 Well, hey, well good morning. Good morning, Hal. Good morning. Good to see you And I know that we this this holiday weekend a lot of people have Well, they a lot of people took off on Friday and we'll are still disappeared. They're still gone I don't know where they went. Most of us are Most people I guess states are starting to reopen and people are getting out and about Did you do anything exciting over the weekend? No, not as far as going anywhere or doing anything. We did using the traditional steak barbecue last evening One of the nice things that's been happening here with the with the shutdown and everything is that of the number of the local musical groups have started doing live streaming on Facebook or Twitch or one of the various streaming services and It's it's turned in to out to be kind of a regular thing There's a bunch called the porch rockers here in town and they put on a live concert from a driveway last night It was quite an audience People pulled up all very nicely distant apart that sitting in their cars There was even a fire truck that pulled up and it sat down for a while. So that was it was pretty neat You know, it's it's not really as much fun as being there, but it's it's not half bad It's not half bad Yeah, there's a I know that there's been some innovation that's been happening around the music side of things to make up for The the lag time between some connections. It'll be interesting to see And hey Sean it'll be interesting to see is they You know create some technology that does a better job of syncing up that conversation Which can then be applied almost like an R&D effort and can be applied to meetings in general Sean we're just talking about bands Musicians that are playing, you know online little mini concerts and things for people in streaming that which is You know, I've got the benefit of having really nice quality high quality speakers my setup. So You know, that's I'm sure people or have been throughout this been upgrading their home studio setups I Suspect you're right Sean what's the latest with you? Along those lines I am back to Kickstarter effort. I don't know if you happen to see it Posted out on my Facebook page, but it's a all-in-one sort of podcast mixing system Which was relatively inexpensive inexpensive and I thought it'd be interesting way to Or at least something interesting to play with for a short period of time You know be interesting to and I didn't I saw the link I didn't explore further into that since I have a lot of other equipment and microphones and So I've got my You know that the audio the zoom device not zoom the video player that most people know but It's an actual Digital recording and I've got I can do up to eight channels So I can do a I've got a double mic on the front of it so I can have up to eight people Yeah Yeah, so I just posted the link. I know you've got much better equipment heck I remember from SharePoint fast Seattle when you popped open your magic case full of condenser Whoa, yeah, the one like a rogue anesthetist, you know walking in someplace I'm the I'm the traveling carnival guy. You know look at my wares You're just the carnival guy. It's it's I've got salves. I can you guys I can you know grow some thick hair I was completely bald two weeks ago, so Hey, let's kick things off. I've got a great question. I've I did end up commenting on this So I won't share my answer. I'll share some of the other answers But a guy so Phil out on the Microsoft Teams community on Facebook Starts it out says what am I missing? I have a team so Microsoft Teams question with about 16 channels I need to assign a guest from another work domain to see just see one channel in that team From collaboration on a project. I did a test and the guests can see all 16 channels Of course you add them to a team they can they have access to that so how can I assign permissions to just that one and Let me tell you that the he had a range of incorrect responses One it's just not possible You know like that you just don't understand The the way that teams is set up and that's working as designed Somebody else telling him lecturing him that he has too many channels and that's just the wrong use of teams Folks you can have a hundred channels. There's no wrong way to use teams in that respect And somebody else coming to do teams is horizontal not vertical You can remove them from teams but add them to the and this is correct to a SharePoint online Library that's another way of accomplishing that But if so I'll let you guys answer So he had 16 channels. He wants to add a person to just one of those channels. How do you do that? my thinking well, if one of those if the channel in question were implemented as a private channel and Ding ding ding ding. Yeah, that's my thinking. That's that is the scenario that they deployed private channels and so it's a if you need to restrict access Then that is the only way to go and do that it essentially Breaks the hierarchy the permissions hierarchy You would have to go and use treat it like that channel as a completely separate team Meaning that if you want everybody in the team to have access to it plus that one person you add Everybody in plus that one person and you can do that from your active directory say you're like all employees Whatever it was for the creation of that team plus that that one person and then they would have access to only that channel Yeah, that's my thinking yeah You know, there's a lot of people that had a problem with Private channels a lot of SharePoint people that spent years cleaning up permissions Continue to clean up permissions. They still bear the mental and emotional scars. That's right and But you know, I think I said all along and I was one of those people. I wasn't a fan of that I think there are other scenarios like just giving access to You know to the to a SharePoint list that is locked down However, you want to have the rest of the benefits of the chat and integrations with other applications As well as access to content. There's there's not it's not just about content Within those teams so I understand why they did