 Welcome to the 21 convention Orlando, Florida 2017. I am Socrates your guest host and today I have with me the legend Rolo Tomasi and the outbreak speaker of the convention Hunter Drew Unfortunately, you are having to get caught up with our internal conversation and dialogue and the boys. Let's just keep rolling Where do we leave off? I mean let's start with The comic with how we got here so Rolo I think the reason that I'm here at all is because Rolo Rolo having a discussion with Anthony talking about how we're gonna change the the theme of I guess 21 convention as a whole and you know, that's kind of what brought me onto the scene and when Anthony reached out you know, it's definitely on board and Being a part of it seeing how this all went down. I Don't have words to describe how great it was not only for myself or for the men that were there You know, this is kind of a game changer. You talk about the ideal man Recovered everything in this convention. Yeah. Yeah by a long shot by absolutely long shot I like the direction that the Convention is going now. I like is probably an inadequate term for myself I'll be really fucking honest not to disagree with you, but I cannot throw myself more at this I'm so sick of being the only red pill Anthropologically centered guy around. I mean, it's like thank God for you guys I mean like and honestly, it is absolutely a tremendous honor to actually meet the man behind the words of wisdom and honestly I'm gonna do this right now. No offense. I cannot recommend this This and actually I did reverse son of a bitch This the bottom line get the all three tones. It is absolutely remarkable It is an absolute staple of understanding the the the cultural elements of the anthropological elements backed up by literature backed up by science repeatedly done in Digestible information and if it's the part that I actually actually want to talk about is both of you are fathers and both of you You have committed relationships and marriages that is absolutely unique And we don't hear enough about that in red pill awareness and in the community and that is a tremendous change in the social environment Which we're seeing so I can't say that enough. I know you've been writing about this for a long time Hunter Jesus Christ. Thank you for the can of fuck it. I mean not only like I needed it Here's your give a fuck back I mean like you know me in spades and that's that's what a younger vibrant guy can actually give older men And they gave it to us years back when I got steamrolled initially with the under-21 convention You know, thank God he actually had the nerve and and an audacity and humility to set it on say Hey, you know, how do we lose touch come back to the fold? You know, and you absolutely provided that say, you know, and the caveat to all this is all three of us are losing our voice from Talking to everybody just coming back. Yeah, it's coming back slowly. And yeah, thank God for whiskey for being on our souls Yeah, I think that the the directional change is definitely something that was needed If I have a confession my confession is this is that about I guess probably About a year after I wrote the first book I it came to my head like there should be like some sort of red pill summit There should be some sort of gathering of guys and of course I was thinking, you know, Las Vegas at the time right, maybe we can make this happen and then when I went and I hooked up with Christian McQueen and Goldman and Tanner Guzzi right when we did the the man-in-demand conference That was about as close as I thought we could probably get by There was a period of about like two or three months where I reached out to some of the guys that I knew in the community And I'm not like an event organizer or anything like that. I'm a writer That's that's really what my strengths are and so it's good to have this as You know some kind of accessibility for people to actually, you know, put the faces to everything I also think that the shift to a more red pill Message was definitely something that was warranted because as even Anthony knows I was very very hesitant to come on to this because I had so many people say don't don't go to the 21 convention because it's all Very purple pill and they were right. It was very purple pill. It was very much dating coaches selling You know, whatever program it was that they had and I'm as anybody knows me I'm very very wary of guys who build themselves as dating coaches and life coaches and things like that because You don't know what you're paying for and anybody can be alive because you're not you're certainly not a certified Psychologist, you don't have that that kind of background You might have a lot of wisdom and it might be like talking to your your good old uncle or something like that But it's been my experience that Most guys who get into that side of things really water down Red Hill truths. They they Pick out what it is that that they think it's gonna sell out of this and then they'll go It's okay, but don't get angry and don't get don't get upset or don't hate women And you know because that that red pills really about anger. It's about being bitter. It's about hating women So I'll tell you right now. It's nothing to do with that There are stages of group I wasn't grief but stages that you go through when you're unplugging and anger is one of those for sure So they lock they lock on to that and they they want to they want to like sort of sweeten over and sugarcoat the more Unf flattering parts of the red pill when it comes to women and they do that because a lot of their a lot of their readership is women and So when I see that I'm very very, you know, I'm very careful who I want to co-brand my you know My books with my blog with saw in fact I turned Anthony down on the first time he asked me and then I said well look if we're gonna do this Let's clear the books and let's let's get some red pill writers in there Let's let's change things up. It's your 10th anniversary. Why not? and So then I got you and I got I went and got of course I went and got tanner well tanner was already here But I got Christian and I and he gave it a shot to I'm glad he did you know in the review before he was talking about Yeah, he wasn't really sure about it himself, but he's now he says he's glad that he came out Goldman Of course, it's about for anything. So And then there's other guys like Alan Roger Curry. I've thrown Who else was there that we had Brian stone right stone married man red pill and I think that there's a lot of different niches and different angles that The red pill can apply to because a lot of people seem to think that the red pill is only limited to Just pick up artistry and just going out and getting laid and that's a part of it That's definitely something that you need to To factor in but then what happens when you you know You want a long-term relationship or maybe you're already in a long-term relationship or maybe you are awakened well-married and you suddenly begin to understand Why your wife acts in certain ways and I've had so many married guys who've read my book and just say hey Thank you if you change my relationship with my with my wife because now I get it I understand why she is the way she is and and things turn around for him or else, you know If they're getting divorced. He's like hey, I feel better. I'm not suicidal because I don't you know I'm not Intimidated but what by what I'm getting myself back into so there's those aspects of it I really I really kind of grate my teeth that guys you say that the the red pill is only about you know pick up artistry That's only what only thing it should be applied to and and yes in that term It should be a just a but yet definitely it's probably the best tool You can think of is is having red pill awareness, but there's more to it than just that and I think that People really underestimate the contributions that all guys can really have that's why I always I'd never get into race I never get into politics. I never get into you know socio-economic kind of stuff because I think that Everybody every man from around the world has something to contribute to it Even if it's just like well, they do this in my country other girls are like this and you know Peru or wherever in fact I met a guy from Peru that It's absolutely international it is it's completely irrelevant You know where you're at in that spectrum and I experienced the same You know the discussions we had you know, we had Ryan stone here who I think he has like huh Not quite officially married, but they're married, you know I come up with I'm married with kids But you know the red pill that's the intersexual dynamics How do you maintain a marriage for three decades where you're still having the sex that you want? Well, you've got to maintain You know you got to understand the intersexual relationship Having the dynamics