 One of the, if not the most nutrient dense foods on the planet, as defined by the food that contains every essential nutrient that you need to survive and live. In other words, you can eat this and be okay and eat nothing else. There's only one type of food that fits this category. It's meat. That's right. This is a fact. Okay. This is unequivocal. Meat contains every single essential nutrient, macronutrient and micronutrient. You need to live for your body to function. It's extremely nutrient dense. Now just eating meat is not ideal, but removing meat from your diet. Whoa, you better make up for that with other foods and typically supplements. So when you hear people say, Hey, get rid of meat. Don't eat meat. You need to do a lot of research and a lot of work to make up for all those nutrients you are missing when you stop eating meat. Bringing this up because the push brought you by big beef. Yeah. I wish they sponsored us. I'd be all for it. Just throw us a steak. Everyone's well. Uh, I'm saying this because I brought this up on an earlier podcast about the UN is making a call to, um, their, you know, their, uh, I don't know, member nations to reduce meat consumption in particular America. Oh, I see. Now here's the problem. Okay. Here's the problem with that in those of us who work in the health space. Understand this. Okay. The average American consumes a majority of their calories from heavily processed foods. This is a fact. In fact, when you go to grocery stores, 73% of the calories in a grocery store, typical grocery store, this is confirmed comes from heavily processed foods. The average American, a majority of their diet is made up of heavily processed foods. When you look at the remaining whole natural foods, which is what we're always advocating for, I don't think anybody will say that a whole natural food diet meat, eggs, dairy, it's meat, eggs and dairy. That's a majority. They're not eating a lot of other whole natural foods. That's pretty much it. So if you convince a bunch of everyday people who already don't plan their diets, who are already not health and fitness fancy average person, and you just scare the hell out of them, or you tax meat into oblivion, or you ban meat and make it so people can't purchase it, what do you think is going to happen? They're going to replace it with more of what they already eat a lot of heavily processed foods. And what that will result in is a sicker population, a fatter population, a population with less muscle, with more anxiety, more depression as a result of nutrient deficiencies, not a great trade. So that's the reason why I'm bringing this up. I agree with you 100% on this. My question I have for you though is do you subscribe to it being this big, you know, conspiracy to make people weaker and sicker? Or do you think it's less nefarious and it's just this is the easiest path to patenting food that we can make more money and control the food industry even more? Like what do you think, and I don't think that's a conspiracy. I think that's like the obvious path to me. I think that there's a few different things at play. There's the climate worshippers where they place the climate, right? Environment climate as their top value. I think to that point, I think those are just useful idiots. I think the agenda is still to make money and it's easy to play to that. But there's more than one thing that's making this happen. So that's one, right? One of them is corning the market. People worship the climate. It's everything, kill all the humans. Everything bends to this top value. Every other value is less than that. So if people are more sick, people have more anxiety, more depression, less innovative, et cetera, et cetera. Even people even call humans a cancer on earth is a common one. So that is part of it. Then you have a lot of markets that profit off of people who are not quote unquote balanced and healthy. Now, I don't necessarily think they sit down and say, we want people to be sick. But if you look at their products, their products are typically consumed by people who are less healthy or consume more by people who are less healthy. So if you look at someone who's like, I think of someone who's fit and healthy and balanced or less likely to buy all these products, consume as much of the same media, you know, basically do the same kind of stuff. So their incentives are in that direction. And then what you said, I think is a big one, which is you can create lots of patented processed foods, GMO products, very profitable to do so. And if we need to sell it under the guise of saves, this is a value. It's great for everybody. It's good for the earth. And therefore, let's do it, then they'll do so. So I think there's multi-factors. I think we've seen like a lot of examples of this in terms of like low fat, like in eliminating fat out of your diet and like, you know, other like focuses in terms of like, which foods that we all need to focus on. I feel like this, it's sort of a trends thing, right? And so it starts out as like veganism is I've seen like a big movement and push in that direction. I have, I've seen lately I've seen a lot of push back against it. And so you see like the carnivore kind of diet emerge. And then you see like people like swarming over to that. There was Atkins before. So I think that in terms of capturing the market and like capitalizing on that, I think that there was opportunity there now to like, we have the technology to make this fake meat. And so like in order to get people to buy into it, we're going to force them in that direction. And so I think if a lot of it is like, now that there's more control over the way that consumers get information and like, we all have the same information on our phone, but they can control that a lot more. And you've seen them manipulate, you know, algorithms and ways people like receive information. So the nefarious part for me is that it's like, you know, whether it's like trying to make a sick and all that kind of stuff. And it's like a real devious plot. I mean, you can go down that rabbit hole you want. But I just think in terms of us having to having access to information, like they can control a lot of the information we receive. And so to inform the consumers that this is the direction we need to go is an agenda that businesses have. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I, I don't, I don't think it's this crazy plot to make us sick. I think, I think that also just plays in the favor, too. Of like, that plays into the, you know, the medical industry. Oh, yeah. That's a huge market. So it's like, yeah, you're not, so you have the food and the medical industry, like two of the biggest industries that are out there. And so it's like, oh, OK, well, we're going to get it. We're going to push them over to process foods. That'll probably make them more sick. You'll probably make more money. We're partnering now with GLP. Right. So, you know, so you got the, you got the medical community is not going to push hard back on it because you're just going to send them more customers. Yeah, food industry, it's their best interest to make more money. So I do think like your point about like the zero fat like movement that we had in like the late nineties or whatever I thought, I think that's the same thing. I think it was driven by the same thing. I don't think it will, even though it ended up making people sicker and unhealthier, like we saw this firsthand, right? How many times did you have a female client after training them and then realizing like, oh shit, she's eating under 20 grams of fat, all these issues that she's having, all I had to do is bump her fat to 80, 90 grams a day. And all of a sudden, everything goes away. Everything goes away. So we saw firsthand how what that started to do to people because they didn't know any butter. So I do think that, I think that was a result of it. I don't think that was a desired outcome. I think the desired outcome was, oh, let's create a new niche market of non-fat milk and fake butter and all this stuff like that. Well, look, I'll give you an example. There was that study that showed, so when people get hospitalized for depression, it's pretty bad. Like you're pretty bad. They did a study where they had a group of, they took groups of people who were hospitalized and they put them in rooms where there was a window that faced the east. So the rising sun would come and shine through the window. They were hospitalized significantly less than people who weren't in rooms like that. Now, do you think it's in the best interest of these hospitals to build rooms that allow for more sunlight to come in with the rising, do you think that that's in their best interest? Or do you think it's in their best interest to have people stay a little longer, right? So I don't necessarily think people are like evil at the top, but the incentives don't move towards making people healthy. There's ethical issues. There's definitely ethical issues that you see like that. And you're like, no, they wouldn't, like somebody wouldn't like intentionally have those windows facing that way because they know that it'll keep them a little bit sick or but if you're looking at your bottom line and you're looking at the fact that a hospital is a business and like when they don't have patients, they're losing money all the time. And so and two, with the whole COVID thing, it's like, you see incentives for people to report things because it's like, you know, you have to like make money at the end of the day in order to keep things afloat, pay your employees and all that kind of stuff. So you're making these justifications, unethical dust justifications. A lot of like sometimes it's going to happen. Well, incentives matter. Look, I'll paint the picture just so people could be like, how people aren't evil. I know people work in the medical industry. They're good people. So do I. I think they're, I've met, I've trained and worked with lots of doctors, I have family members that are nurses, they're all amazing people. They all want to help people. So I don't think that there's these evil, whatever. I'm sure there's some, but I think a majority of them are good people. But imagine this scenario presented your corporation. You own these massive hospitals or your medical organization that works with these hospitals. And a study comes out that says sunlight, you know, windows that face the east reduce hospitalization by this percentage. And then another study comes out that says taking this antidepressant at this time when people hospitalized reduces hospitalizations. Which one do you think is going to get more attention to the pill, right? Which one is going to get more like not just attention, but more adherence, more application. And it's