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Let me tell you something that we all have been reflecting on because a decade late, it may be more than a decade late even, but finally happening was a certain great fireworks in the background there, by the way, Ryan, that was fantastic. I'll go on to you in a minute as well. Oh my gosh, Ryan. Okay, let's go, let's go. I'm ready. That is ridiculous. We got something to talk about. Yep, these guys, these folks, kind of a bit of a big deal in what they did. They did the thing. They indeed did the thing, and if you don't know who we're talking about, Ryan, who are we talking about? We are talking about everybody's favorite asterisk, Virgin Galactic. They are a little bit behind Blue Origin in their becomeings to spool up commercial operations with their suborbital hops, but unlike Blue Origin, they are currently operational. And I just want to start off here with their website, which has recently been updated, and I just want to say this is, hands down, the best website for any aerospace company I've ever seen. This entire thing is an interactive 3D model. I'm just going to show you what I'm on about. So I'm just going to scroll through the website, right? This isn't a video. This is doing it live. Just going to scroll through the website. And I just think the way that they have done this is absolutely incredible. So as you scroll down, the spaceship feathers, right? And you can see the sun on the horizon. And then this is boring. This is boring. This is just photos. And then as you get to the bottom of the page, they have a model of Spaceport America with White Knight 2 and the spaceship. And as you scroll, you zoom into the thing. This is just the coolest thing ever. It's just incredible. I love it. There it is cool. It's just, and when you move the mouse around, it moves your view around a little bit as well. I mean, this is a website. Since when could websites do this? This is like, this is like, how? It's just... I love it. It says it sucks on a phone. I mean, I haven't tried it on my phone, but at least on desktop, it's, you know, it's pretty sick. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. That is pretty nice. And I got to say, Ryan, it's really great to see you excited about something besides escalators as well. Local websites. What? At websites to the rest. If you don't know what we're referring to, you should become a member of Tomorrow. You can go to youtube.com.tmro. Slide to join. And you can become a member during the show and join us in the after show where it's very funny things like that end up happening. And yeah, look at that. That is gorgeous. I don't think they're gonna launch at Sunrise or Sunset, but boy, it sure do look pretty. Don't know. They always seem to launch around at the same time, which is about nine o'clock in the morning, mountain daylight, mountain standard time, whatever the observed time zone is then. I guess that's just kind of their process that Virgin Collective have got nailed down an early start. So they have good visibility when they drop. And then obviously have to glide back in for landing. This is a once in space, VSS Unity is a glider. So you only have one chance to stick the landing back at Spaceport America. So they need good weather. Yeah, I was gonna say early in the morning is definitely gonna help with things like atmospheric turbulence and stuff. And like you mentioned, good lighting as well, because I'm sure they're tracking assets out the Wazoo watching their Spaceship 2 and White Knight, I bet, on the way up and down, both of them coming down with that. Speaking of their, not just of their cool website, because we could talk about the cool website, but the whole point in talking about the cool website is that they also did something actually cool this week. And Ryan, you could tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, so I mentioned earlier, they're spooling up commercial operations Galactic 01, their first proper commercial flight. They had a flight earlier last month, I believe. I think it was at the end of May when they brought up their two pilots and then four of their own people to test out the customer experience. This was the first fully crewed flight and the first flight to space since the Richard Branson's flight in 2021. Since then, between those, they did a, I think they did a carry flight and they also moved the spacecraft and the aircraft around. And they also did a glide drop test flight with one where they didn't go to space. They did a white knight to just drop to unity and it glided back to the runway. So this is the first proper commercial operation mission that's been paid for by somebody else is paid for by the Italian Air Force, the government. They were doing some experiments. They had three Italian passengers on board, Colin Bennett from Virgin Galactic who was there to make sure, you know, basically the flight attendant for the mission. And then the two pilots up front who were flying the spacecraft. And this is a manual vehicle. This is manually flown to space. This isn't automated. Obviously they have their instruments which they can look at. But this is, you know, we can look at a video and you can see literally how manual this flight is. It's the, I believe it's the only spacecraft, albeit suborbital that is manually flown to space. Somebody is holding a joystick and then flying this thing to space. This is a computer. Oh, I can think of another one from a different, from a bygone era, but yeah. Nowadays, are you a good dragon? You just press a button and it does everything for you. This is, you know, proper old school joystick and doing