 So from the cosplays to the housewives, I'm wondering if the image of women on television has changed for the better. Stacey, let's rewind to the women you grew up with. Wow, there was June Cleaver and Harriet and Ethel and Lucy, Claire Huckstable, kind of slipped Rosanna in there. I've seen a few of these real ones, but I mean, who are these women to you? Well, the first ones that I mentioned, they, you know, with Ozzie and Harriet, so June stayed at home, Harriet stayed at home, she took you, she was a homemaker, and you had Lucy, she stayed at home. She caused a little trouble. She's a little problem, Ethel. So they represented where women were portrayed in society at that time. That was the 60s, early to late 60s. Do you think these were women that were role models? For the women of that time, absolutely. I think it was indicative of what was going on, because if you forward fast now, what the images that we're seeing with the housewives of Atlanta, Beverly Hills, Westchester, it's all that madness of what's going on today. Yeah, well, my point of view of women growing up is a little bit different, mostly because my mom is Korean and she didn't really watch American shows or dramas. So I got my point of view for my father's shows. So all over your father, a lot of the shows that I got were things like Lucy, right? Because it was funny, Carol Burnett. Carol Burnett was great. It was another one. But then there was the Benny Hill Show. I don't know if you guys remember the Benny Hill Show. But it was like, it's an older, it's a guy's show and every now and then you have a sexy party and then all these women come out in bikinis and be like, bounce their boobs and they come right back out. So these were the women you didn't want to be like. Right, yes, but these were, but this was the images that I was getting and they came from my father's point of view of what women were in media. Archie Bunker's wife. Oh, yes. Archie Bunker's wife. Don't look at me. I can't remember her name. I can't remember her name. Because that's where women were. They were traditionally in the home and I think we've seen an evolution. Claire Hexable, when Claire Hexable came to the scene, she started a riot. Not a bad way, but you saw a woman. I don't necessarily want to say her race, but you saw a woman who was a lawyer. Her husband was a doctor. They had six children and she was like doing it all. And she really revolutionized women having it all in TV. Yes, in TV. In TV. For sure. But okay, fast forward to where we are now. What do you think that's done? I think, for me, what the evolution is, is that women are bored now. That's what it kind of looks like. When we have the real. Women on TV are bored? Well, women, yeah, they're bored in general. They got the housewives of this and the housewives of that. They don't look bored on TV. I mean, they're doing this, that and the other and this guy and this one. Yeah, but they aren't, I don't know. And I haven't watched too many of those shows. But I think what happens is it just continues to, let's use the reality. There's a lot of reality shows right now of MTV Real World and Survivor. 16 and Pregnant. 16, Teen Mom and Honey Boo Boo Child. So all these things that are referenced in what we're showing to young women, toddlers and tiaris, have those little girls with makeup on. What was the show they used to have? The Jerry Springer Show. Yeah. Those shows are The Jerry Springer Show. Well, I think there still is that show, by the way. And it's just interesting, though, because all we see is anything and everything we want to see now. I mean, from whatever is shown to us through scripted television to the reality that America is craving. I mean, America loves reality television, whether we like it or not. Neither are you there. The innocence of TV kind of has lost its way. Yeah. Do you think that's given a bad image to women? I do. I think it has, but the flip side to that is there are also some really great images in it as well. Absolutely. For sure. Look at it. I mean, bones. Emily Deschanel is a great character. She's a professional. She's a great. They're very intelligent women out there who are doing things. And they look different. They tend to look more realistic. Like, all of us look. Ethnically, I beg you, yes. Oprah did a wonderful thing for women on TV. I mean, Oprah was another one of those. You have a lot of journalists that are women on Fox and CNN. They have ESPN. So I think there's positive images and they're not so positive images on TV. But I think it's representative of where we are. Some people are based and some people are doing really well. It's like there's an issue. No, no. It's just something I'm really considering because I do think it's not that women are portrayed either better or worse than they were 50 years ago. It's just differently. And there's so many different mediums, internet, Netflix, television, for these opportunities, whether it's reality or scripted, to create these characters of ourselves. TV used to be in black and white. That was the time. Now you have all these medians. House of, I mean, so it's just TV has evolved with the jobs. But do you think it's overly sexualized women? Absolutely. They got people getting they busy on it eight o'clock at night. You would have never saw that growing up. No, that's right. The Benny Hill Show didn't come on until 10. Yes. But you got people full on. You know, hi, at eight o'clock. And I'm trying to have my son watch, I don't know, Nickelodeon. I mean, how do we fight that? I mean, what can we, as women, do? Parent. Parent. Parent. Do not allow them. Well, what do you mean parent? Because I don't have children. Parent myself. Or go in and see what they're doing. We don't have TV in our home. I think I can be someone's best friend when they need their child to be distracted, but can it be their worst enemy? Because they have access to so much information that's not age appropriate. We don't have a TV in our home. Right. Not at all. Oh, well, we don't have a TV at home. But an art or mind appropriate. On that note, we'll be back with more television on Every Way Woman. Stay with us. We'll be right.