not necessarily because people are nefarious. It's just that's what the incentives push you towards. Right? So meat, eating, the studies are clear on this. Very clear. Look at people who don't eat meat. Nutrient deficiencies are higher. Depression is higher. Anxiety is higher. Okay. This is a fact. It's a fact because of the lack of nutrient dense foods. The nutrients that are present meat are more easily absorbed. They're more bio available and they're just, they're just higher in order to make up for that with a non-animal product diet. You can do it. You can do it. We have modern, you know, markets. You can go to the grocery store and get all kinds of different things now at any time of the year. Okay. But it takes a lot of planning. You got to be very careful. And even then, even then, I've worked with clients like this where they were meticulous about their vegan diets. Even then they couldn't get certain nutrient levels where they needed and they begrudgingly. I remember one woman in particular, I worked with her, she was a vegan for ethical reasons. She did not want animals to get hurt. So she was one of those vegans that's like, and those are the ones that tend to be consistent, right? They really, really truly believe like, I don't want animals to get hurt. And she, man, she planned everything out. She worked with a functional medicine practitioner and me. She hired me. She had all these symptoms of nutrient deficiencies and hormone issues. We bumped her calories. I had to try vegan protein shakes. It just, there were certain things that just weren't, weren't working. Okay. Her hair was still kind of falling out. Energy was still not so great. Nails and skin weren't so good. You know, functional medicine practitioners doing tests on her is like, these nutrient levels still aren't coming up. She started taking supplements. The supplements helped a little bit, but they didn't help a lot. Some of them caused digestive issues. Finally, I mean, we had this, her and I had this conversation and I said, you know, you're doing everything right. It's just not working for your body. I know you want to help animals. I said, I think a healthy version of you is going to be more effective than an unhealthy version and you have to place yourself at the top. You can't be effective at helping anything if you're constantly sick and you don't feel good. And she was, I remember, she was in tears. She gave in and she started by eating eggs. And the difference in her health was profound. It was so profound that I remember she would come in and she was like one of those people that was like pro vegan, but also doesn't work for everybody. And you got to do this type of thing. It's just hard. And so if you take a bunch of everyday Americans who don't plan anything with diet and you remove the nutrient then we're going to be in a whole problem. Holy cow. We're going to have all kinds of health and mental health issues and health issues and yeah, the food industry will profit massively massive. By the way, the lab grown meat, you know, it's beautiful about lab grown meat. You patent it. If my lab grows meat, I can make it sows, ribeye. That's the biggest. I think that's the biggest thing going on here is just they're moving in that direction and it's in their best interest. And so the narrative is going to be around why you shouldn't. And you know, it's, I don't know, it's this is the challenge of free markets, right? That's in their best interest to make that money and put that message out. All I think we can do is counter it with better information, right? Yeah. So I mean, the quit. Yeah, it's just our job to inform. You know, here's why I point people, just not to cut you off, but I point people to this, there are ways of raising animals that are far more ethical, not like the conventional style. You can grass fed, it's more natural with the beef. It's going to have better fatty acid profile. The animals are treated differently. And thankfully, because of markets, you can now get it and it used to be so expensive like butcher box, for example, look at the cost of the box of meat that you get. You're not spending more money. It's actually convenient. It's better. And you've got ethically raised like wild caught fish, grass fed beef, heritage pork. You know where it's coming from. You if you want, you can contact the company to figure this all out. I was going to bring up. I was going to bring up butcher box. Do you know if they're like, are they campaigning against a message like this? Or do they just ignore it? Yeah, that's an interesting question. That's a good question. It's like a direct shot across the bow of them, right? I mean, that's their business. I would almost, yeah, I would almost want to. Yeah, me too. I'm surprised. I don't think I've seen anything because I haven't heard anything from our end, like of them sending out stuff where they're like, actually, I mean, you would think that they would do that. Or maybe at least a comparison, you know, and like, look at the value of the nutrients and what not, you know, or maybe there's enough people that are subscribed and that are not even that are not even listening to that message that doesn't it's not hurting them like that. But I would think that it would affect their business. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, maybe not yet, but maybe in the future, you know, my favorite part of this whole movement is, have you seen that people are actually doing this? Have you seen these vegan cat foods? You're taking a carnival. They're not even if they're just like a carnivore. You're like, I'm going to make you eat, you know, this animal cruelty right there. Come on, man. They're not. Yeah, it's it's not benefiting these poor animals. Oh, what did that say right there, Doug? So yeah, so we partner. This is butcher box, according to them. We partner with people who are dedicated to doing the right thing. So they always do 100% grass fed grass finished humanely raised, never given antibiotics or hormones. So they do focus very seriously. I have a super naive question. What is the difference between like a grass fed farm? I should know this right because I was in the dairy and farm industry. What is the difference between like a grass fed beef farm versus a regenerative? Is it the same thing? Is so if you are doing grass fed, is it considered a regenerative farm or is they they they're typically if they're typically yes, but they're not always the same. So you could get up for me. Doug, I'm curious. They could just bring grass to the cows, have a meat. Or regenerative is when they're using the land and cycling through and using all of the land using the manure. So they sort of cycle where they eat. Yeah, I think they move them from pasture to pasture. I know that about grass fed beef. I'm familiar with that. What I'm not familiar with is what constitutes a regenerative versus that. Because I actually am not familiar with any situation where you bring grass to cows. You wouldn't do that. Yeah, you would you would you would feed them silage and you would feed them cornmeal and stuff like that. Does that incorporate more of the ecosystem of other animals and stuff to kind of like trample the ground and they and they know that's what I've read. That's what what's his name talked about. Rob Wolf. Yeah, look up what is regenerative farming. There's there's other animals that play a big role in that in order to like keep a lot of the vegetation and stuff in the soil, for instance, from I just go to become a real popular news board in that community. And I mean, I came from an organic dairy. So when we we move the cattle like from pasture to pasture, they were grass fed. But we also they were able to grain finish those those cows. But what I didn't know the difference is like, OK, what makes it regenerative versus non regenerative? If it's if you are going an all organic route, you're going all grass fed, would that just automatically fall in that category? What does that say Doug? Well, I'm looking at this trying to get an answer that's kind of clear. But what they're saying is really is just the ability to roam freely. That's the main point that I'm seeing as far as that is concerned. Yeah, I mean, for sure, every time we do something like this, where none of us have a definitive answer, I will get 50 dm. Yeah, I'm sure. Get a legit farmer. Yeah, yeah, I got it. I got a regenerative agriculture right there. Who's got this? Is that you, Andrew? OK, good. All right. So look at look at look at there's three here. So go to go to 100 percent regenerative grass fed beef. What does that say up there in summary that or maybe the top point just says genuinely regenerated and 100 percent grass fed beef comes from animals that lived on pasture foraging on nothing but grasses from birth to harvest. The true definition of grass fed and grass finished. Well, the one on the right, though, right next to it is what is what's considered a grass fed but not. So go go grass fed beef right here. A lot of fake grass fed beef is meant to mean genuine regenerative and 100 percent grass fed beef comes from animals that lived on pasture. But OK, but this is not always the case meant to have access to a pasture, but not always the case and could be extremely limited. Many grass fed cattle are in refinement but fed some grass. Yes, that's what I thought, like they literally throw it in their feed. So I was actually reading from the butcher box page there and, you know, it says if you're buying grass fed beef, you're maybe not getting what you think you are. Typically grain fed or grass fed cattle start their lives on pasture, but are later confined to feed lots where their diets can include grains. Wow, so they can so they can consider it still grass fed if they started their life on that. That's why it has to say grass. OK, so grass fed grass finished cattle, also known as 100 percent grass fed are free to roam on pasture for their entire lives, not just when they're calves. Do you know what? So I always thought that the so the cutout I thought, I don't know, so like this is more more questions that would be somebody else can answer better that if it was grass fed as long as they could do it all the way. They had to do it all the way up till our final like two weeks before slaughter, and then they would they would fatten them up by putting grain and silage and everything in their feed. But they still were most of their lives that thought grass fed. But from what that sounds like, you don't even need to do that. They all the way through a lot of trickery going on. Yeah, if you look, you know, that's a shitty part about that. You know, I'm saying that's the argument the other side makes for this. I don't think is it two weeks out? I think it's