everything. Well, let's take a gander at that. Let's see what that looks like. I can't remember which one it is. I think it's this one. I'm gonna try this. Okay, so the way I've sussed this out, right, that the video is coming from one place and the audio is coming from another place. So if they're a little bit out of sync, I do apologize, but it's the best solution that I could come up with. So we're gonna try to sort this. And for this to work, I need to mute Dutter and Jared. So if they start shouting at me, I can't hear them. So let's give this a go. Let's try and get this to work. And... All right, all right. Go. Three, two, one, release. I clicked the wrong video. I clicked the wrong video. Nevermind. Hang on. Ryan, Ryan. How could you? And I'm echoing. Where are we? This is the joys of doing this, right? Okay. We'll do that. We'll do that. That's fine. Oh, I got the right video. Unless I just got the video in the wrong place. Let's see. I want this one. Oh, I was too thoughtful. I want this one at 51 seconds. That's where I want it. 51. Okay. Ah, there we go. There we go. One, release, release, release. Fire, fire. So there you go. Pretty much where the audio ends, but the video continues for a little while. Yeah. I didn't realize how much the drop jolted the unity around after being dropped from VMS Eve. And you can see the spacecraft going up there. Just looks incredible. Honestly, incredible. But yeah, they get jolted around so much. Just like, there you go. Release, release, release. And then they're dropped. I thought it'd be like a graceful just, you know, full and then ignition. I did expect the jolt from ignition, you know, being pushed back into your seat. But no, the jolt comes from dropping. And you can see the flame out here as well. And everyone having a good time. Yeah, it looks a little busy though. Yeah. Let's try dropping you from an airplane and see how that jolts you. Preferably inside of a spacecraft. They're just being thrown out the side of an aircraft. The feather is always, I love it because you get the reflection of the earth on the back. And of course, go get the flag out. There we go. Nothing says 0G like waving a flag. Yeah. GTH042 says, wow, no panic with fire, fire, fire. I would hope so. Yeah. And JTTV also saying the rocket sounds very tinny. So I'm guessing they use some sort of GoPro-esque camera. So I'm imagining that any audio is getting kind of muffled by the housing which the microphone is in. Sounds very carbon-y to me. Tinny as opposed to woody. And you go, this is a great shot. This is a great shot. Let's zoom in and see here. Oh, look, they didn't even cover anything up. So this is essentially the user interface from Kerbal Space Program right here. That's literally what it is, though. Brian, be nice. You've got your standby instruments here. And then you've got, I love this little representation here as well. You've got the spacecraft here. This is too, we had to see. This looks like config maybe, I'm not sure. But yeah, kind of hard to tell. But still, all of these views are unblurred for us to see. No ITAR redactions here. Well, it's not a missile. And these shots as well, they were coming back through the cloud. I'm hoping, oh, they didn't see a lot of it on that one. Let's try the other video. I think there's more of it on the other video. I do hope the pilots are IFR rated. If you're able to fly through those clouds, I don't know. Let's try this one. Is there any more on here? I mean, if you can do it. I might have to put up the livestream in a second, but there was a very cool shot of the spaceship gliding through the clouds. It was a very, very cool thing to see. It was like that, but inside of the cloud. So there you go. Galactic 01, Virgin Galactic officially beginning commercial operations. And the next flight should be in July. Interesting. One of the two. Smoky in the chat room saying, well, it's not a missile. Well, not with that attitude. You did it just to kind of remind you there. But yeah, I don't know if anybody watched the livestream. I thought they handled it pretty well for what it is. I can't imagine getting those live shots on a suborbital flight in the middle of nowhere. New Mexico is exactly the easiest thing. But it was pretty fun to watch that live as they were doing that. We actually got to see them doing their thing live inside of Spaceship 2. It's easier to capture that video over ground than it is to capture video over water. Yes, that's true. That's why if anyone here would know, I'm pretty sure. Dada, don't worry about having to place your hand in the correct place. Somebody's already bought that. It's been auctioned for at least $5. Too soon. Too soon. Five and 10 nuggets. So $5 and 10 nuggets. Where's my nuggets? Oh, yeah. So have they officially published a price yet? Because I thought I saw somebody's $450,000. Nice. Yeah. I thought it was $250,000. It's $450,000 with the deposit. They don't tell you about the deposit, but that's a deposit. Yeah, Dada, unfortunately, there's been this problem called supply chain issues. And it's made the prices of suborbital space flights grow up. The problem is they can't supply enough flights. Yeah, well, hopefully at this point, they're going to be able to start supplying those flights. Of course, we'll have to see if they can hit the pace that they want to hit that clip that they want to with it. And then you've got to hit Pace before you go bankrupt. Yes, that's true. I'm trying so hard to not say things or mean. But Blue Origin is probably actually a team and army in the channel in the chat room literally taking the words right out of my mouth, which is what's Blue Origin's price probably