 According to the 20, whatever it is, 20, 26, watch me work, we're back, we were away, now we're back. And it's exciting because this is where we talk about you and your creative process and what we're going to do is we what we've been doing for the last however many years like 14 years 15 years something like that. We work together, and then we talk about your work or I take questions from you about your creative process, and we're going to work together for 20 minutes and should you after it when the timer sounds, and it's question time. Should you have any questions, Lolly will tell you how to get in touch. So if you're here with us on zoom, you can ask questions by clicking the raise your hand button which should be in the reactions tab, likely on the bottom of your screen but if you have any trouble finding it you can just message me in the chat and I'll help you out. If you're watching the live stream with us on howl round feel free to send your questions via the public theaters Twitter or Instagram accounts, or via the watch me work Twitter account which is at watch me work SLP with the hashtag howl round that's hashtag. Howl round the WL, our own D. Fantastic. Okay. 26 of June, and we have 20 minutes we're going to work together for 20 minutes here we go. That is time. You're muted SLP. Just pushing the wrong button. Yeah. All right. So now comes the dialogue part of the show. And then the dialogue. Any questions. Any answers. Looks like we have a Lou and then we'll do Kimmy. Hey, it's good to see you. My questions I was just doing the session and I was totally vibing on the session. And I felt like I was plugged into some other place. It was a flow it felt so good. And right when it was over I was like, man. I wish I could always do that. And I guess my question is, can I always do that. And why is it so hard most of the time. And what is it that happens when it just eases up. And you talk sometimes, you know, about yoga and breathing and I just, my question today is like, how do I just get there? I think because it's rainy because I've been relaxing today. I didn't push myself too hard today. You know, it's my birthday this week. I'm turning 50 on Thursday. What is that date? I don't have my calendar with me. 29th. Congratulations. Yay. Yay. I think I'm feeling a little just like. You know, but I'm working on a book project and I want to write all the time. And sometimes it just feels like I'm. Hanging my head on the wall, you know, I've been talking about that with you. But today just felt smooth. I don't know. How do I find that? How do I just find that? Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, I'm just going back. So, you know, like, can you do it all the time? Yeah. Can you know that you're doing it all the time? Maybe not. You know, yeah. Like, are you breathing all the time? Yeah. Do you know that you're breathing all the time? Right. So, so maybe the trick, maybe not the trick, but maybe one of the answers is. Take what comes. You know, like some days. It's there. Some days, the flow feels like a flow. And some days the flow doesn't feel like a flow, but it's still the flow. Flow might not always feel flowy. Okay. Like they say in gypsy, you know, the music, I've got to take the rough with the smooth or what? I think that's from gypsy. If it's not, I don't know, it's from somewhere. Got to take the rough with the smooth, you know, and, and it's like, but what you can do, I think every day, which you probably do already lose, you show up at your work, your writing station, right? And you. You do the thing. And that's, that's, that's what it is. And some days it feels. Some days it's rainy and you like the rain. And some days it's sunny and you don't like the sun or some days it's rainy and you don't like the rain and. Yeah. And maybe I wouldn't, maybe I wouldn't have flowed today. If I didn't. Find it's stickier three days. Like we don't know, right? It feels right. It feels like the flow is where I want it. Like I'm like, this is where I want to be, you know, but. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. To your point, if I wasn't working all the time in some form or fashion, maybe I guess we just don't know. We just have to show up, right? I think you treat. Yeah. And the tricky thing is when we think. This is when it's right. Is then you're going like, so I don't like it when it's. Hard. I like it when I'm on easy street. I only want to be on East. And that's a little, I mean. In my experience and. You know, I, I really. Work to. Take it as it comes. That doesn't mean that I don't like pull my hair. I'd go. You know, like that, but just to realize that. You know, I mean, really. Not all plays get written in three days. Hmm. Yeah, they don't. And that's really fun to remember. They don't, you know. Some take years. You know, and that's, but they're no less. Like right or good or whatever they're, they're all good. Yeah. I'm really, you know, the. Culture of production and capitalism is in, is in me. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's, it's tricky. And also the culture of comparing, you know, I mean, I don't know if you go on social media and someone goes, look at me. I'm on a beach with a glass of wine or whatever. A chocolate because I just finished my novel in seven days. And look at my, my hair looks really good too. You know, and that's really difficult. To, to deal with. So I suggest you don't look at those people. Yeah, I look at them a lot less. I'm getting better. Yeah. They don't help you, do they? No, and they don't care about me. They don't care about, they don't help you. And they're, they're probably if they have to, you know, if you have to do a lot of that self promotion kind of stuff, I mean. You're probably not as happy as you're putting out there that you are. Yeah. You're getting a lot of that too. You're getting, you're getting a lot of that self promotion. You're getting a lot of that self promotion. You're being very discontented. Disconnect between what they portray. Look at me. Here I am again, doing something. And what you're, you're vibing. This person is not happy. And there's a disconnect. And yet you have to. Buy what they're. Offering you because you don't have any evidence to the contrary. But yet. And still it causes this great disconnect. Yeah. My manuscript has the new title on it is I don't. That's interesting. Well, that's interesting. Yeah, we'll see where that goes, but yeah, like the title. Thanks. Yeah, because I used to work in advertising, right? So there's a lot of dissent. But, but yeah, I think it's just more of the same, right? Just pen to paper, eyes on your own paper and just trust the process. I mean, I think that's where I am today, but it was fun today. I guess so thank you for the space because I was like, it was fun. It was fun. Yeah, it's fun. It can be fun. It can be difficult. Yeah, I still don't, I still haven't stopped though. Right. But that's, that's, and that's. That's the great thing, right? Yeah, I'm pretty proud of that. Yeah. That's, that's, I mean, we saw when we say every day, we say, I showed up. I did a little. You know, I personally took away. I took it away. I didn't take it away. I didn't take it away. Right. It's good. We're adding to. Whichever, whichever way you're going is both. Yeah. Yeah. I showed up. I made an effort. No effort is ever wasted. Says the bug of a Gita summer in there. No effort is ever wasted. Thank you so much. It's so great to see you. Likewise. All right. Thank you. I'll take all that in. No, we all will. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Kimmy D. You're next. And then we'll have Dr. J. After you. Hey, Kimmy, how you doing, girl? Oh, sorry. Hi, I'm hanging in. It's nice to see you. Sorry, I cried all over you when I met you. It was great to meet in person or see you in person again. I was so excited when I met you. And then when you won, I was so excited and my husband and I, he's like, I know it's, it's, it's helping. So, so, so it's just wonderful to have you in my life on any level. And am I, my cohorts that show up. So as you know, I've been through hell the last several months and. I've been able to go to grad school for playwriting for dramatic writing. Congratulations. Thank you. And. And I was thinking mostly NYU because that's always been my heart, you know, to just, to get into NYU if that's possible. And because I've been looking at the program and they have a, you know, a standup comedian, specifically on faculty and they have a little, I actually had a meeting. I was standing downstairs and I said, I, I'm here. Can I get in? And they, they just, I sat down and had a little chat with the academic advisor. So it was really, it was great. And I, I don't have a vision board, but I went and bought myself an NYU sweatshirt. Oh, that's great. That's great. And so I guess I'm getting nervous about. The application like this, you know, writing about yourself and that's never been my, I can write about myself in the abstract, like in the play that I wrote, but I can't seem to find comfort in writing about myself in the personal statement. That's kind of a, a stickler and, and at 61, you have a lot of stuff to jam in a way. So obviously I can't put, I don't want to put 75 pages. I just want to put one page and, and, and I don't have that much, that much experience in theater, but that's, it's really what I wanted to, I want to be in the theater. I just, I saw like 10 plays when I was in the city. I was on the rush line every day. So I saw several plays when I was there. I was leaving the Jersey shore coming to the city to relax. That shows you how much. So if you can guide me in any way, I would be so grateful. With a, with your application. Yeah. I don't know. I just think you should just write it and put yourself out there. I mean, I don't know. I don't, I'm not part of the application process over there. But, you know, all, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I think we get all kinds of students from all over the world and all. Do you teach there? I do. I do. Oh my God. I'm so excited. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I think you just need to fill out the paperwork. I mean, I, I didn't go to grad school. I didn't ever apply to grad school. So I don't know, but I think if you just, you got a deadline probably, right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Tell them who you are and why you want to be there. I guess. I mean, I, I don't. I know it's a weird thing. I just. At 61, I have tried everything I know to. Get my work in front of somebody and that hasn't worked. So I thought, okay, and I know what I need. For sure is structure. I have no problem with dialogue and imagining and everything else. And I've never heard of the discipline in which my work will be. Recognized and taken seriously. And I don't have that, that structure. I don't have. And I know that it's different. I mean, I've read you. I've read Neil Simon. I've read. Stopper. I've read all these wonderful people. And it's different in every place. So I know. As much as there's structure, there's a lot of ways of that as well. But I think you have to know the rules to break them. Right. So. That's the only way that and career development. And being put in front of people. I see no other way. As to how to get my work. Out there. So I, and I just thought that. I would be very inspired being in New York. And surrounded by cohorts. And it's a good, it's a, it's a decent program. You know, people come in there needing a lot of different things wanting to get in the TV stuff and all that. So it. It is. It's a joyful program and it's also can not fulfill everybody's desires. So as much as you know what you want and what you're looking for, and then, you know, make sure that they can help you get what you need. You know, you know, you know, you know, because I right now anyway, it does not have a big. Getting your work in front of people kind of thing. They don't produce a lot of student plays. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Columbia or. I think Yale, you know, so other programs in the new school. Hunter. But anyway, but right, you're, you know, you're a great. Hope to see you soon. Thank you. Thanks, Kevin. Next we have Dr. J. Dr. J. It is so wonderful to be here. I am. I've been long. Hello, I've been long to probably about six or seven different writing groups. And my thing, I've been writing since I was about three or four years old, really. Literally. I'm from Detroit originally. I write a lot about Detroit and my experiences there. I'll write a lot about my experiences in Cambridge, Massachusetts, living in between Harvard University and MIT, which sometimes makes me want to. Upchuck, but at any rate, I'm working on a play. It deals with the homeless people in Cambridge and how Harvard and MIT and their students and all of the biotech people around. Because you know, this is the biotech place. I'm telling you, talk about billionaires. I mean, we have. So my point is, and what I wanted to share with everyone is that I always glean so much from listening to writers talk about their process. And for me, as a poet, my process is always spiritual. And it is always, you know, writing. Using a pencil and a pad. My process for other types of writing. Journalism. You know, gathering information. Playwriting, you know, visualizing myself. As a character. In the play and writing from there, but I'm just interested always in listening to writers and listening to their process. I find it very, very empowering for me. I also like it because I find that it's so often non competitive. And I'm involved in a lot of different programs here in Boston at Emerson College, where I was in. I had a program MFA program some years ago and had to drop out because my sister was murdered. And I just couldn't, I just couldn't take it anymore. So I just, I just left. I understand as a college professor, especially working in urban environment, why a lot of my students just up and leave. And you don't hear from them. I know what that feels like because I know what it felt like for me. After all those years with all of those years when my sister was murdered. And I remember what it felt like for me, which also I'm going to leave into some of my writing when I was in a graduate program and PhD program at Harvard. And I lost my mother unexpectedly. I asked for a leave of absence and they wouldn't grant it to me because they really didn't want me in the program. So they told me, you have to, you have to finish your, this was in July, they told me in October, you will be taking your qualifying exams for the PhD. And I was like, I don't have any exceptions. And I know they wanted me to fail. And it must have been my mother's spirit that was on my shoulders because when it came around and I took the exam. And I passed it. It was like, you know how people give you an applause or some kudos, but you can tell that they're disingenuous. And I only did this because I had to. So I just say all that to say, I'm really interested. And I'm happy to be here and I'm really interested to hear what everyone has to say. You have very, very interesting faces. And I want to hear these stories that go along with those faces. Thank you so much. Thanks man. Thank you so much. Thank you, Dr. J. And welcome. Up next, we have Drake. Hey, Drake, where is Drake? There you are. Hey there. What's going on, right? Yeah, I have been kicking around. An idea for a play that I've been slowly writing over the past few months. A few months, but I've. They, I guess I should like provide a little bit of. It's, I think it comes a lot from, like, a lot of. Recent discoveries and especially like a personal. Discovery and kind of. Like dealing with specific like deep rooted traumas. And kind of bringing that up and, and. Using that to kind of go into. Like writing this, this thing. And I'm really excited about