 vote with us on any of these key issues. That's Brewster and Hart. Danny and Noyeo was a hero. I mean, he really did the omen job. The other two didn't how in the world they can go out and help on a vote like this when they're voting themselves the other way. I just don't know. But they always do that and Mansfield's got that kind of organization and what you got to have is one man like Bobby Baker that talks to the senders themselves and asks them to vote and pleads with them. Tell them what the president wants, what the secretary of treasurer want, what he can and will do for them and so on and so forth. Now we don't have that man. He's thrown that to the wolves and helped them smear him because he didn't want anybody to have any power. So the only next thing you do is make a Joe Barger that who can just see the senders and contact himself. Now Mike they all like him but they don't pay a damn bit of attention one way or the other. They just pick up a little information. Larry can sit down and talk to him. Now if Larry's not gonna do it and you're not gonna do it, Barger's got to do it. Now if Barger doesn't do it, I'll do it. But I damn sure want it done and I think this is absolutely disgraceful. This is the worst day that my administration has had and I just think it's inexcusable because I know Mansfield. He was my deputy for years and he'd vote against me when he was my deputy and he's got this damn Brooklyn boy that's so busy working on a Chinese communist and seeing the Soviet Union people that he hadn't got any time to ask a senator and he wasn't anyway and he looks at him the wrong eye when he does. So you can't get any help there. The best you can hope for is to sit around and hope you can get a little information from their offices and hope you can keep him in line and so he won't stay above it all up in the cloud and hope that you can get the folks talked to. Now the man that'll get you some votes there, Russell Long can beg them and get a few to vote with you. George Smithers can beg them and get a few to vote and they all both ought to be put back in the old days when they worked a little bit. Russell relies more on speeches than he does on his private talks and it'd be better if he talked less and did more maneuvering. George Smithers can maneuver and can get him to do it. Glenn Lannison is good. He's excellent. He's excellent. And I just ask him and make him guide and let him think that he's leading it and he's running it. I'd ask Douglas to help me on his conference report and I'll call everyone up and I ask him to give me a list of the potentials that we got. Now we haven't got a chance to get proud and we haven't got a chance to to get mean people like Mont. We haven't got any chance to get Hart King and we haven't got a chance to get to Gore or anybody of the type that might have left us. I don't know whether he did leave us but if he did you can't get that. But you sure can get people like Bartlett to at least work on them. And Eastland. Now there's no reason for Eastland to be against us. He's done this twice to me once before we just were sure we had him in 1940 and 1964. And I'm going to talk through Davis and see exactly what the conversation was but there were a couple of checks on Jim Eastland that showed he was going to be responsible and stay with us. And Dick Russell is against you on both of them. He was. And did Talmadge tell you he's going to be against you on telephone? He told us that he was. And he would he would give us a vote if we had to have it in committee. But that he was publicly exposed. He would. I consider him not to have given us a commitment. I consider him an honorable man on this vote. I'd ask him tonight tomorrow if there's any chance that when you drop these out if he or Russell can go with you. No he's certainly he's certainly one of the fellows that I. The only thing about asking him is I don't understand this. He told us he was going to do it that he was one of the nine that voted against the bill for the life of me. Don't understand that. But he voted against the bill. Now I suppose it because he feels that the expenditures ought to be reduced. I guess that's his rationalization of it. But anyway he was recorded as voting against there were nine voted against Bass Dominic Gore, Hickenlooper, Miller, Morris, Nelson, Pearson and Talmadge. So I don't know whether I can get help from Talmadge on a conference for board or not. But I'm going to try because he's always played. He's always. I gotta have your advice. We can get this bill. We can get any and I won't know if if you and they brush in your judgment and what do you keep find out? Because if you get don't get that car so you won't get the other side and there's Eastland that probably don't come. So you gotta know where you are and we keep taking another mauling. Well now I will get this list of potentials of whatever it adds up to the 20 or 30 that were wrong on one or another of these votes that we think we might have a chance of getting stay with us on on the conference. I'm going to rely on this one only on my own contacts Larry O'Brien's contacts and Joe Barr's contacts. I'm not going to panel on anybody else, Mr. President, because it just it just doesn't doesn't seem to work. You can rely on Marvin. You can rely on on Jake over here because Jake's around that Senate for six years and Marvin's been around it. And we got long on the phone and we got Simon on the phone and we switched some this morning on the river. Long and Simon didn't that that was a that was very productive in it. And Brewster told us if you if you need us we'll vote with you if you call me and tell me that you got to have my vote. He told us that. The other thing this is the last comment I want to make about the about the situation up there. We can do all of this polling and get these commitments. But one of the things that is very difficult for me to understand in the way in which department department metal representatives are handicapped is getting your people to the floor and getting them voted. Now for example on the Hartke thing today, neither Joe Clark or Tom Dodd, both of whom would have been with us were voted. Well, I tell you I tell you all right, I'll tell you why I tell you how to do that. Just get some simpleton that can read and write pay him $400 a month and put him in the gallery. And when they call Clark's name and he's with you, and he doesn't answer the roll call, walk out the telephone call him his office says send the Clark going to come vote. We sure do need his vote. This is Joe Glutz. I work for Secretary