a bit more expensive on that front. And I do believe that they are. Well, I'm just looking through here. I haven't got a definitive answer. But of course, the first seat that Blue Origin sold was an auction thing for charity, which sold for $28 million, which is just a little smidge more. But the observer is reporting here about a year ago that the average price will be between $200,000 and $300,000. So Virgin Galactic is certainly above that ballpark. But that's not a definitive answer from Blue Origin. But we do have as definitive as an answer as we'll get from Virgin Galactic. So yeah, it's a rough number versus a number we've actually been told. Yeah, and also two, I would imagine, different experiences as well in that. New Shepherd from Blue Origin absolutely being a true rocket ride. And then Spaceship 2 from Virgin Galactic essentially being a X-15 that can carry some extra people and payload on board. So which would you rather do? Why you got to make me decide like this, Donald? For the experience, which way of getting into sub-overtale flight do you think you would enjoy the most? Let's ignore schedule and price and the shortcomings of the companies. Which experience would you most enjoy? Spaceship 2, because that's stick and rudder. And I think that that's absolutely ridiculous and nuts. And yeah, that's wild. So I would absolutely want to experience that. Because it is the X-15 just that is capable of carrying passengers. And X-15 is the greatest plane in my mind. And I would love to have sat in on an X-15 flight. So yeah, I would go with that. How about you, Ryan? I'm going to have to say Virgin Galactic as well, just because I like the idea of a space plane more than a capsule with big windows. I feel like the shape of the vehicle as well, it's much longer than the capsule is. So I feel like as a human, you're tall, you're able to just spread out. I know there's chairs in the way, but you are able to spread out a little bit more. So I feel like that would be. You're a zero G Superman? Yeah, do your zero G Superman. Just embrace the experience a little bit more. The windows, of course, are smaller, but it also does the backflip. So you're not just stuck with one plane of Earth, right? With New Glenn and not New Shepard. You go up, you go down, but you're in that sort of capsule orientation the entire time, right? That's the only way you'll see with Virgin Galactic. Oh, no, it does a little spinny. It doesn't go upside down. With Virgin Galactic, you launch this way, and it has so much momentum going this way that it will come back over on itself to a 360 and then come back 180. And then it re-enters back this way, right? So it does the backflip. So you get to see the Earth go around you, basically, with the windows that are up top. And I feel like that viewing experience, being able to see the Earth go around you, you get to see much more of the Earth because you'll see it go around you. You can look face on with the Earth. You can't look face on with the Earth with New Shepard because if you go upside down in New Shepard, something's gone wrong. And that's not a very good thing. So that's just my, for viewing purposes and for the space purposes, that's why I prefer it. I like GTH042's answer. For safety, the plane. For fun, the rocket. Team Army Channel says I would pick Blue Origin. Jake Hegan, ¿Por qué no los dos? That's a good one. Absolutely. I mean, I'm not turning down a Blue Origin ride. If Blue Origin wants to give me a ride and Blue Origin wants to give me a ride, I'll take both. I'll take either of them. I'm not saying no, I wouldn't want to go on Blue Origin. I'm just saying that if it was my preference, like I'm not turning down Blue Origin. If you want to give me a ride, give me a ride. I'm not going to say no. I'm not paying for it. You can give it to me, but I won't say no. Yeah, Stephen Thompson here noting that New Shepard has an abort capacity, and it also goes higher. Well, to what degree does New Shepard have an abort capacity that Spaceship 2 doesn't? Spaceship 2 can drop off White Knight 2 whenever it feels like, right? So is that not an abort capacity? Because New Shepard's abort capacity is a solid rocket motor in the back. Spaceship 2 has a hybrid, nearly solid rocket motor in the back, right? What's the difference? Once you start either of them, you can't stop. So I wouldn't say that New Shepard's abort capacity is any better. I'd say Spaceship 2's abort capacity, it will definitely have a minimum altitude, because you don't want to try to glide back to the runway as soon as you've taken off. You won't have enough altitude to do that. So maybe that's the way you can say, keep saying New again. New Shepard might have better abort capacity in that sense, but they both have solid rocket motors in the back, asterisk. So the abort capacity is kind of similar if you think about it in that way. Yeah, and honestly, if I was to do a New Shepard flight, I would want them to kick that abort motor at the top for me, if they don't mind. I'd like a little bit more altitude. Your origin has specifically said in conferences that that has been requested. And they have had to officially confirm that that is not a purchasable option for New Shepard flights. So unfortunately, I guess something goes wrong. You are not going to be getting a launch escape option added onto your New Shepard flight, which is a big trend. The market exists, they've had to officially confirm it, which means the market does exist, which is brilliant. Tell me what thing I have to mess with while we're boarding, so that at the right time, we need to abort. You puncture a hole in the side of the tank of New Shepard. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let your chisel get hammered. Yeah. You know, Ryan, I feel like it's a really good point in terms of what can I see out the window? Blue origin's got the bigger windows, but at the same time, it's very much like if I'm on an airplane looking out the window, I'm often head almost like directly on the glass trying my best to look around and injuring my neck, just because I want to see certain things when I'm up there. I imagine that's what would happen. And oh, my goodness, look who's jumped. Chatroom is Jamie. Hey, Jamie, hello from Jamie there. Hi, Jamie. And now the whole chatroom is just going to be like, hey, Jamie, hi, Jamie. Forget the show. Who cares? Get it over and done real quick. Here you go. So I'm just going to say. I have the frame pulled up here from the video that Virgin Galactic released. You can see Colin Bennett's head here in comparison to the window. So you can see that the window is bigger than your average airplane window. I'd say it could be even bigger than the Dreamliner windows, because they're massive compared to normal airplane windows. But the windows on the New Sheppard's capture are definitely larger. However, your view is more constrained. You'll only get to see Earth parallel to the Earth. You will never get to see Earth perpendicular through those windows. So I guess it depends what your premises are really. Do you want the bigger window, or do you want the bigger view? So those are your two options. I'll take the bigger view. Honestly, one of the things we've always wanted to see is our house from space, or our neighborhood at least from space. LA from space would probably be absolutely, that would just bore us 100%. I don't know that you'd be able to see that from the New Mexico Desert. I don't think so either. I'm definitely not seeing it from Texas. Maybe I will. Call me up, Virgin. I'll bring some binoculars. I'll bring my telescope on the flight and see if I can make that work. Absolutely not. And Jamie chiming in saying I would fly on both. And go for it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm with you, Ryan. Whoever wants to hand me a ride, I'm not going to say no. Exactly. I wouldn't say no. I'm just saying I prefer the Virgin one. It doesn't mean I don't like the blue one. I just prefer it. I think they're both great, but I like one more than the other. Our veil had a really good point here, too, which is about spaceship two, which is that it has more space to do back flips without the abort motor in the way. It is a significantly roomier cabin compared to the New Shepherd cabin. But I wouldn't know it's all mine. That New Shepherd cabin. There is the abort motor in the way, but these flights, I'd argue that the, there you go. There's no abort motor in there. I'd argue that the point of these flights isn't for the 0G experience. That's a cool perk, Ryan. The point of these flights is for the view. You're not paying this amount of money to go 0G. You can probably pay less money to get more minutes in 0G on a vomit vomit, right? Just doing parabolas at 30,000 feet in a retired 727. You're buying these flights to look back on Earth and be granted with the magic that is the overview effect. You're not buying these flights to do somersaults. And if you are, you should just go on a 0G plane instead, because you'll get much more bang for your buck if that's what you want. So the ability to do a backflip takes the backseat, in my opinion, on the view, which is the purpose of the flights. So is going on one of these flights to perform experiment a waste? Like, should you just be with your face glued to the window? I would argue that it depends what it's been paid for. The Italian Air Force paid for this to do experiments. So that's the reason that they purchased this flight. So I guess it's kind of also not a parallel, but I'll argue it anyway. You can buy a flight because you're on a business trip, or you can buy a flight because you're on an airplane, obviously, or you can buy a flight because you're going on holiday. You're going on your summer holiday to wherever, right? You have two purposes for being on the aircraft. One of them is going to a meeting in New York or whatever, the other person's going on holiday. So I guess if you bought a Virgin Galactic Voyaging flight for scientific research, you do scientific research. If you bought it to look out the window, you look out the window. It's why you bought the flight. You use it for your purpose. This flight Galactic Zero One was paid for by the Italian Air Force Italian government to perform scientific research. So that's what they did, you know? Yeah. And there are groups that buy space on New Shepherd flights to do the exact same thing with Blue Origin, except in this case, it doesn't appear that the people are a factor in that. It appears that all of the experiments are done automatically with that. As opposed to what we saw on the Galactic One flight, which was one of the Italian Air Force folks literally going to a experiment rack and just turning things on with that. And GTH 42 saying there may be some confusion between reason and excuse. So what if you've paid for it? I don't see how it would be excuse. I'm just bringing up the video which you were talking about. As soon as the motor cuts off, you can see it if you bring it up, Dutta. As soon as the motor cuts off, this guy leaps out of his seat, runs, well, runs, floats very quickly to the back of unit. Just go, go, go, go, go, go. And then we get this floor camera, which is just incredible. This guy's just there. And he's just like, flick, flick, turn the keys. Turn the keys, launch the