 He's on his way over. So we were talking about, before Jonathan Moritz came on Oracle, a lot of people think that we don't like Oracle. Just the opposite, right? I love Oracle. I love Oracle, too. I've got three big buildings, and they employ a lot of people. And Larry Ellison, to me, is one of the most charismatic, brilliant figures in our industry, if not the most. And I'm not trashing Oracle. I love Oracle. I love what they've done. I love what they're doing. We're just keeping an eye on it. I think because they have the ability to kill innovation. Well, and plus, they are sticking it to a lot of customers that I know. They are missing on a lot of their customers. Holding them hostage. What did Ellison say? Putting a gun to them? No longer do you have to load the gun and then hand it to Oracle. What do you mean by that? What he's talking about is, you're going to keep paying them and they're just going to keep jacking up the process and extracting rest. They're financing their bull factory to put it through your head. You know what? That's what happens when you have absolute power. You're going to do that. So power to Oracle. I don't have any hatred at all for Oracle. However, I will tell you this, that they are really sticking it to a lot of my customers and I feel like we've got to be advocates for those customers. I recently wrote a blog and said, if you want to negotiate with Oracle, you better bring your best and brightest. You better treat Oracle negotiations like a project and you should be doing things like a dupe to try to find ways to reduce your reliance on that. I think that's a good point. I've been hearing that consistently. I know that you've been advising through your research, open research, open source research, some things in the back room or in the wiki that you're doing where how to negotiate an Oracle license because I'm telling you, it's a big app and deal because they can actually, with the licensing policy of their licenses, could actually stunt innovation within an enterprise. Yeah, well the number one question I get from Oracle customers is, can you help me with pricing? Can you help me get a break? Because what Oracle will do is they will audit you and viciously they'll go in and present you a bill. It might be 200,000, it might be 2 million to pay up. Oracle's very aggressive like that. Many other of their competitors are not. Yeah, so we went on a tweet tear last week, just some random thoughts, just talking about, look, if you want to negotiate with Oracle, you better bring your big guns, you better treat them as a project. Now, here's my recommendation for folks that, especially those customers wanting to go VMware, Oracle will come in and they will say, look, why do you want to go VMware? If you do that, you're going to spend more They think they're saving money by going with VMware. Which generally they are, except when they get to the license part of it with Oracle, Oracle's going to charge you per VM and you're going to kick and scream and you're going to say you can't do that and they're going to say, oh yeah, we can and we will. What are you going to do? Go to DB2? That's the loaded gun. If you're not prepared to move to an alternative like DB2 and be serious about it, then Oracle's going to continue to extract rents. So you want to negotiate with Oracle, you got to get serious. Spend some money on finding some alternatives. It's like the old Amdahl coffee cup, right? Remember that story? The IBM sales rep would walk in, they'd see an Amdahl coffee cup on the...