it And so I don't use them very often. I've got a couple and they meet those those scenarios So make sense Anything I thought that was a good question to kick things off with Let's see quite a few questions of rolled into the communities What's here's a great broad question. What's the difference between a to-do list and planner? Practically or in terms of implementation or what it's targeting. Yes, I mean, I just think of tasks literally as a collection of tasks that I can check off and it's much like taking that piece of no paper writing things down scratching things through whereas planners a bit more involved with that and Has the ability to Do swim lanes and organize tasks and things more extensively? That's my thinking or at least that's the the containers. I put them in Once for a group and the other is for an individual that's kind of a little over the simplistic way of looking at it Yeah, that was gonna be my my basic things. Yeah, you're right I mean some of the it's probably confusing that they're they're also trying to make them Completely integrated so that can I go in if I have a planner plan a board and I have ten tasks and all ten of those tasks are assigned to me then they're Basically the same thing because in to-do I would see all of those ten tasks as soon as they're assigned to me But I guess to Tal's point five of those could be assigned to Sean and then they would not show up on my to-do list Or would they get done? And then they wouldn't get done That's that's kind of the age old project managers Problems like most project managers career PMs have a bit of that OCD ADHD going on I spent the first, you know a half of my career in project management related roles And so it's like it's not getting done while going and do it myself. I want it done right, you know Yeah Anyway, I thought that was a Good question, but yeah, I think that the it's gonna be the lines are getting blurred between the solutions The new list capability that's gonna be another one of these where people will start to ask that question Which tool do I use when do I use the planner tasks? Do I use planner? Do I use or do I use teams tasks that new app or the list app? Or planner or to-do Yes, yeah the answer is yes Yes Well, that's but what that's exciting about that if you think about that as a task That's assigned to you as a single object that's captured by the graph and it's picked up and that task is used in planner and in teams Uh, and eventually we'll see more of that kind of deeper integration with project and project online as well Uh, it's still a little bit of degree of separation. There's that DMZ between Microsoft project and project online with planner and tasks But uh, but I think they're going to see some deeper integration over the next couple years Um, but you've got that individual artifact that is uh, you know can be tracked and measured and then utilized by those different User experiences and that's what we're talking about where they've developed a new app Which is a new user experiencing? Leveraging that same data that lives in multiple places So what is the right? The the answer that where where do you go? Which tool do you use? and I guess the answer is you use the one that makes sense for you to use Yeah The one that fits the situation at hand. Yeah Definitely You guys find into any questions this past week? No, thanks. I found it out in the drug that I reported Uh, only one how? Well Yeah, for the last couple of days. Yeah, search search is broken Except that it's not broken in on anything but an outlook.com account Interesting. Yeah, it uh If you've got an office 365 account a pop account and iMap account search works fine office Outlook.com live.com Hotmail msn mail it comes back and says there was an issue. We think you're offline And uh, so collected a bunch of logs had a nice little chat with a couple of the engineers and Hopefully there'll be a fix for that coming out presently What was the announcement that that just was made this last week around search and and teams? Do you guys see that? I didn't know I don't think so While christian's looking for that along those same line of bugs one that's been bugging me quite literally for Seemingly the end the beginning of time is um I told you my wife and I keep a family calendar and share point online Uh, and we both synchronize that to our outlook clients on the desktop Well one thing that keeps happening And we have to keep going back and doing this again is once we connect the calendar to outlook It'll work for a while and then we start Getting permissions errors Um, and it stops synchronizing you can't send received tasks and so that linkage gets broken You have to basically drop the calendar for outlook go back into Office 365 or SharePoint online and open it up and outlook again Now I you know, I understand the permission situation. I know tokens and whatnot I actually in the interest of it may be being a A particular account issue. I added all of the accounts That I have email for into that SharePoint site and granted them the same rights on the calendar And I still run into this problem It still comes back with a An authentication issue it can't sign in and there's no amount of finagling I can do from the outlook side To repair this I have to go back in the SharePoint and it has to reestablish The link and outlook and then it runs fine for a while from indeterminate period of time and then it'll break again Uh, you ready one of the insider channels or one of the solar ones Uh, pardon me Is your outlook version an insider any and so one of the insider channels or in one of the general release channels um It I believe I've got both situations. I've I've tried this with the click to run install Both on insider not insider I've also launched. I believe what I've got installed right now is the client from the MSI that I download the heavy client And includes the all office professional and The installation doesn't seem to make a difference So I'll actually Well, though the one thing that I wanted to point out I don't know how many people are aware of this but if you've got