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Sorry for the delay This is our September 12th 2023 Meeting it is now for 12 and we will be starting our meeting madam City clerk may please call the roll Thank You mayor Councilmember staff here councilmember Rogers here councilmember O'Crepkey here councilmember Fleming here councilmember Alvarez President vice mayor McDonald here mayor Rogers present let the record show all council members are present We have no study sessions today, so we'll go right into our Proclamation that we have and I will be Presenting this proclamation whereas Throughout the United States the week starting on the third Monday of September is recognized as national pollution prevention week and Whereas throughout much of California cities Counties and other stewardship Organizations are recognized the third week of September as Creek week and whereas 238 creeks and approximately 350,000 residents of the Russian River watershed are connected and mutually support each other making the Russian River along with its tributaries and associated features Important resources to the people of Sonoma and Mendocino counties and whereas Pollution in the form of trash and debris Chemical from in dust from industry and everyday living and sediment from construction and many land uses and activities all have the potential to degrade the quality of life and the quality of resources within the Russian River watershed and whereas The city of Santa Rosa strives to protect our lands our waterways through ongoing Pollution prevention outreach to raise awareness of the harmful effects of pollutants to our natural systems Now though now therefore it be a resolve that I Natalie Rogers mayor of the city of Santa Rosa on behalf of the entire city council Do hereby proclaim that September 18th through September 24th? 2023 as pollution prevention week and proclaims September 16th through September 23rd 2023 as Creek week in the city of Santa Rosa and ask all members of our community to support efforts to protect our watershed health by participating in the many Creek week activities and to take steps to reduce Pollution and care for our environment throughout the year Thank you, I would like to invite the representative that will be receiving this Proclamation to make a comment at this time after the comment is made from the representative madam city clerk Can you please facilitate public comment? Thank you mayor Rogers and members of the council My name is Kyle spawnberg and I'm an environmental Specialist with the city's stormwater and Creek section and I'm excited to be here today to talk to you all about The upcoming Creek week events we have planned For over a decade Creek week has offered fun Educational events and volunteer opportunities to the residents of Santa Rosa to help raise awareness of the harmful effects that pollutants have on our natural systems To kick off Creek week this year We have partnered with the Laguna de Santa Rosa Foundation to lead a beginner's workshop on nature journaling which will take place on Saturday, September 16th on Sunday, September 17th our stormwater and Creek staff will lead a guided nature walk along Santa Rosa Creek Beginning a flat rock park and traveling upstream to one of our restoration sites Due to popular demand staff will be leading four different downtown underground tours this year To on Tuesday, September 19th and two more on Thursday, September 21st to explore the culverts that run beneath City Hall on On Wednesday, September 20th City staff are invited to participate in our second annual dash for trash competition We'll have cleanup stations with supplies staged near our municipal buildings downtown at the Prince Memorial Greenway and At Santa Rosa Creek at stony point road On Friday September 22nd members of the public are encouraged to hop on their bikes and join us for the tour to Creek trail bike ride Where they can enjoy scenic Creek views and learn about the over 40 miles of pathways along our creeks Finally, we'll be capping off Creek week on Saturday, September 23rd with a volunteer Creek cleanup along the Prince Memorial Greenway on Santa Rosa Creek We do ask anyone's anyone that is interested in attending one of these events to please visit our website at srcity.org slash Creek week to register for anyone that cannot attend one of these in-person events We do have virtual online activities listed on our website as well Thank you for your time, and we look forward to seeing you all at the creek week events this year Thank you. We are now taking public comments on item 6.1 if you're in chamber would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star 9 You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period See no one in council chamber wishing to provide public comment I'm going to turn it over to our zoom host where I see one participant with their hand raised Thank You Dina Caller I have enabled your permissions. Go ahead whenever you're ready. We can hear you go right ahead Hi, I am calling in about the garage on the third street courthouse square garage With an opinion that I think this should remain open Hi, this is the wrong item. We're now taking public comment for item 6.1, which is our proclamation But it's really hard to follow all this because we're seeing different things online that we're hearing on the phone Okay, I apologize about that. So if you what when will we be up or when will I be able to be able to say something about? When the mayor calls item 12 on the consent calendar, you'll be able to provide public comment on all items on The kinsen calendar today Okay, so when do you think she'll be on item 12 as soon as we get through the agenda will be on item 12 right now? We're on 6.1 Okay, will you just open the phone for me then I will open the phone for you so you can give your Comment. All right. Thank you so much Or can I just record it I? Believe it's too late to record it and I'm sorry, but we can't take any more time in the meeting So we'll be there briefly. Thank you. Thank you mayor. See no others go in Thank you mayor that concludes public comment Perfect seeing no additional comments. I would like to welcome those that are here receiving this proclamation Down so we can take our beautiful picture to represent our Creek week. Thank you so much All right Sorry about that madam city attorney. I did not give you the privilege of announcing About our closed session, so would you like to do that now? Thank you mayor rogers. I appreciate it Council met in closed session on two items item 2.1 In that item council discussed and gave direction to the city's IT director concerning cyber security issues council also met in closed session on Agenda item 2.2 where council discussed and gave direction to its real property negotiators on the potential disposition of property Commonly known as crush 5 and the White House site and lot 11. Thank you Thank you. We will continue to item 7 our staff briefings madam city manager Thank You madam mayor and good evening members of council. We actually have three Staff briefings today item 7.1 is the city thread grant update So if staff could come down and introduce themselves and their titles for the record. Thank you That the correct button. Yes, I can hear myself. Hi. Good afternoon mayor rogers and city council members My name is Torina Wilson, and I'm the city's new transportation planner. I've been here for a couple months Thank you. I'm very excited to be here And I hope this is the first of many times that I'm here to address you and Rob Good afternoon mayor rogers members of the city council Rob sprinkle transportation public works deputy director traffic Great. Thanks, Rob. So, yes, I'm here to give you an update on the city thread grant in 2022 bikeable Santa Rosa partnered with city of Santa Rosa and applying for a grant with city thread Which is a national nonprofit organization that helps connect communities through better active transportation infrastructure specifically infrastructure that's low stress and continuous Santa Rosa was one of only ten communities that were chosen nationwide So this was a really exciting opportunity for us. We're really thankful for bikeable with working with us When city thread partners with cities like ours, they help identify barriers to complete the low stress active transportation network They help provide feedback on how to engage with the community and community-based partners and how to leverage existing winds Things that we're already doing The Santa Rosa traffic engineering division worked with city thread and bikeable Santa Rosa for a six-month period To assess challenges to completing low stress infrastructure The result of that process was an accelerated mobility playwork playbook Excuse me that gives city staff clear feedback on how to address these challenges through a phased approach The phases in the approach include generating momentum developing communication plans and building consensus Mobilizing and implementing quick build projects and remaining engaged with the community from start to finish The report also notes that the city council acts as an important ally to foster broad and diverse community coalition City staff is going to work to increase community coalition through the upcoming Update to the 2018 bicycle and pedestrian master plan. We're going to be renaming this plan to the active transportation plan so it's a bit more inclusive of You know walking rolling things like that This plan update which is going to begin in October will harness the ambitious goals that the city thread report outlines And it's going to work to reach community consensus and support for completing our low stress active transportation network in the entire city In the meantime, I wanted to let you know of how we're already meeting a lot of the goals in the city thread report Again celebrating our winds This summer we installed our first protected cycle track, which is located on Armory Drive We have a second cycle track that's going in on Santa Rosa Avenue in the coming months. And as you know, we have some New bicycle facilities going in downtown as part of our pavement prevention measure project So by the end of 2023, we will have constructed 5.58 miles of new bike lanes Excuse me either new or improving them. So upgrading existing bike lanes to be a little bit more low stress than they currently are And we look forward to coming back soon to discuss the progress of the active transportation plan update with you Particularly to discuss our progress and goals toward an active transportation network that is accessible for all ages and all abilities That's all I have public comment Thank you We are now taking public comment on the item of 7.1 If you would like to provide a public comment, but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star 9 You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period Please go ahead Hi, I'm Chris Gunther. I'm one of the co-leads of bike will Santa Rosa I just want to take a quick moment to say thanks for the update and especially thanks to The staff and the council for their leadership and support in the city thread process It was really amazingly successful from our perspective versus where we thought we would be when we started and Just want to emphasize that the partnership continues and so really appreciate it And really excited about the upcoming plan and working together with the council and staff to keep taking next steps Thanks Thank you. I'm going to turn it over to our zoom host where I see a hand being raised for public comment on item 7.1 Thank you Eris, I've enabled your permissions. Go ahead whenever you're ready. Hi, I'm Eris Weaver executive director at Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition and I am just so happy to see the quick strides that the city has been making since this whole process started you know when when the Chris and Alexa started their whole campaign in a couple you know year or two ago I actually had some people in the community say to me Oh, is this like bad competition for your organization to which I said heck no the more people who are Working to make our city a more livable and bikeable and friendly and fun place to live better And I am just so proud of all the work that they have done and so pleased In that collaboration with the staff and working with our new transportation and active transportation planners We're doing great. These are happening. It's Eris, were you finished? Yes Great. Thank you. We have no more hands raised in zoom. Thank you very much for that presentation Next we will have community empowerment plan update. Hi. Good afternoon. Lon Peterson with the communications And in our government relations office I'm here to do the community empowerment update for September First I wanted to just highlight. I will send an email of all this to the council since there's a lot of details After this so you'd have to write down stuff so frantically Last Thursday the Santa Rosa police chief attended town hall kicked off by a mayor Natalie Rogers and council member Alvarez That was held at Rosalind University