 This is game chat one episode a hundred and twenty three Ken valve evolve Welcome to the show Now here's your host born on the call with all the gaming news of this week By the way, that's me Greetings folks and welcome to episode a hundred and twenty three of game chat one. We got a great show lined up for you today It's June 6 2018 and we're closely We're getting very close into the summer months and Having to turn off some lights man get in here start recording start doing live streams and stuff And you got these these booming lights have these lights, you know what the umbrellas behind them that do reflective light and Man, I just you can easily tell when it's about to get hot because you turn the lights on for whatever reason and then all of a sudden That sweat starts to trickle down But the good thing about audios that I can do this in the dark if I want to and you won't even know I Could be recording this in my closet right now and my in my closet. Anyway enough silliness We got a great show lined up for you. We got about I don't know about four to maybe five stories It was a pretty action-packed week in terms of news lots of controversial things lots of people getting upset about whatever But I tried to cherry-pick some of the ones that I think would be relevant to you guys and to me So let's get right into it If our first story we're gonna talk about evolve evolve is a multiplayer or co-op multiplayer game That came out a few years ago to a lot of controversy. You guys may remember it It was kind of a unique take on on this type of genre Some people were reminded of of Left 4 Dead because it wasn't a particular even match With the with the multiplayer and the PvP, you know with multi with We're left for dead usually like four people, you know versus a few zombies and some some PvE as well Some PvP mixed well evolve had a 1v4 formula where you one person was a monster And the other four people were just hunters with different types of tracking abilities and whatnot so it had a lot of hype had a lot of a media hype twitch hype YouTube hype and Had a really big big big pre-order kind of a controversy because they had some really pricey packages and Their their motto wasn't the best And it really didn't live up to the name of the game and it ended up being a stain on the game But they they kind of had a rebirth kind of had a Repackaging of the game and they went free to play sad to say today that evolve is planning to shut their doors as of September 3rd 2018 Dedicated servers will shut down and evolve stage two which is the free to play relaunch will no longer be available And the in-game store Will be available, but the good news is that you'll still be able to play evolve But you'll have to do it through legacy evolve Which doesn't involve dedicated servers, but will involve peer-to-peer networking So if you're really into the game and you really love it, you'll still be able to play it It won't be completely dead Which is you know kind of a rare thing these days were free to play games I was kind of surprised when I when I first saw the headliner They were shutting down I thought that was it Because that's one of the problems with a free to play type of a title as soon as they go under all everything you've invested It's gone Which is why a lot of people don't like to invest their time and money into free to play titles because Everything could go away tomorrow and there's nothing you could do about it But the good news is that evolve is going to continue to live on through legacy evolve if you continue You want to continue to play And this is a sad story because I had high hopes for this game It was a bold move to go for this type of a of a PVP type of a setup and I'm sad to see them go So if you're on console to access legacy evolve you have to launch the game Normally and on PC you have to go to a specific link to get a special version of the game Now put the link in the show description to the support article which talks about this It includes everything from quick play hunts nests rescue defend and arena evacuation and custom games and The single player solo versus AI will always always be there as well So it's not going to be completely gone But the dedicated servers are going to be going away Which is kind of sad which means the game is probably not going to get a lot of support from from 2k from here on out Check it out guys over on support.2k.com to get the details evolve is going away. They're dedicated servers But evolve will survive with the legacy involve client and for next story. We're going to talk about Diablo Hmm the blizzard action RPG of old that a lot of us grew up with and this was our first foray into the genre a Lot of us were in school a lot of us probably almost flunked out of college not saying any names Playing this game a little bit too much, but today we're going to talk about Diablo and A new job opening that was posted by blizzard for a I quote an unannounced Diablo part project Hmm So a lot of people's wheels started turning like what in the world could this possibly be? Yeah, I don't know. This is what it says. It says we need you. We're working on a new unannounced Diablo project Are you a skilled dungeon artists? Come work with us and together we will build something exceptional our team of talented developers is growing blah, blah, blah Come join us. So it's kind of a posting to recruit potential developers Namely a dungeon artist for an unannounced project. So immediately people's minds went to a new expansion or You know for the really really optimistic people out there Diablo for Yes, finally Diablo for we need a dungeon artist for Diablo for I don't know man It sounds like to me is going to be just a It's going to be an expansion or it could be a new spin-off title from Diablo and I think the latter would probably be the better choice. I wouldn't call it Diablo though I wouldn't I mean I wouldn't call it Diablo for I would call it something like I don't know Diablo Battle Royale. Oh, I couldn't resist. I couldn't I could not resist Oh That felt good. Anyway, it probably will be a Some sort of an expansion or it I really don't think it's