The one of the insider versions of for that matter not only of this office outlook, but office there is a Contact support feature that actually goes back to the product group And uh, you can pop that thing up and it'll take screenshots. You can it'll send logs It does all kinds of stuff. This is what I just got to reporting this the the search bug that that I came up with Thanks for reminding me that That's not just for Mvps developers people that are Trying to write code or anything like that That's for anybody that's happens to be on that channel that If you've got it inside a channel build you've got that feature and Use it to report stuff. They they're happy to see that That's a good point. I'm glad happy about the bugs, but they're happy to see the people that think you're paying attention Yeah, well they stay in business. In fact this error message I just sent I put in the chat window Interestingly enough, this isn't the particular list. I'm talking about this is my And it's not reporting a permissions error Now for the people list because we synchronize people contacts. It's saying the server may not be reachable from your Oh, share point online isn't reachable I can go to that list right now. It's yeah, it's something something with a way outlook connects. I don't know if it's like old Com plumbing or something that just does not deal with Tokens properly. I don't know what but It's not at all resilient And I'm I'm sure there we're not I don't think we're alone in this problem. I'm sure somebody else has seen it before Now well There's always user voice to go chase And a lot of them show up over there for things like that and fortunately For all of us microsoft is starting to pay attention to user voice again Yeah, well there is the q&a site now. Yeah You can always go plop it out there I'm sure microsoft loves to see anytime. I make a post I've Indelibly scarred myself on bill bears memory After headers disappeared from share point online. I became that relentless hound. He couldn't kick away Bill I like quite a few of those Yeah, I know bill. I love you. You're a great guy. Thank you for tolerating me Thank you for uh, eventually coming and chris mcnulty too because chris was the other guy I started with on this and then I went to bill I called them out by name in various posts and channels and i'm like i'm sure they love that sort of attention I think my my three that I've flogged bill's number one Cashman number two mcnulty number three Nobody yeah, yeah Cashman's such a good natured guy about everything But you know, I've often described bill's gonna love this. I've described him to people They're like, what's he like? I'm like he is that troll in the furnace room That nobody really pays attention to he's always grumpy and he's responsible for feeding the fires And that's that's that's bill He always has that kind of underlying attitude It's a lovable guy, but he is funny You have to find a clip now. I just made me think of the classic film uh, Thumbtannic Oh, no Oh He said we we must make the ship go faster. It must be faster faster faster faster And then so they you know the the the engineers they call it down to the furnace rooms and they're like We get to work more Faster throwing the wood into the fire, you know I'll find that Hey A little bit of new of news of new news that came out, um about something that I think has caused it again the response of the witch tool when response Okay during the headlights Microsoft lists Wow, we have gotten a whole bunch of commentary and thoughts in various channels on that Sean Wooder lists I'm not going there. I'm not touching that one not with a 10 foot pole No, what so what's the comment commentary? What have you heard? uh It has produced a great deal of confusion Especially amongst people who have been longtime share point practitioners Like what do we use with this? What do we do with this list thing? What is it replaced? What's the intended use? So the use cases are certainly there and everybody else is like What does the kind of product and app roadmap collectively look like for everything going forward with this Is it going to deprecate or cause a sunset to some things? What should we be warning people we might need to get away from? I think there's uh There was a distinct Sense of worry In the community amongst our friends And I've yet to see a lot of really good guidance from Microsoft. So I think that's a good topic for conversation Yeah, if you think of the well, we just we talked about the Private channels and the concern when they started talking about private channels a couple of the year and a half Two year almost two years ago It was a while back before we we actually saw it go live um And it was the people who had all of that rich history of administration was with share point that That saw you know, we already had the wild west of groups creation and uh And trying to and that's you know an ongoing concern for some organizations and Locking down the provisioning process. And so I my first thought with the announcement of of list And microsoft doing the look at the beautiful shiny things that we're showing you and then all of the people think Wait a second What actually what just happened to my job? What do I have to go clean up? What's happening on the back end? What have you done to me? Right and so You know like like a lot of things I mean I had this we had this this conversation last week about project cortex and I've said oh look I'm not going to talk about the functionality of what it can and can't do until I can actually get my My hands on it like everybody else. I'm reading you know about it lists is not available yet So we we can't get our hands on it. We can't play with it So we we can't really have an opinion on it until we see that And run through some scenarios and then start really digging into What is happening on the back end what the management experience is like for this thing? But I think those those are good questions to ask What is this displace? essentially though it's they've packaged SharePoint lists and they've made it more accessible through