brave decision to have a hybrid conference and have a day when some people could get together. Leo, great to have you here. Thank you for joining us. So I'm going to start with Catherine actually because I know she was able to join the face to face day and Leo as well and you know anybody else who was there for the day, let's have your reflections and have your thoughts. How was it to actually meet up with people again? I must admit the Twitter photos look totally joyful. It was fabulous to see. Thanks Teresa and I hope Leo chimes in as well. Lovely to see you and to see everyone who's here. In one word I would say that it was actually really moving to be in a room with people together and I think you know Marin when she kicked things off and Martin when he spoke on behalf of the co-chairs I think we're just acknowledged the sensitivity that people feel around an individual choice about whether you're ready to go back to meet online or not, whether you're able to do that or not. So there was a lot of care and sensitivity I think around A organizing it the way they did and then even on site how things were. So there was a low density of people, the things were run really carefully but it was positively joyful to be in the same space as people and then you know obviously we were interacting with you Teresa and with so many people online while we were all together which is a feature of OER conferences typically but in this case you know there were much fewer people at the conference and more people online I thought. I also have to say that it was really exhausting and I don't know if it could have done three days in person because you know meeting socially having a day together and then you know meeting socially after that day was quite a lot in addition to you know a packed program. We're not used to it anymore. We are not used to it anymore. That's quite interesting. Leo I think I've seen other people post similar things that that actually we spent so long not socializing or socializing a very limited way that we perhaps are more aware of just how demanding face-to-face contact can be where the conversations have often been around how demanding it is to interact online but when we've only been interacting online for maybe over a year two years even getting back to the face-to-face reminds you I'm sure of all the sort of things that you've forgotten that you take for granted you know you're watching people's body language interacting with people what do you say when? It was definitely you know I would say overall more wonderful than difficult. I loved being back at the face-to-face OER conference but I think it was also brilliant to do kind of the three different modes over the three days. I thought that worked really well to give a range of ways to engage and participate and having the Discord channel kind of running alongside as well was really nice. Some of us were at the Gojianne meeting the day before the conference so it was actually kind of a four-day extravaganza for me and I had five presentations over the four days so that was kind of intense but it was great. Yes it was good to see and I think the Gojianne steering of the conference was really in evidence. I'll just do a quick reminder I know many of you by now are very familiar with being in Blackpool Collaborate but I need to just show that screen so do interact however you would prefer. So there's no obligation to put your camera on or your mic on but do feel free to grab it when you're chiming and well done later on surviving that number of presentations as well. I've also set up a little Google Doc that is completely open and editable so if you do have thoughts that you want to put in feel free to edit, add questions, I've only just put a few questions that I thought of so feel free to add your own questions and to interact with us however you prefer. The open-ed sig just a quick reminder of what we're here for. I think supporting role is an important one we're very much here to you know if you want to make connections and you don't know where to start then you know do get in touch with us I'll also pop the link up to our website. There are two committee members in here with me now so both Therese and Deb are very active in the open-ed sig and you know there's a network here what we try to do is to keep up with this huge network and go to and obviously is very part a very important part of that. We look to develop an influence and develop I think sort of Chinese back to the point that Lorna makes in her blog post you know it's it's it's lovely to have these get to get together every year but it's important that we don't just keep going over the same territory we look at how we move forward and what we do and I know Leo is very crucial in that and have you have the others not here there are there's a lot of great work that goes on in this community. We generally record our webinars because they provide a great bank of information hopefully that's abuse to the wider community things that are going on within the community. We look to ALT actually to sustain what we do because they provide us with the space and the technologies in order to interact the way we are but we look obviously to support open education policy and obviously look out for those unintended consequences. Yes and Leo yes absolutely I did want to remind you to mention that I know Leo's continuing with his PhD data collection so yeah if you're looking for a survey you know you'd be really grateful if you can contribute to that. So that's a little bit about generally what the open edsig is we don't have a membership list you don't have to join the open edsig we are open to everyone we have and you'll see this on our open edsig space we do have the just mail this you can join and we're also active on Twitter and you can follow our blogs and you can make blog posts if you wish to we have a blog area so if you've got a topic you want to make available you're very very welcome to blog for us and the next two slides