 When I'm being joined by a political analyst at UK True Day, it's good to have you join us this afternoon. Good afternoon at UK True Day. Yeah, good afternoon, merci. Well, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon on the news. So let's get straight to the crux of the matter. Do you think that the vice president could be the anointed candidate of President Mohammed Buhari? I mean, after months of speculation? Well, I know that some time ago, I think some months back, there was a lot of controversy, you know, caused by the statement that the president made. When he said that he wasn't, he was asked in a television interview whether he had a favorite. And he said, he said to indicate that he did, and he wasn't going to name any, because if he named, you know, his favorite, that he might be eliminated. Now, people, I mean, having no kind of projectors, what he meant by elimination, was it physical elimination or was it that he was going to be eliminated politically? You know, so obviously, from what he had said, he has somebody in mind, whether that is for Shibajo, we do not know. But the reality is that Shibajo about a week ago was said to have indicated his interest to his principal, that is the president, President Mohammed Buhari. This is a long time, even after Bola made, you know, who is supposed to be a one-time benefactor, a political benefactor of Shibajo, had also made his attention known to the president. So perhaps he might be the American, we are not sure, the very history out there, the politics is still there. But what is clear is that we used to say, everybody was essentially saying that Bola Maitinibu was the most visible of the candidates of a double political parties in the country to want to run for president. But right now, he's going to have somebody else's attention, and he's asked why political protection, the vice president of Shibajo. Well, so do you think that we're about to see a showdown between the vice president and the former governor of Lagos State, as she was you, Bola Maitinibu? I think it's inevitable. First of all, the two of them are resolved to contest for the presidency of this country. They are definitely going to be a showdown. But do not also forget that this battle started long before now. The whole problem in holding the APC National Convention had to be with the politicking behind the scenes to determine who will likely emerge as members of the convention, as members of the Central Working Committee of the party. And of course, you know that some of these members of the party at that level could also play decisive role in seeing to the emergence of presidential candidates. So it was important to all sides that a particular person with a particular temperament and characteristic emerges as the leader, especially the chairman of the APC, because they would see that that would also help them. So there would be a slugfest between Oshibajo and Tinubu. Tinubu says that the presidency of this country has been a lifelong ambition, but Oshibajo has left it late. Perhaps it was best to leave it to this extent and then to this level and then coming out so late in the day. But we have an indication of how very serious it is going to be, how acrimonious it will be. And because Ojiu, who in a way, Senator Babatimu Ojiu, who in a way is also one of the protégés of Bola'i and Tinubu, has been abused endlessly by supporters of Tinubu because they saw him long before now showing support for the possible of Oshibajo in Iran for the presidency of this country. And he was abused endlessly and threatened. In fact, he came on national media to talk about the threats that he was receiving from members of the Tinubu support group. So obviously, the Tinubu faction or the Tinubu supporters knew from the grapevine that Oshibajo was inevitably going to run for the presidency of this country. So it's an open secret that a lot of them, a lot of people knew about and it has eventually shown itself. So what do you think is going to happen if the former governor of Lagos State were talking about Asiwaju Bola'i Tinubu doesn't get the ticket? We understand that at the party level, I mean as a flag bearer, the APC should come up with a candidate and now we have the vice president in the race. We also have, you know, the former governor in the race. What happens? How does he now fulfill his longtime ambition of becoming the president? Are there other options you think? Well, it's still early to tell really because they still have to go into the APC convention to determine who will represent the party. Now don't forget that the president, when they had this issue with the National Assembly, the president gave a condition, one of the major conditions he gave to sign that electoral law was the issue of removal of direct primaries and he asked them to insert the consensus clause inside of the constitution. So obviously they might have to look for consensus. They might not want to go all the way and turn this into a serious political fight because when that one happens and it creates this kind of a rampant division and a lot of people are going to be bloody in the process. And there's a possibility that if they are not satisfied and they feel that they have been add down, you know, by the party, there's a possibility that they could move. And therefore Oshiba John himself declared in this manner, just like he indicated in your report, who are up of the 23 governors of the APC attended. Now they did not attempt to break the fast. It was a political event that they came for. Obviously 12 is about 50% or slightly more than 50% of the 23 governors. So that will give you an idea where the pendulum might sway. Because the people, the governors that went for that meeting, you know, Oshiba John declared, were very much aware that Oshiba John was going to make his declaration and yet some of them did not take his feet to stay away. So perhaps they have the buying of, or Oshiba John has the buying of some of these governors. So if ultimately, I might think that if ultimately, I think he does not get the party's ticket. And there's a possibility that he might leave the possibility that he might leave the APC with the exceedingly high, especially when he loses to his protege, somebody that he helped, somebody that he made commissioner for, you know, while he was governor, commissioner for me, an attorney general and commissioner for justice. And he believes that Oshiba John owes him, that he was also instrumental in Oshiba John, imagine as a vice president. In fact, a lot of people have accused Oshiba John of being ungrateful to the person that made him in politics. But if you play, if you go by that argument, then a lot of people will remember what he did, the members of a very, very, who also made him, and they showed that he became the governor of legal state. He literally ran them out of town. And then, you know, and so I don't think anybody who understands the history of, you know, the politics of the South Wales in the past 20 years or so can effectively accuse only Oshiba John of being ungrateful. Ajike Chouday, let's also look at the fact that if the vice president gets the ticket, do you think he has the political, I mean, he has structures because elections are not just won, you know, by prominence and being very popular. Do you think he has structures across the 36 states of the federation, you know, to win election of this magnitude? Of course, a very great question you're asking. Oshiba John does not have constituencies, political consequences. Oshiba John does not have political structures. He had to rely on the structure of political review even before he became the vice president of this country. He relied a lot on the political review because political review took him along for the political right. And what you see at this level is no longer about the structures because you now have the state, you know, the interest of the party is a state nationally. So the party will have to bring their well with them because when you talk about having the structures, whether he has the structures of the party or not, there's another thing, you know, you should also bear in mind he does not have the resources or he is not repeated to have the resources and I'm talking about the money, the financial review that is needed to run for the presidency of this country. Chinubu obviously has. So what is going to happen is that some other people who have a state in the PDP continuing in power, we have to put all of those structures in place for him. And yes, an argument, an argument can be made effective. Abbas will not have structures before he run and became president. People have to make him president. Good luck, Jonathan. The same thing. Actually, we have to let you go now. I'm really sorry, but thank you so much for being part of the show, part of the news this afternoon. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.