between the two and actually in my speech that I gave I was saying you know That was the book that helped me better understand my wife when I understood my wife I was able to better understand my marriage, you know getting moving forward right and you know I've been called, you know the the Rolo Tomasi for eighth graders I'm the guy who like is writing for the the everyday man and Rolo's writing for like the big picture Like here's how you understand why it all works Now I'm like hey guys, here's how it worked for me And they're like oh I understood how it worked for you and because he wrote it that way also understand why it worked for you Which is similar yet totally different things. I think also like I Think just by like pigeonholing the red pills being just for pickup artistry and you know if you're if you're married You're a beta. You're on you're automatically ready. I'm gonna cook so many times. Only blue pill guy would get married, right? Right, I mean first of all I wouldn't call myself red pill when I did get married So it's like you know it seemed like a good idea at the time But I have a good marriage that it's been going on for 21 you guys met my man I met your wife. You don't have a good marriage. You have a phenomenal marriage. Jesus Christ I'm one of them if people could actually see this and this is and that's the problem I know this is guys really the problem with this Nobody sees you see this and if they see good marriages You know like I've interviewed people very recently to as of today that had phenomenally poor Imprints on marriage because of their parents had no other Examples to go by and they're traumatized by it and then they see culture and you're like I can't help but have the empathy for the individual who sat down and said I'm gonna crawl literally crawl out of this Fucking hole because I have this belief in myself I'm gonna change my life and and I and I admired that man for just that but they lacked this They lacked this and that's what that right there will actually provide You don't have to have it in your life if you can see it some other way this Poor individual just didn't have that available. I mean and it's gonna sound super stupid This is required reading my household top to bottom. I mean flat out It's gonna sound super stupid, but I demand women understand hypergamy I you know I come from an anthropological black one So I say hypergamy hypergaming for you guys They're just don't know what culture you come from no offense. I mean it's just acknowledge that people get a bug up their ass It's like coke soda pop. I mean But the bottom line is is that I make sure my partner understands her hypergamy and then I demand that she has agency and Then with I mean I can sit down and try to explain it, but here it is from a third-party source. Yeah, I'll I will Disagree with you on that, but I will challenge you on one thing. It's like I And I would have done this with Ross and I would have done this with a couple other I didn't say names It was complete it's complete affection in alters and I can also I well I mean I can also say Alan Roger Curry because and he knows this yeah I talked to him about you know direct game versus integrate indirect game and I Think that what you're doing is okay. You know you if you want her to know about hypergamy That's that's that's your you know your prerogative I guess, but I'm not of the opinion that We should go You're revealing game to women. I think I'm just showing how I think because women want to play the game They don't want to be told like how the right and I would say play with her and play with her. Yeah, so I Think that Expecting women to have this this kind of agency This I have a post called appeals to reason I don't really think that men really understand that by appealing to a woman's reason you're first of all You're talking wrong language you're talking wrong language you you this women are not rational They talk emotion But the promise that they if they're not aware of the facts I can't hold them accountable. They can't hold themselves. Right. Okay, so you're talking about more like about personal responsibility Precisely agency. Yeah We're really down down into the weeds and if we're disagreeing on that I completely I have no problem with that whatsoever. I mean none whatsoever. Well in one of my in one of my talks I was saying something about like where they're asking me You know when women ask me Don't you believe in you know women have the right to vote? Don't you think that you know women should have certain like rights and responsibilities because of you know They're really feminist tenants, but they kind of make them sound like these Entitlements or something else, you know, don't you think they should be out? Shouldn't they you know be able to have choices? It's like no, yeah, they should have choices. They should either have the right to vote They should be able to make the choices, but they should also Be held responsible for the results of the consequences of those actions and those choices because that is not how it is right now absolutely, no it is not a Most of those choices end up becoming the responsibilities and liabilities of men. Yes, and You know, I mean you could say well We could take away the right to vote and then we would have a better world or whatever I'm like, yeah, but you're also you're basically taking away that agency again just like you were saying and It's and by taking away that agency you're also taking away that personal responsibility that they would have for all of that as well so I think that I Think that you know appealing to reason is as a fool's errand for for guys, but As far as because they're not talking to another man They're not I mean you have to understand where we're similar and where we differ and the male mind is not the same as a female We've already I'm glad you said that because I think that that is one of the One of the things that separates a purple pill mentality from a red pill mentality Absolutely, yeah more purple pill a guy is the more he waters it all down the more he wants to make things the same He wants to make like attract like Like does not attract like opposites attract that's what the men the feminine I'm feeling perfect and I talk about this quite a bit is that I think that most beta guys Their game like say every guy has game any every dude in this room has game every dude at the thing has game whether that game works Is another story that every guy has game because if you ask any dude just go we can go outside on the street and say What's the best way to go about meeting a woman? What's the best way that you know guarantee you nine times out of ten That guy's you know how you got your eyes and you got to be you know You got to get in touch with your you got you got a supporter and you got to get behind you And you got to be sensitive to her needs and you know all of this you know kind of Psychotherapy bullshit, you know and unless you run into Christian McQueen who says they gotta treat him like a whore I will say or Instagram someone say I don't know maybe something simple like I want to come on your face and Don't do that a lot of that comes from being taught egalitarian equal Yes, big up. Yeah, so we want we want to believe really really, you know, especially purple pill guys Desperately want to believe that we're more alike than we are not alike And I'll tell you know we are more different than we are alike And you just want us to be more alike because you think that by rationally and you know overtly Telling a woman what it is that you think she should do and how you know You can you can tell a woman ten different ways why you would make the perfect guys It's all right. What why you would make the perfect boyfriend? You make X amount of money, you know And you want to build yourself up and all of these rational reasons why she should want you She's just I don't want everything to do with you because hypergaming doesn't care It's like Alan's whole yeah, I have a PhD and I've got a big car. Yeah, exactly It doesn't mean anything and so I think that there's some merit to what Alan is saying But I would argue that we are far more different than we are the same and we can see that biologically We can see that with neurological brain scans. We can see what parts of the male brain is, you know is more catered to for for spatial, you know spatial ability Rational reasoning and stuff like that and then just the way that the the synapses in women's brains are wired They're more wired for communication. They're more wild for a wired for For I won't say empathy, but sympathy. They're more, you know, they can pick up on Subcommunications and non-verbal cues and things like that and that's what their predisposition is for You you're really proud of the fact that your your son can play baseball and he's really good at that I was gonna bring