 Ravens kind of have a big game coming up against the Bengals this Sunday And it is a must-win game for Baltimore Because right now the way the standings are set up. They find themselves on the outside looking in But to talk about this game to talk about the different aspect the different viewpoint of the Cincinnati Bengals I had to bring in an expert because I'm certainly no expert on the Cincinnati Bengals I mean I'm no expert on anything really so shout out to our special guests who we have coming on and let's hear what he Has to say his viewpoint his perspective on this bingles Ravens matchup So you two team keep it clean got a very special guest in the building To talk about this upcoming bingles game this Sunday It's my guy Anthony from the orange and black inside of bingles podcast Appreciate you joining us today. How you doing? I'm good man a little starstruck being on your being on your channel here. You are you are the man I appreciate you having me on though. This is a big one to talk about big game to talk about so I'm doing all right man. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. I appreciate you asking and Little concerned because today we're recording this on Thursday Thursday afternoon And it just came out again that Lamar Jackson did not practice, but um, we will we'll talk about that shortly first Where can everybody find you at Twitter? YouTube Podcasts websites all that good stuff I'm on Twitter at CJ Anthony CUI I am one of the hosts of the orange and black in center bangles podcast as you mentioned That's on Twitter at bangles obi. It's on Available on all audio platforms iTunes stitchers Spotify Google All I heart radio all that stuff and then we've got a YouTube channel as well So all that stuff and then it's housed on sincey jungle calm, which is part of the espionation sports blog network All right, cool. Appreciate you letting everybody know how often do you post how often do you get videos and everything like that? Yeah, so we do In season we're doing something almost kind of every day of the week It's it's you know We got kind of a headlines around the league type of show We've got our own kind of deep dive analysis show midweek We do some fantasy football stuff some post game stuff. So You know, we're bringing we're bringing stuff throughout the throughout the regular season a lot of days during the week And then, you know draft season we're doing draft profiles prospect profiles all kinds of different stuff as well So kind of trying to keep it fresh doing different stuff. Yeah, I feel you now. How did you become a bangles fan? Well, I became a bangles fan because of my older brother And when when he was I'm probably dating myself here But when he was a little bit of a young guy the bangles went to a couple Super Bowls in the 1980s He got into him. He had no previous affiliation. We're from Southern California. So we're not from the Cincinnati area We're not from Ohio and he liked the helmets. He liked that they were good at the time and Guy got me into him because he had a little brother And then he's like I'm gonna I'm gonna feed the obsession with this guy And then he actually was the one who encouraged me to start doing kind of some writing and podcasting and stuff Yeah, yeah, so that was kind of the the deal and then that now podcast and writing just takes it to a whole nother level But that's that's another story for another time. I guess Okay, and now what has been your absolute favorite moment as a bangles fan? Oh Man, there's so many heartbreaking moments. It's hard to pick out a good one, you know, um, I Will say my favorite moment of a man as being a bangles fan 2015 was it was a pretty pretty fun season I will say though going back to 2005 when the bangles really seemed to kind of arrive under Marvin Lewis And they were winning games and Carson Palmer looked like the real deal and at that point it had been such a long stretch That since they were even competitive So I mean 2003 they had a decent year and then 2005 was just a really really fun year It's hard to pick out a singular moment there But the 2005 season for me was just kind of like hey This is this is probably gonna be the start of something special and it sort of was for a little bit But a little bit short-lived unfortunately Yeah, it happens now with no pressure I know you couldn't quite pick an exact greatest moment as a bingles fan, but who has been your favorite bingles player You know, I'll go first. Okay. Oh Joe single Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's a biggie, you know, I really even though I caught my watching football watching Time caught the latter part of his career. I really really like and respect Anthony Munoz That's a pretty easy answer the team's only Hall of Fame player But he's been on my show a couple times and he does a lot of stuff in the community and He still kind of does all kinds of different stuff revolving around the team and even when they were terrible He was always a good You know kind of Diplomat for the team, I guess if you will and so yeah, I mean that was and of