really were just a way of using some of these wonderful graphics that Brian Mathers put together for OER 22 to remind us of the wonderful penguins I do love the dev I think they're absolutely marvellous. T's joined us too well done thank you I know this isn't probably the best of times in some parts of the world for people to join but it's good to have you here and physically have you present although many of you I know have been present in the in the discord channel which remains open. So a quick reminder of some of the things that we talk about as a community drawing penguins was a brilliant idea I love these penguins um yes yes they do they do Rosemary that's so true it's it's kind of there's something about animals representing things isn't there that that's kind of pulls on your emotional engagement which is which is lovely oh Deb okay that explains a lot I've been able to to grab your screen right oh and T's brought a good supply of penguins so it is spring and I think spring gives us hope and one of the reflections that I've seen going through Twitter and I think it's really important what happened here I'm going to embarrass her was that the OER 22 conference reminded us of just how important the Galway conference was to keep us hopeful we didn't know it obviously at the time but the the Galway conference was the last face-to-face I think I'm writing saying before we went into the pandemic and if that hadn't been such a powerful conference and again there I could only participate online but it the the vibes that came from that wonderful conference were very much present through social media and it helped us to keep that feeling of community going so big big thank you and if I could send well I can send you a virtual but it was so powerful and so positive as Leah rightly says really really important to have that to sustain us for what we didn't know at the time would be a long time away I love the little zoom well-being graphic we've got here as well I hope you've got your lunch or a drink and you're joining us without having to add too many stresses to your day and I hope that certainly as I do whenever we get together as a community this session today is just charging your batteries to yes I'm so glad yes and I like you I'm going to spend quite a while revisiting the recordings and yeah Leo I really feel for people I've now retired so I don't actually have to teach online as well but I know people are being called in directions and scream burn I'm sure is taking a toll so the wonderful thing for me that's why I put the graphic right in the middle is the fact that we are open in action I loved it so much I got the bag with it on this is really important that you know believing in open is one thing but how do we enact it and Catherine has shown us our situation our context may impact on that but the important thing is that we're doing something so yeah I'd really love it if anybody wants to tell us what they're doing at the moment to move open forward please do grab a mic and tell us what open in action means to you how did it perhaps impact on pedagogy during the crisis we had was there a particular session maybe in OER 22 that you found really helpful I'd love to know so perhaps we can turn our focus to that oh yes and Leah do please do tell us a bit about your context for your survey I guess I guess that this in some ways is a appropriate answer to the question of what am I doing to enact openness as well so my that's really my my key focus in terms of PhD at the moment is is trying to get the word out about the about my survey it's a aimed at recruiting participants around the world so that's going to be I think that's that's going to be a challenge but one that I'll keep chipping away at and trying to find creative ways of getting people getting in touch with people in further flung countries of the world right don't necessarily know no people that I can tap on the shoulder virtually or via Twitter and but really what my focus in the PhD is on institutional policies and how these interact with with open educational practices in that are happening in the institution so it's not necessarily it's not necessarily for only for people who work in an institution where you have an open education policy in a kind of formal sense or in a kind of standalone way it could it could be about whatever whatever policies you have in your institution that have an impact on the extent to which people feel enabled to engage in open practices or whatever they feel that those practices are really not supported or they're constrained in some some kind of way by policy and and and really I'm looking for people with you know who just have a kind of an interest in open education through to people who are really really involved in it and even people who maybe are involved in making some of the policies ultimately the next phase that I'll move on to is interviewing some people who are involved in making policies so that will be really and then the kind of original kind of starting point for the research has been looking at kind of exist existing evidence of policy not necessarily policies like open education policies because the more that I've looked into it the less that I found that those necessarily exist as a standalone thing but so it will be kind of a combination of what sort of policies are there and what are they saying and what are they trying to achieve what do kind of stakeholders members of staff that work in institutions think about think about the policies of their own institution and then what are policy makers trying to do when they're making these policies as well so that that's a kind of a clear enough overview of what it's about and and do encourage anyone you think would be a good survey respondent to respond thanks so much that's brilliant you know and I think that's it is such an important area isn't that and the unintended consequences of policies and sometimes it's just the ethos of an institution that you're working with that may be