missiles, press the buttons. Flick, flick, flick, go, go, go. Look at this. I mean, it's just like the most Air Force thing ever. Like, look at this guy. He's just starting up all these rack-mounted experiments. And then, oh, time for feather. There are actually a few scientists, friends of mine, who are scheduled to go on Virgin Galactic flights as basically doing exactly that to monitor the, to activate, monitor, and run the experiments that are gonna be on there. And who was it? A zap pan, zap pan. Hello, zap pan, zap pan. Good to see you. As always, what is the price difference with a uncrewed sounding rocket with similar payload capacity? Well, I personally don't know that. I don't know how much, say, a typical sounding rocket, like a Black Brant 11 would end up costing you. You could definitely go to higher altitudes, which means you can get longer times in weightlessness. But sometimes you don't need, you know, 30 minutes of microgravity. Sometimes you only need a handful of minutes of microgravity. Maybe you wanna do a study of the human body reacting to microgravity in a relatively short amount of time to see about, you know, if there's a certain, certain physiological indicators that have it there that can indicate something with humans on board of a spacecraft. The headcrab actually has a super good point, which is something that typically does not happen with sounding rockets, which is bringing it back safe. Typically from sounding rockets, you don't get your payload back. It goes back, you know, goes up, and then it comes. It lands out in the ocean or in a designated area where it's supposed to smash, let's outbreak, if you will, or what would you call it for the ocean? I don't know, you get the idea. Ocean breaks. Splashes die. Yes. Yeah, and JTTV also saying sounding rockets can be hard to recover or they have time sensitive experiments that are on board of that as well. Yeah, so this is a solution to some of the problems that you may have with sounding rockets, but you know, it is also one of those things too, where it's like, yeah, you can really, I could see an argument going both ways that yes, this is a great thing, but also yes, this is excessive in terms of, but a bit of aqua breaking. Thank you with that. And Devin Devin saying you've come back on a parachute, it's not that easy. So it sounds like you should just, you know, open a 20,000 feet deploy a drogue and then at 10,000 feet pop a parachute, but it's a lot more complicated than that. Parachutes are hard. Yes, oh yeah, it turns out. Actually, we had, did we have a whole discussion about that in one of our tomorrow members only shows? After this? We were supposed to do a deep dive into parachutes and we've been putting it off. Oh, okay, well, maybe that could happen today, maybe it could happen later and that's why you should become a tomorrow member. That's right, it's a plug right in the middle of the show at youtube.com, TMRO, join what you can do right now live during the show and you can join us in the after show, the members only after show right at the after show when it ends in what, 30 or so minutes, something like that. Or if you're watching on demand, feel free to do that as well and we'll catch you soon. And as Smokey's saying, no parachutes are soft, the ground is hard, correcting you there. Okay, parachutes are difficult. So, okay, yes, they are difficult. This is how you say it, but they land in the snow where I have been. Yeah, it's still, I don't know if snow, snow is not the end all be all of soft land things. Snow is fluffy until it's fast and then it's hard. Yeah, it's just like water, you know, water's great. It's comfy and good until you like smack it at high speed. So, and then Charles Page is actually asking, are those parachutes the passengers are wearing? And if so, a bunch of question marks? No, they are seat belts. You can see here, I think it, where is it? There's a good shot of Colin Bennett getting back into his seat somewhere and then strapping up over his seat belts. Are there parachutes available? I don't think so, there you go. Let's watch Colin do his seat belt up. Go, there we go. You can see him doing it, he's struggling a bit, but that's a one, two, three, four, five point harness there. No, I think those are parachutes. Yeah, I think that they are. I think Charles is talking about the blue straps that are on his shoulders. All the blue things, not the gray ones. Yeah, the gray ones are integrated into the seat and that would keep you in place in the seat. Oh, I see, I see. I think they wear jumpsuits with parachutes strapped to them. Go to where the first guy jumps out of his seat and gets to the back. There you go. Yeah, that's a parachute all right. Yep. That's an emergency shoot. It's not a recreational parachute. I don't do skydiving for recreation. So with Blue Origin, you get the launch escape motor optional package, right? This is the extra optional package for Virgin Galactic flights. Just before you hit the runway, you get to hop out and deploy an emergency parachute. That's the optional extra. A neuro pilot saying, I'm surprised that there's no helmets. Well, the whole point is that it's supposed to be a shirt sleeve environment inside of that there. Kind of like on the space station, you know, people aren't walking around and floating around in pressure suits up there. So, it's that fancy wind parachute from space. That's a pretty good point. So, which is that, you know, I don't think those are gonna do good up at Apogee, but when you're coming back, oh, Molly Morskjell 33 says that's called doing a Gagarin. There you go. It's the Gagarin package. Give me a headcrab. But Virgin