gonna be a Diablo for I think it's probably gonna be that expansion What they're gonna put an expansion. I don't know. I just hope they don't do the same thing that they did before You guys remember with the necromancer and they charged for a necromancer class and some slight changes That was a that that was a really really weak expansion and I didn't buy it for the first time in a long time I didn't buy anything Diablo related from Blizzard because I felt like that was just really really weak and I really think Blizzard can do better So hopefully this new title is a little bit better check it out guys over on careers.blizzard.com They got the details about a new job posting for a dungeon artist for an unannounced project in Diablo and for our next story we're gonna talk about valve and valve has put out a A new post on their blog talking about their store and what's allowed and what's not allowed And it's been a big big controversy over the past few weeks because they've been blocking a lot of these visual novel games that are very very mature in nature and A lot of people feel like they shouldn't block it because it seems to be what they are calling in their own words a double standard Because really really violent games are allowed on steam now. This is definitely a cultural thing Because some cultures see nudity and sexuality as really really bad things in other countries and other cultures see They see violence as a really really bad thing So what steam is trying to do is they're trying to meet them in the middle and apparently they're failing this article Kind of kind of seems like they're giving up. They're just throwing up their hands. They go Well, we're just gonna allow everything to give you filters We're just gonna allow anything on the steam store. That's not what they call trolley or malicious That's purposefully, you know trolley or a malicious like, you know high school shooting games. Definitely not gonna make it in Maybe I don't know maybe I mean This is a very very gray area if they're gonna treat us such because I don't know I got my opinion on this But let me let me talk about what they're going to do They said that that they're going to Like who gets on the steam store I mean, let me go to blog posts itself because I have an article from venture beat calm It says recently there has been a bunch of community discussion around what kind of games We're allowing on the steam store as is often the case the discussion Cause us to spend some time examining what we're doing while we're doing it and so on and so forth contrary to many assumptions This isn't the space we've automated Humans at Valve are very involved with groups of people looking at contents of every controversial title submitted to us Similarly, people have falsely assumed these decisions are heavily affected by our payment processors or outside interest groups Nope, it's just us grappling with a really hard problem So the challenge is that this problem is not simply about whether or not steam store should contain games with adult or violent content Instead, it's about whether the store contains games with an entire range of controversial topics politics sexuality racism gender Violence identity and so on in addition. There's a concert There are controversial topics that are particular to games like what even constitutes a game What level of quality is appropriate for something before something can be released so they go on and on about their thought process and what they're actually going to do and You know, their plans are they are going to essentially allow anything They don't want to decide what goes on the store what they want to do is they want to they want to have a light hand on it This is how I'm interpreting what they're saying. They just want to have a light hand to just say, okay we don't want the extreme cases and We we're not going to do anything we're gonna allow you to mark things as Invalid or stuff you don't want to see and the community will curate it for us Okay, that's my understanding of and if I apologize if I misinterpreted this or I missed a valid point now Here comes my opinion If you own a store in any form whether it be brick and mortar whether it be on the internet I Really think you should take responsibility for what's inside. Hmm. I don't think the excuse of And you know YouTube and Google has done this as well the excuse of the mass volume Being too much is a valid one I think steam has grown from from smaller roots and and Frankly the steam store. I think they've outgrown themselves And I think that's no longer an excuse to take a complete hands off You've got to take responsibility now Here's the thing about taking responsibility in this space and anybody can tell you this whether it be Amazon Walmart comm Whether it be new egg commy be anybody that that actually runs a store Somebody's gonna be upset No matter what you do whatever action you take whatever item you omit for whatever reason somebody's going to be upset and I think the problem here is that valve is trying to please everybody in the gaming world Which is impossible? You can't please everybody in this space You can't please anybody in a lot of other spaces, too. I mean, I'm just both focusing on gaming right now But you can't please everybody at some point You're going to have to take a stand and you're going to have to say this is what we allow This is what we don't allow if someone or some group comes at you and Complains a lot about that didn't oh well Go shop somewhere else That is that is to me part of doing business and if you disagree with that stand simply don't use steam Bar none what I don't like about this is that this seems to be an easy lazy approach out It's an easier way. It's an easy way out. They don't have to deal with anybody They and valve does this a lot. I mean, there's a lot of other things they do where they just go, okay, whatever You guys handle it. This is a community run thing. You know, it's they're very hands-off when they moderate and do stuff They don't they don't step in very often So with that said, I honestly believe that this is a mistake. This is a mistake This is going to