pushing back against you doing certain things and so you know really do feel free to follow up on that survey and yeah encourage others and share it as widely as we can as well we've got participants here today from several different countries so let's hope that it can be spread through their networks too thank you so much for joining us Gemma I know you're out on Ibiza so perhaps we can cover off those those areas and we've got Berlin represented here as well so that's wonderful we use your networks to support Leo's investigations thanks so much no thank you thanks for coming and is there anything you if you want to tell us about your research I know you're still working away on a PhD as well but you may I'm not sure if Deb's has my oh yes hi everybody um sorry I've been using lots of different systems today and my computer's just like gone I don't know what we are what we're doing where we are hello everybody um oh it's so nice to see everybody it really is um yeah my um my research um I've actually very recently had my confirmation approved finally um so I'm just in the process now of getting my my ethics and I'm hoping to hear back about that this week so um I'm looking at um basically how people experience social support um within private social networking site channels so and the kind of impact of that on wellbeing but I'm really interested in how people how people's behaviour and practices particularly open practices can help with all of this kind of stuff so um yeah it's been a long time coming and pandemicy and all that kind of stuff so um I'm I'm hopeful just to get cracking on it now and um so I'll be doing some um some uh interviews with um with people in various um networks that I'm part of and my methodology kind of puts me in the middle of all of that so I'm using my own kind of experiences as well so yeah and then with um with with go gn as well what I'm hoping to do is is because the thing is with with open practice what I'm kind of what I'm assuming is is that people are actually engaging in a lot of open practice but may not necessarily call it that or may not kind of have something to hang it on that kind of thing so I'm suspecting and a lot of that stuff will kind of come out of it so um yeah go gn has been um you know absolutely instrumental to it because I'm hoping that I would get some participants from the go gn group as well so um and obviously we communicate you know with a whatsapp group and that kind of thing so it kind of fits really well with um with my stuff but yeah it feels really good to be able to say hey I've moved forward finally that's brilliant I think that's great and it's lovely to hear your an energy as a result of that that's that's brilliant my final slide and I didn't mean to particularly have slides but I wanted to share these graphics because it's so wonderful and I hope some of you as well had some fun with the remixer um it's sort of you've led into this final slide very neatly really open research open textbooks I think Lorna makes a great point in her blog post about open textbooks and how they kind of um can lead us thinking about OER being nothing but open textbook creation um and that isn't the point so I think there's things for us to think about there um it's great to have open textbooks and greater use of open textbooks certainly is a cost saver for students and for institutions alike so there should be plenty of really great reasons why we're making open textbooks and sharing open textbooks um but I know I know Viv's not with us but Viv uh it was hugely influential in the open movement I spent a lot of time looking at how open textbooks became the focus of open education conferences in the US so there's perhaps kind of a a warning sign for us let's not make it all about open textbooks um you know what about the little OER and as I've just mentioned about practice open practice how do you support people getting involved and thank you Catherine for that link as well yes I think there were some really great blog posts that were shared through OLD in the run-up to the OER conference lots of shared lessons learned very very important to actually have these captured and to make people aware of them as well because you know blog posts sometimes get a little bit of a peek when they're first released and then disappear oh okay thanks Catherine um those you know it's really quite important that we have an opportunity to revisit there's so much to revisit I think there's probably a good year's worth of work actually shared quite openly and increasingly openly through the the R22 conference I know that not everything has been migrated yet but the videos will be shared openly um and the materials there and of course conversation in discord as well that wild card did anybody go to some wild card sessions anybody got anything to tell us about how they got on with the wild card sessions did anybody run a wild card tea yes yours was a wild card session tell us about it can you hear me Teresa yes yes we can yes and I'm glad you got your your wi-fi is holding up today somehow my my earphones I'm working so I'm hearing you're just from the commuter you're kind of very far but yeah so mine mine was a wild card because it was well it was a pundit you know when I think it was dad who said there's a lot of open work being done but people don't cut the grass under open ed so mine was around using of creativity and flashcards so you always everybody who's on the call you're welcome to send pictures but it just needs to be pictures of your own national digital inequality and my session was specifically to highlight uh because I think there was a large focus at the start of the pandemic and even like in the middle of the pandemic with your institution that have not caught up with with digital inequality are on the topic so many people have heard digital inequality for the first time intersectionality and all these things but I want to continue to have this conversation because this conversation has been there