it up. I was gonna say exactly that Every got everything the only thing I regret when you showed me you should have video You know absolutely taking a selfie video and talk to your son and send that You're right, yeah, and I'm like fuck. I was telling my partner that I'm like in this age I know you've sacrificed being there for your child. I miss two baseball games I mean here, but this is like this this matters to me more than but but no no no no no no Because you're creating a world in which he's gonna thrive exactly okay, and not only he's gonna imprint on what you've done Well for instance, so your boy probably throws a ball pretty well. Yeah, your girl She's probably throwing the bat. You know I see that exactly that's because From a biological from an evolutionary perspective boys have a better spatial better depth perception and know how to put their arm and put their shoulder into it That's a whole body the whole body rotation and that is a An involved survival you'd say masculine behavior that is the pure masculine coming out of the womb He has a predisposition to be able to throw and seeing her sitting in my driveway drawing She's predisposed for that a lot of people have probably raised their kids as if they're equals I raise my kids differently. It's fair. It's totally fair. Yeah, but it's different But so he has that ability. Okay, that's because it's hardwired into his brain It's it's he it's what he's what I call a mental firmware Okay, your your girl probably has other things that she's predisposed to and it's not that we you can't teach your daughter How to throw ball you can teach her that it's the fact that she has no biological Yeah, that's not built in She's not built in and I think that a lot of guys a lot of my critics get pissed off at me because they say Oh, are you saying that you know people you know men and women aren't equal and I go Well, no, they're not there, you know men have strengths and weaknesses and women have strengths and weaknesses And we're complimentary to one another for the deficits that either one has and I think that especially in this day and age when we've been taught to be so sensitive to equalism Like everybody's got to have an equal an equal thing Well, we don't look at the differences. We want it. We want things to be more alike. And so Consequently, though, there are next words out of their mouth is oh, so you think men are superior to women I'm go. Yes in certain in certain challenges and certain environmental you know You know tests for that particular sex men are going to be better at certain things than women are and other Environmental tests women are going to be better than men are so women are superior to men in certain ways And men are superior to women in certain ways What's amazing about that always go to the man they always say oh you what must be a massage They see that they see that it's such a young age so fucking projection I mean, this is what when you fucking have manipulation and it's projection You hear the argument and instead of trying to respond to your stop and go how much of this is you You know, and you also say it's it's it's it's so become so goddamn clear You know, it's stunning. I'm put in a beautiful place with my kids being so young where my son is eight my daughter's five So I get to see it from the onset, you know, I've been trying to blog, you know, societal influence from Basically the onset. I've been read killer way before they were born. So I understood what I was doing So my son with him, you know doing well in baseball, you know, belt baseball sports, you know being very dominant He's also very proud. Every day he tells me. Hey dad. Is my beard coming in He's getting bigger. You know, he's proud of his masculine attributes, but guess what my daughter I brought her on I wonder fucking why So I coached my son's baseball team and I'm always with him, but I made a time for my daughter So what I do is I really try to balance it. So I'll sit out there with her But I also bring her a lot of dad daughter dates We go out there and one thing is we had a waiter come up to us But he had a man bun and earrings and my daughter She's She goes dad. Why does he get a man bun and why is he wearing earrings boys don't wear earrings. They don't have buns It's just her recognizing, you know, she's picking up masculine men have certain attributes and they wear certain things because it's not You know, that's what she's seen. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely. So she's innocent in what she's saying But I recognize that as her saying, you know, she has seen boys do certain things girls girls do certain things And I'm trying to get that to go as long as possible You know, your daughter has done very well in school and you know personally, you know, and that's That you can as long as you represent that masculine You can get her the daughter and the masculine to do the exact same They'll do very well in society You can block that societal influence as long as you're present and you're you know, they go to school But they come back you can't expect school to raise your child You've got to be present. You've got to be there to set the example involved present Listen to this shit. You need to read book three I bought book three. I got a shout out book three But the interesting thing you actually brought something up in your presentation I actually want the viewers to actually see and take a moment to understand I I've talked about it and I because because I've read it and it's a concern that you know, and I used it in a relationship and with but it was a sociology study that sat down and said Children need 20 minutes of undivided attention a day and then they're good and it's that parental attention And it's not so much the primary caregiver the secondary caregiver You talked about coming home from work doing everything else and playing catch with your son Playing with your daughter But everybody thinks this is going to be before the evening But the reality is probably nothing more than 20 minutes at a time To talk about that about sitting on saying as a father you are dedicating time resources availability Connection and you also talk about very very indecinctly about touching holding and literally cherishing your child in physical contact What I find is most children are broken most The attendees and I know this is your first one. You look out on that on it's over 50% or greater I would say vastly greater come from broken homes and family You are doing by example something remarkably different So I'll share something I've never shared before you you safe in doing something. I'm not going to ask Yeah, we're good. Okay at five years old, you know, my mom committed suicide and my dad was in the navy All right, so I'm just a single father whatever Don't have problems. I was five. Here's what most people don't see my brother and sister for twins. They were three We grew up with my grandmother strong woman fantastic My dad stayed in the navy. So he's in and out in and out in and out I got to see what a masculine man was but I also had a cherry pick from everybody else because he was gone a lot So cherry pick what was good for me? What was not good for me? What was good for me? I found out, you know, what was how could I get the strengths? My dad's gone. What does strength mean? I don't know my football coach. That's what strong is, you know, my science teacher That's what you know intelligent is I brought on that and now when I come home from work And so I've got an hour commute and if you've been this if you've seen any of my periscopes I'm in my Jeep cruising because that's how I pass the time because I go crazy if I don't So I get home after an hour. So it's an hour there eight hours of work an hour back. That's 10 hours of work I'm dead tired. You know, my job isn't easy. I'm I'm exhausted I get out of my Jeep, you know, my kids run out to me. Hey dad. What's up? What's going on? Yeah, hey, you're gonna push me on the swing. You're gonna play catch Eight out of 10 dads. No, I need a wife job. Yeah every single time Yeah, let's go do it and this is important because we've we've had attendees We had one last year under 21 convention his sole purpose for coming wasn't to get better with checks He goes, I needed to be a better father and I had no better role models. That's the key. I mean, Jesus Christ The key is you've got the poverty cycle. Yeah, you know poor parents make poor kids make poor kids You gotta break the cycle. You got it. I've stayed in contact with him. He actually was an attendee this year And he actually was doing better this year than he was last and in all rights. No offense His life is vastly more fucked up. He actually moved back to be with family And the wife girlfriend just gone ass ass out of control But there's no doubt he's committing to his Being a parent to the children