prep in Rosalind. They're about a hundred residents in attendance. It was Great to see the chief engage with the community members at breakout sessions as well as I'm responding to questions. I'm in the audience Upcoming next Thursday, September 19th from 5 p.m. To 7 the Santa Rosa police department is Hosting tacos with a cop and that's in it'll be on Apple Valley Lane So for those attending look out for a taco truck as well as some police cars This is an opportunity for the Santa Rosa police department to interact with the community But providing awesome tacos and great conversation Up next next day on Wednesday, September 20th The police department is kicking off their next cohort. It's for the policia Eli community dad, which is a five-week education program that they put together Specifically for Spanish-speaking community so residents can meet and build relationships with the police department Each week they will highlight different topics of police work to foster understanding and encourage Dialogue with police officers more information about that program as well as application to apply is available at srcity.org slash Spanish CPE All right next up on Thursday the next day September 21st from 4 to 6 p.m SRPD is hosting ice cream of the cop at Fruta ice cream This is located on 52 emission boulevard They will be engaging in the community in Rankin Valley as well as Montgomery village areas and final one is Saturday September 23rd from 2 to 11 p.m Santa Rosa police department along with fire department recreation VPP and the water department are all attending the 14th annual South Park Day and Night Festival And this is at Martin Luther King Junior Park. This is a long-standing event that brings community together This event has music entertainment food movie night and a whole lot more and you can find out everything about that event at EFZM Hyphen engage comm and that concludes my update for September Thank you You're welcome vice mayor McDonald On could you tell me when the ice cream with a cop the date of that? I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you Yeah, absolutely. So it's September 21st 4 to 6 p.m Fruta ice cream 52 mission boulevard 4 to 6 and is that on our website about this event? I did I saw the one the tacos with a cop. I just hadn't seen this one yet. All of these are on the City's website. Thank you so much. Yeah, make sure you send that one over to the press Democrats. I think they all want the scoop Well done Chris Rogers well done Had to go there. Oh god. Did you plan that before this meeting? All right, thank you so much and we will now go to public comment on 7.2 Thank you If you're in council chamber would like to comment on 7.2, but I have not provided a speaker card Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom, please dial star 9 or raise your hand You'll have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period May I'm seeing no hands being raised via zoom and no one approaching the podium Awesome. Thank you so much. We will now go to item 7.3 spring summer Programs recap From our recreation and parks department Good evening mayor Rogers vice mayor McDonald members of the council My name is chef Tibbets deputy director for the recreation and parks department on the recreation side Please enjoy the slideshow as I'm talking as I'm very passionate about recreation The one thing I know is that I cannot talk about the impacts of it nearly as well as the Participants faces can tell it so Please enjoy the slideshow as it goes on The purpose this evening is to give you a recap of what took place this past spring summer We don't need to go too far into the details of what it's been like the last few years as we try to get back to What we used to call normal But fortunately as we as we wrap up the spring and summer It's feeling a lot more that way So very excited to share some information with you, but as I share that information I'm also asking that pay attention to or give thought to I know you always pay attention to me Give thought to what you might want to see in reports in particular with recreation programming We are looking to how we gather our data We changed our registration software in 2017 and it's been fires and pandemics and all sorts of things since then So we're really even though it's been six years We're still trying to transition to the data that we have the information we have accessible So we really want to put together a nice report that can be used either annually or bi-annually And this is just a snippet of some of that information But as we develop that what is information you might be looking for the department so that we put together a report in the future that that tackles those We're looking at in three categories. If you have another category, please share that with me But we're looking to tell our story through participation numbers. We're looking to tell it through financial Numbers and then as well through satisfaction And so satisfaction is an area that we really want to build out more Cohesively as the recreation division to tell our story. We've done it independently by different program areas So really looking to build that up over this year so that we can give you good satisfaction data From our participants, but some of the information I have to share this evening from our spring and summer the six months of March through August really excited it's hard for us to tell a story of of Participants we use three terms. That's participants. That's guests and then that's visitors for us a participant Is someone who is signed up for one of our programs a guest is someone who is? attending a community event a wedding one of those Picnic that has a permit through our department Visitors are all the people that come to our parks and our community centers I will never be able to give you that data that is impossible for me to gather How many people are actually visiting our parks and our centers? But as far as participants goes those who have participated in our programs through the six months of spring summer over 180,000 participants in our recreation programs as far as our guests are concerned over half a million guests coming to our parks for park events community events park permits picnic reservations and Facility rentals, so that's very exciting. We have a few memberships really our memberships are about For aquatics and seniors or to provide discounts We sold an additional in that time 341 aquatics memberships and additional 166 senior Memberships and then we also use memberships through our neighborhood services programs with the violence prevention Team and we added an additional 316 members to those services as well in that time As far as our revenue for the 22 23 fiscal year We set a goal to recover back to 85 percent of our pre-covid. We exceeded that well over 90 percent And in the last six months for our spring summer brought in over two million dollars Which puts us well past our goal of three million dollars for annual revenue So as I said, we are getting back to an assemblance of what normal used to be and it's very exciting to to report out on that With that said quantitative data is great And I'd love to hear what you'd like but recreation is about qualitative And so I would like to invite for a brief recap of one of our programs I know I can't talk about every program what we do, but junior warriors. I'm sorry junior Giants basketball program So I'm asking Juan Flores our recreation coordinator and the junior Giants representative and one of our participants itself to come down and join me and give you a little quick brief overview of that program because They can do it a lot better than I can Hi everybody, my name is Juan Flores. I'm a recreation coordinator with Neighborhood Services within recreation and parks. I also was this summer's junior Giants commissioner for our baseball and softball league So with that our junior Giants program. Yes, we play baseball. We love the game We want to provide the youth with a great opportunity to play But we want to build positive characteristics Through the program with this comes weekly discussions about teamwork anti-bullying integrity And much more the junior Giants program provides a lot of opportunities for our youth which served 275 youth this summer with the help of 75 local community volunteers Including It sells parents who volunteered and it sells family who participated It sell is up here because she is one of ten recipients for the Harman and Sue scholarship award So with over 30,000 youth that participated in the junior Giants program within California, Nevada and Oregon Itself that out of them was one of ten selected after her extensive application Which included four short essays and she is the 2023 recipient of a $10,000 scholarship Which is the Harman and Sue scholarship award. I'm sorry. Can we stop? Thank you Thank you for Letting me be here today and talk here because this is a very special moment that I'll be thinking about for my entire life because I'm here so That's nice So thank you for having me here Thank you for being such a great representation of the youth that we have in our community Thank you. Thank you You should see the giant smile on your family's face behind you. I know you can't see it, but it's huge And that concludes the the briefing for recreation for the spring summer That was like icing on the cake I already thought it was hard to pay attention to you when you had all those cute faces and fun activities flashing on our screens But definitely icing on the cake. Keep up the good work. Okay All right. Thank you very much. We will now take it to I just want you all to know jeff is so passionate. He wanted to come in here and his halloween costume early Is he truly believes in director of fun? We had to remind him that he was in a council meeting but Jeff we do appreciate your leadership and And watching those last member rogers though and his and his jokes I think we could have actually handled the costume. The costume. Yeah We appreciate you. This is it's really important work that you do We will now take it to public comment Thank you mayor. We are now taking public comment on 7.3 If you are in council chamber and would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium. If you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star nine You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period May I am seeing no hands being raised and no one in the room making their way to the podium Again, thank you very much for the presentation. Oh, would you like to take a picture with the council? All right, let's do it All right now that we all have big smiles on our faces. We will ask The city manager and city attorney to report out for item eight I have no items this evening to report out on thank you I have no settlements to report. Just note that our August report on settlements active litigation and claims is in your packet Thank you. Madam city clerk. Can you please facilitate public comment on item eight? Thank you. We are now taking public comment on item eight if you are in the chamber and would like to comment Please make your way to the podium If you are participating via zoom, please dial star nine or raise your hand You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period Mayor I'm seeing no hands being raised and no one approaching the podiums in chamber Statements of abstention by council members. Are there any Seeing none will move to items in which is mayor and council members reports. Are there any reports from council members? council member step Thank you, madam mayor Just three quick items to highlight some community openings that happened in the last week Red Latinx the hub kicked off their second annual once long Workshop focused on Latinx entrepreneurs in particular bilingual entrepreneurs. It's a it's a great service to our local Our local business community. So thanks to Hector Velazquez and Rosie Gomez for that And then a few us were present at the sRJC opening of the of the polyomera Doyle hall Which provides 352 new units of housing for the community Obviously focused on students particularly low-income students at sRJC That is a fantastic addition not only to that campus, but the community as a whole And then lastly the museum of sinoma county opened up their stories of sinoma county exhibit permanent permanent exhibition Which which highlights gala baron's contributions to our local history. It's a fabulous new exhibit. Many of us were there And I think we think we don't encourage everyone who has an interest to to pay a trip to the library. Thank you very much Thank you council member alvarez Thank you, madam mayor Quick, we just want to thank the community for coming out for our town hall meeting mayor I mean, it was it was a great turnout a lot of honest conversation passionate conversation And especially especially want to thank the community But nonetheless the people that made it possible from city staff our community advisory board the vines for our prevention folks And it was just really a team effort a community effort, which I really am happy to see and hopefully we can