longer than that. No, that's I mean, that's what I in order to still like that would that be enough time to change the fat in the two weeks of overeating? It would Oh, yeah, with cows with humans to anybody. I mean, you I mean, I've tried to both like that's for you. They have another gear, bro. They can handle I mean, you I you could I remember scooping grain and silage to a cow like they'll eat whatever you put in front of them. Yeah, yeah. They'll they'll go they'll continue to just eat. In fact, I can't remember or call a time. Oh, well, if a cow that's how you knew a cow was sick, right? So if you pour their especially the grain and silage, which they love, you pour that in their in their trough. I mean, they suck it down. If they left something, you always tag that cow. Something's wrong with 487. You know, something's wrong with 519, like they didn't finish their you just know. Did you help them produce like calf? Like how do you have? What do you have one bull for how many cows? How did that work? One one bull. And then I mean, we only had a how many we only had a we only had a herd of one hundred and fifty something. One bull for one hundred and fifty cows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, so so remember that the heifers only come in. They only come in heat. They're just they come in heat at different times. So let's say you have like 15 in heat, you see the signs that they're in heat, then you move them in. What are the signs? I don't remember what I didn't. This is not a part that I did a lot of. Like I had stand different. No, no, no, no. No, I mean, honestly, I think I remember you seeing like like blood and stuff coming. Oh, yeah, yeah. You would see. Yeah, like discharge and stuff like that. If I recall. Now, what do you do? You just bring the bull in? He knows what to do. Yeah, yeah, you just you just pasture them off in the same area. He's normally kind of hanging out by himself. But then when they're in heat, you move them in where they're in heat and he'll go around and he'll he'll he'll fuck them off. Oh, yeah, yeah. He'll take it. I mean, it's a real quick action. You know what I'm saying? It's like you don't even realize like really he's got a hundred and fifty. You know, yeah, he ain't trying to take his time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I yeah, it's an interesting question to add. I never thought to ask like what is the ratio like there's got to be a point where you get more where you want more more. But we were a small dairy. We only had a hundred and hundred thirty to hundred fifty cattle. I didn't know that. But there's still one bull for that many wholly to lead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. That's good. I've never thought about what the number. There's got to be a cutoff though. Like once you get to a certain amount, you would want to have bulls. It's like, dude, yeah, I would grab ideas of like. So when I was in Scotland, they had these like cows that would they have these longhorn cows that were like super sweet. Oh, man, I was like, I could totally like own a few of those guys. They're huge. Yeah, they actually have many versions of them. That's you. Yeah, it was ridiculous. So look what it says. I was right. It was signs of heat standing to be mounted, mounting other cows. Wow. So yeah, you'll see the cow will do it. You'll see other half just like you see with dogs, right? Two male dogs or two. You'll see them mounting those are heat and cattle, not the bulls. Yeah, no, exactly. Same thing. You see the same sex of a dog. If they're in heat, they start doing they start acting. But the big one is the mucus discharge. You'd see this mucus discharge, you know, have a little bit of blood in it and you would know. You know, I'm saying, OK, it's time. Bellowing. OK, so they are like, yeah, I think I know. Well, that's what today's program giveaway maps power lift here so you can win it. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we post it. Also subscribe to this channel and then turn on your notifications. If you win, you'll get maps power lift. We also have a sale going on right now maps old time strength, half off. Maps obstacle course racing. Also half off. If you're interested, do this. Click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. So how was the because we started late today because you were you you drove far to go to the game. Oh, what's the game? Who play? What a Chris Sacramento Kings versus the Warriors. And who won? Crazy Sacramento. Well, it was such a crazy night altogether. So for you've heard me, guys, I don't and I'm not going to bust them out completely on the podcast. But off air, I've talked to you guys, I have a I have a buddy who we all go back like to shit when we're 13, 14 years old, right? So we go way back. And he is the one who got injured and had this windfall of money. So he was like, yeah, he was in his 30s, still living with his dad. I told you guys this and then got a lawsuit, had a windfall of millions of dollars and stuff like that. And as we've gotten older, we've kind of drifted apart, even though, you know, it's like, and I'm sure you guys have this guys that you were really close to when you were young. You still have friends, but maybe as you get older, you realize, like, OK, we have less in common now. And so we see less and less of each other. But we still really, that's because they can they still act like they did when you were two. Yeah. And that's kind of that's definitely him. Like, he's still like that. And he's like a little bit of embarrassing and obnoxious and everything like that. Well, anyway, here we go. What happened if he does, he deserves to hear this anyways, because he was. So I'm with now my other best friend, who I tell you about, that Justin, who I do all kinds of stuff with and his wife is great friends of mine. And him and I are his third best friend. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're all we're all I know people probably get confused. I have to have another. I know him. He's cool. Close, close buddy. Only one side. Really cool, Justin. So he introduces me to this guy like his neighbor and where he lives over in Lodi. And this guy, first time I meet him, like maybe a month ago, we hit it off. Super cool guy, very successful dude. He started up those care homes and we're all we're all big basketball fans, but he's a Kings fan. And so we're all, you know, we're talking track. Yeah, yeah. And having a good time and he's like, hey, we should all catch a game. I said, yeah, I would love to. Well, long story short, this dude offers up. He literally gets all of us tickets for us and our wives to go to the game, right? And I'm like, I can't do in the amount of cheap tickets. Yeah, yeah. This is where we're sitting like great seats, right? And I go, oh, man, I can't because that nice of a gesture. I was like, I can't accept that. I was like, let me barely know the guy, right? Let me, let me at least take care of mine and my wife's tickets. No, absolutely. No, he's like real nice guy, like totally refused me, wouldn't let me do anything. So anyways, we go incredible game last night. So it's off. It's off. It's like incredible. It's an intern in season tournament game. And out of the blue, my buddy, who we don't really talk to very much, we're on this little thread and every once in a while it pops in and whatever he'll say something. And my other, my other buddy who stayed with me here, Justin. Okay. Is like, I don't, I remove myself from that thread because I can't stand him anymore. I don't want to talk to him. And he doesn't know that because I don't know if you know this, but when someone pulls himself out of like an iPhone thread, you'll still see their name. You can mute it. Yeah. And so he sees nothing that that guy sees, but he thinks he's still on that thread. So he's like having these conversations sometimes. And I know it because I'm in it still. And so he messes him. Yo, JP, Justin, he's like going to the king's game. You want to go with me because they live over there. I don't live over there. So he doesn't even, I'm like, oh, that's crazy. I'm like, we're actually going to be there. Justin's neighbor hooked us up with some tickets. Oh, where are you sitting at? Where are you going to be at? I'm going to be court side. Where are you guys at? And so he was making this big and I'm like, at this point, we're like, I should have said nothing. Yeah. But then I'm like, I'm going to run into this full. Like, you know what I'm saying? And then it'll be worse if I like, like, we're again, we go back to high school. So anyways, I tell him where we're going and where and I find out where the seats are at. So he does some stuff to move around. Now, we warn this guy that we I just met in his Justin's neighbor like, hey, we're going to run into one of our friends like, please. It's not a representation. Oh, he's like that. No, I had to have that. I literally had to talk because I barely know this guy. This guy's really nice. I just want you to know, like, we're probably going to run into Justin and I's buddy for my school. Everybody's got that one friend. Yes. You got to warn everybody. And it's a new like relationship that I'm like building with this new guy, right? So I'm like, hey, this dude is not a representation of anybody else that would hang with me today. Like, this is just so you know. And and so we're kind of giving him that warning. So am I buddy? Because he came in, he was living at home with his dad till he was 30 something years old and he was kind of going nowhere for a for a long time. He was that and that was part of why we all drifted apart. Rest of our friends all went off to college or made something themselves did something. He stayed in our hometown, fucking around, getting drunk at local bars, doing nothing. Right. He ends up getting this massive lawsuit. So now he's that same guy. Just a ton of money. And somebody who gets that like that, the insecurities around it are crazy. It's like they got to they got to prove that they like they made it even though they didn't make it. You know what I'm saying? And so he finds out where we're at and he gets the the front row seats. So we're on like we're in the third row, which are really nice seats. Sorry, it's still considered court side where we're at. And he gets the court. I mean, these are the seat. And it's right. There's two on the floor. Yeah, he's on the floor and he's by this on the bed. One percent when they got it. Had he not known you were 100 percent, he's never said I know he has it. And on top of it, he buys it because he doesn't want to go by himself. So he buys a ticket to this dude I've never met. He's a fucking stranger. When I ask him about him, he's like, oh, it's my my Baccarat buddy, Baccarat, buddy. Fuck, you play Baccarat. You met some dude gambling, buys this dude and all of it is to like show up. Yeah, my buddy, he starts getting drunk. He starts being obnoxious, acting like he owns the place. It's like a whole time. I'm like, and he's real close. And so he's leaning back, talking and all the people around us are looking at me and I'm telling like the people that work to like, I don't know who the fuck this guy is. So I don't want to be associated with him. So he continues to act like an asshole and sure as shit, dude, this case. So if you watch the game, those that watch the game will understand like how crazy funny this is. So quarters one through three lawyers are dominating. I mean, we are up 15 to 20 points the entire game. My buddy, who's the king's fan who brought us. I feel bad for him. He brought us all these tickets and like, we're just thumping him the game's gonna. And but I'm like, man, this is crazy. So my dumb friend who's in the front row gets ejected. They throw him out of the fucking the guy's sitting on the floor and he gets kicked out. What do you do? Just talking to the players, talking to the people. Just being an idiot. Hold on real quick. And saying how much of those tickets costs on the floor? 