other as a standalone offering it through teams And they've created a bunch of templates fad 40 anybody no So they've created a bunch of templates and I Look, this is one of those questions. I think you know I remember specifically Having a conversation with somebody. I think it was at SharePoint Saturday twin cities Where we said, you know, I wish I could just have this list and do other things with it and Wishes have come true. We get this this side up. I think it completely makes sense from a user experience But like you I'm just concerned about what's actually happening on the back end or what will happen what that'll look like Yeah, and it's a fair point to say be careful what you wish for But yeah, I think we'll see some more of that guidance, you know, microsoft to their credit. I don't want to Drub them too much. They have we heard that this was coming That is the mvp crew and they did a little bit of qa on it But you know some basic questions like, you know SharePoint app versus the lists app is there one I should be using over the other or are there particular You know scenarios that are best handled or envisioned through one and not the other I mean those sorts of things just basic sort of guidance. We could really use some help on Well, that was that Microsoft historically has done that, you know, the hey, let's put two overlapping 60 overlap Products out there with slightly different Go-to-market plans around them and let's see which one sticks which people gravitate toward and it may be that Hey, we're using the SharePoint app for our legacy Experiences and views into that data or sometimes where it's built out. It was SharePoint first And and now I'm you know, I just want to visualize that bring that over to an environment and where most people Most end users, they're really not going in thinking from a SharePoint standpoint. They're in this Graphical interface. They just want to be able to go and track some project information and pull a bunch of people into it And they don't need to know that just like most things in teams. It's SharePoint under the covers But they just want a more packaged more produced Solution for building out that list Yeah, this is actually now that you mentioned this is This is one of those scenarios where Microsoft is almost conducting an extended A B test Seeing what bakes out where users gravitate Kind of to winnow things down perhaps in the future. I don't know. I don't think that's their Stated purpose and I don't think that anybody was suggesting it, but it kind of works out that way Can I add my custom list my list app to my yammer community? Yeah I'll ask those guys. I'll ask uh, holstie Story there, you'll become a favorite customer number one. I'm sure Uh, let's see. What else what other questions what else has been out there? Um I like your t-shirt Oh, yeah, I've worn you've seen this before though Um, I don't think I pay too much attention to it. But uh, yeah, I like the the little I have sore on there in the middle of the signal I yeah, there's a there's a couple different versions of plays on this. This is the of course I remember what the original artwork was but uh, it was used famously by joy division as an album cover And uh, then you've got the little the Lord of the Rings version of it Yeah, I have my I bought those t-shirts Um, I it was one of those where I bought three shirts or four shirts I've got the um Uh, the giving tree beard as well You've seen that one. So it's the giving tree cover instead of handing the boy the little boy and and apple He's pouring them out. It's it's tree beard and he's pouring out entrot Water Yeah And it's a little hobbit. So he's got bigger feet. Oh boy um No, I I bought like my mordor fun run because you don't just walk to mordor all the way to mordor Nobody just walks into mordor. Yeah, it's a fun run. Yeah Um, but a couple of those were my first wash and they shrank like two sizes Oh, man, you had to give them to my skinny boys Where I'm his leg wraps Uh Yeah, that's the way I can put on that t-shirt and look completely ripped in an unflattering way Yeah, I've got some of those that just by virtue of time have come to be that size and those don't get worn anymore Yeah, oh and I like your shirt too classic The future is here Uh Nice yeah, my daughter's like what's that? Five and a quarter fox no more. It's a coaster, honey. Yeah I'm trying to remember the name of it. Uh, uh, you know, anyway, I don't give old storage devices, but Yeah, I we had it ran to that situation again We were looking for a couple movies this weekend and we couldn't find them on any streaming service And like we could pay for them on prime And and I said I said, you know, we own the dvds But we don't for the tv that's upstairs. There's no dgd player It's just you know, a tv hang smart tv hanging on the wall connected to wi-fi And they have to come downstairs where it's uncomfortable for a large group because there's only two comfy chairs for the xbox because xbox one and Down here in my my office, but that's the only place where you can watch movies off of dvd Nice there it is It's classics fargo and full money Yeah, I was gonna get raising arizona and she's like, had you gotten that yet? I'm like, no She's like, well don't because I found this dvd that's got three movies on it. I'm like, that's okay Hey, I did Brazil are you getting the split screen thing? I'm not I just ripped it and I haven't watched it yet. Are you saying that it's uh, it's doubled on the screen So like is there a setting dude? I did I do something like nope everything else plays Normal and there so it's uh, yeah, it's not watchable Okay, thanks for saying that I'll go back and take a look at that. I'm not sure what happened there Sorry, Hal. We're talking plex Sean's question That's happened occasionally with Do and until somebody points it out I if I haven't watched it. I really don't notice I think once One movie there was no sound. I'm like what happened here. I No clue Hey, here's a great question. This was posted over the microsoft teams Space on the the group on facebook says anyone with the solution