course my name is Anthony So, you know, there's So, I mean, I guess I would say easy answer Anthony Munoz. I mean Chad's in there for sure You know, there are a few others kind of more obscure references of players, but yeah, I'll go easy on that one Cool. So this game Ravens bingles, of course last time we played the ring bingles absolutely just Demolished us at our own crib too So how are you feeling about the bingles heading into this game with the Ravens? I Have a lot of mixed emotions I mean, there's a side of me where I feel pretty confident because of what happened in the first game I feel pretty confident because the Ravens have such a battered roster at this point for a variety of reasons injuries or coven Whatever So I mean and right now The bangles have been up and down but they're coming off of a win a tough game in Denver And so, you know, they've been a streaky team So you like to think maybe they're kind of catching one of their hot streaks at the end of the year Maybe they match up well against Baltimore, but I've said this before When does Baltimore lose four games in a row? never never and so I You know, I trust, you know, I like the direction that the bangles are headed as an organization I like what the management has done over the past couple of seasons not only in free agency But really kind of upping the fan experience and doing the things that normal organizations do But right now if you kind of look at kind of maybe it's me being a cynical bangles guy that have watched There's watched too much bangles football But for me, you know, what organization do you trust more what organization has a better track record of success? What what team usually shows up a little bit more in bigger games that usually is the Ravens that being said The bangles have brought in a lot of guys to try and change that culture and have started to do so And I thought that starts with Joe Burrow and some of the free agency acquisitions. So mixed bag for me on this one Understood now Pro Bowl the the official Pro Bowl and now Ross as they came out And I didn't see Joe Burrow's name. How do you feel about that? You know on on a lot a lot of levels. I was a little disappointed I feel like he was a guy that is deserving And I feel That he's getting slighted a bit in a number of different ways I think he's not really being talked about his comeback player of the year I think he's not really being talked about as a potential MVP candidate and of course He's he's an alternate as a pro bowler, but I mean, it's okay. Well, thanks, but I So, you know, I mean it's I feel like there's a little bit of a snub there going on with him And there are three games to play out if this team gets into the postseason I think maybe that chatter will pick up a little bit more But Joe Burrow is the heart and soul of this team and and you know, I know Jamar Chase has brought a nice dimension The defense is playing a lot better than it has been but Joe Burrow this team really rallies around him I wish he would have gotten a little more recognition, but that's also Joe Burrow, right? I mean, he's the guy if you can look back to his college career He was slighted at Ohio State and he moved and transferred LSU didn't have the greatest first year as a starter at LSU then goes and breaks records Then he's the Heisman guy and he gets hurt as it first year's pro Is he gonna come back and play well and lo and behold he does so it's kind of for me It's it's it stinks that he doesn't get the recognition But that Joe Burrow constantly has a chip on his shoulder and I think this just builds it more and more he and Just to kind of play devil's advocate from the bangleside of things I also he is up there in the league leaders and interceptions So, I mean, I understand that as well that that may play against him in terms of Pro Bowl voting, but Yeah, I mean, I don't know because Lamar he has I believe 13 interceptions and Yeah, he got in there. Yeah Yeah, I always talk about with the Pro Bowl. It's fun It's fun when you see some of your favorite players get voted in And then you see some players that are deserving that don't get in But it definitely is a popularity contest for sure But it also does talk about it does speak volumes to the respect that because it's not just all about the fan voting It's also about players and coaches too and it talks about the respect that They have for the players that they vote into the Pro Bowl It's not definitely not the indoor be all just because somebody makes or doesn't make the Pro Bowl It doesn't mean okay Well, this this person is certified now since they made it or this person is not certified now since they didn't make it But it's just just a fun little conversation For us to have as people that watch and for NFL to have for people who watch now Joe Burrow this season He's been doing this thing y'all are sitting at eight and six right now What has been sort of the biggest difference From and I know we only got the sample size last year But what has been one of the biggest differences from Joe Burrow that you saw last year compared