before the pandemic but somehow yeah we've been lucky that more and more people have talked about it but then it doesn't become it it they're not included in their practice it doesn't take time to reflect on how they can improve what they are teaching or how they're teaching particularly which platform they are teaching like things like um there are still people demanding of you know what guns being on not understanding that uh studio to a stack for working remotely may not have the greatest bandwidth and things like this so I think it's that it's a conversation to continue especially if we are to have I don't know some institution are going with hybrids some are saying they are going with blended whichever mode they are definitely the new normal is not the normal that we knew before the pandemic so that's a bit about my project but I did attend a few other sessions as well I'm still catching up because I I joined only in the virtually so I'm catching up where we're recording I managed to catch up with the plenaries of day one so now I was just a bit catching up with with the ones that I missed uh today from day one but yeah it was it I think why it can't always useful because they they have this element of introducing other research and other work that we may not explicitly think um you know in the hardcore in the category but yeah I've totally enjoyed uh being part of the comedy as well this time I really enjoyed meeting you I've followed you on Twitter for a while and it was really lovely to actually be part of your session see and I think the wonderful thing about the the community as well is the fact that you know we can pick up these conversations and return to them I really wondered about whether um you know in some cases it would be helpful uh to encourage us to re-engage with those sessions by maybe exactly as you put it it's read my mind to to follow each other on Twitter and to find sort of almost study buddies really so if you know if you've still got things you want to look at or resources you want to look at you could connect with somebody and say okay well let's look at them together and let's then meet up and have a chat about them and I just think it's so helpful sometimes to talk things through with people so that you know the more we connect and it doesn't have to be through formal networks like ogn or um even the open eds sake but if we make those connections in the wild as it was in any sort of social uh space we can continue those conversations I know well I hope Deb and I will be back in touch once we get our badges for a badge from the OER 22 um a book group yeah like a book group something like that where you could actually sort of say okay well I'm I'm particularly going to dig into you know the policy the text book be effective um you know anybody else like to meet up and have a chat about that because once people get a deadline you actually put it in your diary and you agree that you're going to do something and you know someone else is going to be talking to you you're far more likely to do it um otherwise I'm sure I'm particularly guilty of this I end up with an endless to-do list and we'll need the sort of top things that pop up get done um and the rest can stay on the list for quite a long time so oh gosh okay clever puns you you're shooting ahead Deb I'm I leave you to that penguins and buddies buddy penguins yeah brilliant so it's so good to hear from you and to get your input as to your experiences I'm going to I'm going to play devil's advocate a little bit because I'm hearing so many really positive things about the hybrid nature of OER 22 my view is perhaps a little bit tainted by the fact that you know a I couldn't participate risk participating in the face-to-face because I'm a carer for a very elderly parent so I couldn't do that yeah I came in with my usual sort of yay it's OER 22 on the first day and of course I couldn't actually reach to OER 22 until I got into Twitter so it made me very aware of how important that network was to me in order to actually have the conversations but I didn't really get into the kind of flow that you would get into in a physical conference when you're there with people and talking to people it took a couple of days to do that did anybody else feel that was it just me yeah no I was going to say Theresa that that was my only kind of just slight disappointment you know is that as a virtual only participant we didn't have access to the kind of hello we're here this is this you know the conference has started and and that was a bit flat for me because I suppose I just expected it to be there and it's that kind of thing so yeah that did kind of fall a little bit flat and and the same in the fact that when the online only day like the the synchronous one you know when that happened I kind of expected there to be a hello everybody at the beginning of that and that was you know that maybe that's just my my kind of mis mis mis mis interpretation of stuff but you know that doesn't take away anything from you know the running of the conference and everything you know but because it's very difficult to kind of you know get these pull these things off and obviously yeah it's the first time that we've had to do that kind of thing isn't it you know try and cater for for everybody but um that was the only kind of thing that I would I would say um I'm so relieved to hear you say that because like you know I'd really thought well everybody else seems to be having a great time but I'm kind of oh I'm not really kind of feeling it in the same way yeah and I wonder whether it was more to do with as you say that sort of when we were totally synchronous on that totally synchronous day like I was exhausted I was really exhausted by the afternoon I had to you know take a break from the screen because I kind of felt I perhaps because the anticipation had built up to such a point that I wanted to grab everything and I couldn't so it's about managing expectations as much as anything else yeah yeah and