Bowler. The tax bills up and we really need it. Then when they go down to Eastland and Eastland doesn't answer the roll call the first go call you. That's what I've done for eight years. Reliance on on on the Mansfield. Oh, did you ever try to shove macaroni? Did you ever got on my unit? You know that? Can't you see that? Well, Mansfield and asked the pope to do anything. He just he just sweet kind nice fella that's above it all and belay who doesn't do anything. He's not in there. The only guy ever did as Bobby Beck and that put him in the penitentiary and put him in there because he got the votes for Bob Kerr and wrote $100,000 back for Bob Kerr, which everybody's done. But our crowd and I'm ashamed of my administration. But that's what we're doing. And we got to do these things ourselves because he's not there. But Mansfield not gonna do it. The layoffs not gonna do it. And what I do is I damn sure try to be in that gallery. I have Joe Barr in that gallery or have a ballman if he can do anything and take a roll call with me in Manitow. And when a guy doesn't meet one of the three or four of them sitting up there ought to go to the booth there and call him and call his administrative system ought to know his administrative system. Some people in your department on all your legislation ought to know all these people. They just got to learn them because president and these folks over here Larry carried a good deal of it last year, but you had the best record anybody in the department last year. But what I think is I think it everybody got to be big shots. I think it Joe was undersecretary and he's no longer just he went to FDIC. But when he was just out there leg man by God, he knew where they were and the whole I so good that I want him to take Larry's job. But this is no tribute to their talking. You relied on true day this hell he can't find his way to the Capitol. And for the oldest man up here, Joe Barrow to find out that Joe Bowman and you and if you don't I will. I got time I'll do it. I had a list this morning and wanted to call him and they I had I had Marvin called some and I called some we call Randolph. It's goddamn Randolph told us that he would he couldn't go with us on River Cough at all. But he would help us on anything else. Now if we'd have known we needed him on this we'd have called him on this. But tell me it's 59 to 31 and I can't wait until the roll calls over with it. They just told me when it started how to call Randolph myself. We had him on the phone. I know we had Brewster Brewster said I'll help you if I have to. But we didn't call him because we didn't know it till we read it and it got down. I heard it on the radio. They don't call me. They want to get a good boat 74 to 10 they get me right out of the bathtub. But God when they lose one why you don't hear I had I had 48 and seven. I had I thought we had 55 votes when that thing started on excises and 11 of them but that I had counted definitely the ones named the names I gave you turned around. Well they gave me 58 and 59 day before yesterday morning while I was in the shower. I take one every day. They changed by the day. So I had mine. I had it one yesterday and then I had another one today in my mind for March. Well you take the liberals and you ask Douglas tonight what he can do about helping us get a conference report adopted ask Clint Anderson who he can help you with. Can what do you can you do about Bartlett. Now by God he helped Bartlett in Alaska plenty and I don't mind calling Bartlett. I'd love to call him right this second. But if you all will do a little interference and get the picture and then by God call me tomorrow. I'm going to meet with all the Senate chairman day after tomorrow. But I'd be too late. But I just like to get in this thing and I like to get Marvin and I like to get taken and I'll tell you we can we do some favors over here. We can we can do some changing but I sure am not going to stay in this office without resigning and let Hart keep being more powerful than the president secretary of treasurer and undersecretary and and the chairman of the finance committee because that's just Christ that's too much. So I would get the advice from Talmadge before he goes to bed whether he thinks that he's got to vote against this conference report when they take these out. If he does just say I don't want to bother you you're honorable you're fine. They want to ask you because this means a lot to me and the president. We don't have to be irresponsible but we want to find out. And what's your judgment Herman on Senator Russell and I had to hang that up because he goes to bed at 8 30 and I hung up this phone I'd call it and just say we'll meet in the morning and I've got a problem. Right. And we we can't appropriate this money in the tax bill. That's awful bad practice as you as a governor would know Herman and on this telephone thing I know your problem. But certainly you want us to get six billion that you don't that deficit that day. But we're likely to get locked up here and president asked me to ask you if you could go with us on the conference report if you left out. And now we need you and we want you will you. He says no just say I love you and thank you. Appreciate it. And then when he does tell you ask him if you think what Senator Russell do then I'd ask Clint Anderson to give me advice on which ones of these 10 or 15 that he could help and I'd ask him to ask for Bartlett say the president told me that you've done more for Laskin than anybody giving you all the damn money you wanted for Bartlett. We can't understand Bartlett. And what's happening here. That's number two. And I'd ask him if he couldn't do something with birdie. And then I think I just call Jim Eastland tonight myself and say Jim now we got to have conference support. We can't accept these two things. And do you want you to vote for the conference board. I want your commitment. President wants it. I'd call Don Russell the same thing and I'd call Stennis. And then if you don't call him I'll call him before they get out of bed in the morning. We'll see right quick how many there we can switch. And then I'd get bar after some of these damned middle of the roaders and folks like Pete Williams and Nelson and Metcalf. I'd ask Matt Spiel if he can't do anything in Metcalf. We did ask him and he said he talked to him now what the hell happened. God only knows. Okay you call me in the morning. I think you're right though and for God's sakes whatever else you do. If we don't have a tax bill let's don't get my telephone tax. All right. All right.