my son has a new mac book air for school The camera works fine, but his microphone doesn't work and other apps his microphone works fine. Any suggestions? Hmm. Well, if the micro Yeah, uh replace the user. Yeah buy a pc or replace the user. Yeah That's good. Have cac air I just love that question is the general it mac related in a microsoft teams Yeah, that That is going wide with it. I guess Because first of all, you're gonna get in all likelihood. You're gonna get some haters hating on you So you're taking a chance there and then they're gonna make fun of you for the fact that You pretty much answered your own question if you realize that Which is there's not a problem with the microphone Yep. Oh, here's the question So back another team's question is teams appropriate for interacting with customers outside your organization Inviting them as guests to the team. We have created teams for every customer with different projects as channels One problem seems to be that every customer has to create an office 365 account Which not everyone is willing to do I like to find the best way to communicate in one place with customers as an alternative to outlook That's a perfectly valid use of it and me you're not going to get around the Outlook account creation. That's a feature not a problem Well, there's one other problem that I identify here. It could be a problem But if you have a single team with each channel as a customer, it means that they can all see each other Unless they're private channels in which case you just sign yourself up for a lot of permissions nightmare management. So, yeah There's no, I think ideal easy solution to that. But yes teams can be the solution Just going to have to jump through certain hoops Yeah Uh-oh time to walk the dog Uh, they've been walked. Yeah, there's uh That by another son that stayed the weekend over here and has to go back to works this afternoon And so they're just excited to have More familiar faces around I'll bet Yeah, the uh, but I think that you're you're right. It's um It's one of those issues that uh people have complained about well, how hard, you know, some of the Office 365 Microsoft 365 products are to use and how easy some of these third party solutions are We've talked about week after week like Why we were using zoom for so long and You know that this morning was another reason why I was thinking Should we just go back and use zoom because it works the way we needed to work? But No, we're gonna stick through and I've got an answer Probably we're we're gonna move to the team's live tonight So, uh No live stream, but at least people can Join in anonymously and watch and ask questions and we can share out that link So i'll make that that shift when we're done here. Um, but the uh Um, you know what was I saying? Um The yeah, the the people complain about you that you know that how complex it is because Microsoft solutions are designed for the enterprise And so you you predominantly know who you're collaborating with they're more secure It's meant to retain information capture In teams the conversation as well as the content and do it all in a secure way so that you Are only sharing with people that you know that are confirmed And so you go to a lot of these other easier to collaborate solutions web based solutions, right? And they're less secure So it depends on what you need to go and do if you your enterprise your organization or company Need something that's secure that meets all of those Uh compliance regulatory Security requirements that your IT team has then teams is going to be able to meet that There are sometimes some little minor hoops to jump through to get people in there collaborating But it's it's going to be the best for you long term. It's just Yeah, it's are you building your house on stone or on sand people come on? Yeah, there are two organizations I work with right now where their IT Excuse me their IT departments have specifically made zoom verboten. Nobody's allowed to use it and categorically It's not allowed for use within the organizations For the very same reasons you described. I mean obviously the feature set of zoom is intended to Be easier to access lower cost of energy and investment getting into it, but you pay for that with security potentially holes in the platform All sorts of things like that. So it's hard to have one and It's hard to have one set of benefits and the other set of benefits at the same time you got to kind of Determine where you really want to be in all of that And where your organization is or what the what your organization will require of you You know the new york times test if you know suddenly all this stuff ends up on the front page tomorrow Are you or is someone else in your organization going to get fired or worse as a result? something to think about Well, that's the you know, I I think it was uh john white who MVP who Kind of coined the phrase that you know no longer. Do you need to be the the IT department of no? You know the answer and you know know to everything one of the ideas of teams Was surfacing all of those third-party applications and other integrations It allows you if you instead of in an IT organization If you're able to go to your end users and say look we've provided these solutions We've provided SharePoint. We've provided teams We've provided these custom applications that we've built kind of all the things that you've done and yet they've still gone and paid for unsecure Non-compliant third-party services and tools and installed themselves or used a personal credit card and signed up for it And suddenly they're you know, they are sharing at a manager's meeting. Hey, I went you know IT wasn't responsive. They couldn't give us what we needed. So we went and we built this out Here's this company data that's out in this third party system And then there's the questions of well, how secure is it? You've got our intellectual property that's out on this other place You've invited people in that have not been vetted properly and don't have the clearance to access can all those issues And I don't want to sound like i'm overthinking