13,000 for that. He got ejected on 13,000 and bought the guy next to him and got ejected in the third quarter when they gave it and the Kings come make the craziest comeback I'd ever seen with a buzzer beater one point when it was one of the most epic games. It sucked for me because we lost. Yeah. But one of the most epic games I'd ever seen live happened. And so he gets thrown out. The story gets crazier. So like I go down. He's out and it gets worse. No, well, the story gets crazier, right? So the other part was almost getting into with Nate Diaz, right? Wait, wait, wait, wait. U of C, Nate Diaz. So I go down. So yeah, yeah. So I'm in the lounge area. It's that's a little bit of a stretch that I really kind of have. But he was there. And what happened to me and how I found out he was there. So I go to the I break off at like mid fourth quarter to go to the restroom. And at this point, the game's going. So there's like hardly anybody in this lounge area. And there's like a group of like four or five people, like four, four dudes and three or four girls that are just like in this Lexus lounge area, private area, and I don't pay no attention. I'm like be lying straight to the restroom because I gotta go and go to the restroom. And when I come out, I swing the door and slam into this dude. And this dude kind of turns around, mean mugs me and then we're like walking. Oh, I touched him. I'm sorry, bro. Like it wasn't a big deal. And as they come out, he's for he's with Nate and all these guys. And they're all like, yeah, I hit one of his boys. I didn't know who he was, right? But I still said I'm sorry. Like a couple. I was in a hurry, right? So come back and hit him the side and he kind of threw him off. It's always that guy, though, right? Yeah. And of course, I'm with me and I was being a nice guy about it. I was, oh, man, I grabbed him. I'm sorry, dude. I'm sorry. And he's kind of give me this mean look. And then we I followed him out of the bathroom. He's still dogging me and stuff like that. And then I see he stands right next to Nate. I'm like, oh, yeah, great. This will be my luck. You know what I'm saying? The dude that wants to fight me is fucking Nate's boy. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, I end up I just I walk out. I get out of there. I'm not trying to fucking start nothing. So nothing happened with them. That was that was a stretch to say something about this. The game was incredible. The scene. My buddy get thrown out of the game. Did he say anything? Has he said anything to you? Oh, after the after the show, I'll show you guys the thread of the conversation. Is he apologizing? Does he know we act like no, no, no, no. This is the friend. I told you. God, I hate that. Who is also a pathological liar. So he tells like outlandish crazy stories. So the thread that I have of the text messages of when I got out of the game, it was him telling me how he told the Kings how they're going to give me three more games for free. Or also, I'll never come back. My lawyers are coming after and going to sue the sue the Verena. That's a fiat, bro. Wait till I get you. It's too long to read. It's painful. It's too long to read on the podcast, but I'll let you guys read it afterwards of the conversation that he was having basically with himself. It's everybody else's. And you still call him a friend. I mean, it's like one of those guys I feel like. I mean, I don't know if you guys have a loyal to him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's a loyalty there. So to the audience understands why I would even allow his his mom was like, um, he's an adopted kid and his mom is was like another mom to me. And she died of brain cancer when we're in high school. And I and I also when I moved into this new town, he was one of the first kids that befriended me. So you got loyalty. So exactly. So I have this. So his mom was like another mom to me. He befriended me when I was a new kid in town. We, you know, so we were, we were tight. We were really tight when we were growing up and we just, we outgrew each other and went different directions and he kind of just like I said, he didn't really become a pathological liar till after we got older. And then it was like, and if you've ever met someone who's like a true pathologist, you can't call them on it. They're so good at it. Like he's so good that he, when he tells stories, like he inserts truth. And so, and there are always things that you can get out of that you can't prove. Like he told us when we got there, he told me how him and Clay were in the elevator together and he was telling Clay, oh man, great game. Tell him who he was and all the stuff like that. And it's like, I can't prove that it was just him, just him and Clay, right? So nobody could prove. Nobody could prove that he was hanging out with Clay in the elevator talking to him on the way on the way to the game. It's like, but, but you do know what I do know is that the players stayed at the same hotel that he was at. So there's a possibility. Possibly. Yes. And it's always like that. You know, I'm saying when they're really good at lying like that, though, they always have these like hints of. I have a friend, I'll say friend that was like that where he would not like that. But I stopped hanging out with him because when we go out, if he had a one or two drinks, he would always start a fight. Yeah. Always would start a fight. You know, when you're, when you're a kid, like the first time it happens, it's exciting. And you yourself are probably a bit of an asshole because you're a teenage, you know, whatever. But then after the second or third time, like, I don't want to go out with you, bro. Every time we go out, you start something. It's terrible. It ruins a night. And you're just angry. So, you know, you know, I used to be a little bit naive, too. I was like, oh, they're going to mature. Yeah. Yeah. Like, eventually, right? That's how I felt, too. And then waiting for them. Yeah. And then you just, I guess the only move for me was I had the same issue, though. I had a lot of friends like that that was like, I'm loyal to them. Like, we've been through, like, serious shit together. And like, I know their families and it goes deep, you know? But at the same time, you're like, but you haven't changed your behaviors. Like, that sucks. Dude, I got some heartbreak around the story like that. It was I went the first one of the first clubs I ever ran. There was an AGM there that worked for me. And he had kind of a bad reputation, but I took him under my wing and I wanted to train, develop him. And he was definitely working hard and really doing a good job while I was there. And when I left, I, you know, really put in a lot of good words for him. And at the time he was performing well to take over as the manager of that club, which he'd never gotten before. And it was a big deal for him. Yeah. He becomes the manager and slowly, like, declines into some of his old habits where he'd show up to work late, drunk, doing drugs. These are the rumors I was hearing. I get on the phone with him like, what's going on, dude? This is your best opportunity. Like, why would you throw this away? Anyway, long story short, he lost that. And I still would talk to him and he cut me. He like ignored me for a while and then I get a phone call from him. After a while, he ignored me. He called me and he calls me to bail him out of jail. And so I did, but I knew, like, I'm going to, I'm going to bail you out. I know you have a family. Yeah. And I care about you. Yeah. But after I give you this money, I'm never going to talk to you again. And that's exactly what I did. Because I had to create that, you know, that bounty. And I did. I bailed him out and then that was it. And then a couple of years later, he tried to get in contact with me. But at that point, I'm like, he wrote it off. Yeah. It's like, I'm not going to, you know, but it's heartbreaking. You know, it reminds, you tell the, your evolutionary theory around why us men like pick on each other and stuff, right? To see, are you going to hang? Are you in like, I 100% grew up in a group of guys like that. Oh yeah. But once we all got to, if we still are friends and now that we're in our forties or whatever like that, it's like everyone, most everyone has grown beyond that, right? You don't need to challenge me anymore. For 20 years, I've been around. You know, I got your back. You've already been in 50 fights together. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, there's nothing to prove anymore. So we should all be like that. He still has that in him. And now it's like, it's meaner and uglier. It's more mean-spirited. Yeah. It's more. I know that. It's more mean-spirited. And so that the reason why my other buddy, so if he ends up hearing this, he'll know why. My other buddy, Justin, who stopped talking to him, pulled himself out of the thread. Bro, he started to like talk shit about him being a father and like, like, tell him. Oh, you don't touch that. Oh, yeah. I tell him he's not. You don't touch that. He's telling me he's a pussy husband and just like. These are things you don't touch. Yeah. And you don't come in from a guy who's not a father. It's like, dude, what are you doing? Like, you don't you don't say that to a friend, too. Like, you don't say that to a nothing. I wouldn't say that to some way I don't like. Yeah. You don't say much less to somebody who you like. And it's like, I don't even know if he realizes like how mean spirited that is. And it's like, we're 40 years old. Like, I don't want that in my life. He was my buddy. And so that's why he removed himself because he can get like that. Isn't that interesting? There's a there is a certain ability to be able to discern what is genuinely mean and what is just we're fucking with each other. And I think some people don't know how to discern that. Like, you ever have that buddy? I have a friend like this who I have somebody that's like this and the group I hang out with where we all talk shit to each other, but everybody can discern. Yeah. And then he takes it too far. And everybody it's like, obviously everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. You went too far. Like, that's not he can't. I don't think he understands how to discern between like friendly shit talk. Yeah. And like, oh, you just that's not across the line a little bit. And that's not really cool. Yeah. And it's so funny because I had a friend like that. And I was still friends with that guy, right? And meanwhile, I'd kind of float around to other groups of friends and they'd be like, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm going to invite so-and-so to come hang out. They're like, really? Yeah. And they get all like uncomfortable and later on I figured out like, yeah, he's really hard to like deal with because he'll be that guy that will like launch an insult that's like, is this funny or is this just really mean? You know how you know the difference? This is how you can always tell they can dish it out. They cross the line. They can't take it. It's always that. The guy that can't take what he dishes out, that's a red flag. This dude's insecure and he's not because if you're going to give it to me and you're going to cross some lines, then you're going to get it back. And if you can't take it back. Well, this is what I'm actually having this conversation a lot with Ethan because he's he's in that that phase right now where a lot of his friends are figuring that they're doing that, you know, and they're all kind of like the pecking order thing and then one's gone off with this group of friends. The other ones have gone this way. He's kind of over here and with, you know, this this new kind of group of friends. And so, you know, it's just like being able to identify that and like if it's mean spirit or if it's like it's it's true, just like they're just, you know, jabbing at you to joke. I I will not do to somebody else that something that I can't take back. Yeah, I will not because I one thing I cannot take is like, don't don't poke at me for being a father or being a husband. Things that I can be sensitive about. I would never do that someone else. Right. If I did, I better be OK. That's right. With you hitting me back. That's right. And that's, you know, that's and there's also, I mean, there's there's always like, I feel like there's a time and a place like there's like, you know, when there's an opening where one of you said something, I'm like, oh, I'm going to get just, you know, it's like you set it up. It's funny. It's like, and it was just and then we move on from it. But like when you get someone like this who's like mean spirited, it's like you you wedge in a place to be mean and rude. It doesn't even belong there. Like he'll he'll be like talking down about somebody else or something like that and then find a way to like pull you in as and put you down with that. And it's just like, why am I standing here listening? I have a I have a buddy. Why am I getting buried? I mean, Katrina, Katrina apologized to me on the way home. She goes, you know, I'm really sorry. I said, why? And she goes, well, I know you so well. And she goes, I heard your tone of your voice and she goes in the hair stood up on my neck. And I know when you don't get like that, I should just pull you out of that situation. And I left you in there. She goes, I'm sorry that I didn't come and she's because I can rely on her to be like that. Oh, honey, we have to go come and save this. Yeah, yeah. Like she's got that reading. Yeah. You know, by the way, that's a good you know why that's a good woman because a man will get stuck in a situation and will not leave because it can make him appear to be less manly. It can make him feel that way or you just are not aware enough. A good woman will know I'm going to step in and help. Yeah. And she and she's like solid for that. Like normally spot on. She catch she can she can read my body language the way I'm responding and she'll normally come over and make something up, right? Like, oh, honey, we have to go do this or oh, so and so won't need you to call them or like she'll do something where it pulls me out. I don't have to. I don't have to be the person who's just like, hey, bro, don't want to talk to you and walk away. And she's like, I totally she goes, I was into my thing. I heard you. My hair stood up. I should have said something. I got a buddy like that where I'll say something like, oh, you know, this happened in on the business or whatever. And then his way of talking shit is like, well, anybody could do a social media business. Like, like that's not even a good way. First of all, you're not talking shit properly. That's not really good. Number two, it's super not true and it just makes you look stupid, you know, stuff like that. I mean, I love I love a good razzing or jam. My favorite. Yeah, like people listen to us off air. They'd be like, wow, these kids if it's clever and it's cheeky, you know what I'm saying, like cheeky versus just like, oh, I want to fucking insult you and like teach you. Well, how many times have we talked? We've this is a funny thing for the audience to have insight perspective. Like, so we all like her like that with each other, right? So when we meet people, you know, they just because we are that way, right? And we don't know them. We don't have this relationship. And so you get these people that listen to the show sometimes. Oh, they jump in. Yeah, they jump in. I don't know you what he do. Yeah. And they want to they want to get a part of that. And so they'll just come in insulting one of us. And some people have good delivery and some people don't have really good delivery. And yeah, we don't have rapport, man. Yeah. And so we've had to learn to like, you know what, like if someone's like on our social media or meeting us in person, just assume that they're good hearted and they mean well, because some people suck at that delivery and it's like, well, it's like actually lifted weights. Yeah, I'll say something. You're like, what? Like that's the first thing they say. But I know it's our own fault because we put ourselves up for that energy off. You know what you should have done when your friend was was acting that way is you should you should have given him some some some Organifi Goldjuice to get him just to bring this great commercial break right there. Hey, do you have? I was wondering how he's going to shoot a shoehorn or get a bike commercial in here. Listen, nine out of 10 times they were comzy asshole. Yeah. Do you ever say you're a friend that just won't chill the fuck out? Or get a bike. I think that's a really relaxing. I wish we could do more fun commercials like that. That would be funny. Hey, speaking of the Goldjuice that the pumpkin spice Goldjuice. Oh, my God, bro. With almond juice, macadamia nut. Do you slip into your uggs when you make that? Oh, I want to. You slip into your uggs. I should have. Dude, I've created a nice little like, oh, man, it's such like a little nook in terms of like it's just it was so comfortable. I passed out when I got home with the tree and then the fireplace and then the beanbag. And I just I don't ever sit in that beanbag and I it's like I cannot like get up. So you're stuck there. Unofficial. This is not organized by promoting this, but I am going to say this. You take the Goldjuice, you get some almond milk or some macadamia milk or whole milk if you can have dairy. You froth it up, throw a little bit, a little bit of rum on believable on pretty sure. Is that what they intended? They don't. I don't like getting a call from Drew right now. What are you guys doing? Hey, maybe not bring up alcohol with our health products. It's got pro liver health compounds in there. So that's that flavor like available for that. Speaking about your life, are you are you still building your man cave or did you finish it? What are you out with? Still, I'm still kind of adding. Well, here's the thing, like in in we're talking about teasing and whatnot, like Courtney and I have had this kind of relationship too. We're like she's worried that I'm going to be like cluttering it, you know, and I'm like, no, I'm trying to like add all these things. So I'm trying to like reorganize my thoughts with it, get it, get somebody's to help me sort of like structure it better. Yeah, because I was going to go in a little ham, you know, like I was like buying all these cool things and like trying to make it work. And and she's like, maybe you want to step back and kind of like, that's like the nice, nice white place. Yeah, take a look at what you're and I get it too. And she was not trying to be mean about it. She was just trying to get me to kind of like, oh, so I've been reassessing it it's pretty much there. It's just like it needs it needs like organization. I could send a picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, we got to say this before we ran out of time. We have to bring this up. Well, Tucker Carlson on X did a segment on what's that new act that they passed? The UAE. UAE, they're going to be releasing information that the government has or they're trying to on UFOs. I did not know this. There are 10 whistleblowers that were deep in these federal agencies that have come forward and under oath have literally said, yes, these are extraterrestrial aircraft. No, they're not made from any government that we know of. Yes, we are in contact and we have been in contact with extraterrestrial beings. We did capture some bodies like this is real. This is the real deal. So they passed this act, which is like, you've got to release this information. There were politicians who are ready to get the information. Deep agencies step forward and literally said, no, you're not getting it. And so they went to the media and said, why can't we get this? Yeah, this is all happening. All people in Congress, everybody was like, oh, yeah, let's start like diving into this. And got this is real. This is all real. Not saying that they're telling the truth. So OK, this is this. Here's my tinfoil hat coming on here, bro. This is you know what scares me the most about this is that that there's something else that is crazier than fucking aliens that we need aliens to distract all of us. That's the thing that