 We always kind of said, give it a go Tom, you know, and then we did the prep around it in a way and tried to kind of find the best way to kind of support you to do those things, even though they were a challenge. I think that was the good thing about you is you would always give it a go. Well, you mean you taught me from a UNH gift to give it a go. We always said have your autism in your pocket kind of thing if you need it but don't say I can't do it because just give it a go, you know, if you don't want to, you don't want to but just try it. So it feels like a lot of parents, a lot of people kind of go to the two extremes, the river like they can't do anything so we're not going to expose them to it or they're like they have to do everything that's expected of them and they have to do all these things and if they don't do it then that's a bad thing and that they should be punished or they should be, you know, whereas with you, you know, growing up with you as my mum it was kind of like I was exposed to that stuff but then if I needed to I could exit and it wouldn't be like an expectation or an issue that I couldn't cope with it. I think that that's the kind of dynamic that really works for me because I still got the experience of it but then I felt safe enough to exit if I... Because quite often we'll say to kids, right, if we're going to commit to this we're going to do it week after week. Yeah, week after week, you have to. Actually it doesn't work with children, maybe with my younger son it did but not with you, Tom. So yeah, absolutely. But I also recognise that some parents will really struggle with their children with autism going to activities and doing things like that because maybe you're on your own, maybe your child has no sense of danger and that kind of thing and that is tricky so I do recognise you can't always do that with your children. No, but it's about the adjustments though, isn't it? It is doing something that challenges, I'm a little bit. It's not so exposing that it just causes them to find life just overwhelming. Yeah, because life is life and you have to have little tasters to know that actually I know how this is going to go so the next time I do it whether I like it or not, I know how predictable it's going to be and eventually I'll be able to cope with that because I know about that and that experience, all that sensation and I can deal with it. It kind of things get worse before they get better I guess and it's riding it down sometimes. I hope you guys can hear me okay. You're doing great, doing great. It's an awful voice to listen to for a letter. Well, I mean, going a bit further because I know we were talking about how it was hard to get me support. Like in an ideal world, what would you have wanted for me or what do you think would have been helpful either from the school or from mental health systems? I would have wanted a coordinated team around you and others as a family that were trained in autism, that were trained in sensory, were trained in mental health. So it's not kind of one-size-fits-all kind of got had the chance to get to know you and kind of fed that back into school and into the family as well. So it was more joined up. I think that would have worked better. And also I think which is really powerful and particularly in schools is bit of awareness. And other kids, you know, so you identify this child as being bullied for whatever reason and just give them a voice or being their voice to say, this is the reason why this is what you can do to help. This is what you could do to support and kind of turn it on inside a little bit. So I saw something else that I found with my teaching as well. This is so powerful. I've done embroidery schools before with teachers. The child has always become more powerful and kind of has the voice that is able to change things because while they're not, they're able to tell their story and what they find difficult if their children are aware then they don't. It's kind of more normal. I hate to use the word, but more normalised. It just becomes accepted, you know, and accepted. That's the thought that they really... I think it would have been really good for me to have like a role model that was autistic that, you know, like when I went into schools and seen the kids and stuff. Because no program, there was no films, nothing. There was Rain Man. Wasn't there? And that was it. So everybody thought everybody that was autistic behaved like Rain Man. That's just not the case. It's very stereotypical. But even just someone that I could... Who was older, who was doing stuff that I wanted to do and had their life sorted and their adjustments sorted in daily life and just someone to talk to about being autistic I think would have been really helpful. But I think a lot of autistic people... We just have such a hard time in life. It's hard for us to get into those positions where we're able to be active role models for kids. And I think it's changing overall, I think. It's taking a while, isn't it? But I think it is changing. I think kids are kind of looking, you know, and finding their place easier, you know, with some more diversity. But it's taking a long time cooking, isn't it? Yeah. There's so much work that needs to be done for preparing autistic kids for manipulation and bullying. I don't know exactly how the best way to go about doing that is, but I think it definitely needs to be tackled because we know that long-term anxiety in formative years leads to development of depression and mental health. It does. You know, it's something that really needs to be tackled. And I think that bullying and social isolation and the sensory elements, the social elements at school, they're absolutely just so impactful on someone's long-term mental health, you know. It's something that can follow you into adult life. Well, to find every aspect of life scary is a really... I can't imagine what that feels like, really, to just find everything and everyone and every sound and every feeling really scary. I'm about to... It's about having an impact, you know, on your mental health and your well-being. So I think it's so important that we have that not awareness. So awareness is just that top-flip service saying, oh, yeah, I know about autism. I've read a bit about it. It's about doing something about actually being proactive and saying, look, you know, there's a kid over there or there's a mate over there. Or there's a kid over there that actually people are bullying or they're not being supported and actually just going, look, if you want to join in, you know, come and join in with us, we'll be part of it. Our children, new people, I've just got so much to offer as friends, as children, as colleagues, you know, we're just so much to offer, really. Totally. Yeah, completely. Just didn't know what was sometimes, really.