and he's actually making relationships with the stepmother Because they have mutual interests and I find that utterly remarkable and they're that's how you break the cycle No, no, that is exactly how you feel like you come home exhausted. You're like, yes, I'll play catch How many I can't tell you how many hours I have a lot of pitching of my kid in the backyard I can't tell you how many times I've played catch. I can't tell you how many times You know, I've done I've pushed my daughter in the swing because with daughters is different You know, I can't tell you times I've sat there and watched my daughter draw a picture And it takes five hours for her to draw one one tree a house and a kid But I'm sitting there watching you're trying to be patient. I'm like, I'm happy But you know, she's happy because I'm there, you know, and that's the difference between daughters and sons You know, you're involved, you know, I'm the head coach my kids baseball team not because I'm like, I've got all this free time I have I sprint I haul ass from work to get there just because nobody else would do it Nobody else will tell your sons you've got to rise to a higher standard Nobody else will say, hey, do a little bit better because those dads won't I will So that's what I strive to do. I strive to set a higher standard than whatever else is setting You know from my daughter, you know, and like I'm saying like the reason our kids do well is because their parents do well You know, it means they're going to print that that's what they that's what they want to set the standard Which they'll measure themselves Thank you. They follow your example. Not your advice. There you go. Say that again. Say that again right there No, your children Your friends your family your women They will follow the example you set not the advice you would give You know, and they will also rise to the standard you accept not the one you expect You can expect somebody to do very well, but if you accept less than that they will go to that level If you only accept this they will go to this If you expect this but you accept this they're coming down here Okay, if you tell your kids they should read they should lift they should do greater than what they're doing But you don't do that yourself. They're not going to do it Here here, I'm sorry, you know, I'll tell you what I'm going to work out Here's your case of give a fuck Exactly I was going to say with my own daughter. It's it's interesting because I only have one daughter and um I have been red pill In the you know a conventional sense I wasn't calling it red pill when she was like, you know, seven years old six years old or whatever But you know as as things progressed and and she got older. I'm just setting that example. All I'm doing is Demonstrating I'm my explicating and I think that most guys really Kind of either they they go overboard and go, okay. I'm going to be a real good dad And let me see I've got to go through these checklists and figure things out and I've got And okay, I spent 20 minutes with her today and I spent 30 minutes with her for tomorrow and it's like it's not like that. It's Being red pill. It's living. It's genuine. It's genuine. It's raw. You know, and so consequently my daughter's 19 years old She's you know, she's she didn't go to know, you know, uh public college. She went straight into university She's ap classes all the time very smart Is a model as a pageant girl, um, you know, just a gorgeous person Yeah You know, you don't get this shit But then but just to to qualify that a little bit you have to understand what I do for a living. I work in the alcohol Industry, um, it's up to me a lot of times to pick out who my poor girls are going to be who my my Booth candy is going to be basically, um, if I'm going to promotional events I have to go to you know Studios and look for you know pictures of girls and I have like a very Selective process that I go through because if I have to cater those girls to what I think the demographic is going to be at This particular promo so I'm in I'm in dealing with beautiful women all the time and So what from that perspective and seeing all that and then like raising a daughter at the same time and being Being a husband to my you know, my wife. So I get it from there. I you know, I Very very helpful with her mom. So my mother-in-law is probably an aspect of that as well And then a lot of people say well, why are you qualified to be writing any of this kind of stuff? well, personally why I'm qualified is because I because I've lived with women and they've accepted me into their tribe and I figured it out. I've lived amongst them I've lived amongst them and And they've accepted me as women But uh, I was gonna say is I've raised a daughter. I I've I've one brother Okay, I have one younger brother and so I've always been around guys for most of my life My father my mom and my dad split my dad my dad actually got custody of myself and my and my brother But we're talking like back in the 70s which one things all went to hell Yeah, and so it was always me my dad and my my brother and so I didn't know how girls were raised I don't know how girls were. Yeah, I don't know sisters or anything like that So raising a daughter into adulthood and seeing how you know, she how I imprint on her Um, it's now reflective in like the guys that she's dating. Yeah She's always she's always looking for my approval for the guy that she's that she's great. Yeah, which is phenomenal But not like she doesn't go. Well, what do you think of him? She's always yeah, it's always this Fourth where I'm I you know, she's And I if I like the dude I'll tell her that I like the guy. I would hate to be that fucking boy Yeah, literally, are they aware? I mean do you suck the Bible on him? What do you gonna do wait till they're married and I'm like, yeah, I'm world You go through like a filtering process always. Yeah, I can tell it like She's gonna watch this I'm literally on my my daughter's and my her first birthday I sat there sat her down and told her the story of her conception in detail Just because if I can't tell her that I sure as fuck can't tell her that's good that you say that and this is something I Very important for especially in this generation I think it's very important to be upfront and honest with your kids and not bullshit them about how you used to be When you were a teenager Because I'll tell you right now when I talk to my dad back in the day and my mom even to this day My dad's deceased, but my mom's still around but even in this day She still bullshits me about stuff that I know happened because my dad told me and I know it happened And she won't she doesn't want to cop to it because it's either an ego protection kind of thing for her Or maybe it's a generational thing like they didn't want to they didn't want you to make the mistakes They did so they didn't want to say yeah, I rode the cock carousel for until it's 29 years old There your mom is a sweet perfect virginic woman who only had such a good dad Yes, the weird of my family But I think that's important because like I am like I am like upfront and honest with my daughter about Parting out brutally honest with her. I'll say you know what your mom wasn't the first woman I ever had sex with I had sex with probably about what like 43 women before I had you know I would you know me and your mom got together and I'll tell her that I'll say you know But that doesn't mean you should still go and you know don't don't be a whore But you know it's it's like but people need to understand that especially parents that your parents are human and That's important. I think because we have such sort of a romanticized idea of what our parents were really alike Well, what certain errors were like we we look at the 50s like you know much But so much has changed right, you know, and I'm trying to like I'm trying to I'm not trying to be that cool dad But I'm trying to be that dad is like understands like what's it like now like I've got a Great, you know train my kids for what's gonna happen to them now And it's hard for me to keep an ear to the ground like it's totally different So I'm trying to bring him back like well don't get stuck in the now go back to how it used to work And it worked very well. Let's go to that quality. Don't reinvent the fucking wheel I mean, I said it was like God, you know, you're both my son and daughter exactly that right I was like, you know, I'm not trying to build, you know, a fucking Tinder chick And I'm trying to build a fucking boy who's fucking like going out and you know trying to supplicate But hey, I'll do so many chores. You're gonna section me like that's not that won't happen with my savior schema Yeah, you know, I'm trying to do the right thing You know and a lot of people have started calling me the trad guy I didn't know what the fuck trad was but it's