 the news, come right in to Stump the Chumps, July edition, same game, same name. Easy for you to say. Yeah, but what do you call this show? What have we decided to do for this month? Well, if Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon can do it, we're going to, a year in review her. Oh. We're going to look back on our, we had a one year anniversary last year, we got no cake, we got nothing. I see no picture on the screen right now. I hope we're still on, but I imagine we are. We have the graphics. Graphics. Watch what you're saying. We're going to cut away folks for about 16 minutes of pre-filmed intro for our show. And then we'll be back and await your phone calls to give us some questions. We've got some swell surprises for good answers to our questions and from good questions from you. And by the way, look at the hairdo. Look at that hairdo. Why didn't you notice? Oh, I did. I saw the reflection of mine off your skull. Yeah, well, okay. Hold on, we can take care of that. Good friend, Walter Wood at Metropolitan Hair. You did a terrific job. You can't say that I'm here. Well, I just did. Here, how's that? Good makeup. And we need more support from sponsors in the way of goods and services. And we gladly accept it and will pass on such to our viewers. So, we'll be back in about 16 minutes, as I said. We hope you enjoy the tape. And then you'll come back and you'll play live with us, Stump the Chumps. You went off five seconds too soon. Well, I'm close enough. At the beginning, if you can believe it folks, Stump the Chump program that will be aired on Wednesday, July 8th. But we're here on July 3rd at the corner of Maine and South Union streets in front of Memorial Auditorium. And I am providing my services here for the young couple here, Walter from Boston and Corinne. Where are you from? Cape Cod. Cape Cod. Massachusetts come up here to Northern New England and want to start life for themselves and have agreed to be married. In front of Channel 17's audiences will be on tape. You can come in and get a copy of it. Walter and Corinne. And I'm serious. I am the official justice of the piece. I selected a short poem here. It's called On Your Wedding Day. But a voice is floating around me and it tells me in my breast that sunshine shall allume thy path. That joy shall be thy guest. That thy life shall be a summer's day. Whose evening shall go down like the evening in the eastern climb that never knows a frown. When thy foot is at the altar, when the ring hath pressed thy hand, when those you love and those that love you weeping round you stand, O may the rhyme that friendship weaves like a spirit of the air be or the at that moment for a blessing and a prayer. I'll ask you, Walter. Do you promise Corinne that from this day onward she will be your wife and you will stand with her in sickness and in health. Enjoy and sorrow and do you pledge to her your respect and your love? Yes, I do. All right. You're not exchanging rings. You don't have to. You have to get married and get in jewels I just not gifts but merely apologies for gifts. The only true gift is a portion of yourself. So we don't really need any witnesses but we do have our cameraman who is filming this. A lot of people will be witnessing this. A lot of people will be witnessing this Wednesday. Therefore by the power vested in me according to the laws of the state of Vermont. And most of all, by the power of your own love, I do now pronounce and declare you to be husband and wife. You may kiss the bride. Congratulations to both of you, a long and happy married life together. We just stopped on his noon hour and he's been gracious enough to donate some of his time to us and his burger here is getting cold. George Roland, a local of now about what, twenty years George? Twenty-two years. Son of a gun from across the lake over at Platsburg. Right. George is this guy on sports trivia. He knows his stuff. He's been official scorer for many softball teams, basketball leagues, he doesn't know that. He's the four of my time. It's engraved in granite somewhere. Tombstone for somebody. George, we're looking for Church Street Trivia. And you were telling me a couple of things you might throw out here for our audience. Okay, I picked up this the last time we had a trivia contest. You mentioned the old A&W on Church Street, and you mentioned Lewings after that which it is now. But what place was it in between, the A&W and Lewings? Right, it was another fast food type of thing, sit down diner. What was the name of that one? That's a good question George. A trivia question for you. It was owned by a softball player. A good one, good little hint there. Anything else on Church Street that sticks out for a trivia type question? Where was Jean's north located at the time of the fire on Church Street? And it had to relocate across the street. Good question. Good question George. I know. Our cameraman knows, but those are two good questions to start off. Does he know the address number? He doesn't know that. Here's one. We'll put this one on the tape, Al. I want to know, this is subjective folks, who was the meanest guy behind the booth there in the post office where Courthouse Square is now on Main Street. The old post office building, who was the meanest guy behind the counter? Why did you think he was meaner? Because he would throw stance at you, and if you were lucky, you'd throw change back at you. And then, 10 people could be waiting in line and he would get great pleasure from slapping that sign with the arrow saying, next counter. You could be waiting there forever. Have you ever relocated to the new post office location? I don't believe so, but he is around the area. He writes letters to the editor, lives in Essex. If that's a clue to our audience, the one I'm thinking of, you may have your own personal choices. I know some of your personal choices. George, way back here at Courthouse Square, there used to be a strong hardware company located in the corner. Before your time, I'm asking our audience, named three long time employees of strong hardware company. No relation to strong theater at all? Oh, well, obviously in the strong block. Okay, that was the name of the building. I want to know three tenants that had offices in the strong block building. Well, now we have succeeded in turning that hot butt of yours into a ice cold product. We never got a definitive answer when they closed Church Street through traffic. I quit working at Andres in 81. Where was Andres? There's a good one. Where was Andres located on Church Street? Now Andres closed in 81, so it was before 81. You're talking maybe 79, 80? Maybe early 81. I say late 80, early 81. There's George's guests, and I don't know. I don't argue with them with batting averages or field goal percentage shooting. Okay, thanks again for joining us. I want him to answer this one. Question from the cameraman. Okay. Who was the most obnoxious softball manager of all time? Come on. Immediately it comes to mind. He's still alive walking the streets. Give it out the name. WB? Give it out. Mr. Wayne Burdell? There it is. Without any hesitation at all. All right. Again, George, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it. We're rolling. Okay. Ironically enough, I asked the question about who was the meanest guy working in the old post office at the counter? And who do we encounter on George Street? Most obnoxious mailman. Oh, no. He's the one. He never gets his day. Yeah, but you never get the whole route complete in time, sir, because