this is what's going to happen, right? This is this is one of predicting what's going to happen Um The lines that they cross the lines that they've drawn now so things that they consider malicious things that they consider trolley things that um That they consider to be you know inappropriate for the store no matter what eventually I don't know when eventually You know Society is going to deem those things not as bad as they are today If you look at the last 10 years It doesn't you don't have to go back that far if you look at the last 10 years and things what which are not acceptable today Which were acceptable 10 years ago. It'll blow your mind So what's going to happen is that they're going to have to recant on things that they banned before And they're going to expand their line again and they're going to expand what they want in the store to include things that previously weren't allowed Because society will change and people will want different things as time goes on Now again, this is why I believe if you're going to run a store you need to draw a line and you need to stick with it You just need to stick with it and just say this is what we sell This is this is not the type of thing we sell And if you can't if you don't have to backbone to back that up you're going to be you're going to be faced with a constant problem Because right now I think really they're they're putting themselves in the position To be in a lot of trouble You don't put things in the hands of gamers They play games. They're going to find ways around it and they're going to game the system It's a sad but true fact. There's going to be people out there. They're going to put they're going to maliciously and purposely Find loopholes in the system to get something through That's not necessarily troll But not necessarily too violent, but not necessarily too sexual This is what happens if you've been on twitch for five minutes, you know how these people do this stuff They're going to find that gray area and they're going to sit back and giggle Because they can't nail them on a specific rule set to say oh, okay Well, since it's not too violent, you can leave it. Okay, since it's not too sexual, you know But there's going to be all types of things in there That's going to get through that. Uh, frankly, I don't think should be on the steam store Now this leads me to another point. I don't get to decide that I don't get to decide what goes on their store. My thing is that if you run a store You really should take a stance and curate the items on your store What does it sound like you running a stand or a store or some kind of a thing and You just don't care what goes in it as long as it's not malicious And then you tell people well, if it offends you don't look at it Well, if that's something you don't want to see then tell us but we're still going to sell it You know what? I I guess that's 2018 for you Is that people simply can't take a stand on any type in particular topic? They did just allow anything to happen as long as it doesn't affect them personally And that to me is a spaghetti backbone that you you have no kind of stands You're basically lukewarm water at this point. You're not hot. You're not cold You're basically lukewarm water that you if you try to drink you're just going to spit it out because you just can't stand for anything You just allow everything to happen So people like amazon people like warlmark.com people like other stores. They have limits They do they don't they don't sell everything And they do it for a reason And they set hard limits you go to that store. You know what you're going to get and you know what you're not Going to get steam. Let me tell you you got gog.com You got even apple just announced an app store where they're going to sell games Window store is coming along origin is getting a lot better. Ubisoft is making a store You're not king forever steam If you start on loud right now steam has so much so much garbage on it right now That is hard to find anything worthwhile unless somebody tells you about it Let's be real here if somebody doesn't tell you about a game Discovering a new game on steam today is these days is almost impossible Because of all the crap and sewage you have to wade through When they got rid of green light, I was like, oh my goodness And you know, that was that was like one of the first signs that new things were going down, you know Because they felt that green light was was not fair blah blah blah And all these other reasons because again, they're trying to please everybody They're not standing up for what they want to believe in as a company if they believe in anything And now they're just going to allow they're going to open the floodgates even more And what you're going to have is three times as many games being released yearly on steam That you don't even begin to care about That way finding and curation and determining what games are out there are going to be nearly impossible And what's going to happen is that you're going to find games on another platform because origin is expanding I'm pretty sure ubisoft is planning to expand All these other stores are planning to expand and they're going to have very carefully crafted curated stores With quote-unquote high quality games. Let's be real here. There are high quality and low quality games I recognize that indie games don't always look the best, but they're still high quality games You're going to find other stores out there that have higher quality games And they're going to be easier to find on others and other places. I mean look at humble I mean pretty soon a lot of these games aren't going to they're not going to require a steam key anymore You can be like what it's not on steam. Yeah, because steam's a piling mess of crap So I really think valve is making a mistake. I think they need to ramp it up They need to do whatever they need to do to fix this instead of just giving up Because that's what it sounds like they're doing They're they're they're saying there's so many controversial things out there that we can't possibly handle them all So we're just going to give up and we're going to allow