scares the fuck out of me. Is that why now? If it is true, why like why at this moment in time, which is a kind of a weird time right now coming into another election. I tell you, man, I haven't. Coming into the economy being crazy. Like I did not have this on there. This is this is weird to me and weird timing even more so. And so what else the fuck is going on? Well, the whistleblowers have come out. This has been in the I thought the same thing. Did you hear about what by the way, too, speaking like since here's one that could go gone. Did you hear about the Pentagon again in their budget? Yeah, they failed sixth time. Yeah, audit, audit. Yes, bro. They failed 50% unaccounted for assets. Come on. I mean, how can people just not get like infuriated? So can't that can't that make you feel like, OK, that's a great way to distract everybody right now. Oh, aliens don't don't worry about the trillions of dollars. That's part of it, though. They're like, we want to investigate where all this money's going. Yeah, yeah. You know, like let's trace all this money. Like we need transparency for the American people. Now, Tucker Carlson is like, why won't they really feel this? And the common theory is they don't want to cause a panic. And he goes, bullshit, bullshit. He goes, look how they used the pandemic. They love scaring us. They love scaring us. That's why it doesn't make sense. He said, maybe it's because they don't want us to know that they've got technology that they've been using. Maybe it's because there's other reasons that are worse. For us, like they've made deals. That was the thing is like, have they made deals with these like extraterrestrials that we don't know about? Along those lines, have you guys seen the video? Do you guys remember Malaysia Air? I don't remember what it was. It was the jetliner. There's a document here. It was Netflix, I think. The other one just appeared. Yes, yeah, yeah. Okay, there's videos. You ready for this? Okay. There's videos, both actual video and thermal video of the plane itself flying surrounded by orbs, going around it. Three of them. Like going around it. Okay. There's a few videos and it vanishes. Literally disappears. It looks just like a Hollywood movie where it just like poof. And now here's the thing. There, I forgot who it was. There's people that are, there's a person or a group that's coming out that is now offered overall. I think that the amount is keeps going up. But I think at the moment it's $150,000 to anybody who can prove that these videos are fake. Oh really? They're putting money out and saying prove to me. Well, cause they haven't found any remains. Cause they thought it crashed but they didn't find any remains of it. Thermal video. It's flying orbs. Yeah. Did they find parts of the plane and everything washed up on a beach or island? Disproved. Yeah. Cause it was like they were like. Oh, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. They were parts from another plane. Doug, pull up the Malaysia air surrounded by orbs. It literally just disappears. What year was that? What year was that? I don't know. It was a couple of years ago. It's been a while more than that. Way longer. Yeah. Well, that's when the documentary came out but. Yeah, bro. Come on. It's crazy. I don't know. And they're offering money to prove that those are fake videos and nobody's coming forward. I don't know why everybody's looking over here. I'm trying to figure out what's going on over here. Well, I know. Speaking of the Pentagon, you know, this is old, right? But when you really think about it, I'm gonna throw another. I don't know. We'll see if this episode gets flagged. Yeah. The Pentagon is not a very tall building. It's a wide building. It's massive. It has to be the most, one of the most if not the most surveyed buildings in the world. It's the Pentagon. Yeah. A pilot, or should I say a passenger, who learned how to fly a single engine Cessna, who on the report was such a terrible pilot that the guys didn't want to even pass him, hijacks a 747, figures out how to maneuver it with maneuvers that not even the best fighter pilot said that they could probably do, hits the side of the building, basically hovering over the ground, which is 747. Good luck doing that. And we have no video evidence because they confiscated all the videos. That's what happened on September 11th. That's literally what happened with the Pentagon on September 11th. There were people that went on camera, the eyewitnesses, if you will. Yeah. So weird. Who knows what the deal is, but what are they? Obviously, they're hiding something. Obviously, something is going on. So who knows? Just speaking of the Pentagon. Yeah. You're really gonna get us flagged. We just threw that on top. Little cherry on top. Yeah. You can't find the Orr video, Doug? I can find it. Well, I got a cool, well, I guess it's kind of scary, but also cool. Oh, there it is. Hold on, look at this. To bring up. Look at this video. Oh, Doug, you're not a member of TikTok. You can't get on it. All right, we'll look at it as we go. But anyways, there's a scientist in Russia. So you guys know about the permafrost, right? Oh. Okay, hold on. Let's watch this. I love this. This is always the music when something's weird, isn't it? Do, do, do. Yeah, it's always that. So this is satellite image, okay? Look at those little... So there's the orbs circling around it. Just spinning around it. And then all of a sudden, it literally just pops out of existence. Like, what are those, dude? Watch. Ready? And... Gone. So that's a satellite that took those? That's a satellite image. Why did they put an emoji there? That's really annoying. Just the, yeah. This is TikTok. All right, all right. Go ahead, Justin. What do you got there? The permafrost? Yeah, the permafrost. So it's been thawing out and they've been getting mammoth bones and all that kind of stuff. Well, I guess like there's one part of the permafrost that goes really deep. And so they were like investigating it and actually they found like the deepest part, this bacteria that was, I don't know, like 6. something million years old. I guess they assumed that was still alive. And so being scientists like, hey, let's like test this bacteria. And so they injected it in mice and plants. And apparently they had like tremendous longevity in terms of health and prosperity and all this stuff. Like, and so... Wait, the mice became prosperous? The mice, that would be crazy. I get not prosperous. They started businesses wrong. We're in... Holy shit! Damn, these mice making investments. They just lived a long time. Why do we always use that word when it's about longevity? It goes hand in hand. Anyways. Thanks for calling me out on that. Yeah, so anyway. So they lived a long time. So they lived a long time. They're healthy. They're healthy and vibrant. Vibrant. They're rich in life. Vibrant. Rich in life. I found it, it's vibrant. But anyway, so the scientist that was observing this like decided to inject himself with it. Oh. And so... Just like that? Just like that. All he needed was a couple mice. Right? It's not all he needs. Hey, this mouse just started a business. Yeah. But of course, so far he's trying to report like health benefits from, but I don't know. I'm gonna be like watching to see what happens. Did this just happen? Not that long ago. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, so. And he's still alive. He's still alive. So countdown's on. Why would you... Why? Why would you do that? And it's 6.5 million... Yeah. We gotta get his name so we can like watch him. I'm sure he's got some social media. Yeah. Yeah, we'll watch him. I mean, I don't know it. I want to look it up, but... I'd love to give him a shout out. I was supposed to give him a shout out. Shout out to the scientist. I'll look that up while you guys converse. He injects himself with bacteria from the perforose because he saw prosperous mice. He's... I mean, you know. Who doesn't want to be prosperous? Not at all. All right. Do we have a shout out for today? So I guess somebody had that. I might have brought him up a long time ago on here, but he's, I mean, he's continued to grow and he's that comedian, Tyler Fish. Oh, he's lit. Yeah, oh, Tyler Fish. So, dude, I've been following him for a really long time and I remember he started to really blow up in the... During the vaccine. He'd do a lot of funny vaccine jokes that went viral. Yeah. He's in that movie now that Daily Wire just did. What's that? What's the new one called? Oh, that's the one where they had the dudes going in the... Ballers. Lady ballers. Lady ballers. So he's got a role in that. I thought that was so crazy. I had been texting him for a long time. I was trying to get him to do like an opener. He offered to do an opener for like one of our live events. Oh, wow. And I just never followed up and executed it and I reached out to him again to congratulate him. So, yeah, he's definitely a worth a follow for me. I found the Russians doctor's name. What is it? So it's Dr. Brochoff. So, B-R-O-U-C-H-K-O-V. Did you just make that up? I... Sounds like it. What's up, Brochoff? 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And when that happens, your body is trying to conserve calories and it's trying to become more efficient. One of the ways it does this is by pairing muscle down and it shifts hormones in a way so that fat storage becomes more likely. So your body literally, think of it this way, it would be like you are, you know, with your family, normal economy, all of a sudden the economy crashes. What are you gonna do? You're gonna start saving money. You're gonna talk to your wife or your spouse or you're gonna say, look, economy crashed. Things are looking bad. Let's slow down the spending. Let's start cutting expenses and let's start saving as much money as possible cause times are really scary. And this is what your body does when you're overtrained and not recovering is your body wants to move this direction. So you become weaker, you start to gain more body fat, cravings go up to try to fuel some of this. It's just not a good place to be. You definitely won't build muscle. That's for sure. The only signal your body's receiving is the food is scarce and the demands on your body have increased, right? And so it's natural inclination is to try and preserve as much as possible in terms of energy because of the environment you're presenting it. Even if that isn't the case because you're overtrained, you're adding an excessive amount of movement on top of not probably eating enough calories to supplement that, that's all your body's receiving. It's important that we understand that our, our body doesn't want to carry a bunch of extra muscle. It's an expensive tissue, energy wise, and it's only gonna carry