 I get secondary school. I informed too around there. That's when I started doing some rap here and there. I realized that I can write music. So I decided to start writing that hip-hop thing. At that time everything was hip-hop so I just got into the game. What kind of hip-hop were you listening to back in the day? Q-O-PoM too. I'm curious. Some hardcore hip-hop. Maybe it was back in the day so it's Dr. Dre's, Eminem's. And I'm a very big fan of Talib Kuali. Talib Kuali. Okay, great. So how did you transition from secular to now? Okay, in hip-hop my life has been a mess because I got involved in addiction for a very long time, for more than 10 years. What type of addiction? I was addicted to alcohol. We could go for about 10 years. It could have been in the mail. So at that time the hip-hop I used to do was just secular. And I had hardcore hip-hop because I was listening to mom, mom, everything. Everything was easy with hardcore, hardcore. But recently about one and a half years ago I went to a place. Isimarihabu nasimaga. So I've been to a lot of rehabs in the past. Ten years is a long time. Yeah, if you can add up the time that I've been in rehab for the last maybe 12 years or maybe it could be up to 3 years or something. But the last time I went there in Teen Challenge Nakuru I decided I made a decision. I decided in my life so I stopped. And from that point on I decided I'm going to change my music so that I do some positive hip-hop send a message out there to guys that are suffering guys that are still in addiction trying to bring them into the light that there is still hope out there. That's amazing man. So many young people out there have lost hope especially employment akuna employment misana maliza shuleu na toko na vata akuna kitu akufanya. Yeah, but I think sometimes it's also a mentality. Kwa sababu unawana watu. Kingi na hawa na job sayu atavu kitokaa secondary school piaona mo whatever place that you're staying in ona toka piaona disait ku kakaaw. So it's a mentality really because those guys that have decided that they're going to push so they have made it. Wait so wuna saya makuna jobs? If you sit down and decide you put your mind to it I would definitely guarantee yu kuna majob maybe she will see tosa matia kuna majob. Ya, you can employ yourself. There are a lot of ideas, a lot of things that someone can do. Ya, for example, when I decided to change, I also got into learning a lot of things. Like I decided to teach myself how to play the keyboard. I decided to learn how to play the guitar. Right now I'm with a group of people that we actually teach other guys how to play instruments. Is that your sort of side hustle? Ya, part of it. I mean there is you rapping, but there is also training. There is me rapping, I'm also a sound engineer and I'm also a teacher. Wow, wow. For instruments. For instruments. Ya. How is that coming up? I mean both rapping and doing training. I'm not exclusively a rapper per se because I also do other things, other social journals out there. I do R&B sometimes. I have a lot of reggae songs that come in your way and also dance on. So how would you define your style of music or your delivery style when it comes to music? Okay, mine is about the message. It's usually about the message. So the way I want a message to appear, that is how I will frame the song. If maybe a sad message is that you want to appeal to people's souls or something like that, I decided it would be a slow song. The current song, the one we are talking about today, Over Karma, that is just a story of how overcoming the personal woes there before and the person that I am now. It's just like a transitioning song. Ya. But otherwise from that, the other tracks that are coming in your way that we'll be defining or we'll be showing what my life has been and the kind of life I've lived and where I'm hoping to go. Is Over Karma your only first video? Ya, it was my first video. I actually did it last year towards the end of December. Ya, it was my first video. It was your first video. Maybe you can tell us about your other songs. Ya, I have 10 songs. 10 songs. You perform or it's an album? No, it's not an album yet. Because I want to release a hip-hop album, so if it's hip-hop, it's hip-hop. If it's reggae, it's reggae. So I've done 8 reggae songs, I've done a few hip-hop songs, to come to a number where I can say I want to release an album. So for right now, I just want to release some singles. Alright, so back to Over Karma. Who is the producer of Over Karma? Okay, my producer is Ronnie Angel from Holy Beat Productions. He's a Ugandan and a good friend of mine. He was supposed to come here today, he got caught up somewhere. Hey, how come, why? Biyashara. Sampot, ya, so put a bro. Maybe I can interview Pia. Maybe. So maybe... What's your take on the current state of gospel music? I mean, we are doing somewhat well. I mean, it depends on the person who is singing, right? It depends on the person. Okay, it's a little bit confused right now because everyone is everywhere. You are exactly sure if the person is singing is actually representing what he is singing. But I would say it depends on what the artist... Like if I have a message that I want to preach to the people and I am not able to leave to that message, then I regard myself as fake. Really? Ya, because if you cannot leave by what you are saying, then what are you doing it for? It's like hip-hop even in this country. You get the rappers, they are rapping about a lifestyle that they don't actually have. So they are rapping about things, big things, big things, but when you go back to where they come from, they just ordinary canyons. Where I prefer somebody that's rapping about themselves, about the experiences they have gone through, about if they want to maybe put out a message, put out a message that is on your own level, from your own level, from your own experiences or something like that. But they say that fake it till you make it is, it's like you encouraging or attracting the success. But some of them fake it, they fake it until they don't know where they are and what. So they forget themselves, come on. Hey Rajuzuna, kubaliana na pablo maze. It's almost not in your way. You guys don't believe in fake it till you make it? Ya, una neza sana, yo ghost pweli ya kufei kumakasa same, you forget yourself, you forget who you are, you forget where you come from. Would you mention an artist who has done that? I would rather not. I would rather not at this moment. It's just moving. Okay, kwaesongya, overkama, tell us your favorite line. Ile lai nato wokis kiza you like yo? I'm the one who came up with that. Okay, let me just say the second verse. That's your favorite beat in this song? Ya, because it's a little bit fast. Nakibizana na yo beat two people. So apondi nani bambi yaga. Especially towards the end. Apondi na kushikia. Okay, alright, so tell us about the second verse. Okay, the second verse is basically about what I'm preaching. It's about the message that I'm trying to get out there. About, for example, since it's a gospel track by the way, so it's about the way Jesus will come into your life, about how He's able to get you from what you're going through, from all the troubles that you might be in to a better place. Can I tell you something? When I first heard your song, I thought you were one of those artists who were sent by Kak Franklin because you have that, like, the style of delivery. Thank you. You have that, you know, this kind of vibe. So do you draw your inspiration from that kind of music or where does it come from? Actually, the person that I draw my inspiration from is not a gospel artist. Who is that? I like his flow. I like the way he plays around with the words. Someday I'll rap like that, but I'll flip it a little bit into gospel music. So being able to deliver a message that someone you can relate to, something that you can see in pictures just by saying the words. So this is out of the ordinary, but do you believe that an altered conscience does work well in arts? Yeah, I do believe so because if you listen to some of the greatest songs, they come from people who have been broken and then they are rising up, they are dealing with their issues and out of it, you tell a beautiful story. So like in your case, you are telling us to overcome our issues, right? Sure. Maybe you can tell us, there's a young person out there who's wondering how am I going to break into the music industry? How am I going to be a producer? Where do I start? I mean, I'm still informed too. I don't have much, you know. What did you tell that young person? It takes a lot of patience because like when I started, I would not lie to you, when I started it was about, you know how you freestyle in the estate, you're just freestyling with the guys. And then like in my case, it was usually in a bar somewhere, we just freestyle even for drinks. You know, it used to be like that. One of the swings and spirits? Deep down, I was passed everybody's spirits and down there, so. Down town, you see. Okay. So I would say it takes a lot of patience and you get to listen to a lot of artists, see where they're coming from, learn the game. For example, I used to do just rap. Rap, rap, rap, rap. Then I realized, yeah, with age also rap, because so I decided to venture into other styles. I realized I can do quite good and I can do other things quite well. Then I also decided to teach myself in this industry, the guys were going to take advantage of you. Maybe producers, maybe managers, I don't know. So teach yourself how to do some of these things. Like I taught myself how to produce songs. I'm not the producer of a kama, but there are songs that are coming with it. I have done the production myself. Nice. And after that, now they're promoting the sasa, so it will take a lot of patience. That's your next song? Sorry? That's the title of your next song. Happa ndiko tuko sasa? No, no, no. Oh, okay, great. You're wrapping up the game. Okay, great. So there you had it man. So this is Pablo Mo. Ako nango makani in ito over kama. And I love what you just said. First of all, do not give up. Just keep going. Yeah, keep going. And then it's not about Siji failing and Siji and then you give up. Just keep at it until and then teach yourself. Because we have college of YouTube. We have Google, Dr. Google. We have so many places including him. Reach out to his social media platform. Muneza Wambia social media platform. Yako ningani. Number four is your camera. You can find me on Facebook, Pablo Mo. Instagram, I'm Sir Pablo Mo. YouTube, Pablo Mo also. And Twitter, at Sir Pablo Mo. That's what you can find me. Sir Pablo Mo. Yanzor, you heard that, right? Yes. Now, by the way, see you twangushe ka freestyle. Sure, there's a try. Like this. Easy. There's a try. Okay. Jump of freestyle, then it will go. But see a bit, bro. Sir, minta kwa haip man. Okay. Okay, great. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Baby. Until then. And the jongeshamee. Muneza mkushatu billa mixup. Yeah, acapella. Yeah. It's in acapella. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's about time that you stop being your enemy, telling yourself you can't be the person that you ought to be. We are great people. That's what the Bible tell them, it's a take, call the doubt, out of your personality, in order I can't rest inform your sentences. As sweet eradicate this wilderness mentality. Me seein' darga gym, jim but we stay fit like rifti valley athletes prison and worship and it's how we burn calories kuchanga muka muka tui itaji glucose gajashoku mua kika kama maji kula blue post danza ziba isha seitu na fanya 2v2 ko but anyway only god counts so the rest of them counterfeit they gone around the mountains but don't be caught listening god wants the best of you he don't do no average he created you for a purpose in this master plan so stop acting like you're fading in the ambulance you were perfect candidate for heaven's inheritance you were christian made in the image i've got and it's awesome there's a paradise it's moving in the fabric kaja destiny and cry step for you so you can lead through eternity that's just a drop in the sea of his promises yeah better believe in it because if you don't believe in it that you are your own destiny it's worse let me see so when you find yourself in the place that you shouldn't be living that life that you know so he's just yo bring it bring it right back bring it right back yo how's it good vibes good vibes good vibes right there good vibes right there and keep at it keep keep keep keep okay keep keeping us good vibes yes and keep giving us the good songs and the good music and know when they like to encourage i mean let me tell you something people don't know this it's not only about entertainment it's also about encouraging another solo there yeah i know people should focus on saying a good positive message up there focusing on a good and positive message up there great so let's listen to overcomer okay okay