have more of them In the in the near future. Thank you Thank you council member rogers Thank you mayor Two things of note for council one. We had an economic development subcommittee meeting today We are in the process of developing and risa promised us in the meeting I think three times today that she'll start the actual writing of the report tomorrow We are developing our comprehensive strategic action plan for the city that really looks at Where are our deficiencies in terms of recruitment retention? support And building a toolbox Excuse me For our community for economic development and looking at the regional level at the neighborhood level at what Types of businesses we need to incentivize to go into certain areas To help folks identify that 15 minute city concept for them to be able to move about We also have had a really really heavy couple of weeks on the scta rcpa side Part of that is we were finishing up the recruitment for our new executive director So we did meet in closed session Most of yesterday finishing those interviews and hopefully we'll have something to announce soon on that front And then we also had as we do around this time every couple of years Two of the most significant things that we work on which are our regionally a regionally significant projects list As well as our state transportation improvement programs list We basically make recommendations on what we think should be funded around the region We send that to the metropolitan transportation commission For the different pots of money that they have and then folks like our representative on mtc Council member fleming get to then go and fight for additional resources and dollars to come back to our community So some of the things that made it on the regionally significant projects list was completion of the expansion of 101 It's the final 239 million that gets that project completely finished It's our local bus service frequency boost program That's a countywide one, but obviously san rosa city bus would part would be participating in that We have funding for smart to windsor and then from windsor to healdsburg and then healdsburg to cloverdale That were recommended and supported from the scta for that and then the north petaluma station That that's in construction as well Finally the call field bridge down in petaluma For the straight transportation state transportation improvement program Some of the things that you'll see us advocating for on behalf of sonoma county But in particular san rosa is ev bus purchases and infrastructure to complete that work that our team has been really key on The transit hub improvements that we've discussed here the 101 bike bridge Shows up in a number of different requested places for funding and then additional resources for downtown connectivity So that full plan is available on scta's website with some Modifications to be uploaded from what we did yesterday But it really was a really big and good discussion And i've got to say to the other commissioners on scta that represent all of the different jurisdictions We really do work well to try to send as many projects that are significant to jurisdictions to mtc So hopefully uh our mtc commissioners will be able to deliver like they have been Thank you councilmember fliming Thank you. Um, it's let's see tomorrow on mtc at the barrier housing finance authority We will be discussing the housing bond in particular the 20 allocation that'll go return to The housing uh the barrier housing finance authority to direct programming and regional planning And so that is expected to be an interesting discussion for those of you who might want to follow that I'd like to extend Congratulations to all the volunteered for the san rosa rural cemetery preservation committee Which will be hosting their 25th annual A lamp light tour which is already sold out started in 1997 this event Uh is a reenactment of historical events in the In the rural cemetery and apparently i've heard is great fun I'm unfortunately will not be able to attend if it's not Suitable for children. So keep that in mind. It's gonna be a fun night And then um from the city manager's office We've got some good news about the city's down payment assistance loan program, which is now available Santa Rosa residents who meet income eligibility can receive deferred interest loan of up to $75,000 Towards the purchase of their first home the program can also be combined with burbank housing's Cal home program which offers up to a hundred thousand dollars to residents who qualify More information is available at srcd.org slash d dash pal And this is a great way to build intergenerational wealth and I encourage anybody who knows somebody to share this information Thank you vice mayor mcdonnell Thank you, mayor I was able to attend a number of events in the city on behalf of city council But the first one that I went to was at caritas Village they did the expansion of their housing. So I was able to go to the ribbon cutting for that event I want to say thank you so much to skyhawk united community group and diana cotting and our parks department for the work That was done in skyhawk park. There was some deferred maintenance that had been done Not been done after the fires and the community all came together and I want the Entire council to know I didn't just give out Snow cones at this event. I actually pulled weeds cut down trees and was working. I actually was sweating a little bit I attended the foresees fundraising event. They were celebrating their 50 years Celebration and anniversary So I just want to do a shout out and thank them for all that they do in the community to provide quality child care To those who need it And then probably one of the most fun events I've been able to go to on behalf of our mayor was to the canine companion service dogs Proclamation I was able to go and present a proclamation And I just wanted to share a little bit september is national service dog month And it's an entire month long celebration That that really dedicates It really dedicates the month to understanding what the what these canines and volunteers and our community goes through to make sure that these service dogs Are in support of community members But in 1975 here in santa rosa is where canine companions actually Started and so we have this wonderful facility that we were able to go to The schultz have donated money and they're going to be expanding it But I just want to say thank you so much to all of them that for all the work that they do as a non-profit in our community I was able to play with puppies. So it was really like the best Ever only babies can take precedence for me over puppies. So thank you to them for allowing me to go Thank you to mayor for the opportunity to go and present that We also had our first santa rosa city school and city council meeting And so I was um honored that mayor has appointed me to be a part of that committee Um, I attended the listening session as well at roseland use of university prep And I wanted to just thank staff as well as mayor and council member alvarez for the great job that they did facilitating facilitating comments from the public And being able to listen to the concerns um from the community and and I am hopeful as well that we'll continue that In all the different districts and next week the violence prevention partnership will meet On the 20th and so I look forward to meeting with all of our partners that participate in that meeting Thank you Thank you I would like to start my report by appointing rene gundy to the zero waste Sonoma and report out on COC meeting the county staff provided an update on plans to ramp down its tent shelter known as the emergency shelter site ess at the county administrative campus and The board of supervisors approved an alternate site for the ess county owned property on russell avenue to include safe parking in tiny homes And improving existing dormitories at low skill ago to replace the palette shelter village low skill ago's village And county staff will be conducting community outreach to inform the public about plans for these sites um And then I also was able to bring up warming centers an anticipation of the cold winter that we can anticipate coming that I think we need to start preparing for warming centers and winter Shelter capacity Also, we had a special meeting And the board approved the final priority listing Rating and ranking for the renewal of new projects As part of the coc's annual application to HUD Which provides approximately four million annually to the coc for services and housing for individuals and families experiencing homelessness Uh, I will try not to repeat everything that other people have said but um some events that I was able to attend um, one was the cold uh One cold night, which uh, it was an informational session by uh social advocates for youth um And their their motto is one night one county one mission, but people will be allowed to Sleep outdoors on their premises without all the luxuries that we normally have So that we can see how it is to Be unhoused so it gives us an opportunity to experience that And I was able to attend The community action partnership open house, which was great A lot of young children um that I was able to meet and it was Great to see organizations that are expanding And getting new homes in our community I was able to meet with the santa rosa school board to along with Vice mayor mcdonnell uh to discuss common goals challenges and how we can work together to meet the needs of the community And highlights on recent days, uh, was our town hall, which I am very thankful for everyone that came out to participate Um, september 8th. I was able to visit st. Vincent de paul community kitchen Um, I was able to prep and serve lunch to some of our unhoused residents And also I wanted to point out that the kitchen is in need of volunteers I also attended The ribbon cutting for sr jc So I won't go into that, but I will say that sr jc continues to lead the way in creating a whole person educational experience So I would like to applaud them for that Uh, the sonoma county ribbon cutting was great and showcase Permanent the permanent exhibit that takes you through the history of sonoma county Uh, it will be changing. So if you have not gone, please do go but continue to go because the exhibit will be changing as long as it's there Um, and I attended the connection is prevention Even in old court house square and that was this past sunday. Um, our community continues to be rich with resources Uh, to prevent suicide and to bring awareness to suicide But it's events like this one that happened on sunday that helps those resources get out into the community And lastly, although I've always been told not to Um, I really have to say that I think the city of santa rosa has Some wonderful wonderful staff. So if you work for the city of santa rosa I thank you for everything that you do It's by all your work that we are able to do what we do So thank you very much for all your work And that concludes my report. Madam city clerk. May you please facilitate public comment? Thank you, mayor. We are now taking public comments on item 10 if you are in the council chamber I would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom, please dial star nine or raise your hand You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period All right, we're going to start with mr. DeWitt Mr. Wayne DeWitt i'm from roseland. I wanted to thank the mayor and council member alvarez plus miss mcdonald For coming over to the hood and hanging out with us for a bit One of the difficult things about those kinds of meetings though Is they basically are set up so that the folks from roseland are the minority Everything out there when you come and do these things is geared toward how the staff is going to do things And it's the type of thing where we would appreciate if the mayor and mr. Alvarez would come back And sit down and talk with us and hang out and let us talk with you About the issues rather than having all these different staff members and boards and commissions people And everyone else there saying how we have to do it How we have to sit at the tables and have the forum their way etc It feels to many people that we get talked at rather than talked with Many people did not come that night even though i had told them what was happening They're like dude, we've been through this dog and pony show a number of times Most recently because the city's geared towards getting the funding to do their heron hub And using us and our poverty up in roseland on sabastical road to justify a lot of it They're now holding the meetings over there. So they're essentially staging the meetings with us as a prop Rosalind's now the prop to move forward with what you folks want to do We understand that and I don't mind that in many ways But you got your average worker a guy that comes home About this time of the evening after a hard eight hours He wants to get with his family and stuff He's not real prone to come out and sit down And have to have His next hour to an hour and a half controlled by the way the