Gagarin, there you go. That's this package. Oh my gosh. This is not, this is not. Bennett saying, someone do that in principle. Yeah, Felix Pomergerger, which he fell a little bit before he opened his parachute. And who was it? Before him? Who was it, Kittridge? Joe Kittinger, yeah. Kittinger. As a part of Project Excelsior. That had done that years before. Yeah, we could talk about that during the after show. So, it's a fascinating program with it. Ooh, JTTV, that's, I suppose. That is one way to do that. So, yeah, yeah. Anyways, yeah, there you go. Virgin Galactic at a operational capacity, if you will. I feel like it's one of those sort of space shuttle things where yes, it's operational, but it's still an experimental vehicle. And it's someone pointed out. They're practicing, they're getting into it. As someone pointed out in the chat room, I don't know where it was, but they were saying just like the shuttle and the approach landing tests, it had the really big, there it goes, there it goes in my head. The long nose with the sensor. Systems in it for, I can't. The PEDO boom? Yeah, PEDO boom, thank you very much on it, much alike the shuttle during its approach landing tests. So, good old enterprise. And J.Sane, Virgin Gagarin, don't encourage brands to start another company. Very true. With that there. Yeah, so, there you go. Virgin Galactic finally kicking it up and making it happen and showing it. Oh, thank you, Team N Army Channel. Sensor boom test shockwave patterns at supersonic speeds. Thank you. I knew someone had mentioned it in the chat room and you did, thank you for that. So, the chat room is awesome. You don't have to break that for it. There's a comment from Araveil. Dutty, if you scroll it up a little bit, you'll find it. Araveil saying, I would go on a zero G plane first to get it out of my system and to get familiar to be more ready for the real thing. And that kind of progression is something that's actually happening. This guy, the guy who jumps out in the seat, he's going on axiom three. So, this kind of suborbital flight is kind of building up to going on a proper orbital flight on the dragon. So, this is an actual progression. Of course, zero G plane to Virgin Galactic is one step below Virgin Galactic to Crew Dragon. But that is still a progression which is actually happening in the real world. So, yeah, zero G plane Virgin Galactic. It's just a training. Build it, build you up to go into space. I like Zatvan, Zatvan's comment. I want to see someone surf down the atmosphere on a fairing half. Oh, that would be very scary. Oh, no, someone else could do that. I'm not, I ain't doing that. So, no, thank you. No, I've seen the videos of the plasma. No, thank you. I'm good. I'd rather see it out the window as opposed to streaming past me with centimeters of material being the only thing. Just peek your head out of the side and then decapitate yourself. Oh, no, it'll be fine. I'll get rid of the hair. So, it's a minor haircut. Truly a fade. So what we have, there's also been quite a lot going on, Ryan. I saw that United Launch Alliance has now announced that Vulcan ain't gonna be happening until at least fourth quarter 2023. So the end of this year so Q1 2024, that's what they've announced. Yeah, basically. So, and of course, when it comes to delays, welcome to Aerospace. That is what they expect, how it goes, yeah, that's it. So that's the way Aerospace works. It just kind of goes that way. Also, don't know if anybody caught it, but our friends over at Relativity Space did a pretty big test in deep throttling their Aeon on our engine. They were able to, I think slip it down to 65%, running from full thrust all the way down to 65% and then back. So, pretty cool doing that on the test stand, getting ready, making progress. As they said, Terran one looked good. The first stage did good enough that we're just gonna go ahead and skip it for the big one. So, what a gamble. I still don't know how to feel about that. I don't feel very comfortable about that. All on black. Yep, basically. So, and I mean, Fingers crossed it works. Yep, it's the way it works. So, also, I don't know if you saw something very interesting on Twitter today. Did you guys see something, the interesting thing that I saw on Twitter today? I don't know what you saw on Twitter. I haven't seen anything. It was this. Have you guys seen these folks in quite a while? So, remember these guys? Vector? Who are Vector? Yep, Vector. They're a very, they're Vector. The Vector? Vector. Yep, the Vector. I had to screenshot it just for the sake of. Well, they're not verified. So, they could be a fake Vector, Jared, you know. They've got to be on the lookout now a day. They don't have the blue tick or the gold and tick for companies. So, I don't trust this tweet. I think this could be someone pretending to be Vector, to be completely... Oh, goodness. Could never be more careful. Yeah, but there they are. They're apparently... How many times has Vector died and come back? Several times. I don't know if they've died. They've just, you know, fallen silent. And I don't have to come back, except they've just, you know, stuck a finger out of the ponds that they're drowning in, you know? Just like, what's the definition of going away and coming back? Maybe they've just decided to be silent. That is their strategy. Maybe they've decided to be Blue Origin, but, you know, even more of a Blue Origin than Blue Origin is. You know, like, seriously, there's no requirement for them to say anything. So, if they don't want to say anything, why should they? Arebill's asking, are they the ones that Photoshopped their rocket into a NASA facility? I'm not sure. So, I