that I think there there are that is more common than not Yeah scenarios where there are requirements. You're just you know Ambivalent to those requirements. You just want to get your work done But teams allows you to go in and for IT to say look add that third party service as a tab within this team um If you're gonna you're I get it You're you have these use cases. We weren't able to meet your needs Or is it just an education issues? Like did you know? That you're out there using Trello Like we have planner that's built in and it does almost everything And here you might have integrations. You might have other things, but we can give you 80 percent of what you're doing and it's free and it's secure and won't hassle you anymore Or help us understand. What are the scenarios? Can we go and customize? Can we do some things? So it it opens up that possibility to have those conversations with end users about how they're breaking the rules And instead of just shutting them down, it should be a conversation to understand Why why is it? Is it an education? Is it that we don't have the functionality? Is it that we've just You know if the functionality is there, but we it just haven't had the time to help you go and Build exactly what you need to configure what you need within the out-of-the-box experience. So What's compelling you to do that? Yeah, I same sort of situation I had back when I was doing dr work. It was those business critical access databases running on PCs under somebody's desks that were completely off it's radar Not backed up or anything. They're like, well, we can't do without this app. Okay. Well, it's not backed up It's completely unknown to it and if you can't do without it, what are you going to do when this pc crashes? You know those sorts of questions, uh, maybe they hadn't thought that far ahead but yeah What what is the solution not giving you that you need and how can we address that gap is the more productive conversation to have rather than circumventing it and Going enrolling your own it's an interesting you know thing when you culturally If your organization if people feel like they're shut down before and so they never asked those questions They never come to it and have that conversation like this is what we're thinking. This is what we need and let's have a conversation I mean, I I think we've all all three of us have sat in meetings where The dialogue just gets shut down. Well, that's not approved and you need to go through this if we have a process for that and Um, it's funny. I do that voice, but that's exactly what Yeah, uh, but it Instead of starting out and having that that open dialogue about what they're trying to accomplish and I've I've run enough, uh, you know change management teams and governance bodies at different companies and off You know project based and organization based And I've just found that what works better is where you just have that conversation and sometimes you as the it person have to recognize that you know, they have a need that we're not able to go and meet and um You then assess the risk of third-party solution I look at is like if you're going to go and use that third-party tool better that i'm aware that you're doing it and can Monitor that and if you're hit by a bus That I have access to get to that data that just shut it down to move it over whatever but um, but it's better that it be this this open dialogue then Yeah, shut it down because that's when people It's like people are like water running downhill and there's a place of rock. They just roll right around the rock. So and People will find a way to get their work done despite it And you know you use the analogy people, you know somebody gets hit by a bus everybody chuckles with that and You know they go on There was actually my brother was killed by a bus. Oh, sorry. Yeah, maybe they take a better job That's that the the more happy scenario, but I've literally been called in. I was doing some forensic work Uh for an organization that no joke their developer just died They died and they had all of The secrets in their head. They were not documented anywhere And so for the this organization had to forensically try and tease them out of I mean I had to reflect into compiled code to go looking for Because there for instance, there was a solution that was pulling data What somebody thought was from SharePoint. They're like we can't figure out which list this is where it's coming from I went in founded Found an embedded sequel connection with embedded credentials pointing to some other server that was on no one's radar And I'm like actually your data is coming from here And so they were able to finally get to that data, but that was not documented anywhere So, you know, this idea of somebody getting hit by a bus, you know, people literally do just drop dead on the job without documenting things data point one Can pull that up But yes, the happier scenario is they take a happier job or win the lottery and Are living off on a beach and they can laugh at you and your inability to get things done because they're gone But you know, that is the happier scenario I was just on here responding to um I provided a A semi-answer here. I need to add to it more, but it's kind of chuckling somebody was just asking um Three days ago How do I stream a team's public live event to youtube and facebook? Oh boy, uh, so, you know what I love about this. Let me just say that so I've And then there's some links here and I've watched all of these videos multiple times And uh, and just I'll just say how finicky And so how do you do this? It requires teams obs and then the the stream key to that other platform and you can use restream connect to restream and Uh, you basically toggle on multiple channels. So you could um capture You're like this teams event And live stream it to multiple locations like youtube and twitter via periscope and facebook live All at the same time The problem well, there's multiple problems um So what one problem if this is something that people are thinking about doing and and let me just preface this by saying that I don't