situation works Now you've had one woman that's come there the last two times and she jumps up and monopolizes things That's not representative of rosalind and how we do stuff. We're very polite We abide by the rules. We follow the guidelines that you give us and nobody came down there to make Which we call that a disturbance Yeah, we're not there to do that. We're there to participate in our democratic approach To self-governance That's something that veterans give their lives for sometimes to make sure that we have this opportunity So i'm very glad that you come there. I'm glad you've been supporting veterans Glad you're going to have veterans day coming up today over at the board of supervisors They pointed out there's 110 homeless veterans that they know about And we think that they should use those pallet homes out there at los guilicas and move them to the veterans hall And put the veterans there instead they say they have to demolish them And they say they have to end the homeless thing over at the county campus because the city permitting That doesn't seem fair. Please talk with us. Not at us. Thank you kindly Thank you. I see no one else approaching the podium for item 10 And I see no hands being raised via zoom mayor Thank you. We will now move to item 11 approval of minutes We have one set of minutes that require approval dated august 22nd 2023 council. Are there any corrections to the minutes? Seeing none madame city clerk. Can you please facilitate public comment? Thank you. We are now taking public comment on item 11.1 If you are in chamber and would like to comment but are have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are providing comment from zoom Please dial star 9 or raise your hand. You'll have three minutes Mayor mc. No one approached the podiums in the chamber and no hands being raised via zoom Thank you. Moving to item 12 our consent items Madam city clerk. Can you please read the consent items? Thank you mayor item 12.1 motion contract award sonoma avenue pavement rehabilitation east street to bobe lane drive Item 12.2 motion contract award for the finley aquatic center spray ground and renovation project 2023 item 12.3 motion approval of amendment number two to project work order With a ecom for additional design services associated with the herne avenue interchange project at highway 101 item 12.4 resolution authorization to continue participation and increase discount in the Clipper start low-income transit fair subsidy pilot program Item 12.5 resolution approval of additional funds to Contingency for general services agreement f 002071 with matrix hg ink for hvac maintenance and repair services Item 12.6 resolution amendment approval ninth amendment to f 001438 ads mires janitorial service Item 12.7 resolution adoption of the continuity of operations plan Item 12.8 resolution professional services agreement number f 002624 With odp business solutions for a storage area network or san update and ongoing maintenance Item 12.9 resolution of this council of the city of santa rosa to appropriate To the water enterprise fund one million five hundred dollars that was authorized in the 2022 state of california budget act for the implementation of santa rosa waters direct install water use efficiency program Item 12.10 resolution approval to enter into an exclusive negotiation agreement between the city of santa rosa and rogall Projects for the real property located at 625 and 637 third street santa rosa california Also known as assessor parcel numbers 009-013-011 And 009-013-012 or garage five Item 12.11 Resolution approval to enter into an exclusive negotiation agreement among the city of santa rosa Burbank housing development corporation In 10 e street llc for the real property Located At 730 third street santa rosa california also known as assessor parcel number 009-072-044 or white house site Item 12.12 resolution golf cart lease agreement approval for bennett valley golf course through sourcewell cooperative agreement one two 2220-ccr And item 12.13 ordnance Ordinance adoption ordinance of the council of the city of santa rosa Establishing monthly salary of 24,500 and other compensation and benefits for the city attorney Thank you, madam city clerk bringing it back to council. Are there any questions? Vice mayor mcdonald I just actually have a comment on item 12.7 I just want to bring it to the community's attention that this is our operations plan for emergency And just want to do a quick shout out to staff for the excellent report that they did I'm not sure that it was because it was on item that was just on consent I just wanted to thank them for the work that's been done and I know this is in You know because we've had so many terrible emergencies and in the community But um, I just wanted to point it out that we have a really excellent plan in place and and thank them for that Thank you vice mayor councilmember okrepke Thank you, mayor. I'd like to pull item 12.10 I'm sorry. That was 12.10 Thank you Madam city clerk May you please facilitate public comment Thank you. We are now taking public comment on the consent calendar item 12 If you are in the chamber would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium If you are participating via zoom, please dial star nine or raise your hand You will have three minutes and a countdown timer will alert at the end of that period All right. We are going to start with natalie followed by amy Quick question before I start My comments pertain to 12.10. So is that uh, we're just done, right? I don't need to comment We're going to ask for you to hold that comment Okay, um, because that item was pulled and when we come back to it will be more than happy to hear your comment Thank you. Thank you. I might today. Okay, so we have several names if you are not Wishing to speak on any other item than 12.10. I have amy followed by taraj Mark Abbey dwayne and victoria are any of you speaking on anything else other than 12.10 Mr. DeWitt, please make your way to the podium From the sonoma county housing advocacy group set up almost 30 years ago because of the dearth of affordable residential rental housing At the time there had been a report and a study done About the white house site as it's called That prime piece of land one of the biggest assets at the city of santa rosa's taxpayers own And it's really important. I think that it not be given over to Just one organization in an exclusive negotiation agreement And then have it be an ngo basically that might not be able to guarantee us the economic development driver That we need at that site That site can be a mixed-use building multiple stories and bring in lots of economic activity What it used to do When I was young that was a very popular site for Retail commercial activity in the center of santa rosa It needs to return to that and could easily be a 10 to 12 story building And easily have the first two to three stories Be dedicated to ground floor retail and then above that second and third stories to commercial uses I'm surprised because we didn't get any notification at the sonoma county housing advocacy group That this was declared surplus property back in december One would think that when surplus property was being made available that it would be Well publicized so that you could get the widest net cast to bring in the best possible economic development This is something really important because A hundred years ago. We had the occidental hotel here That in itself was a economic driver because it brought people in to a place to stay And then long term stay for single resident only And commercial all around it. This was a thriving downtown when I was young Essentially poor planning has killed it. It wasn't an earthquake The earthquake was used as an excuse to come in and do urban renewal And take out stuff that were viable buildings Viable businesses and leave us with a brick blockhouse over there that cuts off our whole town And then this downtown area here that has been struggling for 30 some odd years Constantly coming down here saying you have to help us. You have to help us Well, this is the way you don't help them You go out and you get yourself A top line master developer big time stuff the kind that happens not just in san francisco But in new york and in other places los angeles. We can support that if you would do it correctly Thank you for your time Thank you. The next public comment will be from victoria Thank you very much for this opportunity to address the city council My name is victoria yanis and I Am active with homeless action exclamation point for almost 10 years already Damn, I'm getting old Anyway, I was very happy to see the discount on the Is it the consent calendar that that was? because It's very difficult that the two ride buses here in santa rosa They Don't run very often and there's a lot of Areas that don't have Enough bus access for disabled et cetera, especially on Dutton there where you have to walk all the way from the living room past Dutton A couple of blocks to get a bus It's very difficult and also Santa Rosa, I mean yeah, Santa Rosa community health is right there And then california rural legal assistance all this stuff is for poor people And so we very much appreciate the discount and we would like to see more efforts on making a better Public transit system. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from alexa followed by natalie Hi, i'm alexa. I wanted to comment on the item that was pulled from the consent agenda. Should I wait? Yes, thank you I can natalie if you're waiting to speak on 12 point. Are you would you like to speak on 12.11? Okay, thank you. Go ahead Well for airport business center Um, I did want to speak on 12 point 11 the white house site And the negotiation agreement with hue futrell and bourbon housing Um, this is the best site the city ever could have for this. Um, this opportunity downtown in my opinion Um, I have never heard a negative thing about this. Well, okay. Sorry Dwayne just Before that all the business owners and property owners in downtown Which we reached out the downtown action organization board, which i'm on always supported this site So I think the site is perfect and I and I think he's perfect for this with bourbon. So that's all I wanted to say Thank you. I'm going to turn it over to our zoom host where I see one hand being raised via zoom Oh One moment lauren. I see one additional speaker wishing to comment on the consent calendar Please go ahead mr. Ells Can you hear me? It's not uh, is this on can you hear? Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um, usually there's a little timer there with the timers up there. Great. Thank you Um Well, I wanted to comment on 12 point 11 and the downtown When when I grew up I used to visit here a lot and the downtown was thriving My grandfather would not drive through downtown So we I never got a chance to to ride with him downtown, but with my grandmother was she would drive downtown Because it was so busy. So he would circumvent it. He would go east street or he would go these different ways all his different ways Um, but there was there were all kinds of things. So, you know, there was uh keegan's department store and there was the the um Rosenberg's department store and these were big stores now I just want to point out that walmart started In a little town in arkansas, you know, I mean Tiny little place or wherever they are. I don't know if they're Nebraska wherever they are The point is the point is they started a little tiny town and Any of these companies could have you know grown and and we should foster that we should we should help I mean any any so the my point is That like dwayne said is that the downstairs of these need to be reserved and some of them are there's a frontage on future else few future else uh development over there on four streets, so so um that that will have Commercial into downstairs and and probably here as well. And I also would point out that It's a little bit of a of a fair haired situation with burbank Knowing who their board is and we all know who their board is so that's Wonderful glad they're here You know, uh, let's open it up to others so that everyone can participate I think the point is is if you have A line of a group of participants They they experience communication with your housing authority They they develop Trust and and partnership and then they can be looked to in the future, but if you if you just groom one group Then all you're going to have is one group. You're going to have Catholic charities and that's it, right? Okay, so it's good to have something besides Burbank And and you have to work on that so I appreciate it. Thank you very much Thank you. The next public comment is from Stephanie Good evening mayor rogers council members city manager smith and staff My name is Stephanie Picard bowen and I get to serve as the deputy director at generation housing Where we envision Vibrant communities where everyone can contribute to an equitable healthy and resilient north bay and that starts with housing We are here in strong support of the staff recommendation for item 12.10 This proposal aligns with our vision of a vibrant equitable and resilient santa rosa where everyone has a home And we thank you for taking bold steps to create more housing And make our city a more vibrant equitable and resilient place to live and work Thank you for your commitment to community to our community's well-being and prosperity and as always. Thank you for your service Okay, any additional public comments in the chamber regarding all items on the Consent calendar excluding 12.10 Okay, now i'm going to turn it over to our zoom host Thank you Eris, I have enabled your permissions. Go ahead whenever you're ready Hi, thank you. Eris, we versus on the county bicycle coalition Um, I want to speak to item 12 11 and what i'm going to say about that actually applies to 12.10 2 which i know i'm not supposed to be talking about yet, but they're they're both kind of intertwined with me um, we're often asked to take positions on issues that are Not bicycle related. I've been asked to take positions on issues around cannabis pesticides Casinos all kinds of things which are not Directly connected to our mission Um, I want to speak in support of both of these resolutions because they do connect with our mission of making our streets safer And more bikeable our land use decisions housing Patterns between where people live and where they work and where they shop and where they recreate are all interconnected and so Move removing public storage for private vehicles Um, and instead creating a more densely populated Downtown where people can walk to the things that they need to do Is very much tied in with the work that we do in terms of making our city Our city's friendlier more walkable more bikeable healthier Decreasing greenhouse gas emissions and all of that fun stuff. Thank you Thank you, eris. We have no more hands raised into And no prerecorded messages. Correct. Thank you Vice mayor mcdonnell, would you like to make a motion? Thank you, mayor I'd like to move items 12.1 through 12.9 and item 12.11 through 12 point 13 Is there any discussion from council on those? Second Oh Sorry But yes, I do have just for um for real estate services. Can we just get clarification? I think that There's some Misinterpretation of what an exclusive negotiating agreement is Um, can you explain how we got to this process? I think there's some people that feel that we selected We reached out and specifically selected somebody Can you just kind of cover that brief process through the surplus lands act? Thank you Good afternoon council. I'm jill scott and the city's real estate manager, and I'm happy to answer your question so The city and all uh government agencies in california are mandated by the surplus lands act The surplus lands act has a specific process when council wants to move forward with the development on land or we want a surplus land That process is that the council is Opportunities are brought forward from staff to council for council consideration which staff did in a course of four different Meetings over about a nine month period time After that process if council Declares a property surplus and declaring a property surplus can be for It doesn't mean it can be it can be declared surplus with an additional use So for instance some of ours downtown features sound downtown lots were declared surplus With requirements to replace certain things in them Once that process is complete then it requires a notice of availability And the city followed these guidelines the notice of availability is Submitted to cal fha's list of affordable developers. That's a very long list We also have to submit to other local agencies parks and recs department or rec and parks departments and I think there's other nonprofit agencies that are on there as well such and And There's a few others on there. I'm not thinking of it at the moment, but we have to submit to all of those I believe we sent it out to Over 1500 1600 and I'm going by memory on this That process is mandated like I said by state once that's done we wait 60 days and then They close the state of california closes the bid system out And all the bids come into our office and are reviewed and then brought to council in closed session We are required during that time to negotiate for 90 days with everyone that submits So each development we're developer that sends a bid in submits to us We were required for 90 days to negotiate and then we have a requirement on what we can What bid we can go with And the winning bids are the most number of affordable units the mandate under this process is 25 of affordability and Council is mandated to choose the one with the most affordable units if there's a Tiebreaker the tiebreaker is the lowest AMI and that's the process that we have followed on the downtown lots Thank you. Are there any additional questions from council? All right cnn madame city clerk may you please call the vote? Thank you councilmember step. Hi councilmember rogers Hi councilmember okrepke. Hi councilmember fleming. Hi councilmember alvarez. Hi vice mayor mcdonald Hi mayor rogers. Hi let the record show Consent items 12.1 through 12.9 and 12.11 through 12.13 passed with the unanimous vote All right, thank you. We're going to bring back item 12.10 So Was there any discussion from council before we go to public comment All right councilman vice mayor mcdonald Thank you, mayor. I just have a clarifying question for you because this is a state mandated process Is there any funding that the city actually can get when we're looking at low-income housing and has the city looked at any type of augment in funding as we're moving forward on projects for this Yes, there's housing authority funds which The they will have to apply for in competitive and the and there was um A grant that the city applied for called iigc Which is an hcd state mandated grant the city It was money that is um you apply for in a grant And it's given to cities for pre development of their lots that are surplus to to get those lots ready for housing So it's to help close that gap on the housing because it's very expensive to build the housing The state put out the The grant I think Around march of this year. It's the first time they've ever done that. It's called the catalyst grant The city applied for it for its downtown lots and we were awarded $9.5 million or close 9.53 million dollars for these downtown lots the City I will say that the at the time we were awarded on all three lots garage 5 lot 11 and white house site A lot 11 we did not come to agreement with anyone on a On any of the bids that were received and so now we are looking at just two lots They the state awarded us the money as Most of the we fell into the large category on this so the large city agency category on this which Puts us in competition with places like la san diego oakland those places were awarded 35 and 45 million because they had very They had a a lot of property with a lot of units their density is a lot bigger than we are here The state had after they awarded those big awards had a little less than 10 million left over and with all of the Other agencies that had applied our size They decided they wanted to give the money to award the money to santa rosa to help With their plight of building housing in the downtown and to fill some of those gaps that were finding that make it more difficult Thank you for that and then is there anything that we have to comply with to receive the grant money? We do we have a tight timeline which is always concerning and hard to meet but We have to we have another Because it was not a full funding amount. So we applied for 15 million. We were awarded a smaller amount, which is 9.53 Hcd gave us a couple of weeks, which is the end of next week. We just found out about this We got on the first council agenda item that we could and We have until the end of the next week to bring forward to Hcd a plan on those two lots and how much money we can so there's an actual calculator that works out It's a complicated process, but it goes by a number of affordable units and levels of am i Within that we can be awarded a certain amount of money on those two lots and that plan that final plan for number of units and level of am i has to be into hcd by the end of next week Are there any additional questions from council? Councilman row crappy Thank you. Um Just to try to to nip some concerns there may be in the bud from the general public Regardless of whether this is awarded tonight or it goes out to an rfp Through the surplus lands act would this be mandated to do housing and affordable housing If it goes through that process If it goes through the surplus lands act process, yes once we complete the surplus land act process and if we don't come to agreement and an exclusive no she negotiation agreement or in a Development agreement then we've completed with anyone that's bid then we've completed the surplus lands act process And we can move to rfp It's we do have to have 15 percent of on all city property They're after that process you do have to have 15 affordable housing on anything that you do unless we're doing some sort of city project so In essence. Yes, it would be mandated for housing. All right, and then um, would that also include? the The 75 parking spaces that uh, I believe it was last council last year Committed yes, we surplused it and then the surplus In the actual not deed but in the surplus resolution It mandates that if that project is to be redeveloped in any way that we have to At the city's expense. We have to replace a minimum of 75 parking spaces public parking spaces so in submit In summation basically no matter what happens This is likely to be more likely than not we'll say to be housing and to have those 75 spaces That's the most likely scenario. Yes. All right. Thank you Any additional questions from council council member stat Jill I just wanted to clarify again the importance of that of that potential 9.5 million dollars Um in the research that you've done is it true that that that grant money Really in all likelihood makes the difference between going forward with some kind of attractive project and not Yes, it does it really fills the gaps as everyone's aware we've talked about this in open session before many times especially through The series of meetings that we did leading up to the surplus action that we know Our rents aren't quite high enough here and our construction costs are very high And that's why we're having um, you know a bit of a challenge getting the the housing units that we want Even though we are doing well We could be doing better. This money fills the gaps to make that possible. It's um In my opinion, it's a window of time right here where we have a large amount of money for us from the state to make this happen Uh, and you you underlined how it was unexpected how we were we were applying for this grant Is something of a long shot thanks to thanks to your efforts and thanks to the efforts of of council member My colleague here to the right council member fliming excuse me And the renewal enterprise district that suddenly we have this opportunity and we have to move fast to take advantage of it We do um, it was a really big long shot and we didn't think we would get it And the fact that the state chose to give what was remaining to santa resa says something about the council and the city and and staff and how And the community and the developers and how much we're trying to get housing and meet our housing goals. Thank you Are there any additional questions? From council members Seeing none. Madam city clerk. May you please facilitate public comment? Thank you. We are now taking public comment on item 12.10 If you're in the chamber, I would like to comment but have not provided a speaker card or your name Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom, please raise your hand or dial star nine You will have three minutes and a countdown timer. We'll alert at the end of that period The first public comment will be from amy followed by taraj Go out of order or would you like amy to come up first? Um, if we can have amy come up okay, good evening mayor rogers and uh council My name is amy van dyke and my husband and I own er Sawyer jewelers and the store next door in downtown santa resa Our property literally backs up with an easement to the third straight garage All of our teams park in that garage all of our clients park in that garage And I cannot imagine The upheaval of that not being there. Um, I literally feel like that could put us out of business Um, we are happy to hear about the white house Um location for housing Um, that has been left sitting there since I was very young and I've lived here my whole life. Um It's very appropriate that that that get built on Um, but I can't imagine the third straight garage. Uh, we We will not survive if that is taken down. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from torage followed by mark Um, hi everyone, um, mayor rogers and city council. Um, my name is torage sultani and um, I own max deli and cafe And it's been in my family for 53 years um We would love to see this item moved from consent to agenda so that Perhaps more economic study could be done and if I may say Possibly in a more transparent way To see how it truly will affect Ourselves and all of our neighbors all the small businesses surrounding us our employees That use the garage and in fact so many of our clients who have been frequenting our business For many many years Um, some of them slightly older for example today These women that come all the time come in they come in with walkers and They are able to park in the handicap spaces that are fairly adjacent to the business We are extremely fearful that they will not come anymore and That this will be a hugely negative impact. Um On our business as well as many of the other small businesses We also are in very much support of the white house site But we think that garage 5 is vital to The survival of many of the small businesses in downtown santa rosa So we'd love to see it um Tabled or stopped for a while and to see more study done and to see all the stakeholders That are involved brought on board and into discussion about this site's future Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from mark followed by abbey Hello, i'm mark. I'm a jc junior college neighborhood neighborhood resident and uh, I support moving forward on these negotiations to develop this Property from a parking lot into housing and that's because i'm a supporter of urban infill and sustainable walkable Uh cities At the same time as a frequent customer of downtown santa rosa businesses I want them to succeed and grow and thrive And I think this housing proposal is good for businesses as well as being good for the community and the environment And basing some of that on the report from the staff that that the parking is indeed not needed Uh, so I have three points to make about the housing proposal first is about being a local customer base I think it would be positive a positive for the downtown santa rosa businesses to have a strong base of customers Living nearby in walkable distance second point is that I think uh Is about new customers from neighborhoods and beyond I think it would be a positive to build several stories of housing above ground floor Retail or businesses Because that would make downtown more lively and interesting and this in turn would attract more customers from outside downtown and from other neighborhoods In santa rosa and beyond the caveat is that you would have to have well done architecture That helps kind of add to the attractiveness of downtown if you want to attract people to downtown third point is uh parking is I think Personally, I think parking is not that big of an issue. I think um My personal experience is that when I drive downtown, I always find parking if not right next to the business that i'm Visiting than always within a couple of blocks So I think customers will continue to find the parking they need at worst At worst they might have to walk a couple more blocks than they're used to But I think that's how walkable cities work you walk a little bit and the trade that's a there's a trade off You have to walk a little bit, but you have more more sustainable Vital interesting uh cities So yes, so I support moving forward on these negotiations. Thank you Thank you the next public comment will be from abby followed by victoria Good evening, honorable mayor and council members. My name is abby arnold I am a santa rosa homeowner and I feel strongly that the city council should prioritize the development of new housing I'm very pleased to hear all the enthusiastic support for building new housing here in santa rosa And I think the proposed conversion of the third street garage is a wonderful opportunity to create new housing for people in our community Whether or not the apartments to be developed are Meet the strict federal criteria for affordable They will increase the housing stock in santa rosa and especially downtown With people who can support the businesses there and that will make more room for the law of supply and demand to Work in the housing market It's very difficult to find a home here in santa rosa right now because There just isn't enough housing scarcity at all levels is what drives up housing prices And that results in overcrowding and homelessness for those who are most vulnerable And it restricts home ownership and growth in family size for middle-class people So approving the agreement with rogall properties will also be an important statement By the city council that homes for people are more important than homes for cars And I urge your support for this proposed agreement with rogall tonight. Thank you so much Thank you the next public comment will be from victoria followed by alexa I'm sorry. I'm victoria 801 tupper street Victoria yanez and um It was my intention to speak on a non-agenda item But I was so motivated by the last speaker That I want to ditto everything she said about this agenda item because Homeless action exclamation point is very happy for the new housing stock. Thank you Thank you the next public comment will be from alexa followed by stephanie You hear me Okay. Um, hi, i'm alexa forester. Um in my day job I teach at the jc. Um in my free time. I organize with the southeast greenway campaign and bikeable santa rosa I'm hopeful that the city council will move this item forward. I want to say thank you to the people who Applied for the grant even though it's a long shot. It's just really awesome to be handed nine million dollars when you're not expecting it So I appreciate the work that went into that I also understand the concerns of the business Community I too think that this will in net be good for downtown santa rosa businesses Even if it is a bit disruptive in the short term and um, I also want to say that This is an urgent matter In in 2017 after the tubs fire Six of my students at the jc left santa rosa And only one has been able to come back And I think it's easy for those of us who have homes who have reliable places to live To think that it's not a problem to delay for another year to do some more studies But we have a viable project and you know opportunity in front of us And so I think it is important that we move forward with this When we have the opportunity. Thank you Thank you. The next public comment will be from Stephanie followed by natalie The manager smith and staff again My name is Stephanie picard bowen and I am the deputy director at generation housing Where we envision vibrant communities where everyone can contribute to an equitable healthy and resilient north bay and that starts with housing We want to thank staff for their work on this project from the parking study To the study session and the grant that they received The third street garage garage number five offers an excellent opportunity for housing And as we've heard the city's own parking study shows most spaces go unused during peak hours This points to a misallocation of extremely valuable land that could be put to better use We have the capacity to be more create creative and intentional about our resources The san francisco county transportation authority uncovered that travelers who used public transit or walked to downtown centers spend more Per month than those who travel by car interestingly while the amount that transit users and walkers spent at Businesses on each trip is less than the average car driver spending the transit users and walkers made more trips per month Which added up to a higher spending overall By transforming these spaces into housing We align with our commitment to diverse housing options and sustainability This shift can also boost public transit usage and reduce car dependency essential for climate resilient future Thank you for your commitment to our community's well-being and prosperity and as always thank you for your service Thank you. The next public comment will be from natalie followed by thomas Good evening. Can you hear me? Good evening mayor vice mayor and council members Um, man, okay, I have a lot to say but I'm going to start with just this This action because I know that's where um where it's good to start. So so entering into the negotiating agreement um, I just heard down below that Essentially all the process was followed no big deal. Um, this is what happened. However, that process Assumes and requires that the developer be one of the cal fha developer So the minute that the negotiation was split first of all, I think the developer might somewhere I just want to make sure that it's clear that this is not against the developer at all I've only heard good things and um, he might be the perfect developer for the project. I'm not saying that I'm just talking about the process that I don't think was Is being correctly followed. So the minute that um, the private developer separated from the uh, cal fha developer It separated from the surplus lands act and in my opinion should then go for an rfp There might be other private developers out there. Maybe there's not but I think that it you know for the public's The public process and this little funky and um and the rfp would require or would allow for additional public input So that's my main that my main kind of issue for this meeting at least In general, uh, as you know We have been opposed to the surplus land this this property being surplus land designated at all It is odd and obviously this is a lawyer question our lawyers I'm sure your lawyers are looking at it our lawyers are looking at it, but um taking an action like this When there's existing litigation is interesting odd Doesn't seem right to me So there's that and then also it was it was touched on You know these you have two business owners that came out Big time that don't come out that often because they stand up here people stand up here And say something and then they're not listened to right and so they're telling you Semi-file spaces is not enough and I've heard oh, we're gonna keep semi-file. You guys have a hundred permits out Um, we have a number of them And so who who gets it permits get it to the people's you know driving by and do the patrons get it who gets it it's very So increasing the public process. Um, we weren't noticed they weren't noticed about this is a huge deal This process should have way more public process I've been in I've been in in projects that require immense public process when they shouldn't So something like this that could literally run people out of business which it would for us I don't know if everyone believes us when we say that but it will right. We'll be out We'll be out of standard. Is that honestly so please just at least do an rfp We want you to stop all together but do an rfp like follow the appropriate process and you know Who knows maybe the current developer gets it and I had that's not what I'm talking about at all I just want the process to be correct. Thanks Thank you the next public comment will be from thomas followed by dwayne Hi, thank you for the opportunity to speak um I wanted to congratulate staff and council on obtaining a hcd grant Uh a substantial grant As I understand mckinsey scott, which is the former wife of jeff bezos The owner of amazon just gave some 19 million dollars 20 million dollars to the uh san francisco uh community land trust for A housing cooperative and they're going to start a um a cooperative Uh incubator And so they're going to offer funds from that to others and I think we should look at Attempting to have a cooperative there so that there could be condominiums people would have an ownership interest in their own in downtown My brother had a condominium across the street from the banyan tree in mawai and It was so attractive and so beautiful It was a place Where people came from all over the world to be there We can have something like that we can I mean people come to heelsburg for for what? Yeah So we can have that we can have something like that It's about the people that you attract to downtown and I think you can attract really Uh a good clientele for these for these businesses um they When they're when it's walkable there are people there all the time doing all kinds of things um believe me On front street in mawai the the art stores and the jewelry stores did fine And and so did the little um Sandwich shops, you know Now it's it's an issue and so we definitely have to you know pray for them and and consider all of those who were lost and and and those in in In morocco as well, you know, but um Housing is is imperative and and we're building housing here in san jose. We need more downtown I think this is a really good effort But I am not familiar with the process as to who is being selected and And if that needs to be adjusted or whatever has to um, you know be I think there should be something maybe reach out to the san francisco community land trust Because as I say they are offering some of those funds to cooperative development. Thank you very much Thank you. The next public comment will be from dwayne From the sonoma county housing advocacy group I wanted to thank the staff Especially hearing today that you've gotten this money from the state in a grant format And thank the work that went