can't speak to that. SmokeScale says Vector hasn't died. They regenerate like a Time Lord. Oh, my gosh. Who put this as resporting? And then who put all the resporting? So... Oh, brilliant. My gosh. Our chat room, just kind of taking it and running with it there. But, yeah, that was surprising. I've seen that today. I was just like, huh? What? I thought they died. I thought they went away. You know, so that turns out, no, just doing their thing. So, it's the way it goes. Oh, Vector. Well, we knew the only a little and now they're back again for like the 4th or 5th time. I think they were gonna be launching from the East Coast, but not at the Cape or Wallops. I think it was, I want to say, somewhere in Georgia at a spaceport there. I know there is a spaceport being developed in Georgia, but I'm not sure about Vector's plans. To be honest, I've kind of forgotten because, you know, they're not not at the forefront of space-wide media, you know. I think that is a fair assessment. That's true. Yeah, they're not exactly chatting away at everybody's ears about what they're working on next. They seem to be very heads down and surprised I'm alive on a multitude of their projects that they're doing. So, Bennett is got a pretty good one there. I like that one, Bennett, which is thought you were seeing old posts because of the website problem. No, it's broken the whole time. What do you mean? Yeah, so good on that. So, we'll have to see what happens with Vector and several other small companies as well. Ryan, you got anything else to talk about with? Well, I just want to return to Vulcan real quick because there's a very interesting thing that's going on now, which this scenario has been playing out time and time again over the last couple of years, right? Starship Vulcan Zukitu, the first methane rocket to orbit. Starship, they're still working on the pads, the infrastructure, repairing it from what Booster 7 did to it. They're working on hot staging potentially. They still need to develop a vehicle that can get itself into orbit without destroying itself. Vulcan has just been delayed to Q3 of this year, probably Q3, Q4 of this year, probably Q1 2024. They still need to work out problems with sensor. Zukitu has just been delayed because of second stage issues and we don't know how long these things are going to take to resolve. So, we are in the same situation again where we don't know which vehicle is going to take the crown of the first methane rocket to reach orbit because, of course, to start off with, Starship isn't going to be going to orbit. They're going to be doing a very long, near orbital, suborbital hop. Vulcan is going to be going to orbit but they've been pushed pretty probably. Let's just say, okay, Vulcan's been pushed to the start of next year. That's most likely what's happened here. Zukitu is gunning for orbit but we don't know if, one, they'll make it or two when they'll be. So, we're in this same situation we were like two years ago. Which one is it? I don't know which one, chat room. I want to know what your order is. Is it Starship, Vulcan, Zukitu? What's your order? Jared, what do you think? Because I don't know. I don't know what's happening anymore. Do you know what's happening? I mean, it's just- I don't know what's happening anymore either. I mean, the sources I thought- So much has happened but yet we're in the exact same place that we were two years ago. It's just mind boggling. I think that the first Methilox rocket to make it to orbit will be Terran-R. That wasn't on the list. No, I think, I don't know actually. I think it's going to be Vulcan. I think Vulcan's going to do it. So, I think that Starship still has so many unknowns and especially now that even more unknowns are being thrown into the mix with it now, with the hot staging and that's going to be a challenge. Hot staging and that's going to be a challenge. I don't think people know how- That's going to be a heck of an engineering challenge and I don't think a lot of people understand it quite fully. Dada, I think you could probably speak to hot staging a lot more than I could. I don't have anything to say about hot staging but SpaceX is not one to shy away from the potential of failure in flight whereas Vulcan is a lot more risk averse and so they would be much more careful to dot their eyes and cross their T's to make sure that the flight, the first flight that they do take, is as successful as they're expecting it to be and with SpaceX not actually doing an orbital flight, I mean, could they be? Could they put themselves into an orbit that would only take what fuel they're going to use to land, to circularize and then claim orbital presence even though they don't actually do an orbit, maybe, but everything I've seen from ULA, they're careful, they're methodical and they like to do the job well done and they don't want to take undue risks whereas SpaceX is, you know, fly fast and break stuff but honestly I wouldn't put it past relativity to come up with something that's, you know, really, really close to being done by the time you might have a three horse race by the time we get to flight. Yeah, and New Glenn could just come out of nowhere. I think it was Arvail who had a pretty funny comment which is it's New Glenn with the chair. Coming out with that wrestling match. I mean, it would be the most bloorigen thing to do to just a fully assembled, you know, Block 5, New Glenn rolls out from the hangar, goes to LC 36 or whatever it is, just launches, does it perfectly first time. We've been giving nothing at all and yet just first time goes out, does it perfectly, takes the crowd, you know, it would be the most bloorigen thing