yes I definitely got lost on day one I went I went to the help and said am I supposed to be seeing this yeah good just grab your mic too if you want to trip in please do yeah I really appreciate you both saying that this is Catherine speaking um Teresa and Deb and um I didn't realize until the day before day one day one was not going to be live streamed you know because as you know it usually is and I I know that was clear online but I think I was just super busy beforehand and um I do think it's probably a point in time because it was the first one back that they're going to do it like that and I believe the reasons were a because they were really trying to have low density on day one so they didn't have like a filming crew and you know all of that and secondly I think that was a recognition of just how much all of us have been trying to do all the channels all the time for the past two years you know trying to have people in the room online and so on and in the old days we did that quite seamlessly but I think there's just a level of exhaustion now so when I realized that the one in person day was not going to be recorded it um I was so relaxed yes because I thought oh okay I don't have to have the mic for the room and the mic for the you know the camera and all that kind of stuff and it was the first time that had happened in such a long time but again I don't think we're going to be worried about these things hopefully about you know densities and rooms and all of that kind of thing maybe even next year you know it'll be different again so it was possibly just a transitional program structure I would suggest yeah I'm totally with you on that Catherine I think I took on it quite a bit of learning for myself because I clearly hadn't read the email that spread you know sort of put explained everything or at least I had read it but I hadn't taken it in I hadn't quite understood so I was you know expecting to watch um Brian's opening uh every box and things but but a totally thing that not um sort of like streaming that was completely valid and it makes sense because you know wherever or however you're participating you want to have that experience and of course it just meant that I waited a day and then I did watch it and it was lovely to do that um so you know I think the efforts made were and the care that you've already mentioned Catherine that had been taken I fully appreciate new ways of doing things aren't we yeah it doesn't detract you know from the the loveliness of the conference you know because you once you kind of found the conversation that was going on somewhere and um you know although there was a little bit of oh I wish I was there with those photographs I really want to be there a bit of a bit of FOMO going around I'm sure for all of us let's but then that you know if anything that just reminds us of how important we are to each other as well and how you know how lovely it will be when we can all get back together again in the same place exactly right um I can I pop back in Teresa because this I think this is such an important important conversation and see you Leo um the you know certainly a decision I've made is that I'm not going to do anything like the number of conferences that I did before nothing like it you know I think that the only one I'm doing this this year that I know of is was the OER conference um and so I think that that what you just mentioned about FOMO will be a lot of us will be feeling that you know so we'll have a precious few events that we may go to and we'll really enjoy those and the rest of the time it'll be back to you know to being online again so you know just that sensitivity that gives to all the different modes presenting and the people who are there and people who are not there is really important so so yeah really appreciate hearing hearing your experiences today thank you Catherine and and as ever I mean for me certainly though my my highlights were having conversations with you around sort of sharing links of things that we've done in the past with it and just reuniting that healing of community um they were total highlights and they you know they make you realise just how precious this community is um so yeah I'm hoping that newbies people who were new to the conference and came for the first time are also aware of that and I think that's really why it's important that we continue to connect and we either log or we share um as the resources come out through social media so that those people perhaps who are new to OER22 can continue to engage with all that wealth of resource and material and community that that is there takes a while doesn't it just a process all of this it was such a rich conference and as T has already mentioned you know it takes time just to work your way through the material definitely hi Teresa I think you might be on mute oh yes I can give you over here you do talking to myself again feel free to put your back on um and uh join us tell us what you're thinking about you put your hand raised there or just pop something into the chat oh hi can you hear me yeah I'm a little my bandwidth is playing so I'm just going to put feedback um there but yeah I I was going to say I really love hybrid because that was the only way for me to join and I think we've probably got a lot of people because of that and um yeah I'll just because my turn that I'm just going to fill in the sheet that you've sent that's great thank you yes and we appreciate it's obviously tricky with the bandwidth or even um energy supply is a problem um and yeah I think that it's a great idea obviously to have the um conference online and to have this hybrid mode as well it's a great sort of transition to what maybe will become something more um more physical more more in person in the future as things improve um anybody have any concerns and things they'd like to raise with us for for future conferences anything um feedback that you have on how you see the way forward for the area community I'm I just like