 Did you guys do time together? Yeah, in fact, I did the last couple years I did that, Elaine Hunt, see was there with me. Cool. Well, how's he doing? He's doing good. You know, see a fighter. Yeah. He's never going to give up his pursuit of freedom and he shouldn't because he was done wrong and, you know, they know he was done wrong. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Was this before the sea murder thing? It had to be before. Yeah. Mine was like a year and a half before. But they started, they started rolling those around the same time, though, the same way. I mean, when I say thinking of it, you dealing with the same court system? No, I was dealing with St. Tammany Parish. He was dealing with Jefferson Parish, which are not the same, but they are. You got no limit. They are two. And they, they all, these all rub shoulders, you know that, right? Right. And these are the two most, these are two of the most conservative parishes in Louisiana. Wow. Did you guys do time together? Yeah. In fact, I did. The last couple of years I did that, he was there with me. Cool. Well, how is he doing? He's doing good. You know, see a fighter. Yeah. He's never going to give up his pursuit of freedom and he shouldn't because he was done wrong and, and, you know, they know he was done wrong. Just like in my situation, I think in situations like ours, it don't, it don't even be about the money for them. It's like what they can, the, the, the point they can prove is far more important than to them than what money you can spend with them as far as own lawyers and stuff like that. They use us, I think, to foster, to, to spread this, I'm tougher on crime message. Here goes one of your heroes. And I'm going to show you that if he, if he, if he get in trouble, I'm going to do him so seriously to make sure that none of y'all can think that it's sort of like they use us as deterrents. Yeah. So do you. So you said spirits is good. So that's a good thing. Just the conversations he been gone now for years, man. Yeah. How long has he been gone? Like 20, like I was in there about 20, I did 21, he's about right at 29. And you say you weren't bitter in prison, but how was he, was he bitter like in the beginning stages when you. I'm pretty sure he went through the same stages we went through because we all, I think everybody and you can probably attest to that. We all, you know, in the beginning, you know, you're mad, you feel like, man, how could this happen to you? Yeah. There were times I questioned God. Of course. Like, man, how could you let this happen to me? Yeah. Yeah. So eventually it was like, okay, I got to the point where I was like, all right, now this prison could be hell for you, or it can be college campus. It's up to you. You make it what you want it to be. I chose to make it my college campus and I chose to learn and to do whatever I can do. Yeah. Yeah. I want to do everything that was constructive, anything that can help me get in a better situation. And I like to win. I don't like to lose. So when I was, when I was there, I kind of started paying attention to the guys who were in similar situations as mine and who were getting free. And I just started following the trail they left because in prison, freedom is a win. So I don't like to lose. So I went to paying attention to them and just following that path that they was doing. So all of the other foolishness that people was doing to let out that anger they felt, that bitterness they felt, I mean, it wasn't helping you. It wasn't doing nothing, you know, other than telling people how you feel.