to do and there's another comment here from Team Man Army saying, speaking of Starship, I believe they're getting ready to move the metal plate out tonight. Well, actually, cheeky plug right now on NSF Starbase Live. We have a deployable right outside the tent and you can see the SPMTs there with the water-cooled steel plate ready to roll. So there you go. We got the developments at the launch site are progressing with this new upward showerhead facing water-dago system that is apparently going to work. Oh boy. I have my doubts, but what's cool about that is that they're gonna test it and we're gonna find out and cool. Well, it's not my money and it's not my design, but I'm not worried, sort of. But I also do wanna just point out this is one random comment in our chatroom too from John saying I am here for once I made it live. John, congratulations on making it live. We're glad to have you aboard with us here on station 204. A lot of people saying that the hot staging is easier than the flip separation and of course it is. It seems, yeah, it's f-n-f-n there. It's f-n-f-n, you're always making these great points about things. And Secchi down below that are better at saying hot staging than we're using is gonna be a challenge, you'd think. It is gonna be a challenge. It's a bigger challenge than I think most people are thinking it's gonna be. Secchi, of course, that is very correct. The SpaceX failure isn't project-ending you've seen that time and time again from SpaceX. That's one of the amazing things about them is that they're quite literally like Teflon. You can't stick failure to them. It's amazing that they're capable of doing that. And when you have the right people in the right place at the right time with the right motivation, it kinda helps. And the right money. And the right money. Yeah, well, you know. You have to be, you have to, no, no, seriously, you have to have deep pockets to be able to fail often. If you fail and you lose your funding. Yeah, I know, I know. We're sorry. But if you have deep pockets, then you can continually fail. It's just a very expensive game to play. Yeah. Yeah, it turns out, as the old saying says, you wanna know how to become a millionaire in spaceflight, start out as a billionaire. Trillionaire? I don't know if we're at that point yet. So I don't know if we're ever gonna, I think you gotta offload Twitter before you come to that point. Add the cash to what's been spent. I bet you'd be there. I think SpaceX, if I saw correctly on some of my sources before jumping on today, I don't wanna speak to it this week because I just saw, I glanced at it. But I think SpaceX is going for another valuation, another capital round, if you will. And it's looking for big bucks out of that one. So I think I saw 150 billion thrown around as one of those. And GTA-32. I mean, Elon said in the Twitter space he did with Ashley Vance the other day, which didn't end too well. But at least the information we got from the space was that SpaceX have spent approximately two to three billion dollars on the Starship program alone. Just Starship. Nothing else, not any of the other services that the company can provide, or manufacturers, or stock, or talent. Just developing Starship is two to three billion. Yes, it's a big vehicle, but it's not the only thing that they do. Yeah, it's, aerospace is expensive. It's a high fact. There's no way to get around it. In case you didn't know. Although that's like a year of SLS. Yes, the one SLS, right. Yeah, and a Superball is very correctly saying Aries 1X never had budget problems. That's correct. I mean, Constellation did get canceled. So I'd argue that at the end it did, but at least when it flew it didn't. Just another classic Aries 1X massive win over Starship. This is why Aries 1X, Aries 1 in general is the superior vehicle to Starship. It flew higher on its maiden flight test. They were both vehicles intending to do suborbital flights. The first stage worked perfectly. There were no engine outages. Aries 1X is the far superior vehicle for those reasons alone, that it is better than Starship. They are pure facts. They are pure facts. You cannot dispute them. It flew higher than Starship. It had 100%, 100% engine workings. We didn't lose any engines like Starship did. Booster 7 is weak compared to the phone five segment solid rocket booster that was on Aries 1X. Okay, it's just these are pure facts that are undisputed. You cannot argue with them. Okay, it's just the most crucial factors for getting into space is altitude, velocity, and for both of them, you need engines. And Aries 1X worked perfectly. And you cannot deny it. You just cannot deny it. Ryan, do you see how high Station 204 is in orbit? Yeah. You see? We need to be this high in order to see the size of the W that you have today. Anyways, I think that might be a good spot to end the show at today, since we have now annoyed the chat room officially with that there. So thank you, of course, for watching tomorrow today or on demand, however you do watch it. And of course, we wanna thank all of our members of tomorrow, which if you would like to become a member of tomorrow, you can head on over to youtube.com slash tmro slash join. I believe in the members show, I'm gonna talk a little bit about the discovery of the gravitational wave background. And that is because I didn't get to talk about it during the show today. And I wanna kind of talk about it in more detail. So I'll talk about it in more detail in the public show next week. But I will also talk about it in detail in our members only show that we're about to switch over to right now. 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