the least amount it needs to to run efficiently. And so if you don't eat enough, you don't give it the building blocks for that and you overtrain the body, it'll get rid of it. It's not, it's not ideal for it to have it. And so it's only gonna operate with the least amount. And so it actually takes a lot of effort to keep building or adding or holding on to additional muscle than what you need to get through your daily activities, right? So you have the least amount you need just to get through the things you do every single day. And then we go to the gym lifting weights, hoping that we send the signal to, hey, give my body some more muscle. It needs more muscle. But if we don't give it the building blocks nutritionally that it needs, it's not gonna do it. And then if we also overstress the body so much that it's trying to defend all these things we're throwing at it, it's also not going to build muscle. And look, you know, we can look at this from a different, a lot of different ways, but let's look at this hormonally. Overtraining causes depression of testosterone. It causes a depression of growth hormone. It causes cortisol levels to be elevated when they're not supposed to be elevated. You can see estrogen and progesterone and balances in women. You also get chronic inflammation. You know, it's like any stress that your body can't handle, it starts to break down. And so this is a terrible place to be in. This is anti-muscle. This also encourages fat gain through many different methods. One of them being slower metabolism, hormone profile not so good. And also cravings. You are going to have more cravings when your stress levels are higher than what you can handle. For a few reasons, one of them is, you know, it's one way to make yourself feel better in the moment. So you're kind of using it as a way to, you know, medicate yourself. And the second reason is your body's like, oh, too much stress. If there's food, eat it. Cause we got to save these calories, store these calories because this is an environment that's not so safe. Okay, next question is from Jay Schaefer, WA. What's the difference between cycling calories, high days versus low days, as opposed to taking the average and eating that amount every day? Well, the biggest difference, cause there are differences physiologically, but let's start with the psychologicals. I think that's the most important thing to focus on. Real relaxed, balanced, healthy eating. And I say relaxed in the sense that you're not like counting every calorie and carrying food with you, right? But healthy, balanced, kind of relaxed eating. It's not going to look exactly the same every single day. I mean, it'll look similar. Most of us will eat the same thing for breakfast and lunch, but sometimes we'll go out for dinner, sometimes we'll eat something different, we'll switch up to meat, whatever. So to eat the exact same calories and macros every single day just is- Highly unlikely. It just doesn't mirror real life. So it's a hard transition. I should I say it's a harder transition to go from there than it would be to have days that are higher carb, lower carb. The other thing is, or higher calorie, lower calorie. The other thing is it allows you to pay attention to how you feel on days that are higher calorie or days that are lower calorie. Do I feel more sharp? Do I have more energy? Do I feel more groggy? More carbohydrates make me feel this way. More fat makes me feel this way. Higher protein makes me feel this way. Lower protein makes me feel this way. So it really, it encourages you or it creates the environment where you can really pay attention to how your body feels. Now physiologically, there's probably a pro metabolism effect that happens from this. I think, especially when you're in a cut eating low calorie all the time probably causes the metabolic adaptation where your metabolism slows down. You're probably seeing more of that happen versus some days are lower and other days are higher and some days are even above what you're burning. And that's been my experience. I was not a lot of data to support that. There's a little bit that suggests it, but in my experience, the fluctuating seems to work better across the board. I have two different opinions on this and it depends on who I'm talking to. So I'm talking to a competitor that is getting ready for a stage which is a very small percentage of people that are listening to this. I like the consistent same calorie every single day. It's just one less variable that we're trying to figure out what happened or didn't happen in a fluctuation of weight or change in body composition. It's just this, so it's like, you eat this many calories every single day. This puts you in a surplus or deficit. Right, and so I'm looking at so many other variables. I don't want to eat that. And of course that person is expected to be measuring weighing, tracking every detail. If I'm talking to a person that is just normal general population that wants to be healthier, that wants to be fitter, I 100% am encouraging the ups and down, right? The undulating the calories where one day is higher, one day is lower, learning to adjust it based off of how busy you are, your lifestyle, how you feel better. And that's just a more sustainable way to live. That's how I live if I'm not competing, right? If I'm just eating normal, it's like, I have higher days, lower days, medium days. It's just this up and down and it's not I'm obsessing over hitting a certain amount. So it really depends on who I'm communicating as far as what the science says on it, one's better not. I think we did a video you and I did sell years ago on the little bit of science that supports the benefits of undulating, that there's probably some sort of adaption that happens if you're eating exactly the same amount of calories for a long time. And there's probably some benefits metabolically to fooling the body if you're gonna get a lot one day, less than another day. And so there probably are some, but I think that's such splitting hair difference that that's not the reason why you would do it for more psychological or lifestyle reasons. So if your general population, the answer is there is no real major difference. I think it's better and healthier for you to learn how to undulate the calories. If you are a competitor and you are like dialing in measuring and paying attention to everything, I like to keep it controlled, so. Next question is from Fitness by Sunny. As a coach, my philosophy is selling health first and fat loss and muscle gain comes as a byproduct like you guys talk about. I'm having a hard time marketing this online as selling health isn't sexy in comparison to lose 20 pounds in 90 days. Do you have any advice on how to sell or market a health first approach to an audience? I don't know if we're qualified for this. I think we're still figuring that out. We have the same challenge, bro. Well, I mean, look, we've done it well enough to get where we're at and build a business that, I think the podcast now has influenced a lot of trainers and coaches to communicate some of the ways that we do. Look, I like the way the question was answered. I have a good answer for this, I do. Okay, I'll go and then I wanna hear what you have to say, but I like the way that this question is asked because you're right, you have to sell it. You have to sell it. And like any sales competition or any business, you gotta sell what you're selling better than the other guy can sell what they're selling. So you can say, health is more important than looks. Okay, and people are gonna agree with that, but no one's gonna buy that. No one's gonna pay you money to buy that. They're gonna pay the guy or girl that says, you're gonna look hot if you do what I say. So you have to figure out a way to do this. So one way to do this is to tell people if you try to look good, it ain't gonna work. In fact, you'll look bad and you're gonna get poor health. If you try to get healthy, you're gonna look better than you did if you chased the looks and you'll get really healthy. So what am I doing is I'm doing this takeaway. This one doesn't work, this one actually works, and here's why it works. So you have to reword things and you have to communicate to people in a way that's gonna get their attention. So here's what'll happen if you try to lose 20 pounds in 90 days, that'll be a great way to show people what's wrong. Here's what happens when you improve your health and get stronger and then I would sell that. Like people have to understand that it's not fast and slow, it's yes or no. I've said this before, like it's right or wrong. One way gets you there, the other way doesn't. It's not that one way is a slow way to do it and the other way is a fast way to do it. It's literally, there is only one way to do this and that is to not sacrifice your health. You sacrifice your health, you're gonna look like shit. Bottom line, nobody who has poor health looks good and if they do, it doesn't last very long. Just maintain your integrity. I mean, it's pretty simple actually. If you're really focused on just trying to gather as much attention as possible and get popular as you can, you're doing it the wrong way. Master your craft, help as many people as possible, do your diligence in terms of like educating yourself and just be as consistent as possible with making the right moves and the right decisions because people are watching and people are way more aware and savvy now to see bullshit and I think that yes, that gets highlighted because it gets promoted and it's got all the money behind it and there's a lot of like big business that kind of drowns out a lot of the good messages but these days especially, I just feel like there's definitely a starving sort of sensation from the consumer of finding somebody who is like consistently just delivering things that maybe aren't as popular but are like true. The irony of this question is the answer is the same answer that this person's already figured out how to talk to their clients as far as the advice on how do I lose 50 pounds or how do I get in shape and it is the slower, more gradual process is the healthier, the better, the smarter way. The same thing goes for the health of your business. Instead of being so focused on acquisition, it's more focused on retention and unfortunately we live in this social media era of. It's so funny, right? He's making the same mistake these people are making. Exactly. How can I build my business faster? Exactly, it's the same exact, so the same exact questions and the reason why we've had success is because we didn't do it overnight. We didn't do the challenges. We didn't do the before and afters. Flashing the pan. And so it's taken a really long time to accumulate the mass and the