basically a traditional, you know having a traditional You know man traditional woman, but I guess that is what I'm building my children because you know It's I'm kind of bringing the back like it doesn't matter what Tinder is doesn't matter what Facebook, you know Twitter like all this shit that they have they're exposed for now when you come down to it These certain apps are so new and so fresh They're not affecting the relationship that men have with women bring it back a quality woman is a woman who doesn't have You know 200,000 miles when you buy her I Actually address that in the third book and I already ask you I'm in it again Anyways, I was gonna say it's like I always talk about it in terms of conventional masculinity You know a lot of people say what is conventional masculinity? It's what is uniquely masculine to a male? person, you know human male person is what Intrinsically what is masculine is and that's important for a lot of these guys are watching they're stuck in 2017 masculine This is yeah, I wish I could have masculine a little bit better in my in my talks I apologize for this because I really was hoping to get to this, but I really wanted to sort of list and you know enumerate the Qualities that are uniquely male and uniquely masculine because so much is so confused right now where we We don't so many kids and so many boys just don't they hate masculine. They gender low Because it's hot to say that they're defective right repressed You're not some major and so I think that you know like Having a competitive nature is I mean a predilection a predisposition Territoriality competitiveness all those are one aspect. There's another strength. There's physical strength is by enlargement are more strong and Looks like the red pill. That's a slice of it There's so many more slices to being a man and there's a lot more to that There's there I think a very important aspect is also a mental point of origin putting yourself on top of everything else and making The light and self-interest. I can't help others until I can help myself I think that is a masculine a conventionally masculine attribute or it should be Physicality you know and then Paying some kind of patience with things. I think that that should be a masculine Or serving some degree Well Jack Jack Donovan talked about that. Yeah, it's not Jack Donovan Watching Off off the roof. I mean I didn't know this I was not gonna say this until recently because Tanner Guzzi actually said he's gay Yeah, yeah, and I just said I'm gonna go here's a gay man talking about masculine Unabashed and physically manifesting all of it I mean, I mean not just a little but holy fuck on such spades I mean it's like spade after spade after spade and then then takes the same level of intent and does it intellectually and Has nothing to deal with sexual orientation Yes, we're a little and I and I've noticed this on Twitter We blasted stuff out it has zero relevance to your sexual preference or your relationship status Say it again if you're married single divorced your spinning plates, you're gay fucking whatever you are It's irrelevant. We're talking about masculine and feminine. Yes, it's I don't care what your status is in that I'll I'll say something really controversial here When Rouge came out with his neo masculine imperative when he come out came out with his you know Basically threw the red pill under the bus and then tried to reinvent the red suddenly wasn't repeal My name is repeal again And then decided that the neo masculine side of things is going to get real political and I won't get into detail about that But it's also going to exclude Certain people and one of those is gay men and I thought it was really hypocritical for him to go and absolutely have a An interview with Milo Yiannopoulos right after that, you know because he's got the reach You know maybe that's a little disingenuous, but like I also said at that time I said so does that mean you're going to exclude the contributions to the manager fear that Jack Donovan has brought to To the table and I get blocked on Twitter, but that's that you're exactly right. That's one of the reasons I don't get into politics. I don't get into race. I don't get into I've seen us We both argued the same point, you know different on our own fronts, right? We've had these same arguments Irrelevant Because I'm not I'm not willing to exclude the contributions of a man just because he's gay just because Honestly, I would like do him like you're asking the fuck this is the stereotype, you know, you said I'm masculinity everything Okay orientation It was not diminished by the display Inacted not why what he said that how we carried is like I mean it is incredible. I mean You're not gonna see this fucking on film You're not gonna feel the impact until you see and meet the man and look in his eyes It is absolutely guys. He does funny as we were we were at the the first dinner Casa If you didn't see Jack Donovan is there and he's talking to the waitress across or the bartender that really hot bartender I was on. Yeah. Yeah, the other side and Christian was up to me and he goes I'm so glad this dude is gay because he'd be killing it right now Yeah, at least you have a chance. I'm like, thank God I mean, but you know, but if you actually look at the Democrat and I know this is not where you go But as an architect, I'm allowed to a big-ass fucking brush and when you look at Human-dynamic and there's there's this oddity of regression to the mean, you know Where you have really intelligent people in their children no matter if you get to geniuses They kind of regress back to the mean, but there's this phenomenon on the I don't want The gay population tends to have more people of genius IQ The the the excellence of humanity is expressed in the singularity That ends up right after him because it doesn't get transgressed into the gene pool back down to the mean But you if you look at it whether it's Jack Donovan or you know Myelamineopolis or any of these other individuals that have phenomenal intellect capability persona everything else There seems to be this this phenomenon about the derivative mankind out on that end But again, we're talking about the outlier Not the mean. Well, that's that's the best. I think the best thing about this convention is that it's open to everybody You know Never be recognized. Everybody watching this even the guys that watch this You know such a small percentage even the guys who like this is when I when I was doing the interview with Christian and Coleman. We're talking about the diversity of The you know social intelligence between guys. There's guys that you're gonna look at you go Okay, that guy's a little back and then there's the guys that are just like you and I are talking right now Like I feel like I'm running for forever But I think even those guys who are a little bit off. They still have something to contribute You are it's very short-sighted to limit your You know who you're gonna allow to be involved in significant just because of you know your own biases I just don't see that happening. That's why that's funny We were we had we had dinner with with you guys and Jack last night Yeah, and I went back to the room. I told my wife. I said, you know, Jack don's gay She's like What's amazing is how he talks to you He doesn't have that he doesn't have that gay You know kind of vocal qualities. He doesn't express any of the feminine. Yeah, precisely precisely It is solid solid. God damn it. For example, he talked about Nietzsche and all that sort of stuff He exonifies the ubermench in all the qualitative manners in which you want, you know, the humanities part It you couldn't get a better display I mean Tanner actually use them as a type case for the rugged individual I don't think the guys here are gonna really know unless you see the talk but Jack don't have talked about nobility and the nobility of man Yes, and really got into some very deep philosophical stuff and with quotes and everything from yeah, yeah We need some more liquor We got three empty glasses right goddamn here Yeah, we got men for this yeah, so I was just gonna say that I mean just the fact that this guy is up there talking about that And a lot of people want to call him You know white nationalist or they want to they want to call him You know they want to put him in with the alt right and we were just talking last night There's he opposes the alt right. No, it's you know, it's really yeah that conversation was huge It's big to say, you know, they're they're trying to push somebody to somewhere. They're they're not there You can't make somebody be that's not what I'm saying. It's so inappropriate. It's so grossly inappropriate Who the fuck's having go? I mean, I'm good Navy really Well continue continue the conversation only this is a true gentleman. Yeah, I was gonna say is that he really came up with Some topics that I really needed to hear to yeah, just personally because You know, what was he was he saying? He said something about it was a quote from it It was a quote from Samurai or something like that and he said Don't waste words on Unworthy enemies that was something I really needed to hear because there are a lot of people that want to engage me here They want it. You're a roller. Yeah, that's target. You've got a target. It's like when you go to play Nobody gives a shit about me. You're rolling when you they're coming after you distract you from your message When you go to prison, you hit the biggest motherfucker on the lot right to prove your to prove that you're I know Right and so so what happens? I mean you're gonna talk to somebody who is is Not worthy of your time like Jack was saying that he's like, I just don't engage with them anymore I just don't deal with that anymore because if I don't respect you, you know me not talking to you That is it's not worth my while So but when he does talk to you and you do have a good conversation with the guy Then you know at least there's some there's some mutual masculine respect between two there is and then what a final Remarkable is how approachable he was. I mean you're sitting on a kind of a guy with chicken moans leather jacket If I could you won't ask everyone you look like fucking Bane Want to be I mean I mean it really is it was it was a characterization Manifested that the fictional realm couldn't match And here you have guys coming over and talking with the dude and the guy Totally turning around grabbing him and take literally taking him in and discussion shit with him I mean it was it was phenomenal. I won't lie until it was four o'clock this morning Like I said today that you're watching this. I was with Jack Donovan. I was with Ivan Throne You know we did we set out? The entire time talking to those guys. They made themselves immediately Available they gave everything they had to the guys everybody here every single time We stopped having a presentation every time we were supposed to have a break. We're like, yeah, there's a break We're gonna go relax the man came out. You know we didn't They came to us asked us questions and we stopped because it's not about us none of you know It's the 21 convention making the ideal man The ideal man is the man who has all of it the red pills. That's part of it. Jack Donovan Jack Donovan That's a part of it all of us I haven't I haven't say something that was phenomenal and I haven't heard it outside of the military You don't leave a man behind It's and it was exemplified at the convention the manner in which they discussed things when we went out hit the town you had a head count We counted we always together completely. You do not leave a brother behind you know you just goddamn don't and I see that in you and you and all the other speakers They sat down and spent time with every convention. I was you know, I was telling to tell my wife I have been talking non-stop since before I got off the plane because when I was on the plane There was two guys over in front of me You know I'm having a conversation with my wife and you know We're just about to stand up and deplane and you know you're kind of like in that you know shoulder-to-shoulder shit We're trying to get off and she's she said something about you know, do I call you roll over here or something like yeah Yeah, and so the guys over front of me they look back and they're like They turn around and it's this one guy don He says hey you guys are here for vacation. We're like no we're just visiting friends Me and my friend Joel here, we're going to convention. I'm like What's that? How is that for you? He's like, yeah, it's called the 21 convention. I go, oh I've heard of that. He goes. Yeah, it's a red pill kind of convention thing I've never met this guy before in my life and I got and so you start saying yeah It's a red pill convention and then Joel goes. Are you who I think you are and I go. Yes, I'm Rollo Tomasi Guilty as charge and so then of course while we're waiting to get off the plane That's when he goes you saved my life man. Thank you very much You know just goes through this really appreciative thing and then it's like can I ask you a few questions about He starts going through the book and so that's why I have voices out completely right now because since before I even got off the plane I'm just talking to these guys and you know As soon as I'm out done with my talk I go on I you know Go from one room to the next or try to get back to my room and just guys are just surrounding me and wanting to either You know tell me what I've done for them or they have specific questions And it's just this constant Dialogue that I have been carrying on since Wednesday, and that's not your reality I mean let's let's honestly know your your writer in your writing in isolation and let's let's honestly acknowledge that this is Your second convention first time on film, but the bottom line is that there's tremendous involvement Yeah, this has got to be overwhelming. Yeah, well it is because I'm when I'm writing a book I'm just looking at a screen all the time and like I was telling the guys before I said We look at the end we look at the internet as being this big extra version as this big fun party or something like that It's not it is very much a very introverted thing It's a very private thing and that's why I thought it was very important that we got to see each other face-to-face Yeah, you got to talk to each other one on one because you know I think especially guys who are feeling isolated and feeling locked out You know whether they are you know hurting from something that happened or they they have some point of Connection with what I've said that I really want to they want to discuss it with me one-on-one That's that's a great opportunity, but you're yeah You're definitely right because when I'm you know I'm a writer primarily and all I do is you know collect ideas People were asking you know, how do you what's your writing process? And I just keep a little notebook around that I constantly have on me at all times Just something hits me and I put it down and usually that's it like midnight or two o'clock And so you know my wife finds me in a studio like that shut up And so I Think that yeah, definitely. I always begin my talks by saying look. I'm not a motivational speaker I'm not a pickup artist. I'm not a self-help guru. I'm not a power of positive thinking Yeah, you are now my my Sorry, sorry, you need to readjust that reality. I'm sorry Do you see that device right there is Nature is gonna win don't resist that On the flight out I was I was reading this book called pin drop principle and it's how to be a really good effective communicator when it comes to You know talking on stage a public speaking stuff because I'm still that's something that I'm learning Without a doubt and that's a human dimension of all this. Yeah, so I am trying I am trying to master that. No, no You're not trying you're succeeding You are succeeding, but I I think the other thing that I need to say is that I I am primarily a writer and I will always Put off everything else public speaking making appearances so that I can focus primarily on this Because I I am not the kind of guy that like I'm an artist by trade so I Would rather be making art than talking about making art Okay, I'd rather be writing books and putting out putting out ideas and I'm not even like I said I'm not I didn't write these books to save guys lives. I'm glad that they do I'm glad that's a byproduct of this I wrote this because for whatever reason, you know divine intervention or whatever I put this out because It was something that I felt was very important I felt that it needed to get out and needs to be the message is always the most important part of it I'm not gonna go I'm not gonna go on a speaking tour because I think that the content and the principles that I put forth in the books is the the most You know apex did that's tremendous melody He's not gonna say what he's done has you know produced The the greatest results of the guys who are like why doesn't what I'm doing work You know, I've been doing the what I've been told to do. It's not working. Why why is what I'm doing not working And here's a matter of the fact what you're doing is not the right thing because you're following the the female imperative You're doing the wrong thing just shift. It only takes like a smallest degree It takes like five degrees of degree to shift your perspective You shift your perspective that much and you see Rola's put out this much shit, you know I'm coming. I'm the family alpha. I've been talking so much shit from the fucking beginning as the families out of this This is where I started right here You know people laugh you think it's funny. That's why I started that's what I did You know, I learned what's I worried about and from there learn how to lead my family. There's a lot of family men Who are like, how do I stop this? You know, I've got a wife. I did everything right, but I'm not getting the sex I want I'm not satisfied You're not gamer. She's not your lover. She's your wife. There's a difference. She's not your girl that you're trying to game She's just a fucking chick you got it. You got there. You got the girl. You never get the girl He has a poise on that. I'm pretty sure Rola. I was expecting Rola through this entire conference Not to speak to me, but the handout post You go through his file Shit let me say Has fucking covered the spectrum Follow it. He's not fucking shit. It's real. Yeah, it's not men. It's families. It's everything That's why I say I I'm on Twitter quite a bit, but I did that's not your form The thing is it's like I guess I might I can't go into so much detail that I need About some very complex things Tell me your entire theory in hundred forty characters And then like okay, and then I and then you could do that in like, you know, five or ten. Yeah, but then you're retarded Some troll goes ha you're wrong No, I guess I'm stupid. All right, honey, you're coming from the other perspective Have you written any books you're starting a blog you do periscope and then you come on stage and Jesus Christ They the case of give a fuck was like delivered by the pallet Talk about that. All right, so I'm five eight You know, I thought you would never god damn Never know I'm five foot eight So I guess I'm compensating for my size with my passion, but here's the bigger deal I really give a fuck about what I talk about and that's not a joke. You can't compensate that That's the reason Rola brought me here, you know, Rola is the og. We can see what this am not Nobody has to build him up. He's there what I'm saying right now is He recognized I'm coming from an authentic perspective. I'm not joking when I say what I say, you know There's no I'm not trying to gain favor. I'm not trying to supplicate to the narrator that's going on the female imperative Fuck that shit I have no fucks to give when it comes to helping women out to you know do that shit what I care about is men I care about men. I care about families. I care about growing that perspective of hey If I'm a man who's had children and am I weak? No I've got married am I a cuck you're not a cuck Chill out follow your mission go forward, you know, he's asking me the question right now I've got Rola right in front of me. I know these guys litter. I've literally been called the retort of him and I'm not even on his spectrum People think I'm the guy who has no idea what's going on But guess what I'm the guy who has a family and guess what I'm still doing it There's a lot of families out there who wish they wish they were still fucking their wife like they did in the beginning My wife's my fucking porn star. No problems. My phone's been blowing up. Guess what? It's probably pictures of her. Why because she gives a fuck I'm my children throughout there. They're achieving greatness my my son's eight my daughter's five They're not doing amazing things change in the world But guess what my son's doing amazing things as a baseball team my daughter She's out there drawing in my driveway and guess what when you're a father when you're a man who gives a fucking you're Trying to express that masculine and feminine your children you let them do that you stop trying to live through your children You let your children live their own lives you let them do their own thing because it doesn't you don't get another shot at life That's their life your job is to express and you know be fuel to theirs You'd be fuel if you have a son Push him forward if you want to see a rocket scientist build rockets in your backyard He wants to be a football player push him forward. Don't do it concussions. No fucking joke baseball. That's where you go Daughters she wants to draw she wants to dance Be the dad who shows up be the dad who practices pirouettes with her darling. I did it. I tried practicing I danced I fell she left whatever. I'm not coordinated. Here's the bigger point. I tried Did you you're involved? You were how many dads can say they come home from work dirt fucking tired and they go to a fucking bed They sit down. They put in their gym shorts. They're fucking tank top You know what I do when I come home beat fucking tired in my fucking business clothes I've got khakis. I've got fucking shoes that cost $150. I go my backyard to throw baseballs to my son I push my daughter in a fucking playground. Why because I give a fuck. I care about what they do These are your kids do it. I'm the family guy, you know, I'm the family alpha I'm the family I'm Peter Griffin. Fuck you. No way better. I'm the family Different I'm the family alpha Be that for your children go forward, you know, if you created life Supported and I get it. Here's the biggest thing that I want to leave this with Anthony invited me to the act Don't stop. No, that's what I'm convention a Panorama event for life on earth as a man free to the world. Guess what? Rollo is the man who got me here. Anthony agreed to that, but here's the biggest fucking thing Anthony Right there wants to build the ideal man The ideal man is more than just one slice of picking up chicks It's more than one slice of picking up girls. It's more than one slice of picking up hanging out with fucking dudes It's more than just going out and working out. It's everything. It's the ideal man The perfection of the man the man who doesn't go to bed crying at night hating himself because he didn't do what we wanted To fucking do you didn't cheaply want in life because you fucking failed The ideal man does what he wants to do Whether you have children or do you don't whether you fucking want to achieve build a business whether you fucking don't Write books and look at fucking rollo wrote all these books You fucking do that. That's the ideal man I'm gonna fucking flip out For fortune build it up need 30 seconds 30 goddamn seconds at this point. That's all I asked for Oh, man, the way you go to bed is a way you're gonna die Tell me about that when you when you lay down at night, are you resentful? Are you angry? Are you are you trying to find solutions to bullshit that doesn't matter? Every morning you wake up. That's being born You've got whatever your hours are at least 24 What do you do in that time? What do you do do you relax do you sleep do you work out you pursue your mission? When you go to bed, that's your death Did you earn the breaths you had? Here's one thing And I told myself I wouldn't do any military You know propaganda But there are a lot of people who don't have the privilege of growing older There's a 19 year old kid. There's an 18 year old kid right now And I'm looking at you whoever is on the other side of the screen. I'm looking at you and I'm being very serious There's an 18 year old kid walking outside the wire He might not come back You were you woke up you get to go to bed. What'd you do in that day? Because when you go to sleep, you're dead. That's your life You woke up you're born you go to bed you die in that life If you didn't achieve anything if you didn't work towards any progress if you didn't work towards becoming the ideal man What do you have to say for yourself? Why? Why didn't you give everything at your disposal work for it? Try try harder than you were before that's what this is all about if you don't who will Who's gonna set the example from the other men who gonna are gonna come behind you who? Is your job man you have to do it. I am humbled by your presence Your testament to your generation What I'm going to sleep and I I It's interesting to me because that is the One time of the day that I don't have any distractions going on I'm constantly Multitasking if it's not Twitter and dealing with this kind of stuff. It's dealing with whatever my my work is I have a lot of shit that I have to contend with from work I've got a family. I've got friends who you know who hit me up And you know we were talking about brotherhood and all that and how we Decide who it is that we're gonna invest our time in and who's worth who's worthy of our Our respects, but who also is worthy of you know doing shit for them that we Know I want to help dudes move, but I'll do it because I have respect for them and they're part of my brotherhood but When I'm going to sleep It's that that one time where I can just sort of stare at the ceiling and sometimes I think that guys really don't realize that We're so distracted these days. We're so we're constantly watching TV or a little screen or the big screen I think that what I also play music So I think one of the things that I do is I think one thing about music That's therapeutic is you can't do anything else when you're doing it You