into this It's kind of sad that there's a bums rush on and you got to get it done next week and So be it but from what the business owners who came in talked about today They'd like to see a continuation So there could be a better process for their businesses to remain viable Depending on how the parking is all going to be fleshed out I myself feel that the business people in the downtown Should be given an equal voice at the table as much as us houses This house or a group sonoma county housing advocacy group didn't have any voice at the table So I don't know which houses it may be the lobbyists from generation h that get to do it, but These business people They've been there. They've been supporting our community And they want your help to make sure and stay there Now it's been proven that you can build housing above parking And you can do it in a way in which This business district right around that current parking stays viable So this is an important discussion that needs to be had Those folks have given their sweat and tears if you will to make sure that their businesses thrive And especially during these difficult times It's important for all of us to try to rally behind them Keep them there. Keep the businesses thriving, especially max I mean, you know, there's a lot of folks eat at that place and those old folks that come in with those walkers They need that spot right there So Last but not least You can get project-based housing vouchers From the housing urban development To help with the costs of your housing You can do it for veterans And I know there's a lot of veterans that would like to live downtown, especially as they get older Remember jack Osborne used to come in here He's in his 90s now And uh If he didn't have that home on del Monte court, who knows where he'd be There's a lot of veterans that would like to be here. So I'm asking you now Please continue this item and speak with the business folks It's apparent that they're not a part of that specific timeline Based on that grant that you had to get So you should be able to work with them We know we'll get housing there now, and I'll bet there'll be Enough parking perhaps for some customers But not all the ones that will help these business people to thrive And I want to see them stay alive. Thank you kindly for your time Thank you. See no additional public commenters from council chamber. I'm going to turn it over to our zoom host Thank you We are going to start with caller 7111 followed by Andrew caller I've enabled your permissions. Go ahead whenever you're ready Hi, my name is Zach Berkowitz. I've been a property owner and developer In the downtown area for close to 20 years now I'm currently working on 420 Mendocino, which is 168 units apartment units Walk and a half from the square. So I I'm all for downtown housing I I've been for downtown housing for decades. So my concern is We can't neglect parking Um over the last year the city is now allowed apartment buildings to build without any parking requirements Um making it a little bit more affordable for for the apartment developers to build because the park constructors are so expensive But we can't neglect that these people that are going to live in the apartments are going to need parking I realize there have been a lot of studies and there's snapshots in time But there's snapshots in time of the past not the future Developers are starting to get underway. You few few trails projects are going to bring in close to 110 units We're bringing in 168 and It's not a one-to-one parking ratio on either property So there is going to be a need once these projects are done And there will be more projects in the future for more parking We need to see what's happening with parking demands The last thing you want to see right now is developers that want to come in for apartments Stop because of the lack of potential parking that the Customers are going to have With more people living in the downtown area. There's going to be a demand for offices Something we haven't seen in decades And with offices we're going to need more parking So the bottom line is we need to wait a good three to five years before deciding On what to do with probably the most valuable parking structure, which is the third street garage In the end of the day, we may wish we had more parking downtown So to take it away now um Is not What I think is really the correct thing for the city of Santa Rosa to do But we do need more housing downtown, but it doesn't have to come in that site Okay, thank you very much caller Next up we have andrew followed by mark Andrew i've enabled your permissions go ahead whenever you're ready Thank you and thank you for letting me address this topic I am in support of the conversion of the garage to the apartments that have been discussed Overall, I think the reasons to keep them are slim and they're not founded or supported by evidence As we have been discussed multiple times There is a preponderance of parking downtown and we do not need to preserve more parking We do not need to preserve parking for The potential business in the future that currently doesn't exist. We have a known Current and extreme housing deficit that this project can address I think converting the Garage has real obvious and inarguable benefits, which are to increase housing I think bring bringing people downtown will improve the downtown atmosphere and business itself while there may be a temporary harm or Issue for some of these small businesses down there. I think the overall the benefit will be positive And as has been discussed Maintaining the garage has a high cost For the city as it will need to Perform numerous seismic upgrades just to keep status quo and so Giving up the grant money that has been discussed would be Wasting of wasting opportunity And Overall, I think this project should be supported and should be moved forward with in a steadfast manner And I think that there has been plenty of discussion with the business owners and community And we should move forward with the project as soon as possible. Thanks Thank you, andrew Next up we have Mark followed by adrian mark. I've enabled your permissions go right ahead whenever you're ready Well, thank you. Yes. My name is mark. I want to speak and behave in in favor of this proposal Um, I live about 20 minutes from downtown to walk down there just today And took account of how many cars were in the you know, the library lot Which is less than a block away from raja number five. We're not even asking people to walk one block That lot was not even half full If that lot were to fill go two blocks over on the other side You got another huge surface lot plus a five level parking garage where you got entire decks that are almost practically empty So the parking thing is just That's just the most ridiculous excuse to deny people housing. Uh, it's just unconscionable I mean, I like what a speaker said earlier earlier. Um, you know, we should You know home we should care more about homes for people than homes for cars And you know, the few businesses that spoke out against that if your business plan relies on the city taking its most prime valuable real estate And just keeping it empty for the vast majority of the time and the odd chance that someone may come along and want to Put a car there And paying the maintenance for either that garage or upkeep of that lot Um, your business plan has problems that we may not be able to help you with so That's something to be considered. Maybe let other businesses come in that can hack this um, you know Places like target and cost go they go out to the more cheaper areas buy vast racks of land for people to put their cars on sometimes that works for them, but I've never seen a city that just went parking crazy and prosper. They usually end up being hollowed out really dumpy areas That nobody wants to go to So I think that's my whole comment Let's not, you know throw away this opportunity To prop up some crazy ass or excuse me bad business plan That probably ain't going to work anyway Thank you very much Thank you mark Next up we have adrian Go ahead adrian. I've enabled your permissions whenever you're ready Great, thank you council members of my name's adrian coverts. I'm a homeowner Attack payer in the railroad square neighborhood and I do most dropping in downtown High bike and I'm not alone And I'm also the locally for santa rosa yinbi Volunteer all volunteer group Advocating for housing because we know housing is a critical Ingredient to keeping and maintaining and growing a vibrant downtown Now, I want to thank city staff for all the work they've done on the ranch That's excellent work. We should be all very proud of that work. You've heard some fears about parking You haven't heard a lot of data. So let's just let the facts be for themselves 25 of downtown surface area is just parker 74 of all of those parking spots go unused on a typical busy day 74 that's the equivalent of 19 of all of the land downtown going unused Sitting idle at taxpayer expense every single day even on busy days Garage five for all the concerns about it comprises a grand total less than two percent of all those parking spots Even with all of the housing construction that's going on downtown It's not even close to being able to stimulate demand for parking Uh commensurate to the huge over abundance and oversupply parking we have right now What we need downtown for downtown businesses more than anything are shoppers and work and we need them to live downtown So they're not parking their cars and driving their cars into downtown to do it And this is the best opportunity we have at the table and as the earlier speaker said Everyone here who's housed it's not urgent for us, but there are other people out there for whom it is very urgent Let's not delay. We've studied the numbers well enough We've got all the facts about parking that I cited are from city studies that were done Within the past year. These are recent numbers. So it's not a mystery. So let's put the fear uncertainty Aside, let's go forward with some progress. Let's do what we need to do I thank city staff for all the excellent work. I respectfully urge the council to Uh, move forward with staff recommendation and approve the resolution. Thank you Thank you, adrian. It appears that is our last hand raised in zoom And we have no prerecorded comments on this item Thank you Vice mayor mcdonnell, may you please make a motion? I move item 12.10 second We have a motion made by vice mayor mcdonnell and seconded by councilmember rogers Is there any further discussion from council councilmember rogers councilmember rogers All right. Thank you, mayor I want to start by just sort of acknowledging all of the work that's gone into this I know there were a number of comments about how quickly this is coming This has actually been a year in development We've had four different meetings that were on this and so a lot of voices have been heard And there's a difference between things were done behind closed doors and people didn't like the outcome I think that the road to a dead town downtown has been paved by a thousand meetings like this Where we're asked to delay and delay and delay And this time we're being asked to give up 10 million dollars That can help deliver housing for people. It could deliver a grocery store It could deliver other amenities that we desperately need in our downtown We have a public asset that we get to look at and decide what is the highest and best use to serve our city Not any individual not one specific group But our entire city and our downtown is our economic engine We've seen it over and over and over again in our studies We need to make sure that we are prioritizing projects that bring people and design a city that is designed for people Not for cars that sit idle 95 percent of their life But can actually contribute to the economic vitality for our downtown and address our most pressing needs So i'm going to be supporting tonight I'm going to be working with those businesses to see how we mitigate the impacts that this will inevitably bring During the construction But I do think that overall this is in the best interest of our entire city to continue to do these types of projects I'm going to finish by quoting our good friend john soyer John always said be bold. Don't be reckless, but be bold Let's make sure that we're not sitting here 20 years from now saying man I really wish we had that 10 million dollars and had made that decision because I fear if we don't do it tonight That's exactly what's going to happen council councilmember okrepke Thank you mayor So for me, I mean the reason why I asked those questions in the beginning was to assure everybody that no matter what happens That it's more likely than not and I don't want to say certain but you know very very very likely that There will be housing built on this regardless of the outcome It's just how it gets there and with the way in which it's done as well as The the council mandated parking that has to be there at a minimum of 75 not saying that it'll be capped at that It's up to the developer to see what they can have pencil For me this issue with this is that um First and foremost, I I you know, I know the Tremendous amount of work that um staff has put into this and I really do appreciate that and I don't want to go any further without Saying that and I understand that it was done under An immense amount of pressure both internally and externally Including us on the dais But for me the thing that makes me sit a little uneasy um on it is That um when the affordable housing um partner dropped out To me in my opinion I feel like that should be an opportunity for it to go out for a full rfp to everybody instead of just working with with Whoever's whoever's left over And I understand that there is a grant of almost 10 million dollars that is on the table um Maybe i'm a pessimist, but I know that that um that money has to be spent or that money Is only available if ground is broken by the end of 2024 So that means that this project would have to um You know go through the negotiating process which can last up to eight months go through Permitting design energy engineering all of these things and get ready to break ground by the end of 2024 And so maybe i'm a pessimist, but seeing the the the financial Situation that's out there seeing so many projects stall Instead of just pushing forward on on on this in hopes that we will have it done in order to use these This grant funding i'd rather see it go out to an rfp And see what else may be out there I would also be remiss if I didn't mention that um Litigation that exists may hinder those opportunities um, and I uh fully understand that But I think in terms of process Personally I think it's a point where we go out to a full rfp Because that at least makes me feel more comfortable. Um because I don't I don't I don't believe uh being able to use that grant money is as is It is very likely considering all the constraints that may or may not be out there to get this project done Thank you. Are there any other comments? Vice mayor mcdonnell Yes, I'd just like to echo what councilmember o' crepe. He said that that is really where my discomfort lies is that It felt like there was a piece of the process that needed to be circled back to all the developers in our community But I do want to make sure the staff knows that I really appreciate the work that's gone done that's gotten done so far Specifically on the white house site I don't want to convolute that both of these matters together I think that some of the things have gone really really well But it does concern me when we have business leaders coming in that says this could potentially destroy their business It isn't that I don't think that there needs to be more housing in the downtown area It isn't that I don't think that we need to eventually develop this site It's that I feel like with a master plan and looking at how we can go from the outside And might be more helpful for those businesses specifically So if i'm looking at the white house site in the other potential surplus land That we have as far as the city goes I would like to see us have a plan that is sustainable for the businesses that have already struggled so much coming out of the pandemic So um, that is why I have a level of discomfort with this item tonight And so um, but I don't want that to come across that I don't think that's just done an outstanding job On all the work that they're doing and how much they've brought to council. So I want to say thank you to you Any additional comments from council? Before we call the vote, I have two questions One would be Was anyone excluded from applying To develop this piece of property No one was excluded from it. Absolutely, but it did go to affordable houses first um market rate developers are allowed to partner with affordable houses and And come forward on that but it does go per the sl. A process Um to affordable houses first you can keep your mic on because I have one more question And that question would be Where do you get your direction from? From the state and from the department of california housing and community services as far as Your direction on how what you do here for this thing is here. Where do you get your direction? I got my direction from uh council enclosed session Thank you and an open session. I should say Are there any more questions or comments? Seeing none Madam city clerk may you please call the vote Councilmember staff. All right councilmember rogers. I Councilmember okrepke. No Councilmember fleming. I Councilmember alvarez. All right Vice mayor mcdonald. No Mayor rogers I The record show this passes seven excuse me with five affirmative votes Thank you We would normally go to item 13 our public comment on non-agenda Matters, but we're going to go ahead and hold that And we will take that up on item 17 since we do not have very much more to go We have no report items Today and we have no public hearings We have written communications 16.1 and 16 0.2 Madam city clerk. May you please facilitate public comment on 16.1 and 16.2 Thank you mayor we are now taking public comment on item 16 if you are in council chamber would like to comment Please make your way to the podium if you are participating via zoom Please dial star nine or raise your hand you will have three minutes An account down timer will alert at the end of that period Mayor i'm seeing no one approach the podiums on this item and no hands being raised via zoom Thank you. We will now proceed to item 17 which will be our sole public comment On non-agenda matters for this evening Madam city clerk may you please facilitate public comment? Thank you mayor We are now taking public comments on non-agenda matters if you're in the chamber I would like to comment But I have not provided a speaker card under 13 or 17. Please make your way to the podium If you are participating via zoom, please dial star nine or raise your hand The first public comment will be from Dwayne followed by victoria Hello, my name is dwayne de witt sonoma county housing advocacy group This book's 30 years old Describes the history of how 100 years ago The nation of america Embrace the idea of small places to stay While people traveled america In here. There's some excellent examples Of small places to live The first thing that I want to show you is that los angeles had a public campground And it was profitable a place for people to stay Now I bring this up because These small units right here were also profitable out in texas the Board of supervisors today had a discussion In which it was mentioned. There's 110 homeless veterans in our community and that uh The Small palette houses as they call them out at los guilicos are about to be demolished they're going to Reassign where those people are at to other spots And I made the suggestion That those homes Not be demolished That they be donated to habitat for humanity or veterans groups and Once refurbished used at the veterans memorial building parking lot That ideal was floated by the board of supervisors About seven months ago People in the community out there said if veterans were allowed into those spaces they would support that I bring this up now because this Board of supervisors meeting today They said they had to take down the small encampment They have at the permit and resource parking lot because santa rosa city permits Require that it can't be there more than six months Because those are tents and the fire code says no tent over six months So there needs to be a collaborative approach Hopefully with the city manager here working with the new director of sonoma county community development commission miss michelle wittman and Have an outreach together To help to house those veterans On that veterans property technically That site was built to help veterans first and foremost And then the county has had mission creep and turned it into A place that brings in revenue for what they do and the veterans are second-class citizens over there But you could bring us back up to first-class citizens You could work with the veterans groups habitat for humanity and others and save those palette homes at los guilicos To be used at the veterans memorial building site. Thank you kindly for your time tonight Thank you. The next public comment will be from victoria Thank you very much Victoria yannis from homeless action Um, I want to ditto everything dwayne said Because it is in our Bailey wick exactly what he was talking about Now um, I want to thank the council for giving me this opportunity to talk And i'm so honored that we have the mayor that we have And I want to greet her but um What I want to talk about today is something is a campaign that we're going to be taking on Because um in our work, we have noticed That a lot of people come to us with complaints about the police. Okay There's been a complaint that one officer took over a thousand dollars that one person had won at the casino They went, why is this person walking around with this money and she had the receipt from the casino and everything The officer took that her wallet her purse But we're going to be dealing with that on another level I'm just saying in general. There's been a lot of complaints about the police harassing people. I think it's because of the camping ordinances That the police feel more empowered to move people along And until it becomes an official sweep and everything and then that's when they look at how much Prop how much how much shelter is available for those who are Existing in an unsheltered state Now The biggest problem that we're having Given and and this needs to be looked at given the camping ordinances Why is santa rosa police department towing cars? Just because they're not registered There's no time limit for How long a car should not be registered for them to tow They're towing like crazy Now we're starting to take a tally of all the people whose cars are towed for registration because The case law supports Toes Whenever a car is causing a traffic Problem of any sort And then it can be towed But for lack of registration, that's just attacking poor people now What we want is an opportunity to Stop registration being a reason for towing If we do that toria your time is is over. Thank you so much Thank you. The next public comment will be from mr. L's Thank you mr. L's come to the podium Well, I just wanted to thank victoria for that comment In fact That is criminalizing someone's status As homeless and and their their income that's taking their property. That's central to Martin versus boise so i encourage you to read that There's quite a history there and Um The property is is a fundamental issue of martin versus boise but i wanted to go to dwayne's comment I do understand about los guilicos and the fairgrounds trailers and so on they're all going to be consolidated To within the existing buildings the substantial buildings not the pallet structures But the substantial buildings at los guilicos. So those are going to be moved over there as well as the people who are in the parking area by administration But it is unfortunate that we have had those buildings and we can't have this In addition Those buildings los los guilicos has been have been empty for years Why can't we have them in addition to the buildings and the structures that we have in other words I would point and say that those little pallet structures or pallet homes Could be used again in another safe parking site that the city could have And I would like to talk to uh councilman stoop about that possibly within his district that I believe there is a spot for that and a very reasonably safe very distant space for that And it could utilize those because the people in safe parkings They are in trailers and motorhomes, but there are also people in cars and the people in cars they have to sleep in incredibly uncomfortable positions and It's very deleterious to their health and and it's it's deleterious to their activities on a on a daily basis That they're It makes they can't sleep so it's in keep they're incapable of conducting themselves in a in a proper way But with those little pallet structures. I actually Was driving for los guilicos for st. Vincent of paul when uh when councilmember tidbits was was um Not available to drive so I drove for them And I noticed that the people really responded to being in those homes a I was aware of there because I Was working with homeless action and working in the street in the community And in in uh pedal room as well But but here locally in santa rosa and when those people went out to the los guilicos they had a completely different um Perspective on life. They had they had a it was a huge change for them To be able to sleep and have electricity and so and I would just say we should save those if we can thank you Thank you. I see no additional people approaching the podium in council chamber, and I see no hands being raised via zoom Thank you And I know that we are all ready to go Um and get this meeting adjourned, but I would like to take a moment and adjourn the meeting um on behalf of Janden Uh wishing him a full recovery in our our hearts are with him and his family. So thank you very much meeting adjourned