to raise um that I'd like to see us reach out more to students um I personally find that working together with students in creating learning materials and research is fantastic and um and yeah and it's always kind of hard with these conferences that are that are you know geared towards academic staff um yeah I don't know maybe like with students we kind of have to think ahead or do some special additional outreach or a theme that specifically staff student partnership or something like that I just think it could be very fruitful you're absolutely right to raise and I've been involved just recently with future teacher and we did so we did some webinars recently where students presented their work on um um uh polling and uh it was really really interesting the the and the the quality of the research and the way they delivered it was 100 professional it was brilliant um but to get sort of use of perspectives if you like on these um open technologies that we're or technologies that we're using because of uh the pandemic um is it's just so valuable we need to know how people are experiencing these things um of course it's not just students it's it's other practitioners as well that's why it's so useful to hear from tea um but yeah wouldn't it be great to have a bit of a student student led even um right I'm adding that to our list as a as a to-do I think that's really important and thanks to us for raising it it's really really important that we involve and it would kind of we don't mean to be um you know sort of off-putting for students but we have to be realistic but it's it's a it's the difficult engagement sometimes and we have to find ways of making it uh easier from lowering those barriers to participation to get students involved excellent thank you Rosemary yes I'm just going to read that to you yes and attendance is you know how can we show up if we don't have it online it's it's so helpful uh and I'm sure certainly in the case of where we are but the online option will will stay on participation and I think perhaps I mean I don't know maybe because I'm outside of an institution now perhaps institutions have now um and I hope others are getting this feeling have realized that actually the online isn't um isn't necessarily a worse option it can be every bit as important and um and as well executed as we've seen um in many networks yeah and the budget is important to us increasingly so in the UK of our energy prices go up yeah yeah Teresa um yeah I'll just add one more thing it just you know you're giving this lovely space to reflect and think and I really appreciate everyone's comments there and Rosemary what you just said really resonates as well and I just think you know as we're thinking about conferences and events for the future we we have a kind of a real and true advantage as as open educators and open practitioners I think and it's not just because we've had open events in the past and we know how to integrate these digital and open practices but you know as open practitioners we really ground what we're doing in values so you know we you know we really foreground the fact that we do our work you know with critical global and social justice perspectives that's why a lot of us work in open so in thinking about how we might run events in the future that's the approach we need also isn't it it's just it was leading with those values and and I did feel that and you've just helped me kind of be explicit about it because you know I chose to go to the OER conference more than a few other open conferences that are going on because I knew the values of that community I knew it would be run really carefully and sensitively and so on so possibly that's something that we all can do you know with all the kind of events and things that we're involved in is just really lead with those values and help others maybe to do that too and you're doing that here Teresa so thank you no thank you for thank you for making that explicit because I think it's really really important isn't it um those shared values need the drivers for what we do and that critical reflection that every time we make a choice as to whether we are upholding those values is is really important and that's really where Teresa as you say you know getting student feedback in in that process is really important because you know sometimes we with the best will in the world we enact our values in a way we feel they will be received positively but maybe we get sometimes we get things wrong and pointing the finger definite myself I think you know sometimes we we make assumptions and we need to know we need to let people surface really and how they're receiving what we're doing and you know help them to improve what we do too yeah thank you thank you so much I'm going to sort of draw us to a conclusion and because I know you're going to be dashing off and I hope I hope you've had a chance to breathe I hope your batteries are recharging I I have sort of washing cleaning cooking to go back to so I'm not doing anything terribly demanding for the afternoon and it's been an absolute joy to get together with you and Catherine to see you and Deb and everybody here to see your faces has made a huge difference to my day so thank you all so much for that and do take care do stay well and oh yeah I'll just flag up that we we have a I know we are a SIG we have an open ed SIG and anti racism SIG combined session and the webinar that's actually going out through Alt this is a CPD webinar so do look out for that and join us and I'm absolutely sure that intersectionality will be there so yes do come and join us for that and look out and yeah thank you all so much thank you so much for coming and taking time out of busy lives and busy days to share your reflections and long may it continue let's continue to connect thank you all so much for coming bye see you soon take care thank you bye everyone thanks everybody thank you thanks for coming bye Deb good to see you how are you oh lovely to hear your voice