to the Joe Burrow right here right now the deep ball the deep ball and The and it's not just you know deep or passes that are short passes that turn into yards after catch There is a lot of air yards Joe Burrow is I believe he's tops in the NFL in terms of you know Long ball passing this year and so that was a big criticism as a rookie Does he have the arm strength can he push the ball down the field? Well, in fact, they just needed a different dimension to their offense and Jamar chase and it was it's not just chased He Higgins is catching a few deep balls here and there so is Tyler Boyd CJ Osama is making some big plays So I mean there are a number of different weapons that he has used and really has brought about a deeper passing attack with It does come increased chances that he's taken and with that comes the interceptions that I mentioned before but It also comes with the big plays and it comes with some big wins and some big near wins When you look at the Green Bay game that they lost in overtime and all kinds of different things So you know that to me is the biggest difference in Joe Burrow is a guy where He has been making some mistakes in terms of forcing passes or you know Maybe taking a shot downfield where it may not be there But he just wants to pop the big play, but he's a guy that doesn't make the same mistake twice So it's very rare that you see him commit stupid throws or You know, hey that that's bad play and that one repeats itself a couple of games later He really tries to learn from his mistakes and learns from learns from his successes as well And I think that's what makes him a budding star in the league And and that's definitely a good thing when I'm in a quarterback, especially so young they can learn so much Now you talked about with him the deep ball improving and it's led to some big wins and also some big almost wins and that just reminded me of Raven saying that became very popular in 2019 and that was big trust now There's been a certain bingo player Who who mocked that last time the bingos came beat down the Ravens? That being Mr. Eli Apple and Eli he was on Twitter and he's been going back and forth with Raven's fans and And he even said that he's looking forward to Lamar Jackson being generous in This game even though right now it's not looking like Lamar Jackson's even gonna play But do you feel like Eli Apple? You feel like he sort of put not even necessarily an extra target on his back But he he's given the Ravens any extra motivation with the trash talk Potentially potentially, but I think If you look back at Eli Apple and his not only his career as a whole and the guy was a mid middle of a first round Pick pretty high-pick pretty big disappointment in most of his career He's actually playing is what I feel is his best football with the Bengals this year Started off on a really bad foot the first month or so of the year The defense was playing really well and if you looked at kind of how the defense was playing He was kind of the highlighted weak link of the defense But he was also put in a position where he wasn't supposed to be a starting cornerback for this team He was supposed to be about fourth or fifth down the depth chart and you know now you look at it And he's put into a starting role because Trey Waynes has been out Who is a starting boundary corner and Chidobi? Woosie has been in and out of the lineup. So he's had to be Had to take on a bigger role than initially expected had some real tough times at the beginning of it and then you know middle of the season started hitting a stride a little bit and Start playing better down the stretch. You know, he he talked about last week when he went up against Denver And he was partially responsible and covering Jerry Judy who was blanked on the stat sheet So and he let people know about it. So, you know, he's he's kind of feeling it. He's kind of Talking and and I think he feels that he's playing some of his best football There are people that probably don't like it from the Raven side from the Bangal side. I understand that But the bottom line is if he's gonna put that out there he needs he needs to play well and He's been playing well of late, but you know And things can change week to week and like you said if there is a target on his back That's a guy that they, you know, if there is a play that is made on him That will be made known for sure. Oh, yeah, it certainly will be because it sort of reminds me of um I believe his name was Jermaine Pratt. Yep from from last year. Yeah, that didn't quite work out so well But hey, that's why the game got to be played man. We got to see what what goes down, right? Um now Speaking of bingles defense last year You all had a an excellent up-and-coming defensive in slash outside lying back I'm not sure exactly which position he was on edge. I just say that to be safe Carl Lawson And it was looking like the bingles they may hold on to him I know a lot of bingles fans wanted to hold on to him, but he ended up going to I think the New York Jets I believe And unfortunately he ended up tan his ACL want to