it. And I've been writing and writing, writing, and I know that like, I mean, everyone's process is different. And it's been a very non-linear process. It's not like a, it hasn't been a start to finish kind of thing. It's been very scattered around all over the place. And I guess. My question because I know like I have to be patient and it's something that I kind of have to find. And I can't really. Like make it happen. It just kind of has to happen as I keep. Moving further in the process. And I guess my question is. How, how does one keep writing and progressing in a project without it feeling forced because like, I can't just like. Put it away. Like I definitely want to keep going. I just. Yeah, I'm having trouble lately, like. I'm just continuously working on it without it feeling like I'm working on this because I have to keep going. It has to be. Done rather than. I don't know. Well, it sounds like, I mean, after the initial, maybe. The beginning part of it where it felt like good and yeah, I want to do this. You've hit a sort of. Patch in the road where it's. Like Lou would say the flow isn't as flowy, you know. And, and. There, what's important, Drake, is that do you, do you have a set time for your writing every day? Give or take yes, like not like penciled out, but usually at the same time at the same duration every day. Yes. Right. Okay. Great. So great. That's a really important to keep. That's like a date with your writing self, right? You can't stand up. You can't stand that person up that entity, right? Also, you can shorten the time. Do you, do you work with some kind of timer or a stopwatch or a timer on your phone or. No, I don't. How do you know the same duration? Cause you can kind of feel it. Go by pages. What are you doing? It's kind of like a, like a self check process. Like I kind of write and write and, and knock around ideas and throw things at walls until they stick out. Until I kind of like, until the ideas and kind of what I'm adding is. Not productive anymore in the sense of like this. Maybe I've been running for two and a half to three hours and I write something absolutely insane. That's when I kind of know it's like, okay, maybe it's time to take a little break. Right. So great, great. So what if you, I mean, the thing is it's all over the place. You're not sure. You're not sure. You're not sure. But one thing that we, that I tend to do when things are kind of all over the places, I start to create some structures. Which help just focus. It's just focus. And also it's like, if you know that you're doing four laps around the track, you know, or you know that you're only writing for say 20 minutes or only writing for one hour, then you can just focus. You know, instead of two or three hours, kind of sort of every day, you do an hour a day. You set your timer preferably not your phone, preferably something, not like this, but you know, an egg timer that just does this. And you set your timer and you sit there and you work an hour every day. And then you go and do whatever you want. You know, something else, something more fun. Right. And then just keep at it. And some days it's going to be flowy and wonderful. It's going to be not so great. And maybe, or maybe not, maybe it'll just all be wonderful. Hopefully. And when it gets a little sticky and a little difficult, maybe cut down the time a little bit. It's like if you're going for a run, right? You're training for a marathon. You go out, you run a mile, great. You run three miles the next day, great. Yeah, you kind of feel a little tired. You just go run a mile. Okay. And you just stick with it. Sometimes it will feel forced. That doesn't mean it's wrong. We have these ideas. Of what the artistic process should look like. Feel like, you know, sound like, you know what I mean? And we have those ideas in our head or they're given to us by media or Instagram or a combination of all these things. And we think if we're not doing it that way, then it must be wrong. And yeah, not helpful. Okay. Because sometimes it feels, sometimes it feels forced. Yeah. I mean, like you're with someone you love, sometimes you don't have anything to say. Conversation feels for it. It's what it's marriage day, 190,000 million. You know, it's okay. And you just show up the next day. And like Lou was saying, the rough, maybe the rough stuff, you got to go over a little bit of rough stuff to get to a better place, a place with a more flowy flow, you know. Okay. Yeah, thank you. That helps a lot. Thank you so much. You can also give yourself a little deadline, like by, I don't know, name a date, what September the first or something. I'm going to have a draft, you know, just set, set structures around it. So that you can sense I'm going to be working on this till whatever September the first or August the first or August the 15th or whatever. You know, because the marathon, you know how long it is. You don't like just go out there and run. Even an ultra marathon. They're like, they don't like to go out there and run. They're like, you're going to run this far. You know, and then you're going to be done. So give yourself a little. Some, some structure that could help. Especially when you're dealing with, as you said, some traumatic things, you know, structure helps. When you're dealing with traumatic