you to filter it, which is a big big mistake a huge mistake I really think you should take ownership of your store steam and you should really curate it yourself You need to have some rules in place And you need to stick by them No, just do it don't I don't know if they're afraid of just The people getting upset. I don't know what what the fear is here. This this seems like an act of fear almost It's like we don't want this to happen. So we're just not going to do anything um But yes, what that said they are going to have like I said, they're going to have a light-handed approval process now What this new system is not going to be is not going to be very strict Okay, it's more going to be along the lines is is this a virus or just a game developer just trolling us But if you look at the games that are coming out today to me A big percentage of those games seem like troll games right now So if they're going to do that then they really got to clean up what they're doing right now So anyway I have no faith in finding anything on the steam store Even less so I just my faith has gone down I'm going to have to find out about a game title via a story or Somewhere else and they're going to have to point me to a steam page. Otherwise. I'm not going to be able to discover it because of the massive amounts of garbage that's going to come flowing into this already oversaturated store So check the story out guys. This is a heavily opinionated topic I really think they shouldn't do this. Let me know what you think in the comments of this of this particular podcast Let me know what you think because I know there's going to be some out there who disagrees with me But you know, that's the nature of these things. Not everybody's going to agree and you can't please everybody That's my point in the nutshell. Check it out guys. I got the article. I got the link to uh, I believe it's on the verge Yeah, no, it's on the venture beat on venture beat.com which links to the steam blog post. Check it out And for our final story, we're going to talk about path of exile path of exile proves once again It has one of the most loyal fan bases on steam the path of exile incursion league came out this past week And um, it is It is quite amazing. I'm a big path of exile fan. I backed them before they came out I bought a gold package. I got myself a gold kiwi pet. I'm hipster. Oh, yeah But uh path of exile with this new league and if you don't know what path of exile is It's an action rpg. It's a free to play action rpg that is heavily heavily inspired and based on diablo 2 And uh in an age where diablo 3 gets a lot of flak for not being enough like diablo 2 A lot of diablo 2 players prefer a path of exile over the diablo 3 title um It's a very very involved heavily heavily Advanced game which has a lot of mechanics that you need to play to learn over time has a steep learning curve But it's very rewarding. So This new incursion league Offers a new mechanic which allows you to custom build Your own temple dungeon Based on actions that you perform in the past. It's a very mind-trippy thing But once you do it a couple times, it's addictive. It's very addictive This this league also includes in this patch also includes a lot of buffs to some trapper skills and and a lot of skills that coincide with trapper Most notably the arc skill, which is basically Thor Or storm. I don't care. Which you know, whichever you want to you want to use Or you just shoot bolts of lighting and it just just Changed the different people and it kills them and it is a really really satisfying skill. They buff that couple with traps And a lot of other things which makes this this league a lot more fun to begin with If you're just starting off with the game, this is a very very good good way To get involved with paths of excel because it's very generous It gives you a lot of loot gives you a lot of options a lot of survivability very early Very early on and as a result It's been a whopping success. They almost broke a hundred k concurrent players 96,000 players At release they had like a 20 minute Q issue which wasn't that bad And it got resolved pretty fast and then everybody got in and started doing stuff The the viewership on twitch has been outstanding. It's been huge And i've been playing it on my stream. You probably will notice it in my stream bites episode some some path of excel moments But the encouraging league is out and what these leagues are is that they reset the ladder every three months Has a different rule set and you have to start a new character. So it's never too late to start So check it out path of excel.com and i'll put the link to to get hype in the get hype.com in the show description Which talks about some of the other numbers That proved that the fan base has been loyal now. This is kind of controversial because uh, the the guys behind path of excel grinding gear games They were recently bought out by tensent In china big china conglomerate and a lot of people got worried about that because they thought that you know This was going to ruin the game. This was going to ruin path of excel So far so good though, uh, even though tensen hasn't been in there for long You know it's so far so good land and i don't think tensen's gonna gonna really hurt the game that much personally But you know a lot of people are worried. So check it out guys get hype.com has the details Path of excel incursion is going right now and man. Man. Is it a success? 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We'll be back for episode 124 whatever it's going to be And we'll have another fun filled episode of news and events And possibly some e3 news as well because that's happening next week Oh That's going to be that's going to be i might have to make two shows for that kind of stuff E3 he's going to be packed. All right guys. Have a great day. This is game chat with one episode 123 And i'll see you all next time block Hey guys, thanks for watching the video Please comment like subscribe and all that good stuff and make sure you click the bell To be notified. Otherwise you ain't gonna see this video. Wait, how did you see this video? I'm okay. Bye