say yeah either that or it's Achilles or something Pretty bad. Yeah, so that ended his season, but um on the flip side the bingles signed a guy from the New Orleans Saints Trayy Hendrickson and he has absolutely been killing it How has he looked to you and what has he done for this bingles defense this year? dominant effort effort effort and this was a guy that when bingles fans saw Carl Lawson go bye-bye because of a Little bit of a disagreement on guaranteed money and the bangles went right away at Tray Hendrickson. They bangles fans Were freaking out in a negative way. They thought that this was a terrible move Tray Hendrickson had a lot of sacks last year, but a lot of folks looked at it and said This was a guy that had a lot of cleanup sacks Coverage sacks wasn't really a guy who had a lot of moves and was kind of the benefactor of other players around him Essentially, that's why his stats were so gaudy last Last year and he has come in here and shut everyone up He is among the league leaders and pressures. He is among the league leaders and sacks He got a Pro Bowl nod rightfully So he set a franchise record for a sack or at least a half sack in 10 straight games And he's he's just playing outstanding and he's a guy who's a movable piece a little bit They move him around a tiny bit, but he he actually what they've done is they've I every time I look at the snap counts throughout the week I'm thinking he's gonna be upwards of 90 to 100 percent of the snaps and it's more like in the high 60s into the 70s Maybe close to 80 percent. They actually just do a lot of different things up front. Let him play fresh. Let him stay fresh and basically Maximize his snaps and and it allows him to create pressures. I mean it's I Haven't seen a bangles defensive end play that well in a really long time And so he's a guy that has been a big force for them But it's also been some of the additions they made in free agency over the past two off seasons in the interior of the defensive line So they're playing really well and then all of that leads to Sam Hubbard the other edge player Have it who's who's a nice a nice supplemental piece And and he's playing some of the best football. I've seen him play So the defensive line is a big reason why I mean it's Joe Burrow It's Jamar Chase, but this defensive line is really a big reason why they're playing well this year Yeah, for sure. I just remember them wrecking Raven's game last time And I can't believe I forgot about that name Sam Hubbard, but thank you for the friendly reminder Now stay staying on the defensive side speaking of trays Trey Wayne How has be how has he been at cornerback for the Bengals this year when he's played Well when he's played is the is the operative phrase there. Yeah, I mean it's like it's been barely at all this this Unfortunately for all the stuff we can talk about Trey hundreds and great free agency signing Larry Ogan Joe be great free agency So, you know all these guys you look at Wayne's who was signed last year in the contract He signed and even at the time before he took a snap for the team everybody was like you sure about that You sure you want to pay that guy that much money And so but they felt that they made a good signing and it was gonna be an upgrade Even if a marginal one from Drake Kirk Patrick and others that they had on the team and unfortunately just injuries He's been a pretty healthy guy at least he was on the Vikings And you know when he came to Cincinnati all of a sudden he can't get on the field and so Hasn't played well when he's been out there. He was he led up a big play I believe it was to LaVisca Chanel in the Thursday night game in week four against the Jaguars That was like his first game back and then was kind of didn't do much of anything of note against Green Bay Then he went on IR again just came back last week and And then this week against Denver He had a miss tackle for loss that ended up netting a lot of yards and you know another another play where he kind of got Pushed around a little bit on a touchdown to Tim Patrick. So It hasn't been good when Trey Wings is in there He'll probably they'll probably ease him back into the lineup a little bit to see how it goes He's an important piece and he needs to play well for this team going forward But it doesn't look good when he's been in there at least this year so Speaking of secondaries with flip-flop to the Raven secondary because They've obviously been without Marcus Peters for the whole year, but Marlon Humphrey. He's also out for the year They lost their starting free safety to Sean Elliott for the year Chuck Clark He could play in this game if he comes off the covert listen time But basically the the Raven secondary it is physically in shambles Tavon young they're starting slot corner. He has been dealing with a concussion. So we'll see if he plays But with your big three, I mean you throw in a zoomer in there, too No, I know I said his last name wrong. How do you pronounce his last name again the tight end? He's armor. I think I'm a there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay So you throw him in there. It could be a big four, but going against the secondary Chase boy Higgins How can they take advantage of just this beat-up Raven secondary What are some things that they need to keep doing as a unit or one of some things that they may need to improve on? To really maximize the most of this opportunity There are a lot of different things you can you can look at here. I think The bangles need to get into a rhythm Early and they have been notoriously sluggish Even in games where they pulled away the Ravens game the Steelers games all the you know those were tight games for a while and those were games that the bangles really weren't making a lot of Moves early in the game the thing here's here's what I would like to see if you're the bangles offense I think they need a little bit of some semblance of offensive balance where they're able to get some timely runs from Joe Mixon and company there, but I do think they need to exploit some of the injuries that that the Ravens had unfortunately I The name escapes me of the cornerback who was covering T. Higgins in the first game from Baltimore, but the first couple of quarters You know Anthony Avery probably yes. Thank you. Anthony Avery. Yes He played very I was pretty impressed at what he was doing against T. Higgins early in that game and so T. Higgins has since really emerged he had three straight 100 yard games out of the bye week and has played pretty well So, you know, I think he needs to have a bounce back game of sorts based on what happened the first time in that game And of course, there's going to be attention paid to chase I'm sure but you know being able to just kind of keep the Baltimore Ravens defense guessing a little bit Offensive balance being able to get some semblance of a run game going spreading the ball around a little bit getting getting up early on the on the team and then there's one thing that The Bengals were doing early in the season that they aren't doing as well this this time of year That's getting points on that last possession right before halftime And then if you're receiving the ball right out of halftime getting points again And so kind of sandwiching drives around halftime We were able to get points and the points again and that just really puts a team in a corner Those are just a few of the facets on offense. I think that are that are key Okay, and as we wrap this up Give me one thing from each team that they will need to take advantage of in order to get the win Hold something that the Bengals would need to take advantage of and what would be something that the Ravens could take advantage of to get a win Over the Bengals. I don't know for the Bengals. I don't know if it's taking advantage of a certain situation I will say that the Bengals, you know for all the things I'm talking about that they need to execute on offense The bottom line is that offensive line needs to hold up They need they need to they need to not let burrow get three sacked three to five times and not get hit a bunch of times And pressured a bunch of times. They need to keep that at a minimum I believe that was the case in the first first game there and Because with those hits sometimes burrow puts it on himself by running into pressure or kind of playing backyard football a little bit But when that happens there tends to be the sack fumble there tends to be all that kind of stuff So the offensive line just needs to hold up and be able to create opportunities for that balanced attack on offense and for the Ravens I think it's just kind of the the the opposite of that. They need to be able to get some kind of play on defense that that gives them With with all the absences gives them some hope a big play an interception for a touchdown a fumble recovery or Something where they can say, you know what we can we can still be in this game We can still win this game despite all the absences that may be going on on the roster Get those big plays on defense that have been such a trademark of so many different Baltimore Ravens teams over the years If they're able to do that, I think I think it's Then it's gonna be an interesting and close close game. So those are those are a couple of facets there again I don't know if it's necessarily taking advantage, but Those are a couple areas that I think Want to work on. Yeah Cool. Well, I appreciate you coming on. Thank you for joining us and We'll see how this thing goes one more time before you get out of here Let everybody know what they can find you it all the stuffs on sincey jungle calm part of the espionation network Orange and black insider bangles podcast that's on YouTube and on on all major audio streamers I'm on Twitter at CJ Anthony CUI To a show Twitter's at bangles obi and thank you for having me on I've been a fan of what you do for a really long time Seriously, I admire what you do in your channel and Appreciate how you've been a good friend to our show as well. So thanks for having me appreciate it Oh, no, no problem. No problem at all. Appreciate you having on in may the best team Like I made it