 And finally we'll have Day at the Grona Wagon who's in Melbourne and is Director of Research Infrastructure at Monash University, so three terrific speakers today. Okay, so some of what I'm going to say is not going to be a million miles from what you've already heard but that's good, it's always good to be consistent, we'll start I guess a bit about how I got to where I am and because I'm old and have been doing this for a long time I'm not going to tell you every job title I've ever had or every every role I've played I was doing some math during this and I think this is the 14th desk I've had in the time I've worked at Monash so and I really couldn't even tell you every title I've had without thinking about it for a while. Anyway I started off in life with a master's degree in history, you can see from my awesome thesis title there that it was a very practical career-oriented master's degree and about 20 odd years ago I got a three-month filling job as a loans person in one of our branch libraries, eventually got a degree in over diploma in information management and have consequently worked in lots of different bits of Monash University's library and also worked at University of Ballarat for a while. I guess I would reiterate really strongly the point that both Philippa and Kathy have made that projects are a fantastic way of of moving out into different bits of the world and finding out different things you can do and learning new skills. These are five of the projects that I've worked at while still being a Monash employee over the years and in every one of those I started off thinking I'm never going to know what's going on here and there's a whole lot to learn and in every one of them eventually you get the hang of it and you move on with your life and full disclosure for those of you aren't aware I did used to work for the Australian National Data Services as one of its directors but about 18 months ago I got a role in the in Monash University's library where I'm the director of research infrastructure as mentioned before and my role is really about enhancing and developing the way we work with researchers and to try and better enable them to do what they do well and make it easier for them to do what they do well. So I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea to actually try and define what a data librarian is because it's an interesting thing and you know both Kathy and Philippa have alluded to the fact that it's a changing thing. I will subtly hint that we're actually advertising for one at Monash at the moment to work on an ANS funded project so you know go to jobs.monash if you're interested we're certainly looking for people to be involved in that but the role itself isn't even though we've got a job advertised called data librarian it's not a terribly clearly defined role in the broader scheme of things I mean we know what to do with that particular project. But what I've been thinking of this role as being and what I've been thinking of the data librarian as being is a person who uses the traditional skills and strength of the librarian to enable researchers to do more than data management because data management is sort of where we started with this but actually to share their research outputs to publish it those widely to preserve their outputs and librarians bring a whole lot of skills that will help researchers to do that and I'll you know talk about those a bit more as we go on and sometimes we're asked why librarians why should librarians be part of this you know this is a this is an interesting and ongoing struggle I guess in a university a lot of people think of libraries as being you know the place where books go to die and students go to get out of the weather and that's a that's a real challenge for us and you know we have to keep saying to people well why are librarians part of this I think we are actually wanting to be part of this changing world that the librarians I know you know see that there's a different future ahead and we need to do that the library often has really good relationships with the researchers and the faculty with the people who support them and with other parts of the university you know we we cross over a large part of the function of the university and work with lots of different people and those relationships are really important and and you know Kathy in particular spoke with that earlier that those relationship with your technology services people a relationship with your research office with your research office those are really critical to being able to make it more seamless for researchers I think librarians have a really good reputation for trust that you know most researchers who I talk with they may not necessarily think we do the coolest things but they certainly trust us to do what we do and do it well I think we have a lot of transferable knowledge and skills you know a reference interview which you know most of us learned at library school is actually a really important skill no matter what you're talking to researchers about we understand metadata are a lot better than most people do in the university we've been dealing with copyright and IP for a lot longer than most people in the university and libraries have also been a center for activities around to scholarly communication anyway you know we've been pushing the open access thing for quite a few years and we have actually done a lot of thinking about the issues around well how do you communicate research effectively how do you look after that research output effectively so these are some broader level skills and you know I both Kathy and Philip I had lots of really nice lists of more skills than this and and you know these are because I'm a director I get to be high level but the things that I think we need to be able to do effectively to make the data of librarian role work is to enable the researchers to do what they need to do to help them with the basics around the tour the what they need to think about in terms of research data management what are all the elements around research that they often know but they don't always connect so how does ethics how does your ethics application fit in with your ability to publish a research data later on is a really good example of that often ethics tends to wear on the side of caution where people will say okay well we need to protect this for five years or ten years and then delete it all so that no one can ever do something bad with it which is fine in some level but bad and others where you don't get that opportunity to share we need to think about the about how we can help them to find the tools that the researchers can use without