have it figured out yet because of how finicky things are um, I've upgraded to the latest version of obs and uh, because you have to have a the virtual camera Um installed to be able to use because your camera Can only be used one for one thing one application So if you're trying to use obs And teams the camera's being trying to be used in two places. Can't do that. You have to set up a virtual camera So i've done all that i've gotten it to work And then with the upgrade For some reason even though I have my stream key everything is there It's like it's failing to connect to the server and you get totally helpful Feedback when you go search on like why is it not connecting to the server and people saying that It was largely a bandwidth issues like it's not a bandwidth issue for me It's like well, you need to refresh the stream key did that you need to restart obs Did that you need to restart windows? Did that you need to clear cache you need to do the blah all this stuff did all that Not connecting to server you need to make sure it's your firewall connections are clear that it recognized obs Oh, it's in the list. It's I've done that still not connecting the server. So when I say how finicky it is um If you can't tell a little bit of frustration I probably spent I was telling how I probably shut her Sean, you know like I probably spent another six seven hours this weekend Trying to get this stuff set up and figured out And part of the problem was the older version of obs wasn't recognizing like different things obs open broadcast systems like it's an open source solution It's constantly being tweaked Like I don't know what the thing what the deal is every other technology works And yet and I've streamed for years And and for some reason it's not able to connect with uh with the server so Maybe they're trying to You know, I I just think I need to take that that taper guidance and I need to simplify my requirements Why I think that this evening we're just going to for apac edition of this We're just going to do a teams live And share publicly Anybody can come join and watch the stream and ask questions Uh, but only the panelists will be able to be on screen and yeah That's the it's not ideal. It's not what I want. I want to live stream But if I can't and I don't have time to waste today to uh Try and make this work. So I'm going to spend zero time And we're just going to do teams live this evening. So anyways That was my whiny response long run out response to that innocently asked questions Yeah, they didn't realize what they were tapping into. Yeah, that's that just gonna get a go and unload on that person But in your defense, I know you've poured countless hours into this trying to get things to work and whatnot So you've definitely put in your time It's just there are certain factors in play and it's just not a Trivial to implement solution. No and everybody said the same thing too with obs. They said look you can you can use to run like a television station And have all your fades and cross fades and have multiple people and streamed in different locations Like it's wonderful what it can do and I've seen it working And but everybody said the same thing. It's a pain in the butt to set up Once it's set up It's a dream Yeah, your obs for me is ripping videos you can do it with handbrake, which is a totally free solution has hundreds of knobs and dials and settings to get all of those correct is A monumental effort or you can get a paid for solution like dvd fab which I use which I just Picked the output that I want and it does it. I don't have to spend those countless hours. My time is worth more than that So well, that's what you know, honestly, I was looking for I went and spent a little bit of time to find somebody um Just out through like fiber type things, you know to uh It's like who are experts that I could just pull in on video and walk me through And hey, you need to do this because you have to think about Each of those different scenes and sources You have to think about the video input and output different settings different screens You have to think about the audio components of each of those I've got these fancy monitors my extra wide and my standard large monitor over here both that have audio and You know input and output And so sometimes you forget you have to turn off the mics and speakers for my monitors You know, why am I getting that that echo because that's why how before we started recording here this morning I kept asking that because I was hearing it here Because it was it for some reason not using my primary mic was actually using the little tiny pin dot microphone hole in one of my two monitors Yeah Love that you got to become a technical producer Yep Oh, let's see another how about a one drive question Where's Hans when you need him? Yeah, exactly. And did we uh, did we freeze? Did we lose how? Either that or he's really good at That answers the question. There you go. We lost your video how in the process of losing how yeah So he might come back without his video because I know he's got a A lesser Network connection there. Yeah, I know he's a bandwidth constraint There he is again All right So how I was just about to ask a one drive question It's a backup question Sean Okay, that's a bit more of your background. So, uh rich asks says it's a newbie question So we'll be kind here I I like the idea of using one drive for off-site backup But I really do not need to backup every folder in my hard drive Is there a way to specify which folders to copy to one drive or conversely to specify which folders not to copy? well First we probably ought to ask I'm going to ask the rhetorical question at this point by backup you Really mean backup because if you're backing this up to one drive I would I would be kind of concerned about that but saying let's say that you've already recognized the limitations of that scenario um First of all, do you have enough storage? Are you talking about one drive for business where you've got the terabyte of storage and is that going to be enough to hold your data Or do you need something else