things and personal things that are traumatic. Okay. Yeah, thank you. And this is one of your structural pieces. So this watch me work, come to watch me work. And even if you don't say anything. And if you don't want to turn on your camera, you just sit here. This is one of your structural elements. You know, it keeps you kind of in the zone. Of getting your writing done. Awesome. Thank you. Yeah, that's all I had. Well, thank you, Drake. Good questions. Thank you, Drake. And next we have a jar or a horror. Yeah, it's anything as fine as Azure actually, but. Yeah, hello. I'm called a variety of stuff. A jar that works everything. But yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. When you said last, I mean, it just resonating because I was like, oh my gosh, like my question action regards. Let me see my question and then preface it. But my question is like any advice for playwrights who. Are not pursuing. A graduate program and your journey with that. And also thank you for what you said about the flow and the flow. I made it. I made it in theater. I was doing acting and then I did a creative writing thing, but I'm also an African study scholar and researcher, so I'm doing my PhD in acting culture studies right now. So there's a lot of difference. So I'm trying to like, I don't know, you know how you marry the things together, don't marry together, whatever they say it in the English. And the advice for a playwright is not pursuing, like, you know, who's not pursuing a graduate. It's like, I worry about, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not doing graduate degree in playwriting. I should. I shouldn't, but I'm like, you know, what I want to write about is what I'm doing now, essentially in ways. So any advice, any advice, please. Yeah, it's, it's weird. I mean, I didn't go to grad school like a hundred years ago. So that was back in the day when a lot of people were going to go to grad school and I was like, why? Like that. I was like, why? So, you know, but now it seems like it's a real sort of way to, to teach, which is a wonderful option. And you, someone was telling me the other day, I don't know if it's true or not, but that you need a graduate degree to, to teach in academia, you know, in college, which I didn't know because I've been teaching a long time with no degree, but, and the second thing it's the, the career path is kind of discussed, outlined and sort of featured a feature like how to do that, how to liaison, how to get to know people who run theaters, how to get to know people who are putting together writers rooms and for TV shows or things like that. So that's a great thing. And also, as Kimmy was talking about a little earlier, the cohort, the sort of a group of people who are also writers, and you can support each other, cheer each other on things like that. So those are good reasons. And it depends what kind of writer you are, you know, and yeah, because, in my experience watching my students, which I, I provide them a special thing, which they don't really get in grad school too much. But I sort of give them the artistic context because so much of playwriting I learned by just being out there, St. Mark's Poetry Project, like on the court, you know, doing poets theater downtown off off off Broadway. And now more young writers I meet, like they want to go to Broadway. Maybe my first play would go to Broadway. You know, I'm like, wow, that's not, you know, but, but that's a thing they want. So it depends. When it comes to like, I'm starting to rub, but when it comes to like, Broadway, I would love that. That would be great. But for me, my kind of writing, I'm like, I want to, like something you did like, I always watch your million one suggestions talk. And something that you did that really inspired me is 365 plays 365 days. And I want to do something within that realm, but in regards to Africa. And like traveling around like half theater on the streets, half theater in buildings, different things like that. So I think Broadway is great. But my, when I think about theater and plays, I don't, for me, New York. I mean, because I've studied in Berlin. I've studied in London. I've worked at Barrington stage company. So my idea of theater. I'm like, I think New York is okay. But I'm like, if I don't do theater in New York, I'll be five months. I get my work out there. So go somewhere that'll be great. But I want to be able to get it out to as many different places, different venues. But New York for me is not the goal to get my work out and write about what I care about. And there's many different places, whatever vibes at the time is also places that will work for me to commune with others is what that's my kind of writer type thing. You know, that that's great. So all the more reason to, you know, to do that, then, you know, to, I mean, to, to, to, obviously everybody on this zoom knows to be a writer, to be a creative person. There's one thing you got to do. You got to create. You can't. And not to say that you are, you know, but we can't sit around and talk about creating. That's what people do at cocktail parties that you, you talk to and they go, Oh, I have a play in me. I always wanted to write a novel. I've got talent. You know, you're great. Then write it, go write it. You know, so you got to go and you got to write, write, write all your stuff and you got to go out to those venues that you're interested in. And create that kind of theater. You know, and, and the graduate degree is like, yeah, you're not getting a PhD in physics right now either. You know, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know if a graduate degree would actually help you achieve those goals. You know, so go and do that. You know, you can always circle back and get a graduate degree like a cherry on top kind of thing. You can always do that in a couple of years doing theater the way making theater the way you want to, and then you can come back and do graduate school graduate school will be here. You know, there's so many programs to go to and so many wonderful people at them and so many wonderful groups for you to be a part of. We just got to show up and do our writing every day. That's the most important thing. I would try even when it's not fluid because sometimes it's just not fluid. Well, anyway, show up anyway. Then you're a pro. I'm telling you. That's what the pros do. We show about we just keep showing up. Thank you. We have about five minutes left if anyone has one last question. Hey, Rebecca. Hey, Rebecca. Hi. Hey, S O P. Hi, everyone. I, I've been in meetings all day. I came in late. I'm sorry. I missed the earlier parts. Just wanted to check in and say, you know, I'm. I've been trying to submit some things and at the same time, prepare them for my own. Medium and. Good. Good. Substack. Yeah. And it's. The next, the next thing I'm working on, I realized I, you know, I haven't, I had a writing group during the pandemic that I participated in. And they've all sort of drifted off. We had this zoom. And that's still set up twice a week. And I, you know, I go on about once a week, my regular day, and there's never anyone there. So, so, you know, just. And, you know, I remember when I actually, when I did my MFA, that it was like, well, you just joined the most expensive writing group, you know, in the world. And that's, and, and that's, it was great. And that's what it really was in a lot of ways. Right. So, so that's, you know, I'm. Trying to figure out support and accountability. For all of the, for all of the other systems. For myself. Because. You know, I work. I work not quite full time, but because the work is stressful. There's and kind of isolating. There's a whole. You know, piece of that. I, I need to problem solve around how But in the old days, I was in a writing group with a playwright, a poet, a mystery writer, and that was really, really great for me. I don't have to only, and I do not nonfiction, so it's not like I only need other nonfiction writers. So, just trying to reflect on what's been helpful in the past and what I think might be helpful now, so that's my check-in. Sounds good. I like that you're continuing to sort of develop your stuff for your medium and your future sub-stack because you've been working on these beautiful projects for a while now, so it's good to hear that they're ready to be sent out, you know, it's exciting, it's exciting. But also, so you can start a new writer's group, would that be helpful, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I plan to check in with the folks who I was writing with during the pandemic and see who still wants to meet. Most of them are academics, so then things get complicated for them. And then sort of, you know, there's actually some resources, I don't like Facebook, but I'm back on a little bit because there are some potential resources of finding other people to write with there. But when I, you know, here in New York now, I don't have as many contacts with other writers as I did when I lived in Boston, so that's also, so some of it is just getting out there to reading some stuff. Oh, he's waving his hand, but is he waving his hand because he lives in Boston or is he waving his hand because he's raised his hand? Who's that? I'm waving my hand because I'm in Boston. Boston? Sister Johnson, I'm also at Johnson, which is, you know, we can do something together. That's a writing club right there, I mean that's what I'm talking about. That sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that very seriously, RJ, you know. Okay. Wait, wait, it's 6 o'clock, Lord have mercy. Yeah. Well, let me just have a second to, I'm on my phone, so this always takes longer. Could you put your phone in the chat? Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. Great. Yeah. Rebecca. And anybody else? I mean, you're thinking of in person, Rebecca? No, I'm fine on Zoom. In person is great. Yeah, get everybody's info and then you can, you know, create a, or you can actually read from your work because we don't do that here, but you know. Yeah. Yeah. In a, in a writer's group. Definitely. And then. Let me see if I can copy this. Well, brother Johnson. I think I have copied your. I think it's done. Okay. Okay. Got that information. It was in the chat. Right. My good. You have another email in the chat. I'll save them all as well. Cool. Make sure someone else has them. Perfect. Perfect. Okay. All right. Hey. Have a wonderful week. Yeah. Are we back on this? What are our dates? We don't know. We need to talk about future dates, but they will be online very soon. Thank you. Thank you all. Bye. Bye.