necessarily having to be expert in all of those tools but helping them to be aware of the things that we can't we've got the things that we can do be it a metadata store or a registry or your institutional repository whatever it is and being tools that might be offered by other bits of the university and that's where referring comes in and that idea of being able to help to understand what people what the the needs of the researchers are and be able to refer them to other places when you need to be and you know someone described this to me really nicely recently we say well as librarians we've been very used to saying in the past that's a hard question you're asking I think I understand the question and I'm going to need to go away and find more information for you to answer that question you know we accept that we don't always know the ants the answer to a whole reference question straight away because some of them are complicated working with research data and working researchers is the same thing it's about how do we understand the question and understand where we can send people to get an answer to that question or the tools that will allow them to answer it and the other school is one that we've always had as libraries which is about how do we describe this stuff so that other people can find it and how do we organize it so that people can find it and how do we do that in a way that is sustainable for ourselves as it is the really interesting challenge for me so this is an example and you'll be sitting here thinking gosh isn't that a helpful and useful looking diagram and but this is an example of something we did in the library last year and all credit to Catherine Unzworth who used to work at answers at Monash's library now working for ants where we were having conversations with researchers and it became clear to us that most researchers didn't really understand the storage options available to them within the university and that there was no single place to point people to and say if you're going to store your research data in particular circumstances particular conditions this is what you should do there were lots of little answers scattered around the university and so we started conversation and Catherine did a lot of chasing of well what is the actual answer to that question where is the data going to be where are the places the university wants to put it where can we advise people and this is an early attempt at trying to solve that question and as you can tell it's not terribly user-friendly but it was an interesting example of trying to map it what we ended up with was this document this is a one page document as you can see and it combines some of that stuff I've been talking about so it combines here are the things that we do at Monash that that that you might need to know about so it's advertising the services that we offer it advertises where you can get them from it tries to take you to the reference questions in the top of thinking what are you working with what are you going to do with it what do you expect to do with it and so on and it also says there are times when you need to go and talk to an expert and it might be someone from our e-solutions which is our ITS area or it might be someone in the library but we're trying to visualize something that will allow us to do that and we're also acknowledging the fact that we need to put this out on the web because not everyone's ever going to come and ask these questions you need to put the questions where people can discover them so I thought I'd just finish with a couple of comments on where things are going this is from the Association of College and Research Libraries in the US their environmental scan of where where libraries are going over the next few years the link is there if you're interested and this isn't all of the things that all the trends are the headings but these are ones that I thought were a particular interest in the research data space and thinking about the skills that libraries are going to need or the areas that we're going to need to be expert in or understand in order to to advise researchers going forward and to work with researchers going forward I don't have time to go into all these in great depth it's a really interesting document but you know just pulling out the fact that research data services are a big thing digital humanities are big things publication the big things these are the you know this is where our role is is moving and that raises really big and interesting challenges for us as data librarians one is the challenge of learning new things and to moving into new areas in a sustainable way it's a real you know the libraries do lots of stuff there's lots of things going on we're not all going to get millions of new dollars to employ lots of new staff to do these things how do we sustain this this these new services you know projects are great and funding is lovely and funding isn't forever though how do we actually take this forward into into into a service or a way of thinking that works forever and what do we have to give up for that to happen how do we actually decide well these are things that we might have always done and that we value at some level but we can't do anymore and what are those things and where do they free up resources to do new things and as I said before there's a real ongoing challenge in terms of us being taken seriously some academic some researchers think oh library great love to work with them fantastic some of them think library yeah nothing to do with me they're there to support undergraduates by putting somewhere that putting the textbook somewhere so continuing develop our roles continue to be shown that we understand not only this challenges in abstract but the challenges the researchers face and the challenges in the researchers way of doing things I think is a really a really interesting one and you know Kathy and Philip are both talked a lot about the importance of communication importance of talking and listening and you know we're getting out there and that for me is a critical part of what we need to do going forward and that's my address if anyone wants to send anything that we don't discuss here later on but at that point I'll hand back over to you Jerry thanks David another fantastic presentation and and from a slightly different perspective in someone in a senior management role so thanks thanks David and well I'll wrap it up there for today thank you again particularly to presenters three wonderful presentations so thank you to Kathy and Philip and David for your time and for your insights today so thank you all and hope to see you again at another event shortly thank you