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I note that Mr Harger is confident that the police took nothing that will help them in their investigation. Well, that, of course, remains to be seen. If it means that we're any closer to finding out who this person or being Rorschach is, well, let's keep our fingers crossed and see what happens. Cam, he's talking about journalistic privilege. Well, it's a bit rich, isn't it? The guy wrote a book using stolen, illegally obtained emails and communications from a criminal hacker. He didn't bother to ring a single person who was mentioned in the book, didn't ring me, didn't ring anybody else for comment, didn't give anybody a right of reply. And now he has the temerity to claim journalistic privilege. I think he's going to find that will get overturned very quickly, indeed. And then, of course, there's David Fish's case where he claimed the same thing about his book and the judge said, forget it, pal, it's not journalistic endeavor, it's a book and it was written for profit and you're out of here, produce your evidence. And so I think Nicky Harger's going to end up in the same spot. I've got to say here though, Larry, that in my opinion, I don't think that Nicky Harger is a journalist. Mind you, with the greatest of respect to Cameron, I don't think he falls within that category, either despite what the High Court has conditioned me to say. So it's going to be a watch this space situation, I guess. It's interesting too in that you raised that case of mine, Jock, because the judge said in that that I needed to tell who the sources were because it was in the public interest for me to publish the information. It's also in the public interest to find out who my sources are. So I think my case will actually be used against Hagar as well. Watch this space. We'll come back in just a moment. Jock Anderson and Cameron Slater on the huddle. It's now 17 to 6. What will Larry say? It's Larry Williams Drive with ANZ, providing business banking expertise near you. On News Talk, ZB. It is now 15 to 6. Cameron Slater from Whale Oil and it's Jock Anderson from the New Zealand Herald Jock issue. Number two, the new Cabinet lineup. Some new portfolios created. Anything specific you want to talk about? What about the creation of a minister in charge of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service? Yeah, I think that's a very good move. And I think that New Zealand, like other countries, has to move very quickly in its efforts to contain the spread of global terrorism. And, you know, I think this is probably a bit overdue. And we need to be part of the real world, despite what some naysayers write books about. And I think that's a good move. And he's giving further responsibility to Chris Finlayson, of course, in the similar area. But yes, a good move. As far as the new Cabinet is concerned, I also think it's a good move. He's brought up some promising younger MPs, younger ministers, younger associates. Clearly, he's looking at the succession plan for the future. You're getting some of the younger ones in there, particularly in the area that I'm interested in, Amy Adams, 43, Minister of Justice. A lawyer, of course, has got a pretty good future. She's got a majority on herself in seat of 20 and a half thousand, so I don't think she's likely to be tipped out any day soon. But yeah, I think it's a Cabinet for the future. I think he's looking six to nine years down the track. Do you go along with that, Ken? Well, John Key's always looked like having a succession plan in place. He's refreshed his Cabinet at regular instances. There are some interesting changes making... It was expected that Jonathan Coleman would become the Minister of Health. Amy Adams thinks a bit of a surprise for me, being the Minister of Justice. I hope that enables her to settle down a bit from some of her after-hours activities. The interesting one is Ann Tolley, who's given up police and corrections and is now the Minister of Social Development. And I believe that that will be a very short role that she will be taking there. She's being groomed to take over as Speaker when David Carter retires. And I understand that's not going to be too far away. Okay. And, Jock, Judith Collins, the Prime Minister has just told me it'll be at least another year before she gets a sniff of Cabinet's Minister's portfolio. Not a long time in politics. They say a week is, but I don't think a year is. And let's not forget that Judith Collins was a capable Minister in the various roles that she held. She was controversial in some parts. She had some difficult roles, especially in ACC. But you can't afford to let someone with her experience and capability and determination to just sort of waffle around to the back benches forever. I agree with that, Jock. It's not going to be very productive for John Key to have such a capable person who has a very strong following in caucus, sitting there essentially twiddling her thumbs. It's fraught with danger. I would think, even though he's saying at least a year, I would think that there will be some sort of moves at rehabilitation shortly after she's exonerated by all of the various inquiries that are out there. And, Jock, what do you make of the power outage across Auckland, another one at the Penrose substation again? Well, it's very interesting because I was listening to Hugh Renwick, you see, early at the day, and he was the one who conducted the inquiry after the big blackout in Central Auckland in 1998, I think it was. And he said that basically if I'm recording what he said accurately, they're really in a bit of a clasp stick with this particular substation at Penrose because it's in a very, very narrow part of the Auckland isthmus and it makes it very difficult to actually have another cable or another backup facility built or installed or put in at that particular area. So it seems as if there's going to be there could well be difficulties in that particular substation. But, of course, the other thing is, of course, if we want these infrastructures to be constantly upgraded and able to carry the extra load, then we've got to pay for it. For this issue of Penrose, it's been identified before CAM. Well, there's a problem with Auckland, isn't it, Larry? It's the same with public transport, it's the same with power infrastructure, any particular, even water infrastructure. We live in a city that spans two harbours and has a very narrow isthmus. It's only about one and a half kilometres wide at the narrowest part. So we're always going to have this problem. But it is something that needs to be addressed. It's something certainly that's going to have some questions asked about Victor. But I think what's more concerning is the sookie-lala behaviour of some of these people that are without power. I mean, we had a guy on the television the other night blubbing about having to give his kids a jam on bread and couldn't cook bacon and eggs. Oh, the poor devil. I mean, anyone who can't cope with not cooking bacon and eggs is not the sort of person who could whip out his barbeque and go and rustle something up. So there's a whole lot of half-men and panty-wastes that are out there who aren't really coping. All right. Thank you, Cam, and thank you, Jock. That is Jock Anderson and Cameron Slater on the Huddle Sport to follow. It's now 9-2-6.