if you're on consumer one drive? You're going to be limited to most people are like five or 25 gig right off the bat there um Assuming you've got your storage totally dealt with and you're okay with that um How are you getting this stuff out to one drive? Are you using the file sync client on your pc? And if so, you know, how is that? What's that situation look like? um And I noticed that one drive actually has a Backup function manage backup Yeah, something commented here. So daren hemming actually mentioned he says look you can make one drive the master not the backup So you actually the default storage location for depending on what you're doing yeah And uh, and so that that's that's one way But you know the other thing I was thinking is the the the files on demand And as a being able to go in and say well for these files Whether I want these pure cloud if I want them synced between the desktop or I want them local only only so you have the ability To go in through the the one drive sync client Uh and determine that Yeah, well, I mean so if if you're looking at a backup scenario from a pc to a cloud the files on demand is going to be less of an An option or a function there because if you're moving it through the sync client It has to start out on your local system. Anyway, right Um, so that's that's fine for files that are out in the cloud And then you do not want to have them with a footprint on your system So if you're talking if you're talking cold backup of old things that have been archived And I'm thinking, you know, like amazon glacier storage and things like that this You know files on demand would definitely be an option once you've actually got the stuff out there But moving from your local system, it's There are a lot of other questions. I would want to ask kind of the the 10 or 20 questions um And you know, maybe if if he hears this or sees this and can come out at some point and give us answers to That sort of stuff or at least elaborate on it because You know the requirements and the scenario Unfortunately like share point It all depends and there are different scenarios and different strengths and weaknesses for Different approaches to it that will make sense given your situation or not make sense You know, and I was thinking this just the scenario of uh, you know an individual user It's not the traditional backup. So I'm not looking at, you know, in a system or a The way that we look at it from a share point stand standpoint for example But as an end user with desktop folders and I want those folders to be You know back maybe my maybe I'm you know my my images My pictures folder and I want that You know just kept in sync and that's something that you know the You know files on demand would do really well specifically for that you could say well, hey look I've got all the stuff that's local But the specifically I want synced between so that they're both locations or cloud only But I think to your point it depends on that there's a lot of room for interpretation around What you mean by backup Yeah, what you're trying to back up. What's in those two or three folders? Yeah, so one drive for business If you use the backup functionality manage backups, it looks like it Has the option of going against your desktop Your documents folder by documents and pictures um, you would want to Obviously if you're using that backup functionality locate the things you care about Um in those locations Which this is the whole you know for people who have been using PCs forever This idea of my pictures my documents and whatnot many of us actively fight against that You know, I have a sim a simple You know, I've got a single drive for my system And then all of my data goes on a data drive. I've got other drives for other purposes That doesn't necessarily align with my my documents my pictures um So, you know, if you adhere to the Microsoft's newer way of doing things and putting files in the places that the system expects to find them It looks like this would be more valuable to you than somebody who comes from an old school I want just I want to locate files In wherever location I want to put them in we're on a different drive And deal with it that way All right, uh, you know, we're just about out of time one quick question though, um Is there a way to have outlook give a warning when attaching attachments with pii? Personally identifiable information dlp rules um, and those typically come from the exchange server um administered by your admin so if you've got a dlp program as part of Your office subscription or you're in office 365 These rules can be set up to either actively Block the transmission They can be set up to just warn somebody and give them the option There are different ways to configure the digit when I say dlp I mean digital loss prevention if you're not familiar with that get familiar with those rules um And those can be implemented pushed to the outlook system Of issue or all users some users whatever And they will take effect and thus, you know, there are different patterns that can be searched for one of those is pii personally identifiable information things like Social security numbers and drivers licenses and whatnot There's another one for accounts like bank accounts or credit card accounts There are a whole bunch of predefined rules that can be implied put in place You can implement some of those any of those or create your own Provided your Good at creating patterns things like regular expressions. You can have those built out And your documents will be searched by the rules prior to being sent and if and if it trips any of these rules and there's a You know, the rule is defined to to warn you or to block it that action will take effect So yeah, dlp is the system that's designed to do that And that's what you would do In that situation to make sure you block those documents from going out Awesome Well gents, I know we're slightly over here on the time but Really appreciate your your help and I look for the modified calendar invite for the Teams live for this evening Will do All right. See you guys later. Take it easy Bye