can only just sit there and learn and play and do your thing or if I'm creating art like I have an art studio at home, too I'll I'll sit in there and I'll be painting and I have to just focus on that because I don't have anything else going on I may have music going on but other than that I have just one thing. I mean when's the last time you did just one thing and so when you're You know sleeping or you're just about to go to bed or maybe I wake up at like one or two in the morning I'm trying to go back to sleep. What I'm thinking about is This kind of stuff everything that's in here. I have that internal conversation with myself I said, what about you know, I'm thinking about some particular post or I'm thinking about some I would even call it a post at the time I think I think that is a topic of some sort of some sort of subject that I'm thinking about and I'm contemplating on that and really those moments are getting rarer and rarer for me Just being able to sit with my own thoughts and hash things out Eventually that turns into a post which eventually turns into part of a book or something like that But I think that really collecting your thoughts and really contemplating something is really a lost art I don't mean to go all fortune-cookie on you because this isn't some stupid I mean this is just What I think about people, you know want to know how my mind works Usually my best writing are one of the best things that I I can come up with or is the stuff that I want to think are just these seminal posts that I put out I'm glad you asked that because that's true when I when I'm going to sleep when I'm just like if I can't sleep, you know And sometimes I do I really have insomnia or I really can't just be sitting there staring at the ceiling But I go with it now. I've learned not to fight it I don't go I need to be blessed you in your turn to share with that. I don't need That's alright. No, I don't want I don't want any lunesta or ambient or something to help me sleep because it's that point where I'm really in the zone I think and I mean so that's one thing and then The other thing I just mentioned is, you know, sometimes I'll get in the zone Sometimes I will write a post and I'll put something together in my notebook because I always constantly keep my notebook And so I'll write stuff down and I'll write up ideas for for things and sometimes I might flesh them out a little bit and then some some posts I just Like go A, B, C, D, you know, these are the topics that I want to hit that are relating to the main theme of the post And I'll write them out and that's usually something that I can do fairly regularly But the really good seminal post that I have that end up in the book Especially if you just a very easy example is Oneitis I can remember when I was thinking that I was remembering, you know How my my brother-in-law hung himself because he had Oneitis and he literally could not live without his yeah, you know my my sister-in-law and So, you know, I'm contemplating that and it's funny because my wife reminded me that this is not too long goes when when all that shit was Going down happened in 2003. I Was go I had actually gone to bed that night that we discovered that he was dead and I went to bed and I sat Bolt upright in the middle of the night and I said there is something we are missing There's something that we did not get and whether that was, you know The spirit of my brother-in-law coming to me in the sleep or whether it was just something that wasn't right in my head My subconscious just didn't accept that and I seriously I sat bolt upright in bed I go there is something we are not we are not seeing here And that's when I realized that, you know, I need to write something about it I need to get a little bit more invested in I wasn't writing books then I was just writing stuff on the social forum But again, what do you do with your thoughts once just you and your thoughts? That's what I do. I write. I just come up I have these internal conversations with myself and those often turn into some of my best posts where when I get into the zone I don't need all the outline that I'm writing in my notebook. I just go and it just Writing to me is like something that needs to come out of me. It's like it's like an excrement, you know I'm not like shit, but like it's like your hair or your fingernails a process Something you exude or something that just kind of flows out of you. That's just You honored him with your post can't yeah, I can't that's perfect That was incredible. If anybody We should take a moment to recognize That shit yeah, that was incredible How do you how do you move in by by a loss Jesus by camaraderie? Oh, and and being very serious you honor his memory in life By the work that you put everybody at this conference has been like referring to me as being a rock star This conference is being rocks. I'm one of the three ours, right? That's very humbling to me and I don't want to be all humble braggy or whatever, but But I don't feel like a rock star. I really don't I'm glad that people like me I'm glad people you know look up to me. That's great. I'm glad I'm admired, but Again, I'm just the messenger. I'm just the writer that's putting this stuff out and I feel like I've you know I've everybody was asking me what's next you got three books. What's what's next? Yeah, and I'll say from an observer standpoint. That's terribly true. Yeah, you're like your home You're incredibly funny. Yeah, you know you are incredibly humble you're incredibly introvert in your introspection and The degree in which you care with empathy is incredibly Related in your behavior now by what you say, but what you've done I just you know, I don't I don't ever want to get to a point where I'm not real and where I'm not It's huge. I'm not I like I was saying I would rather be creating. I'd rather be writing a book and talking about I'd rather be making art and talking about making art because What do they say if Those who can't do like teach or those who can't do talk about it all the time Right, but I can still do what I'm going to keep doing because I think that the message needs to be I think the message is that important and that's again. We're just sort of bring this thing full circle That's one of the reasons why when I told Anthony, I said look I'm not coming on I'm not coming here unless Unless we can do this in a rep you'll fashion unless we can do this in some way that has some qualitative difference than what you've done before Because what you did before is not something that I'm going to co-brand my stuff with But if we do it in a way that where we can bring in all these red pill guys from all these different aspects Then that's going to what's that going to do that's going to promote the message That's going to get it to the most amount of guys because I'm not in this for the money I really am not a lot of people think too many people think that I do this for a living I don't Well, I mean sell I sell this for a living, but I have another job. I have a day job I don't my income and my revenue is not dependent on me writing So that frees me up to be as honest as I can be I don't have to worry about. Oh, what is my audience want to hear? I don't I don't tell you what the fuck you want to hear I will not tell you what you want to hear ever I'm going to tell you what I think is going on and what I think matters and what I think is You know, it's good. I said, I'm not in the business of making better man I'm in the business of men making themselves better man And the only way I know how to do that is to give them the tools so that they can become better man That is important to me. That's why I Agreed to this because you know, Anthony was nice enough to give me the leeway to do that. Oh Jesus Christ He fucking man. I mean like how would you know? The same time It's time isn't yeah, it's time. All right shit. That's time. No, I Know I hate to do this shit, but by God. I'm booking better man than I am Okay, this has been absolutely incredible I would you ever there isn't a man though the legs of jack Donovan the legs and great shit Honest to God and you talk a gentle soul a light. Are we gonna fly in? Yeah, we're not on it. Oh, but I don't you know mine in all honesty I is as involved as I've been with Anthony this this particular function I am bookend by absolutely superior men who are tremendously humble and yes, I'm looking at you, maybe What's up? God damn it. I hate this fucking dude, but this this is what we desperately need This is what you need and if you get anything from these videos You may lose sight of the specific words that we have But remember how we made you feel that is gonna resonate in your soul biologically for a reason I'm Sarkar T's This is Rolo Tomasi This is an amazing man right here in the father Hunter Drew I'm signing off for 21 radio. Thank you and good night