you're always stopped by all the young lovelies walking up and down on your route. PR. PR. It's important. He does a good job for the post office. This is Peter Ake, the brother of Mark Ake, or I should say Mark Ake is Peter's brother. Yes, yes. And for Church Street, we want to know the name of the establishment that was located where Ake's place is now. Church Hills. Oh, you think that's right? I don't know. I don't know either, but it was a bar, right? He gave out a quick response. He probably is wrong. You know. I got to go. Don't put this on the air. Yes. Don't tell it. Yes. Yeah. My hero. Nobody. I am not worthy. I made you pick up last night, you son of a... Now it's my second year. Thanks, guy. Yeah, but... While you're filling your orders, we want you to think of a nice trivia question. This is Stump the Chumps on Church Street. Stump the Chumps? Stump the Chumps. Oh, boy, I'm a big one. So, no, no. We want to know about some buildings or people or nicknames of some of the old locals here. Can you think of any questions that would stump our audience? Oh, dear. I know you could provide some interesting stories about some... Many years ago, it was in the Capitol Stationers building. Beautiful. That's the type of question we want. That's the type you want, okay. Yeah. How about who has a record for eating the most hot dogs in one sitting right here? Could you name one person? Not one person, no, because I have had young people stand and come back for six or seven. I have no idea who they are. Wow. No idea at all. Should we check with the medical center? What center? Check with the medical center to see who they were. They don't know. They don't know. Now, I notice you also at no extra charge provide entertainment with some music in the background. We call it... Tootling, yes. Any resemblance between actual melodies and his renditions are purely accidental. Is that correct? I refuse to comment. Give me a second and down. You can film me. You want to ask? I'm still rolling here. I want to ask our viewers to come up with the names of what businesses used to be located here in this area of Church Street. It's the block where one... You know where we are here. Front of Woolworths? Yeah. In Burlington Square. What businesses used to be in here? Any stories about... I'd like to know actual positions. Well, you remember where you had to go to find the photography section where you went to pick up your pictures in Woolworths, but part of the store? Yeah. Well, usually they had a section in this particular part of the store. They used to do tint pictures. You didn't have color photography back in the old days, but they used to hand tint pictures for you. Where was that section of the store? Where did you buy fresh peanuts? Part of the store. I remember that. Yeah. Any machines that you remember? Where was the popcorn and what kind of root beer was it in Christie's? Okay. Good question. I know. That's a nice shot of the sight of your head and utter. Now I'll move. Should we just let the tape run on this music here for a while? Are you calling that background music? Give me a break. Yes, sir. Quite a rendition that's being played right now. Just engaging people watching. This is the place to do it. I think we're going to sit here for a minute here, but just maybe we'll just do that. Watch. How the tape in here runs. It's beautiful. That's a much better one than that. Probably, though. It's more about this area than Tom. Except her blooming. Oh, I don't know. Compared to you, I'm a mere puppy. Well, that's not Brian. Let's get right to it. Some trivia questions for our audience here. Stump the Chumps. We're on Church Street between Bank and Cherry Streets. And I hope our cameraman can pan in around the variety. Pan in. Pan in on these various storefronts. Tom, you could name back into the fifties all the existing businesses starting at the corner of Woolworth's proceeding down toward Bank Street on the west side. We could ask our viewers that. What? Right. Yeah, sure. There's a Woolworth building there. There now is a new one compared to the old building. Then there was a, which we discussed before we went on the air store in between with neither of us can remember the name of it. Then the opening to the mall with the old Kresge's later followed by their cheaper line Jupiters. Correct. Now we want you to make it in the form of a question. We don't want to give all. You don't want to give me answers. Okay. We can give them a type of business. Some of these in here. What was the store next to Kresge's? Beautiful. Which you corrected me on. Okay. Further on down here, there used to be some other stores. Well, right next to what is now called the pub. Yeah. Our right was a little magazine store, Collette's. You're giving the answers again, Tom. I'm guilty. Right next to Collette's, there was a flower shop. We want to know the name of the flower shop. Right. On the other side of Collette's, there was a photography store. We want to know the name of that. Right. Kelly's has always been there. And legend has it that the owner was a large gentleman. And that, I don't know, they made some special accommodations for him when he went over to the state theater to view some films. So anybody can leave stories about that. Tom, you have another beautiful story. Apparently. Where was Bailey's located before they moved to Church Street? I didn't know this one. Not at all. There's another one about Mayrums. What was the store that was in Mayrums prior to World War II, before the fashion shop and the follow-on Mayrums? Finally. And this is very subjective. Who is the worst musician that you have heard perform on Church Street in the last five years? Is there any possibility of my getting sued? No, no, no. What particular, not naming the individual, what instrument was being attempted to be played? The flute, I would say. That's the worst one. How about you've heard a lot of stories from individuals roaming through our community. Any one particular person stick out in your memory as being left field the furthest, you think? Oh, I can't think of any at the moment. How about the one that was on right before we went on camera here? No, the gentleman that came down the street. Shook hands with me? What did he say he was? The owner of the New York Times. And you replied? I replied he owns one coffee of the New York Times. That's it. Here we are on a 3rd of July and we see him all. Right here on Church Street. Thanks very much, Tom. Back again, right on time, right on schedule. Beautiful. We're here until about five minutes of seven, if all goes well, but it's up to you folks. We can't stand here talking to each other. We'll be at more than just words in about five minutes. But now I'm going to give you the opportunity of, first of all, plugging your own up and coming programs. I wish I could remember what we called it. Well, what was the first one called? We're doing public service announcements for the fire department and trying to inform the public on what the policies of the fire department. The latest one is why you see a fire track when you call for an ambulance and this whole thing, and sirens in the streets been running for what, a month now and that? I don't know. You don't know. I got a headache from listening to those sirens. I'll tell you that. I wish it would stop and run your second one already. But as soon as I remember what we called the second one, which we'll be showing probably next week. Yeah. I'm getting nervous. You know, the phones aren't ringing. We need questions. Well, you haven't explained this new set design. They haven't even noticed yet. We got hats. We got banal. We got what? You haven't mentioned the new set design here. Oh, spare me. It's so startling. What? It's six minutes old. It's number 17 on the new Russian flag that you're trying to design here. Yeah. Well, if anybody can come up with a country that would use this as their flag, that's worth a couple of cases of banal. I hope these stars keep falling. Don't keep falling off here. Now, for your viewing pleasure, we have had our technical crew. Reba has been responsible for running on crawl some of nostalgia for us. We might give you some inspiration as to frame some questions for us. And we can also turn that around and give some questions to you. You said you had some unanswered questions from the past programs. I also wanted to start. Well, as you probably know, because you were here, the onset of this show, we had very few viewers because we were only on for 15 minutes. Our first show, nobody knew we were on, and we went for a half an hour. But some of our better questions were asked to people when there might have been people watching. Plus, people forget. And we were remiss in not giving all the answers to questions that we may still not. You were remiss. I keep reminding you every month, but no. We don't ever give the answers. So we're going to ask some questions, some of the ones that were never answered. Look at these bright colors of the hats that we want to give away. Beautiful. Because the crack buyer at Mills and Greer, probably the former buyer, stuck them with these colors. But I'm sure that our viewers will love to have these lovely prizes. You took the tags off these. Yes, I did. You did well on the break. So give them some examples of prior questions that were unanswered. I'm sorry, Herb. We have a caller already. Yeah. Hello, you're on the air. Hello. Is that you, Herb? I don't know. That's my mother. Now, what year was that? What years? The time you were born. 1916, something like that. All right, Ma, you want a hat or so? What else do you want? Wait a minute. I want to know where I'm, where was it on Bank Street? It was near the corner of. And did they have listening booths? Another corner from where? Okay. And a little places away from Agrum. Yeah. That was. Now, Herb wants to know if they had listening booths in that, in that, at Bailey's at that time. Did they have the little listening booths where you could listen to the records? Yes, he did. Okay. Oh, before you go now. No? See, I'm going to ask you another one here. Yeah. We were discussing where you could go to make a record. I know during the war you could go to certain places and make a record. But didn't they have little booths where you could go in and, like the, like the photo booths? Yeah, it used to go to USO and make little records. That's what Herb said. Yes. That was also 1942, 1943. Before my time. All right. Thank you for calling. Thanks a lot. Okay. Have we got another one here? No. Of course we do. I'll handle it on the air. Hello, you're on the air. Hello. Yes. You have to stump us with a question of local trivia, or else you can answer one of ours. Which way you want to go for one? You want to answer a question from us? I want to ask you a question. Go ahead. At Battery Park? Yes, sir. How many different lights are there? How many different colors are there in the fountain? I'm sorry, that was my TV. Yeah, can you turn it down a little? Turn it down a little bit. Now, I have to ask, is this before or after you've been smoking? Smoking cigarettes? Well, whatever. I'd say that there are six. Well, like I said, after you're smoking, there are six. Oh, if I'm seeing double vision. Yeah, that's worth an orange hat there. That's one color of hat for you, sir. While we're on Battery Park, you remember the name of the fountain that was out on the breakwater? No idea. You probably don't know how many colors there were on that fountain. That'll be another question to the people out there. What was the name of that fountain, which is now rusting away down there at the Salt Dock? Yeah. And what was its nickname? And also, you know, there's a cannon down there in the park? Yes. How many did there used to be prior to 1942? No, sir. Four? That's it. There were four. And how come there's only one now? No. Well, man, I'll tell you that. Well, yeah, I guess so. Those were heavy. They were taken away during the war, for the war effort, for scrap metal. Oh. See what you learned by listening and watching this show? Stumped jumps. Beautiful thing. Did you give them a hat? Yes, I did. Give them another hat. Another one. Balance off the set. They got it. Well, thank you for calling, sir. Let's go on here. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Well, that's what nickname of it was called, some of it didn't like it. They call it Cairns Folly. Yeah. Yeah. What was the freedom found? What was it called? What the heck was it? Friendship found. Friendship found. Oh, friendship found. Okay. I know it was Cairns. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember Ritz? I've heard of him. Humphreys, yes. And Bailey's Music Room, I remember, was on Church Street. That's the only one I remember. My mother remembers the other one. Man, do you remember the stores that had vacuum containers that took your money and your bill? Went up to the clerk's office. Went up to the clerk and it came back down again? Yes. It was one of them. There were a few others. And the listen pine? Oh, there's one. I didn't know about. Magrum's had one in the early 50s. I don't remember. Well, this was, you know, in the 40s, 50s. Wow. Well, that's, gee, you're an astute listener and caller, man. What would be your choice of color for a hat? Blue. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You give me your choice of hat. You get the banel gear. You get the hospital straight banel. Too many hats. People can't see us. The urinary track and fiction tapes. Here's a, would you happen to know anything about champ? Have you ever cited champ? No. Or nobody has cited champ? No. Do you put any credence into this siting business at all? Well, I'm wondering if there's anything in the like. I'm wondering if there's any of our viewers that might know the name of the local resident. And this lady took a picture and it was purchased by Life Magazine and they ran it in their magazine, supposedly showing a picture of champ in the lake. Oh, I think I remember hearing about that. I don't know what. I'm wondering if anybody remembers that. Okay, thank you. Thank you for calling. Thank you. We've got somebody on too, do we? Yeah. Oh, thanks. Hello, you're on the air. There you go. Yes. Get in the room. What's going on? Well, I just... Oh, that is something. Did you ever have one made or your family ever have one made? No, but my mother and father did. Beautiful. And number two, I saw Fritz Cramery on the overhead there. Yes. I used to have it there. Yeah, I bet you. Dr. Al's family... I know who has it. Yes. Howard Goldberg. That's right. It was his grandfather's store. That is correct. But while I have you on the air, I want you to try to name for me the Jeans store in the early 70s that had two locations in downtown Burlington. One was on what's regarded now as Trader's Way on North Winooski Avenue. Bank sharp row. And then it moved over to where Apple Mountain is now. What was his name and what was the name of that store? Glenn was his first name. That's it. And what was his store? Just Jeans. Just pants. Just pants? Pants plus. Pants plus. Just a minute. Just a minute pants plus. Hold on to your pants. Okay, there's a hat for Glenn. There's a hat for Glenn. Thank you for calling. Yes, sir. Back to another line now. Well, wait a minute. I'm suffering with you tonight. You're on the air. Yeah. Hi. Hi. The money up with Zabernesses. Yes, that's right. How about giving me one on North Street? This is my mother. Don't tell her I know. Okay. Well, now we've got both bases covered. Don't let her know I know. Do you remember, ma'am, a store on North Street that had the same system? I think it had. There couldn't have been too many stores on North Street that could qualify. Was it Maysville? No. No, I don't know. across the road. What about Maysville? Yes. Was that R.J. Reynolds? Absolutely right. Relative or not. Her back's bothering her. Give her the hospital strength banal. Hospital strength banal. Be careful with this. The green bottle. The green bottle. Be careful with this stuff. Now, this sounds like my mother, but it may not be. Okay. If she drinks this, it won't sound like her. I'll tell her that. Yeah, I know. Because you may know this one too. Hospital. Hospital strength banal. Don't push it now. No. The last of the manually operated elevators on Church Street, where you'd go in there and the guy would open the door for you and he'd close the screen and he'd open the other door and the other door and he'd push the buttons and take you up there. You remember where the last ones were? Well, Magrums had one. You spent a lot of time in Magrums, didn't you? What was the name of the operator? Oh, I don't know. I wasn't that friendly with him. What did he call everybody? This is an old question on our final show. I guess so. I think we did this one. No, I don't. The name of the operator, the elevator operator, and the nickname he called everyone that went on the elevator. I don't know. Well, ma'am, you're always a fount of information. No, thank you. Thank you for calling. All right. Bye. Bye. Have we got others? Here we should go. Well, I want to explain something. On our very first show. Yeah. 15 minutes. It seems like an hour. The biggest stopper. Now, it may be my mother, but this wasn't an inside deal. There was a question when we ran the camera outside the window. Yeah. And I'm sure that our lovely camera person now could kind of pan out the window there. Getting a view of the north door. Next door, that building there housed three different organizations at the same time under the same phone number back in the early 60s, late 50s. What were those organizations? What were those? My mother called up and had them just like that. She can't call again. She can't call again. She cheated before. But at that location, there was three different organizations going on at the same time under the same phone number in the book. You know, a true story, I guess, is when this studio first started and the camera panning out the window, people in the whole area here thought this was some kind of an FBI observation operation. Well, all right. Is that true, Nat? Hello, Nat. This is the flag. Isn't that true? I don't know. You don't know. We've come a long ways. Nat wears shoes and everything now. All right. We're going again. Hello? Yeah. I just asked him. I know. I got it right now. Okay. Go ahead. Can you turn your TV down a little bit? Sure. This fella lives in the Old North and I can tell. Hey, you got it, buddy. Yeah, because I can hear his TV. All right. You know, I have three buzzers. What's that? Cheese stuff. The cheese stuff. Van Alg. What's that? Van Alg. It's the all-purpose lotion. The hospital strength. If you rub some on your head, you may be able to come up with a correct answer. It's the all-purpose lotion. It says for arthritic pain. Seriously? Yeah. All right. Here you go. There it is. All right, Gully. You asked for it. You got it. Cheese. Yeah. Well, this is pop-up. Those aren't the answers we were looking for. This is like in the late 50s, early 60s. Oh, I like that old man. Cheese. I have no idea. I thought this guy was right on and... You wish, man. Yeah. You're looking to come down there and take care of you, man. All right. Next, Al, please. Thanks a lot. Here. Yep. Got a question for Herb. Beautiful. Yeah, I can't answer those questions you just had, but I got a question for Herb. Good. Oak Creek. Yeah. Called the Fresh Ground Coffee House. Correct. And they offered a luncheon special that was named after a rolling soup, a sandwich, and an apple, and a beverage. I have it, sir. What's that? It's called the Beggar's Banquet. There you go. And by the way, that's a great haircut you have. Hey, thank you very much. So you can thank the good folks of Metropolitan Hair for that. Right in the old Abernethy's building. And we want to know what was in that space. Wait a minute. I want to thank my wife for this haircut, which I got right after the dog got his the other night. Okay. Thank you very much for calling, sir. Excellent. All right. You don't think of me at all, you know what? Because I've got a little hair problem here. You just want your own way. Never mind the personality, sir. If you want questions, I want to know a starting lineup for the old Merola All-Star team. Ooh, the amazing Merola. Right. But I want to know a starting lineup that played two consecutive games with the guys at the same positions and batting in the same order. Can't be done. Can't be done is correct. I challenge anybody because that club never had, they had the most revolving roster I have ever seen. Can't be done. It's like, not even... But if somebody could come up with some standard names of the amazing Merola All-Star participants, they're going to win a small surprise here. Rolling tape, there you go. You've got a question. I do. I got a phone call. Yeah. You saved by the phone call. No, I don't have a phone call. Yeah, go ahead. Line one. All right. I'll do that. Hello, you're on the air. Okay. It's kind of a double stumper. Double stumper. Eastern Massachusetts, I'll tell you that. All right, go ahead. All right. We're the old ski rack. Boy. A lot of watering holes down there. That's what I'm talking about. Which one was it? On the corner, was it called the VALS? No, no, no. Our brain's our program for less than 10 years ago. We go way back. We can't go yesterday. You guys are just too old. Give us the answer, though. The front and the outback. Okay. All right, now, I'll go back farther. I'll go back farther. Yeah? You ready? In that same space you're talking? Yeah, well, right before the front and the outback. See, we didn't, we never went there. That was after our drinking days here, Al. So this fellow's, Yes. Our drinking days. Give it, That guy still gets wasted. I know it. What was the name of it? Clancy's. Clancy's. Man, the place has come and gone so quickly. You didn't know it. I stopped you. You did? You did, my friend. You got yourself a nice hat. A green one. A green hat. The color, Nils and Greers are still selling olds. They wouldn't give it to me. That color is still in. I can put some banalga on this black one. It probably will turn it green. What is that crap? Excuse me, sir. That's good stuff. This is top of the line. Just don't drink much of it. It's a lotion, a rubbing lotion. It's good for whatever. What is it? Do you like it? It's liquid. Quiet herb. You're getting your foot in here. You're not listening to what he's asking you. Okay. All right, let's go. Nothing? Nothing. Questions. Wow. I asked you one today. Of course, you knew the answers. What? Your folk store on Champlain Street. We all know where it is and everything. It went under. I told you not to. I want to know the names of all those old stores. I'm doing this one first, okay? I told you not to, but go ahead. Herb's father's store had a name on the glass in the front and not on the sign. It also had its real name and it also went by a total of the name. Never had the real name. It never had the real name, but there were three names. In actuality, there were three names. I want to know what those are. You wanted to go up and down the streets there with the... Well, we all know all the grocery stores and they're flipping around here. There's some clues here. One of the ones, well, we got a bunch of them on Champlain Street and stuff, but nobody ever got the one that was on Manhattan Drive or North Bend Street, as it was called then, around the corner from Champlain Street. You were tucked away there and nobody ever got the answer to that one. You know, I want to go back to another more modern question. There are two... I asked the one on the tape who is the meanest postal clerk in the old... Well, the new post office in the old one. You're messing with the federal government now. I don't care when messing with... Those guys mess with me every day I go over there and I refuse to go to one that's at that current federal building and he knows it and I'm not alone. And I want to know your opinion, folks, who is the meanest mail clerk over there at one of those desks and who had the record when the post office used to be on Main Street. You already asked that. Yes, I haven't got the answer. The phone's ringing. We want some answers to those questions. Can you get us a soap box out there? Uh... Answer on the air. Hello, you're on the air. Yep, the guy at the post office is this bald guy with the beard. You got it. And I wish somebody else would get him and get him away from dealing with the public. The guy has no common sense of dealing with a John Q. public. That's right. Now... The union man. Nobody does it to you. I don't want to see if there are other people who agree or have some other nomination. Have you called before, sir? I think the voice is familiar. Yeah, we talked about this before today. Yes, indeed we did. Well, thank you for listening and calling, and now we want to hear what others have to say about that postal question. Thanks. Thank you. I don't believe it. I want to know... Johnny Carson never goes through this, you know. Hunts, you know. Everybody knows Hunts was right before Shana. What was it called before? Okay. Now we're going back. Let's pry the old memory. Do you folks happen to know that there was a one-time Jaguar dealership in Burlington? Not in the North end. Well, it was in Central City. Who owned the only Jaguar dealership in Burlington at one time? It wasn't there for very long. Who was the first Burlington alder woman? Who became Burlington's first elected alder woman? There's one. And I want to know... Everybody knows Beanzy's Bus. Oh, he's calling. Time call. Fireman on call. He's been told I have to wear this thing on the set, but he refuses... I know. Merch is not a mercy call. Okay, you guys, we can relax now. We're staying with the program. Are they setting out for pizza? Hey, Herb, we only got a two-man operation up there. Get the phone. I got a leer jet that waits for me to... Oh, back to Battery Park. Everybody knows Beanzy's Bus. What's the real name you ever called it then? And Tom Crosby, wait for all the slew of Battery Park questions that I throw out before you call in. Hello, you're on the air. Yeah, before Hunts, it was called the Opry. Absolutely right. Have you ever been in there, sir? Yeah, I did. Well, it was a nice place. Yeah, it was sort of like Hunts, but it was... it goes back what, 10, 15 years ago. Oh, yeah. Anyway, and I remember they had a group came up from Wheeling, West Virginia, that touring bluegrass Doc Williams. That's the one. Doc Williams, he looked... he was 80, but with that toupee he had on, it made him look like, you know... He was 80, 40 years ago. Yeah. He was born old. And they had foosball tables in there. Right. When it was the rage, and they had the first large screen TV set in the back, didn't they? Yeah, well, I remember there was a back room where the foosball tables were in the back of what the stage was. I watched a lot of close circuit, but it was one of Ali's fights. Ali fought Jimmy Young. Remember that fight that was highly disputed? Jimmy Young really won that fight. He got the shaft on that fight. How many fights did you see live in there? By the way, sir, here's a neat little boxing question. Okay. Who was the recipient of the fastest knockout in Golden Glove history in Vermont? Controversial herb. He was on his back in the shortest amount of time. When was it? This is mid 50s, mid to late 50s. That was before my time. Okay, let's throw that out there. Throw that out there, but this controversy will hurt because one of the guys at the party department is going to call up and say, no, you're wrong. That's all right. It's subject to a debate, but we got a nice blue cap for the gentleman that just called. Oh, great. Thank you. Thanks for calling. Hello. You're on the air. Hi, Herb. Hello. Passes. Ivor used to be North Bend Street. What would that be the answer to? The Mar-3? That was a question from a long time ago. You must be receiving our program telepathically. I just asked the question, you, who's sitting here. And what happened to Herb and Al, by the way? I don't know. Hello, Herb. Well, you get calls and I'm on. Nobody sees me here. No, that is right. Tash's Market. Thank you very much. And the guy would always walk the streets there. I never know his name. He's still around. You'll see him down by Ponderosa. I think he works in the associated motel near the Ponderosa. Big rim glasses. Yeah, I still see him down there. Ma'am, I got a question for you. Battery Park. Are you still there? I think she hung up. I got Battery Park questions. You know the entrance by Park Street or where I'm going across the end of Pearl Street. There's a large entrance and it has these big stone things, the two big stone things. There used to be objects on top of those stone entrances. What were on top of those stone entrances? They were removed. And then there's this huge boulder that's there by the entrance. Also, it has a plaque on it. Where did that boulder come from? It wasn't there all the time. It was moved there. Were the answer to that, the two thing, was that me, your ear, heart and Elvis statues side by side? No. Would you just try to answer the phone? That's hard enough for you. Hello, you're on the air. I have a question for Al. Yes? Are you married? No. Is that you calling Reba over there? No. No, Reba. I was when I left home. You are? Yeah. See? Can you be embarrassed on live TV, Herb? You're blushing like crazy. You're matching the color of that brim. Well, thank you. You're welcome. Bye. Bye-bye. Are you sure we want to get offered two months here, Herb? You don't want over there. We got like two? Hello, you're on the air. Al. Yeah. Hey, it's me again. Yeah. Was it the cannons or the cannons? They were not cannons. I would be impossible to kick cannons, but it's associated with that. You're in the ballpark. Cannonballs? That's correct. There we go. I got two ads now. Yes, yes. We're going off to give them another one of them lousy ones there. Well, you're sick of this orange color. There you go. All right, thanks. Thank you. Al, I think your diet's working for you, too. Thanks. Let's see. We got a call from Middlebury's. Middlebury. The staff says we better get on this. Oh, that's a collect call, too. Oh, no. I wouldn't doubt it. It's the mouth of the he was supposed to be our guest host today. Stiffness. But I said I would make an extra effort. I've got a whole handful of change here. Yeah. I want to know, I got a question for Al. I want to know how much he paid that girl to call it and say those nice things about it. I'd like to know also. I never get calls like that. Never one of these urinary tract tapes? You didn't give her anything. Incontinence. That was a setup. I know it was a setup. I got a question. I discussed this with Al. Yeah. But anyone embarrassed you because you were the only one in our group that couldn't reach the fence? I was the only guy that used to go up. It took us three hours. We played Buntball all the way to Roosevelt Park. It took us three hours to get there. It was the only guy that took three hours to get to Roosevelt Park and the only guy that couldn't hit the fence. I don't know why I played the game. He played off the grass is what he played. You graduated to become probably the most renowned softball manager in this area. And in an outtake of getting an opening tape, I asked George Rowland to explain why you were considered probably the most ferocious of the most obnoxious. Yes, obnoxious was the term used. Manager in the history of Continental League. And George told a story that you once went on the field and saw that there was a black umpire there. It's kind of unusual in this area. And you remarked to George, you know, I don't think I've ever been thrown out by a black umpire. And you proceeded to get yourself heaved out of that game in no time flat. Is that correct? Well, I've been thrown out by the best. Well, and the worst, big trains helps. He wouldn't throw me out. It's the only one that wouldn't throw me out. Yeah. Patient man. Well, I gotta tell you guys, you've done a tremendous job over the year with that show. And you deserve all the accolades you're getting. You've done one tremendous job. And I'm impressed with the show. Well, thank you. Super tongue devil, isn't he? The dinner you promised me for saying that. The mouth of the South. Calling all the way from Middlebury. And I think he's light to us. I think he's home watching it and didn't want to come on the show. Hello, you're on the air. Yes. This is for both of you, actually. Herb. Yes. Was that Pat Navotny? Absolutely right. You know, you can't stop Al. This Al here is top notch. Go ahead. How is there like that? The other thing I want to ask both of you is there was a junkyard that was owned down the southern part of the south part of the city. Right. The lake. Yeah. Matt Snell. Right. Boy, oh boy. We can't stump you. Yeah, but Al. Wait, didn't he play for the Jets? Al, I got more for you too. Darn it. You're such a good contestant with us. Hang in here. Give us. I asked your wife this, so it's really not fair. Letty Park was so named in 1972, but there had been some public sentiment in 1971 to name it something else. Are you familiar with what it was almost called? Well, the only guess I could take to that would be for that would be Karenko Park. No, that would be logical since that was their land. Yeah. The answer that I had, I think, I don't think anybody would know this. It was almost called Wabanaki. Wabanaki, which in Abinaki, Indian language means Thanksgiving. And for some reason it was almost called Wabanaki. Well, there was a Wabanaki golf course. Right. You know, down at Shelburne Road. Here's one for you, Al. Last one I'll try F-Court. That's Burlington or Vermont Bank that opened up a branch office. And where was that branch office located? Oh, boy. That's a tough one. Yeah. It's in the confines of Burlington. And that's a good question. I'll have to pass on that. I might guess that that would be the Howard National Bank. But I'm not sure. No, that is not one. And finally, Al, let's ask you this one. Who is a local gentleman who wrote lyrics, I think the lyrics to a song that was recorded by Perry Como? I would think that would Bernard Zeitz. Right. Bernie Zeitz. Does anybody know the song that Perry Como recorded that had Bernie Zeitz's lyrics? That would be interesting to know. I'll have to pass on that one. He wrote many songs. Yes, he did. Very talented gentleman. Absolutely. Good. Alan, you did very well. And I think we're going to reward you this time. How about the candy drops here? Candy drops. They're back in short. And also the light blue and white hat. The candy drops sound great. And I'll appreciate the hat. You guys have a great show. Thank you, Al. You're going to add this rubber frog here, but we only got one left. His wife doesn't let him get out of the house much. I'll take a guess on the bank. I'll say the Burlington Savings Bank program. You're right. You're absolutely right. The year was 1955 when that branch opened. Yeah. And that's enough, Al. Your wife and me are out of questions. Go to it. Thank you. See ya. Bye-bye. We got to ask this question, Herb, because it's our favorite two questions before it, so people can still call it. Yeah. You want to ask the garbage truck question? Well, that was a great question, but it's their favorite, Herb. Well, that's my favorite question. That's how this program got started, and we're talking about a couple of guys bouncing around the idea of perhaps having a game board after this same type of local trivia. So the most interesting question that I could come up with was to name the nicknames of the two fellas that rode in back of the rubbish pickup truck that roamed around the Old North and specifically back in the 40s and early 50s. Give me the two nicknames of those fellas that were in the back of the rubbish pickup truck. That's a good question. And the other favorite one, and you have to think about this one now, when you went to a parade anywhere in Burlington, how did you positively absolutely know that the parade was over? Without a doubt. There was something that without a doubt told you that the parade was over. Okay, we're going back to the phones. Hello, you're on the ear. Hi. I used to live on North End for 18 years. My parents lived down there. There were two of them. There was Blair's that I know from the North End. There was a city sanitation department. Well, I'm talking of neither of those, actually. This one was Snyder's. Oh, okay. Snyder's rubbish truck. But do you remember the Old North End there used to be a garbage truck? Mm-hmm. That used to go around. And Joe, I've got to think, I keep forgetting Joe's last name, who rode on the garbage truck. I think I'm right. When they had the pales on it. Yeah, you're right. Right? Yeah, there was another oldish man, too. Well, see, these two fellows that rode the back of the truck I'm talking about, we as young kids would yell at them and they would get very angry and would start to yell at us. And it was a game that we played. Yeah. We were looking for the two very distinct, if you pardon the pun, hold it a second. Those I don't know because I was born in 1950. But I do know that you came up with two other rubbish pickup people. Right. Okay. One was the player and the other one was a garbage truck. Just picked up garbage. Well, ma'am, here's another associated question. Before it becomes garbage, we have to have food sometimes. Now, do you remember the name of the traveling grocery store? This has been asked a couple of times. Yeah, one of our first questions. Yeah, the yum yum truck? Yum yum? No. No, okay. He had a permanent market, but he also brought a traveling market. Okay, I know where that was and the only one I could think of was Salman, but he was an old man. Yeah, he had a very a way on his truck. He used to stop and he used to have a scale on it. That's right. Onnings on both sides that he lift up. Yes. Yeah, I can't think he was, I think he was Oh yeah, I think so. Was he? Yeah, I think so. Okay, but tomatoes on that thing? Yeah, cucumbers and the whole bit. Ma'am, we've got a lovely hat for your participation. We thank you very much for calling. Okay, thank you. Bye bye. That was actually one of our first questions. Yeah. And somebody got it right off the bat and we were reminding with the mouth of the south call there reminded us that we'd give one of our group a nickel to go buy a tomato and we steal 50 cents worth of apples on the other side on the other side. Yeah, that's right. That's actually you got almost a reverse order there. Yeah. And it was you know storage at your market. She's knocking off our questions like she hasn't got the parade question though. Oh, what was the kissy and skim milk last names? Kissy Allen and I don't know what skim milk same one. We're still open then. I don't know we going down to the south then I can't let this one go by. We used to go down to play ball down to South Park and I would hear a very lovely voice crooning out there. I always say who was that? I see a guy a young guy glasses and a and a work type hat on. He was crooning. I want to know his nickname and his real last name and our producer here as a insert here at South Park he filled in everybody filled in I was in holes like this and I hate Grotowski I'll never forget was playing second base and I was playing with suit and tie first base he threw a ball of me I had to catch it or else I would have drilled a hole right between my eyes. I remember car riding into first base and coming up with this white there's a good name a part time participant with Joe Schiavelli Schiavelli that's right thank you very much thank you you got fans remembering your softball career which is a pretty hard thing to do thanks a lot hello you're on the air hello Mr. Eno was traveling she's doing it again I hate to be hello hello but one call per show other rules one call per show the producer with Mr. Eno now let somebody else participate they're laughing at me for this having to happen again let's solve some more questions out okay gotta go more questions hold it I was watching the monitor here and I'm watching and all they said I got my girth from Al's French I want to show you they're not lying and as a next manager of Al's French Al's Ice Cream softball there you have it right there I'm responsible for those I know you are okay we're going you're going to ask another question or can I answer the phone answer the phone thank you very much yeah they're gone away you lost them hello yes buddy Hayes you're right you're absolutely right now what did he always say when you started to get on his case he would always do a distinctive thing you have a good answer for you right off the bat do you remember what he would do well you would growl yeah but he would always show you his badge his brother is a sheriff and you don't mess with him because he'll put you in a clink and it was true I guess his brother was this sheriff Hayes but you're correct is this Hoyshala my darling huh I thought this was Hoyshala but maybe on the snake end have you got any questions for us yeah herb what was okay the actual house it's Hoyshala okay I have the Ethan Allen homestead actual house what was it before they restored it man what was it I remember it as a farmhouse it was just a decrepit house it wasn't decrepit no people used to live there I don't know you mean somebody looking for the owner of it or what was used for well it was a duplex man I didn't know that I do know here's another good question I think the address is like 34 Blodgett street right near the corner of Blodgett and north there's a straight house that's been rehab but it was moved from its original location where was that house originally butter you're right right they're doing high fives and everything there boy you get a hat for that one that was on the breakwater now that house the history on that was it was supposed to have been moved to Buffalo New York now how anybody can make a mistake of delivering the house not the Buffalo New York the Blodgett street in Burlington one lake is as good as another one I guess well thank you very much for calling those questions we appreciate it thank you hello you're on the air I think I got the answer to the question about how you knew the parade was over be careful this is a tricky one I think it was because Georgie Boutin would come along with a fire hat on at the end nice pass you're in the ballpark you got the right idea nice try Georgie used to be kind of directing the traffic for the parade he wasn't the reason why the mean policeman on the motorcycle that used to take great joy and coming near us little kids that were just sitting on the stoop there along the parade route trying to take our feet off he'd try to go over our feet who was that fellow on the motorcycle I don't know who it was you're older than I am you're before my time somebody told me remember that the same person who was the last Harley tricycle same one officer in the city of Brooklyn same one I'm surprised nobody's come up like hey I know who that is it's my father well this color is a good one but now for the one that came up with Georgie Boutette that's close it was close but not the right answer but he could have got a hospital straight if he was a little true thank you okay thank you hello you're on the air yes I got a question to ask you you know the street the house that you just said that it's 22 lodges I grew up at the house is that right no more 34 it's close yeah ma'am are there any haunted houses in Burlington that you're familiar with or anything that you know somebody said the house was haunted yeah it was I had nightmares in it no kidding oh yeah I grew up in it my parents grew up my mother grew up in it and then I guess my grandparents gave it to my parents for anniversary present or wedding present or something and I grew up in the house and my parents sold it about probably seven yeah that's not yeah isn't that something it's a small world well a viewer who has lived in the house that we give a question out on and she gave me at least the right address too you got the right city anyways well ma'am thank you for calling and that's worthy of a hat from the old Stump the Chumpers here okay thank you yes bye bye hello you're on the air I've got the answer to the parade question it was Bernie Lovejoy right just like what's up with Ladoo you're right Ladoo's out there right now watching cartoons instead of watching our show I bet you he's not on duty today did he get your toes at all man he came close to me a couple of times no mean to do that you know mean about everything I've got to come up with some new questions this is a review if you'd want to show at the beginning you'd realize that we're doing a year in review you are one of the butch actually answered one of our first questions what was the first question you answered the very first show about Bernie Lovejoy on Church Street what was the name of the fire station on Church Street I don't know I've answered so many here we go sounds like it's where's Sager's Market where was Sager's Market in the old north end yeah it was originally where Kaladies is no he'll lie anyway well there was another one at the top of of of Interveil Avenue that's it okay he's going to lie because he grew up with Burdell too he grew up with Aaron Burlington here's one shot I want to know the names of three Burlington lads that went on to play basketball at St. Michael's College played basketball at St. Mike's three only three three that I can think of maybe there's a fourth here you can't ask him a basketball question he's only about this tall well he's only about five one maybe hey all Sager he's asking with his sneakers on we'll ask him what he can answer here hey I want my hat well he wants you have a question yeah I got one here for now he wouldn't know that he never played the guitar I want to know who gave free guitar lessons at the boys club good question huh what was the first x-rated movie in Burlington no no no no no no no way before that and the reason given for closing the theater down that's a beautiful thing now you think back on that one there okay if I get the answer I'll call you back the third department's on the job not right this moment but they're at least are watching you know back in the 20s hold on back in the 20s this was what are all these things that go across the tablet screen what's the significance of all that the significance is to try to jar the memories of Burlingtonians in terms of old places people things in Burlington and so maybe they can come up with questions and give us their thoughts that's what a harassing producer looks with his shoes on it's also because we're not considerate enough to give us any other graphics so I contributed this this morning what yes now we got a fight going that gate next hey anyway back in the 20s this was a real booming industrial center and we had the union station down there railroad station I want to know the total number of trains daily freight and passenger that arrived and left from Burlington's union station here is that so hello you're on the air hey Al yeah for members only bingo head rider and queen city bus wait wait wait motorcycle guy the red rider we had the red rider and a green hornet we used to call him yeah what was the real name oh god I don't remember that oh god it's cool it's cool it's cool oh god I don't remember that oh god it's close where are you going to have a lake side night no wait a minute wait a minute you got how many questions did you answer I had queen city bus the members only is right queen city bus for beanies queen city bus what's the specialty oh hot bird what sliders ala ala burgers I don't know okay we'll leave that one open they had a specialty which nobody ever buys there either by the way I might I could have a good reason I might have where are you going to have the lake side night oh we're coming to that lake side is going to be we're going to take a two month summer one maybe well maybe one maybe none but when we come back we're going to do lake side I'm trying to do a contingent of people down there so we can is this another guy about five foot one where's the suit a lot a little taller these are sweep up lettuce sweep up used to pump gas at rick sonoko until the explosion see we need questions from you we need questions my question is for lake side let me just give a little history with that for members only is that the name of it he could have easily snuck in because he was only about three foot tall they had two federal guys they had two federal guys that came in and watched the show watched the whole show I might add and then closed the theater down and this is a reason hey sir don't leave that easily you gotta come in here come in for your hat you gotta come in and participate you gotta come in and win those right guy not loud the reason they gave for closing down the theater was that it was too close to existing schools and churches and that be the truth that's why they did it that was at the state theater that's correct absolutely correct what was the it was about as X rated as it was a cartoon now it would be rated the PG now how many times did you see it george hey herb I wanna tell you one thing the only reason you have a partner is from my fantastic brandy me into a tree one time well shucks you mean I was almost able to go out alone here then huh you were gone I'll call you back on lakeside night guys okay george thanks we have someone gentlemen that came and pick up us at really we'd appreciate you participating just a simple just a question can we try one on one you got a hat we promise you two more hats two more hats if you answer a question for us you aren't how much time have we got by the way I don't know completely unrehearsed hi I'm herb how you doing we got about two guys brian cling brian's and I saw the picture the most recent picture you contributed last week here's one for you right next to where your father's business was was another business what was it called you mean the hood garage no in between you see your father's business was frailex right set back now right next to it was another little building in front now a house little house right next to it same side of the street same side of the street jeez I don't remember this when was that this was all forties and fifties early fifties um let me tell you a story you got that old here you only got about a minute and a half you know time flies it was a little delicatessen that was mince's delicatessen okay before frailex they had a deli there well you're right frailex was originally in front right then it moved to the back okay but it's not very I misled you it was a very same side maybe um but we appreciate how about I got a little more college here too here but we appreciate you're wonderful to participate with us it's good of you to come in here am I kicked off now no you can stay right here maybe you can answer a question they throw at us yeah hold on hello you're on here what year did John Coltrane die oh you know your jazz is this David Beckett oh stop that okay 1967 which horns did you play which horns saxophone of course which sir collar which famous jazz artist appeared on the 4th of July at Bayside well in the 40s that was a late Louis Armstrong the 4th of July was his birthday and he appeared at the Bayside never heard of it actually interest no I wasn't maybe a lie that was a story told to me it was a good story anyway actually you know they've recently discovered that the 4th of July was not actually Armstrong's birthday although that legend persists for and has for you know 50 years yep well it has well it is a good story alright any other questions any other anybody holding on a line for that no we got the producers holding up or other line there information that could be food for thought food for thought alright thanks for calling we're gonna wrap this show up but we really appreciate you joining us and maybe in a future show you can come in and gather some questions for us we appreciate it he botched his first question anyway okay look it folks this is gonna wrap it up for the July edition of our show we are taking a one month hiatus we're not going to be here next month we're going to and you can enjoy the other programming supplied by channel 17 so for her and out and our guest Mr. Kling we want to thank all of you for joining us on the July version of stuff to jumps and we'll see you in September that's the name of the song we're still we almost timed it right