success that this business has had now but the beauty is we're not going away anytime soon and that's what's cool about when you do it, the slower, better, smarter way just like with your clients and their fitness goals, it's more sustainable. They're gonna be around here long term. It's gonna be a lifestyle. The same thing goes for your business. And by the way, there's all kinds of business gurus out there. They're gonna pitch you on funnel hacks and challenges and how to make 10 grand in a month and all these things, they're gonna give you all these gimmicks to try and get you to build or scale your business. But the truth is, back to Justin's point, focus on your craft, be a good trainer, get better. The few clients that you do have, service the shit out of them and focus on retaining them because those people will go out and tell other people. This is the reason why we are terrible at actually marketing our fitness programs. The reason why we do really well is because the people that go through them, that listen to the podcast, see major changes in their life and they go tell five people. And then of those five people, three of those people see major changes and go tell five more people. And when you compile that over years and thousands of episodes that we've done this, now we've got a serious business on our hands. The same thing goes for you. It's just a slower, more gradual process. What a great example. Literally, he's asking the same question. And he's falling for the same thing that his clients fund. That's great. Next question is from the FitLife lawyer. Sal and Adam have mentioned both having ADHD and how it's been both a struggle and an asset in their business life. Do you have any strategies or tips for someone dealing with it in navigating relationships and business projects? You say that again, I wasn't paying attention. So they're really, they're really good. It's all self-diagnosis. No, no, I got real-diagnosis. Yeah, he has real. I have an official one. I have self. I don't know if I am or not. Same guy gave you the marijuana. But I think I feel like you, I feel like you had the same guy chasing that. What a roll. You're probably right, bro. You're probably right. Hey, you work with me, bro. You're legit. I don't have. No, I do. I'm just saying. I mean, here's it. Well, first of all, I think there's two, this is two things. Relationships and business projects, I feel like have a little bit different advice, right? On how you would handle ADHD, right? The business project one, this goes back to what I say all the time is what I thought was the single best advice that anyone ever gave me in business, which was stop focusing on all the things that I'm not good at. Focus on the thing that I'm already good at and be fucking great. That piece of advice, because if you do have ADHD, you see you get distracted really easy. And when someone's telling you, you're not good at this, you're not good at that, you're not good at this, you start your scatterbrains, squirrel, squirrel, squirrel, all over the place. One of the things that is good about ADHD is that when you do get locked in on something, you get super locked in. Yeah, then everything else goes away. So, you know, it's easy. It's to lock in on the thing that you're good at. So lock in on what you're good at and be fucking great, double, triple down at that and become a master at whatever that thing is. And don't stress so much on all the other things. Outsource and delegate. The data, by the way, shows that I think it's close to 80% of entrepreneurs would qualify as being diagnosed on that spectrum of ADHD. And that's not the normal population. ADHD does not make up 80% population. So there's a self-selection bias, essentially. So now you ask yourself, what is it that makes entrepreneurs entrepreneurs? Well, first off, they like autonomy. They're risk takers. ADHD, the theory around it and why we have it in the first place is it probably evolved as a way to get people to take risks, to seek out novelty, to hyper-focus. These are all potential strengths. All right, what are the weaknesses? Disorganize, you can be very disorganized, you can be very forgetful, you can be distracted. So what do these successful entrepreneurs with ADHD do? They hire people to do this shit they don't like to do. That's the fact, that's it. Like you hire people to do this stuff that you suck at. If you're disorganized, hire someone to do your organization. If you suck at your scheduling, hire someone to do your scheduling. And like Adam said, if you're good at the thing that you're good at, do that, because nobody's gonna do that than you are. Now as far as relationship is concerned, this is a tough one. The more your partner understands what this form of neurodivergence, this kind of category, what it entails, the less likely they are to take it personal when you forget things or you, all of a sudden they're talking to you halfway through the while they're talking to you. It seems like you're not paying attention anymore or you go off or you forgot what they said or whatever. And it could be people can take it personal. Like you don't care about me. You're not paying attention. I've asked you this 17 times, like what's going on? Why can't you just do this thing? So I would encourage you to have your partner learn about this so they could kind of understand it. And then also understand your strengths. There are positives and negatives to something like this. There are for most things. So Even more importantly, and I think, I think Sal you're really good at this. And so I think this is important advice than having your partner go do their own homework is that it's communicating it. I think you do an owning it. You do a really good job of owning the flaws that come with ADHD, right? Like, he doesn't try and mask it or pretend like he's not, you know, like that I think that's the mistake that I think someone has. Defend yourself. Like there's an ongoing joke on the podcast, right? That I always talk about how Sal can't be in a meeting for more than five. That's a true story. Like he literally can't sit in a meeting for more than five, 10 minutes before he's spitting his fingers or he's on his phone or he's doing something else. And if you didn't know that he has that, it would be really frustrating. And if he didn't admit it and own it and be like, man, I'm really bad. I'm so sorry. You guys know I'm really bad. And so we've learned to try and work around that. God bless you guys. Versus getting frustrated, Matt. And a lot of the reason why that is is purely the ownership of it. Because if you didn't take ownership of it and you denied it or you acted a lot or you got defensive about it, then it would be a major problem. So if you are this way and you know that you have these flaws and because of these you get distracted when you're talking to your friends or your wife or whatever it may be. Like you got to own it. Don't get defensive. And you got to be able to communicate to them. Like I'm sorry, like, you know, this is one of my weaknesses. Yeah, be honest. Here's what I was doing. Here's what my mind was. I got all these things going on. That's been a constant thing in my relationship. I've had to learn how to openly verbalize, right? It's not just living in my head and I'm going and doing my tasks like I could normally do. And that's where I get hyper focused is like I just bury myself in it. I don't want anybody else that I need to explain anything to. So it's just like acknowledging what your tendencies are with that and being more vocally communicating with your partner. And again, being successful helps. Yeah. Once you get to that point, it all gets easy. I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Look at our bank account. See what happens? I think there's a vacation. Here's another one too. Like with, you know, because obviously we're all partners is when the opportunity arises for me to be able to do the thing that I know I'm good at. That's right. It goes back to the. I really take pride in doing that thing because now I can contribute, right? Because I know I don't contribute in certain areas because it's just very, it's hard, frustrating, whatever doesn't work. But then when it's time for me to do the thing that I know that I do well, I'm so excited to be able to step up and contribute in that way. I think it works for relationships. That's great piece of advice right there because there's gonna be examples in your home where, you know, you're terrible at it. You can get distracted left, right, or whatever like that and you got to be able to communicate that to your wife or your partner. And the things that you are good at letting her or him know that, listen, I'm gonna carry this for us. I know I'm really bad when you ask me to do these things and I'm gonna keep working on trying to be better for that. But what I am gonna commit to you and promise you is that like, I know this is an area that you don't like to do or that I'm really good at or something like that. And I'm gonna really carry it and like letting them know that and then doing that, right? And then taking pride in knowing that like, hey, listen, this is something that, this is how I make up for my inability to do X, Y and Z because I get distracted. I will say this though, some strategies that can help that I have identified for myself and I've read about and I think this is kind of somewhat across the board is create routines. Routines can be practiced and it can help you to not forget. So, you know, I do this first thing in the morning and I do this thing and then my keys always go here. My keys always, always go here. And if I don't, if I have in my hand, I don't put them down unless I can put them down right there. I always do this thing right before I go to bed. Exercise helps a lot. Diet helps a lot. Sleep helps a lot. The worse my health gets, the harder everything else gets along those lines. So good health, regardless of your situation always makes things a lot better. Look, if you love our show and you're a trainer, if you're a coach or a trainer, you gotta come check out our free three-day training series. Literally, January 15th is the first day. There's two days after that and I'm gonna teach and coach trainers on how to be better and I'm gonna have some announcements to make as well. You can sign up for it, it's free for now. Okay, so if you go right now, it's still free. Later on it might be charged but right now you can go, it's mindpumptrainer.com. If you're a trainer or coach and you wanna learn how to be more effective and more successful, go sign up. Again, it's mindpumptrainer.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump, Justin. I'm at Mind Pump to Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam.